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17 Sep 15 22:21
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A flourishing combination that deserves the ire of all punters.

Martin comes across as an affable chap on television, he plays the caricature of the lovable rogue and hence punters tend to give him too much leeway.

I think it's more a case of a multitude trainers competing against each other to set up JP trained runners for the next big handicap pot and their success is rewarded with more ammo.

I didn't see the racing (or betting) live today and would suspect that the ground was a lot softer than ideal but it's long odds on that whatsforyouwontgobyyou will win a decent handicap hurdle in a farcical manner. Yes it has always being part of the game and Martin is peerless at it but it certainly shouldn't be diminished or indeed even celebrated

Difficult to have too much sympathy for punters that weren't expecting that type of run today but it's about time the untouchables got the curly finger.

I wouldn't have any sympathy for Harvey with how the British handicapper treats his runners for the major NH festivals.

The Turf Club Veterinary Officer examined Whatsforuwontgobyu, trained by A.J.Martin, at the request of the Stewards and reported the animal to be post race normal.

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By:
workrider
When: 17 Sep 15 22:24
Yes JP loves a tilt at the ring , lets just say his trainers serve him well .
By:
newapproach
When: 17 Sep 15 22:29
The betting on that race stank to high heaven from early morning. Dollar and Dream was being backed all day, the fact that his owners were over from New York made today the day for him. They seem to come over every year and try to land a few gambles but couldn't pull it off today.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 17 Sep 15 22:34
Tony Martin was interviewed before the race on ATR,he said he couldn't split the two funny thing was everyone else could.

One person will believe him though,the handicapper.
By:
joevalue147
When: 17 Sep 15 22:49
Massive drifter all day . They knew it wouldn't be winning but I think Harvey will be a bit pis5ed as the handicapper will hardly drop him as that run was too bad to be true. If the handicapper does happen to drop him well then its quite obvious he is on their bandwagon. Which most suspect anyways.
By:
mincer11
When: 04 Oct 15 19:19
Thomas Edison had a hard race today, id say we wont see him for quite a while after that.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 04 Oct 15 19:32
Barry would want a bit of a rest as well,he must be flaaed out after that effort.

2nd fav for next weeks Cesarewitch,TM has multiple entries.
By:
Pre-Fat-Low-Fat-Foods
When: 04 Oct 15 20:45
BJG is really enhancing his reputation by riding for these brilliantly honest and straightforward connections, whose horse Thomas Edison tried so so hard today to achieve 1st place.

Hard Luck to Barry & Connections. Best of luck next time to Thomas Edison.Love
By:
dj876
When: 04 Oct 15 21:24
Choreographed racing and yet many on here think the sun shines out of these charlatans ar$es.

BJG will carry out orders the same as all before him,this partnership will continue to flourish in big pot handicaps but should be vilified by all punters.

Handicapping has always been part of the game but these untouchables are well and truly taking the michael at this stage.

The racing press will be all over that easy run,sure one has to be considerate after such a heavy fall at Galway
By:
pa lapsy
When: 05 Oct 15 14:46
Fran Berry," he was disappointing and didn't pick up,he had a hard oul' fall in Galway and will maybe get a bit of confidence after that".
I've no doubt he will and if i didn't know any better i would say it was the primary aim yesterday. As regards not picking up, a bit of assistance in the saddle goes a long way towards that. I had no bet in that race but was stunned to see the two in front rowing away and the 3rd doing next to nothing,he picked up very well in the last 100 yards and was a fresh horse.
Misses the Ces Saturday,that would have been some front if he managed to have won that.
As an aside Martins team has gone from 8 to 5 in that in the 5 day stage,interesting runners from him, Heartbreak City and Cassells Rock both came from the same claimer in France,the former showed a lot of improvement last time,both are works in progress. Quick Jack is exposed but should still be thereabouts. TM seems to like these 6 figure handicaps.
By:
tony57
When: 05 Oct 15 19:22
its sickening to see them get away with it ..but jonjo does the same over here..now and again certain trainers with the great ones patronage do the same..
By:
joevalue147
When: 24 Oct 15 17:04
I thought they pulled this thread but obviously not.    Interesting to see how this lad gets on today. Bit of support coming for him now after an initial drift.   The guessing game continues.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Oct 15 23:11
It proved a race to forget for Barry Geraghty, who not only missed out on the winner by riding McManus' Fever Pitch instead but also picked up a two days suspension.

Full text of Turf Club enquiry below:

The Stewards interviewed B.J. Geraghty, rider, in relation to his riding in the straight. Evidence was heard from the rider concerned who stated that his mount was having his first run back after a wind operation and was ridden to get home. He added that his charge was outpaced, pushed along throughout and ridden out hands and heals after the last fence, without resorting to the whip.

He concluded by saying that he was beaten a short head for fourth place and was satisfied that he achieved his best possible place. Following the running of the race Fever Pitch was examined by the Turf Club Veterinary Officer at the request of the Stewards and was found to be post race normal.

Having considered the evidence, the Stewards were of the opinion that the rider was in breach of Rule 212, having failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures to achieve his best possible place and having considered his record, suspended him for two race days and ordered that he forfeit his riding fee.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Oct 15 23:12
It will be an interesting winter if the stewards are willing to take the green and gold to task. Very unusual for such a high profile senior rider to get done under this rule.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 30 Oct 15 00:03
Early phone call
By:
dj876
When: 02 Nov 15 17:30
Nice touch for the partnership in the opener at Cork yesterday,books are a taking a hammering in Irish maiden hurdles which are often initially 2 horse races but come post time it's almost a one horse race.

Okostos 5/2 blasted into odds on (here) with his market rival(appropriately named) in the green and gold drifting like a barge.

A bit of a turnaround in the betting from Navan where Okostos drifted from 5/2 to 6.5 on here and was beaten 40 lengths

"He was entitled to do that and unfortunately the ground was a bit quick for him the last day and I shouldn't have run him. "I'd say the ground in Navan the last day was a shade quick for him. All his bumper form was on soft ground.

He won his bumper at Down Royal on good to soft ground.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 02 Nov 15 22:10
Agree with Ototoks,twas a one horse betting race.
Hand is played now in the colours with Roll It Out,not straight forward as he showed in Gowran but seems to have grown up a bit since his break,not impossible to see him doing very well in say the Pertemps in March. The other runner in that Competitive Edge was anything but despite being very well in on chase ratings, not his day until hy appears in the going i'd guess.
By:
dj876
When: 12 Nov 15 17:45
7/2 to 20/1......... Work away lads.

I haven't looked at the stewards report yet but the untouchables don't give a continental.

How did BJG get on with his appeal yesterday? I see Ruby was in giving evidence in assistance.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 12 Nov 15 17:56
He got off the two days.

Noble King entered next week off 93 in Thurles. Since his promising debut he hasn't been sighted after moving into JP's colours. In between times he has also attained a Flat mark of 47. Expect this horse to come back to form in early course.
By:
neill d
When: 12 Nov 15 20:28
Ruby's face in the interview after the first where he'd just arrived on time to ride the winning spare. Like a child on Christmas morning, hungry man, going to be around a long time yet which is great.
By:
neill d
When: 12 Nov 15 20:41
Pretty obvious but can see Dollar and a Dream atoning at Cheltenham tomorrow. Made a mistake at the critical stage in Listowel after going through the race looking better than his mark, something Walsh can surely iron out. I wasn't so sure he'd travel over for the Friday.

Willie Mullins gave Dogora a good mention in the Cross Country. Must be a reason they've kept hold of him.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 14 Nov 15 11:58
Clonard Street cut with books 13/8-5/4, goes off 9/2 and 8.2 exch,surely hasn't a prayer.
By:
arrested development
When: 14 Nov 15 12:07
40/1 after about 2 furlongs in what will probably the worst 3yo hurdle of the season
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 14 Nov 15 20:24
Clonard Street the best drifter I've seen,it was the speed of the drift coupled with the surprise of Clonard Street when he encountered the first hurdle.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 21 Nov 15 11:51
We will be seeing a similar story in action today in the last. Anyone needing a chuckle should also watch Noble King in Dundalk last night.
By:
norn iron
When: 21 Nov 15 12:03
NOBLE EMPER0R Wink  MY NAP TODAY AND DEFF SEE THIS WINNING GRADE ONE RACES
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 21 Nov 15 12:05
NORN,
Wrong thread me tinks
By:
norn iron
When: 21 Nov 15 12:10
CMIYC   DONT THINK SO Angry Devil GREEN AND GOLD WIN FEW TODAY ME THINKS Wink
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 21 Nov 15 12:37
Oops - apologies - must put on my glasses

Noble Emperor and Noble Endeavor - BOTH RUN IN GOWRAN TODAY Devil
By:
cloone river
When: 22 Nov 15 10:53
The green and gold will have a good day at navan today.Good things comes to he that waits.
By:
norn iron
When: 22 Nov 15 11:49
AGREED
By:
Arklearkle
When: 22 Nov 15 14:51
It depends on what one means by waits.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 15:38
He means they wait until the weights are right
By:
norn iron
When: 23 Nov 15 13:02
REGAL ENCORE  135  KEMP BE WORTH FEW SHECKLES AS BEEEN EYECATCHER FEW TIMES
By:
pa lapsy
When: 25 Nov 15 13:17
Very good Cloone river.

Tony and Green and Gold jockey Mark Walsh are amongst the nominations for the years annual love in at the hri awards,Tony for no less than the Outstanding Achievement Award. Sheamie Heffernan another notable nomination in that category. Does anyone know if there is a phoneline kinda thing where you can cast a vote?
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 Nov 15 18:12
From Duncan Idaho's thread on the HR forum - the running & riding of 4 JP horses looked into by Fairyhouse stewards

http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=160746


The Stewards at Fairyhouse held running and riding enquiries into five horses today, four of which were owned by Champion Owner J.P. McManus, and while three of the performances were merely 'noted', action was taken in the case of the Tony Martin trained Bobbi's Diamond and Pat Fahy trained Shantou Ed.

Martin and Fahy were both fined E1,000 for the performances of their charges with respective jockeys Philip Enright and Alan Crowe each receiving seven day suspensions and both horses receiving 30 day bans.

Bobbi's Diamond carries the colours of Deborah Breslin while the remainder Shantou Ed, Blow The Doors Off, Stakes Wallace and Uaintseenothingyet raced in the McManus silks.

The Stewards' Report from the day's racing reads:

327A Auld Stand/Kellys Pub Beginners S'chase

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Blow The Doors Off (GB), ridden by N.P. Madden, and trained by Conor O'Dwyer. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. N.P. Madden, stated that his instructions were to jump off mid-division or closer, to try and get the horse jumping well and finish best he could. He added that the horse jumped and travelled well before taking a blow and getting very tired in the closing stages. Conor O'Dwyer, confirmed the instructions and expressed his satisfaction with the performance of both horse and rider. He added that the horse is only having his second run back after a long lay off and should improve for the run as a result. He also confirmed that the horse liked the ground and should appreciate a step up in trip in time. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Blow The Doors Off was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanations offered.

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Shantou Ed, ridden by A.P. Crowe, and trained by P.A.Fahy. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. P.A.Fahy, stated that his instructions were to settle his charge in mid-division and to ensure he had a good round of jumping, bearing in mind that the horse had a bad experience on his last start at Navan. He was happy with the race until the horse made a bad mistake at the fence past the stands and lost his position. The trainer expressed his satisfaction with the ride and confirmed that he holds the horse in high regard and deems him well capable of competing at the highest level. Evidence was heard from A.P.Crowe who confirmed the instructions he received and added that the horse failed to jump well enough to get into the race. He stated that he jammed on at the first fence, was slow at the second and made a bad mistake at the fence past the stand. He added that he rode the horse out as strong as he could, without resorting to the whip, but the horse finished very tired.

The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Shantou Ed was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards were of the opinion that both trainer and rider were in breach of Rule 212(a), in that all reasonable measures were not taken to ensure that the horse was given a full oppurtunity to obtain his best possible placing and having considered their clean records in this regard, the trainer was fined €1,000, Shantou Ed was suspended for thirty days and A.P.Crowe was suspended for seven race days and ordered to forfeit his riding fee.

-The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Bobbie's Diamond, ridden by P.T. Enright, and trained by A.J.Martin. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. A.J.Martin, stated that the instructions were to settle the horse in mid division and to get him jumping and come home best he could. He added that the horse has a respiratory issue and has always made a noise at home and on previous runs. P.T.Enright confirmed the instructions and stated that having jumped poorly he got further back than he had hoped. He added that he gave his horse a chance in the back straight and having filled his lungs, stayed on well. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Bobbie's Diamond was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards were of the opinion that both trainer and rider were in breach of Rule 212, in that all reasonable and permissible measures were not taken to give the horse a full opportunity to achieve the best possible place and having considered their records, P.T. Enright was suspended for seven day's and ordered to forfeit his riding fee and Bobbie's Diamond was suspended for thirty days. A.J.Martin was fined €1,000 and referred to the referrals committee having failed to report that the horse had made a respiratory noise on previous runs, in accordance with Rule 213. Mr. Robert Dore, absented himself from this enquiry and Mr. Laurance McFerran acted as chairman.

327B Irish Stallion Farms EBF(M)H'cap S'chase

J.J.Lambe, trainer of Cinder Rua, reported to the Clerk of Scales that his charge pulled a front shoe in running.

327C EasyFix H'cap S'chase

D.N. Russell, rider of Toon River trained by Miss Mary Louise Hallahan, reported to the Clerk of Scales that his mount jumped poorly.

327D2 Like Fairyhouse On Facebook M'dn H'dle

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Staker Wallace, ridden by N.P. Madden, and trained by E. Bolger. Evidence was heard from the rider and Authorised Representative. N.P. Madden, stated that his instructions were to settle his mount seventh or eight , give him some light and do the best he could. He added that the horse jumped and travelled well before choking from the back of the second last.

Frank Berry, representing E. Bolger confirmed the instructions and expressed his satisfaction with the horses performance and the ride. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Staker Wallace was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanation offered.

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Uaintseenothingyet (GB), ridden by J.S. McGarvey, and trained by Edward P.Harty. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. J.S. McGarvey, stated that his instructions were to take his time, get him jumping and make the best of his way home. He added that the horse ran green , made a few jumping errors and made a respiratory noise in the closing stages.. Edward P.Harty, confirmed the instructions and added that the horse is very big and raw. He also added that the horse coughed post race. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Uaintseennothingyet was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanations, however they were of the opinion that J.S.McGarvey was in breach of Rule 213(ii), having failed to report at the first instance that the horse had made a noise and having considered his record, cautioned him concerning his future responsibilities in this regard.

N.P. Madden, rider of Staker Wallace trained by E. Bolger, reported to the Clerk of Scales that his mount choked from the back of the second last.

327G KettlesHotelFingal Ravens(P-Am)Flat Race

N.J.Tector, trainer of A L'attaque, reported to the Stewards' Secretaries that his charge failed to pick up in this race
By:
Arklearkle
When: 28 Nov 15 20:57
Perhaps things are improving, hopefully.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 28 Nov 15 22:31
Those two new Australian Stewards in Leopardstown will sort things out Devil
By:
Arklearkle
When: 29 Nov 15 00:29
hope their phones are exdirectory
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Nov 15 09:55
Interesting to see how this trend goes during the season. I have heard, unsurprisingly, previously that JP gets quite animated with trainers when his horses are pulled in. It’s seen as a failure on their part that the horses run eye-catching races.
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