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GLOCK & SUTIL SUFFER A 5 PLACE DROP DUE TO MECHANICAL CHANGES & LUIZZI DAMAGES HIS CAR IN Q1 .....
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Report Mike0002 July 25, 2010 1:32 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh go massa dont let him pass
Report oohah July 25, 2010 1:32 PM BST
alonso on radio i think shouting this is ridiculous
Report euroscooby July 25, 2010 1:48 PM BST
Alonso closing :)
Report betchat July 25, 2010 1:51 PM BST
Alonso must have been told to back up Vettel for the time being cause Massa has increased the gap.
Report tiny dave July 25, 2010 1:56 PM BST
gap within 1.2secs now
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:06 PM BST
do you undewrstand that message

I DO GETONALONSO
Report Dylan1975 July 25, 2010 2:06 PM BST
Alonso about to be let through!!
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 2:06 PM BST
Massa's radio is broke [;)]
Report xGURKx July 25, 2010 2:07 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

What a joke! Free money
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 2:07 PM BST
Sad
Report Mike0002 July 25, 2010 2:08 PM BST
LOL  will get a penalty
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 2:08 PM BST
so is his throttle Plain
Report SoC731 July 25, 2010 2:08 PM BST
That's unreal [:(]
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:08 PM BST
HOPE WE ALL GOT ON LADS
1.1 now
Report tenjacksuited July 25, 2010 2:09 PM BST
SICK.
Report The real Moaner July 25, 2010 2:09 PM BST
That is an absoloute disgrace.
Report jimk July 25, 2010 2:09 PM BST
surely this is classed as race fixing.

i was on alonso btw.
Report Mike0002 July 25, 2010 2:09 PM BST
maybe not but i thought this is forbidden
Report Don No1 July 25, 2010 2:10 PM BST
Sick, could have been a classic, instead its ****
Report tenjacksuited July 25, 2010 2:10 PM BST
Will all bets stand?
Report Hajrá Ferencváros! July 25, 2010 2:11 PM BST
of course, podium result stands..
Report tenjacksuited July 25, 2010 2:11 PM BST
Will never strike a wager on this "sport" again.
Report The real Moaner July 25, 2010 2:13 PM BST
Massa to turn round and fastest lap?
Report The Kitten July 25, 2010 2:13 PM BST
They don't do stuff like that in the Big Brother house!
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:16 PM BST
why do you,s think massa was as big a price,
because there was always the danger of this happening
Report JSHW July 25, 2010 2:17 PM BST
Black flag Alonso and it will never happen again
Report Buell Mule July 25, 2010 2:18 PM BST
Quite clearly a team order... proving that is another thing tho. It's funny on the football forum when Argentina handballed on the line that was quite acceptable apparently and yet this is a disgrace ?!? Certain amount of double standards from some folks.
Report Don No1 July 25, 2010 2:18 PM BST
I profited nicely from that but it's such a shame
Report betchat July 25, 2010 2:19 PM BST
There just might be an enquiry like the one that famously deprived Hamilton of one of his victories a couple or so seasons ago.  It took ages to resolve.

I've laid of a bit of Alonso accordingly.

Team orders like that apparently not being allowed and all and it could affect championship points in the end.
Report Angela Rebecchi July 25, 2010 2:19 PM BST
Why was the market so slow to react? Usually too slow on F1 but got several wedges on. The second he said 'Do you understand that?' was 99% sure that was the wink wink nudge comment. Got some big lays now under 1.1 for an all green book just in case. Don't usually trade F1 but that was a god send. Lots of chunks left up too.
Report Angela Rebecchi July 25, 2010 2:20 PM BST
Pathetic part of the sport though. Thought teams were DQ for such orders, and there was no ambiguity there as an amateur at F1 like me was willing to shove wedges on on the back of that.
Report Buell Mule July 25, 2010 2:20 PM BST
I'd agree with oohah got to factor in who is a team 'number 2' when backing a driver
Report JSHW July 25, 2010 2:21 PM BST
I am sure Betfair settle bets on the podium so any further
stewards enquiries will not change the result
Report Angela Rebecchi July 25, 2010 2:21 PM BST
fwiw betchat:

This market will be settled based on the result at the time of the podium presentation.

Any change will be done well after the race, the podium will be as it stands bud.
Report big aitch July 25, 2010 2:23 PM BST
I will never get involved betting wise with F1 again, they seem to be strict on measurements of cars, but let the teams pick who wins
Report GreytViking July 25, 2010 2:23 PM BST
This is a show lige big brother...get used to it
Report betchat July 25, 2010 2:24 PM BST
That's true that's the Betfair rules (most likely as a result of the Hamilton race I mentioned) and that's very likely the conclusion but I'm not prepared to risk much money on it.
Report Buell Mule July 25, 2010 2:24 PM BST
I managed to lump on a fair bit but not as much as I 'd hoped to !!!! Market did seem slow to act... Do I understand right then that regardless of any enquiry Betfair will settle on the podium result today as it stands ?
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:24 PM BST
its obvious whats went on and i feel sorry for any losses and losers on this,hope you,s get it back some way or another lads
Report betchat July 25, 2010 2:25 PM BST
And then there's the point that they can hold an enquiry during the race that no one knows is happening.
Report The Kitten July 25, 2010 2:25 PM BST
Alonso will not be allowed to nominate next week.

And he's shagging Schumacher.
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 2:26 PM BST
Pedro de la Rosa backed for fastest lap .....
Report Angela Rebecchi July 25, 2010 2:27 PM BST
You called it well before it happened oohaah. Good work bud.
Report Buell Mule July 25, 2010 2:27 PM BST
Thanks for the clarification on the podium issue folks.
Report joe39 July 25, 2010 2:29 PM BST
Felipe Massa team radio...
"OK. So. Fernando is FASTER than YOU. Can you confirm you UNDERSTOOD that message?"

BBC
Jonathan Legard "I think we understand that message, don't we?"
Martin Brundle "Indeed we do".

Sad
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:29 PM BST
cheers angela,maybe im psychic[smiley:crazy]
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:30 PM BST
more like PSYCHOTICLaugh
Report Angela Rebecchi July 25, 2010 2:30 PM BST
Wonder if Massa had put in some slower laps off his own accord if the order hadn't come in? Surely they are prepped for this without having to send in the team orders?
Report Angela Rebecchi July 25, 2010 2:31 PM BST
Was an awesome shout. You got the coded message well before Massa. Top shout.
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 2:32 PM BST
Sad
Report Hajrá Ferencváros! July 25, 2010 2:33 PM BST
Vettel fastest lap, haha
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 2:35 PM BST
BEST PRICES

10.50     Alonso win          £6
50.00    Vettel fastest lap     £10
Report betchat July 25, 2010 2:35 PM BST
According to Ferrari Massa was "magnanimous".  It's all a bit obvious.
Report STEPTOES YARD July 25, 2010 2:36 PM BST
poor stuff but par for the course with f1
Report Mike0002 July 25, 2010 2:38 PM BST
settled
Report betchat July 25, 2010 2:38 PM BST
It'll be interesting to see what they say during the interview.
Report oohah July 25, 2010 2:39 PM BST
Massa seething and no wonder
Report Help2 July 25, 2010 2:39 PM BST
alonso is the only one in the race against the red bulls and mclaren, so obvious he won.
Report The Kitten July 25, 2010 2:39 PM BST
SETTLED.

Cheating bastards.
Report SamH_123 July 25, 2010 2:41 PM BST
is that the least happiest podium ever?
Report enjoy cocaine July 25, 2010 2:52 PM BST
everything for sale in this world [;)]
Report Green Board July 25, 2010 2:54 PM BST
No - there were some less happy one's between Schumacher and Barrichello. Difference is that any team order back then was perfectly within the rules.
Report betchat July 25, 2010 2:56 PM BST
Indeed a very very uncomfortable interview. 

It's f1 of course and a lot of the time not all-in pure racing and that really detracts from the spectacle of any "sport".
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 3:03 PM BST
THEY ARE ALL LYING THEIR 4RSES OFF Laugh
Report big aitch July 25, 2010 3:05 PM BST
why don't those idiots at Ferrari just keep quiet, they are in a big hole and won't stop digging
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 3:06 PM BST
- 25 Jul 2010
FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2010
Provisional Results
Pos    No    Driver    Team    Laps    Time/Retired    Grid    Pts
1    8    Fernando Alonso    Ferrari    67    Winner    2    25
2    7    Felipe Massa    Ferrari    67    +4.1 secs    3    18
3    5    Sebastian Vettel    RBR-Renault    67    +5.1 secs    1    15
4    2    Lewis Hamilton    McLaren-Mercedes    67    +26.8 secs    6    12
5    1    Jenson Button    McLaren-Mercedes    67    +29.4 secs    5    10
6    6    Mark Webber    RBR-Renault    67    +43.6 secs    4    8
7    11    Robert Kubica    Renault    66    +1 Lap    7    6
8    4    Nico Rosberg    Mercedes GP    66    +1 Lap    9    4
9    3    Michael Schumacher    Mercedes GP    66    +1 Lap    11    2
10    12    Vitaly Petrov    Renault    66    +1 Lap    13    1


11    23    Kamui Kobayashi    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    66    +1 Lap    12   
12    9    Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth    66    +1 Lap    8   
13    10    Nico Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth    66    +1 Lap    10   
14    22    Pedro de la Rosa    BMW Sauber-Ferrari    66    +1 Lap    14   
15    17    Jaime Alguersuari    STR-Ferrari    66    +1 Lap    15   
16    15    Vitantonio Liuzzi    Force India-Mercedes    65    +2 Laps    21   
17    14    Adrian Sutil    Force India-Mercedes    65    +2 Laps    19   
18    24    Timo Glock    Virgin-Cosworth    64    +3 Laps    23   
19    21    Bruno Senna    HRT-Cosworth    63    +4 Laps    20   
Ret    19    Heikki Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth    56    +11 Laps    18   
Ret    25    Lucas di Grassi    Virgin-Cosworth    50    +17 Laps    24   
Ret    20    Sakon Yamamoto    HRT-Cosworth    19    +48 Laps    22   
Ret    18    Jarno Trulli    Lotus-Cosworth    3    +64 Laps    17   
Ret    16    Sebastien Buemi    STR-Ferrari    1    +66 Laps    16
Report betchat July 25, 2010 3:10 PM BST
Schu advocating the rule breaking to win the championship.  Well ok but if that's the case don't be surprised if the other teams start taking liberties with the "rules" as well. 

At least the races might become interesting without so many "rules".
Report betchat July 25, 2010 3:18 PM BST
The only surprise is that Massa didn't stick his hand out of the car and give Alonso a please overtake signal LaughLaugh
Report bb66 July 25, 2010 3:18 PM BST
3 changes in positions during the race in top 10: Massa - Alonso, Button - Webber, Rosberg - Schumacher: what would we discuss if there wasn't the team order? Rather boring race again, wet track seems to be the only thing to make F1 more spectacular.
Report bb66 July 25, 2010 3:19 PM BST
forgot to say, the other two changes in position were due to strategy i.e. time of tyre change.
Report LazyRamper July 25, 2010 3:26 PM BST
Schu advocating the rule breaking to win the championship.  Well ok but if that's the case don't be surprised if the other teams start taking liberties with the "rules" as well.

What on earth do you think Hamilton was doing in Valencia?
Report fkqmz July 25, 2010 3:54 PM BST
oh please lazy, hamilton is british Silly
Report betchat July 25, 2010 4:04 PM BST

What on earth do you think Hamilton was doing in Valencia?


Indeed but he was actually penalised during the race for his rule breaking and the most memorable one with him being the incident when he was judged to have cut the chicane and was penalised for this by losing the winning spot that he had celebrated on the podium. 

But thanks for making my point that once it gets started don't be surprised if the other teams feel free to start taking liberties with the "rules" and it remains to be seen if Ferrari/Massa/Alonso etc will suffer any come back on this.
Report betchat July 25, 2010 4:30 PM BST
fkqmz

No.  On this site it's a betting perspective.

The team orders more or less destroyed the winners market. 

Still green on Alonso but then the concern I posted during the race that having broken the rules there might have been something like a drive through penalty or something else so the decision posted to lay off that risk just in case.  But the issue of the rules, their level of application and their affect on the f1 market is interesting as well.

Of course it's f1 and all that goes with it.
Report atallbloke July 25, 2010 4:31 PM BST
Vettel must be relieved the media have something to focus on and not highlight him squandering another pole.
Report LazyRamper July 25, 2010 4:37 PM BST
Indeed but he was actually penalised during the race for his rule breaking

He was penalised? If a punishment doesn't stop a driver repeating the crime he commits he'll do it again, the punishment Hamilton was given failed spectacularly in that respect.

and the most memorable one with him being the incident when he was judged to have cut the chicane and was penalised for this by losing the winning spot that he had celebrated on the podium.

Which was fully deserved, otherwise when wanting to pass a driver all you do is jump a chicane, drop in right behind them when you let them go ahead and then use the splip stream to pass them in the next corner.

But thanks for making my point that once it gets started don't be surprised if the other teams feel free to start taking liberties with the "rules" and it remains to be seen if Ferrari/Massa/Alonso etc will suffer any come back on this.

They were cheating in the Tour de France in 1900, when Humans are put in a competitive environment they have as much respect for the rules as Animals do whether in Business or sport.
Report betchat July 25, 2010 5:41 PM BST
He was penalised? If a punishment doesn't stop a driver repeating the crime he commits he'll do it again, the punishment Hamilton was given failed spectacularly in that respect.

Yes he was penalised during the race (with a drive through penalty from memory) and we're still waiting to see what happens to the rule breakers in the latest race.  It isn't about Hamilton or even Ferrari/Massa/Alonso it's about the consistent application of rules in sport when there are rules that are broken by whoever.   But they keep on breaking the rules that's true so it's consistency of interpreation of the rules that matters to read the betting markets.   


Which was fully deserved, otherwise when wanting to pass a driver all you do is jump a chicane, drop in right behind them when you let them go ahead and then use the splip stream to pass them in the next corner.


Whether it was fully deserved (or not because the interpretation of the incident was controversial and it's a bit past history except as a possible reference point)the point I was making is that some stewards action was taken when the offence happened (in that an enquiry was immediately announced) and as soon as they saw the incident.  Who caused the incident isn't that relevant to me it's the consistency of governing body action and whether and how the rules are applied that matters because of the impact on the betting market.

They were cheating in the Tour de France in 1900, when Humans are put in a competitive environment they have as much respect for the rules as Animals do whether in Business or sport.


And way back beyond that as well.  I don't know about the animals bit Shockedbut I take the general drift of what you're saying on that but I'm interested in what happens as a result of this latest apparent rule breaking in f1.  I don't think an enquiry has even been announced yet to see if any rules have been broken - or not.  Maybe they've decided there were no team orders.
Report betchat July 25, 2010 5:52 PM BST
Ah apparently a $100,000 fine?  a real deterrent not.  They'll all be standing on the side of the track waving huge banners with the team orders written in huge block capitals from on now (that's if the in car receivers aren't working of course).
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 5:55 PM BST
Picture says it all

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/7/11069.html
Report Virgin July 25, 2010 6:34 PM BST
joe39     25 Jul 10 18:17 
100,000 US dollars fine for "breach of rules".

Virgin    25 Jul 10 18:22 
they probably made that one here lay one back the other


BBBbbboCoolCool oOOOMMMMM


Virgin     25 Jul 10 18:30 
German GP Ferrari  gained    43 points

$2,325 per point  if only they could buy more of those Silly
Report paul the b July 26, 2010 7:07 AM BST
Spoilt brat Alonso is not complaining now is he?......hope the other drivers give him and his team a hard time just as the little creep does when he believes he has been the victim.(almost every race btw).
Report fkqmz July 26, 2010 7:19 AM BST
betchat 90% of the posters on this site have union jack tainted shades.
Report betchat July 31, 2010 1:17 PM BST
fkqmz so far as consistency and the affect on the betting market are concerned I would have made the same points no matter which team.

Lets see what happens this weekend.
Report fkqmz August 1, 2010 7:48 AM BST
bullsh!t
Report betchat August 1, 2010 10:05 AM BST
fkqmz

You are just ignorant.
Report fkqmz August 1, 2010 10:24 AM BST
no betchat, you are just blinkered

HTH
Report betchat August 1, 2010 11:46 AM BST
No fkqmz that's miles off.  You're trying to read some angle that simply doesn't exist.
Report fkqmz August 1, 2010 11:49 AM BST
denial's a terrible thing. senseless patriotism is rife in this country.
Report Green Board August 1, 2010 12:01 PM BST
Kind of true but then the last two world champions are British.
Report betchat August 1, 2010 12:31 PM BST
Don't deny then. 

So patriotism caused the sudden drop in the winners betting market in the last f1 race after the team orders incident.  Well I never.
Report fkqmz August 1, 2010 12:36 PM BST
who gives a sh!t. youve been moaning on and on, essentially calling alonso and ferrari cheats, whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that mclaren and hamilton in particular have recently racked up the worst disciplinary record of all time.

open your eyes brit boy
Report GPT August 1, 2010 12:48 PM BST
Brit boyLaugh
Report betchat August 1, 2010 1:00 PM BST
lol!  You've finally cracked I and you've started to invent even more stuff.  Really delusional. 

If there's been any moaning on and on it's you moaning and whinging endlessly about stuff that exists only in your mind. 

For your information I didn't ever say Ferrari or Alonso or anyone else cheats!!  I did say that the rules should be applied consistently as inconsistency in applying the rules affects the betting markets.  If anything my criticism was more about the authorities as they're inconsistent in applying the rules rather than an individual team.

It would also be beneficial to you to get off your main hobbyhorse about patriotism and people being brit this and brit that which just demonstrates your ignorance.
Report fkqmz August 1, 2010 3:52 PM BST
LaughLaugh another one wriggling in the net

at least i dont have to ask whether they need to use both tyre eh?
Report betchat August 2, 2010 1:50 PM BST
Tyres you mean.  That'll be your delusional net.
Report Virgin September 10, 2010 10:27 AM BST
Virgin     25 Jul 10 18:30 
German GP Ferrari  gained    43 points

$2,325 per point  if only they could buy more of those Silly
______________________________

looks like 'value' [smiley:crazy]

no further penalties
Report Virgin November 14, 2010 10:48 AM GMT
[smiley:crazy] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [smiley:crazy]
Report Virgin November 14, 2010 2:19 PM GMT
JUSTICE .........
Report Virgin November 14, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
Sebastien Vettel well done Cool
Report Green Board November 14, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
Fully agree! Well done Vettel
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