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Excellent write up,like Champagne Fever myself,hoping it's toughened up a bit in time.
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As Callit says Dynaste came here as joint fav last year 8/1 E/WAY is a cracking bet[all bookies paying 1/4 odds a place] i belive we will see the best of him on the 26th, ..as ever a fine write up by Callit
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Think Dynaste is just a tad short of being top drawer,well beaten in this last year and well behind Silviniaco Conti (10 Lengths) at Haydock this November.
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P.S,you can get 4's here now on Champagne if you feel it's a good price.
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Just seen that. I feel he could be bigger again on the day though. Few factors that may be overplayed by the market. WPM record outside the festival, CFs Xmas record, his unproven stamina etc. All of which don't trouble me, as there are reasons for them all, but I believe they will push his price out.
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Terrific write up Callit,think there isn,t much between the likes of Silviniaco Conti, Cue Card, Dynaste,Menorah, Al Ferof,they have all come across each other before and plenty of reverses and little distance between them,hard to say which will finish in front of another and no surprise what happens. Champegne Fever? Champion hurdle winning form for him in the past with My Tent and Jezki. The issue part is the trouble alright,at Clonmelmade a mess of the 3rd(?),turned into the straight 1st time and the ears were like antennae,headed ears flat back,pity Realt Dubh made a mistake 2 out,but CF ear flicked just before the last,plenty left but some thinker. Flawed genious to feck up possibly,have to be worried with jumping and attitude but up against much of a muchness and has nearly done enough over hurdles to say he could be 170+,think either way you could kick yourself if you backed him or let him go but think i'll be hoping his a good boy on the day.
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Yeah, even the day he beat Melodic Rendevouz in the Punchestown Champion Bumper, he looked for a second like he was going to pull himself up. Though I wouldn't have bothered leaving the bed, never mind the starting gate that day. Horrendous conditions.
Whoever wins, it promises to be treat. Cracking racing all day on Fri. Vautour looks the best novice chaser since Sprinter Sacre(Un de Sceaux could be the 2nd best!), Kalkir impressed me more than any other 3yr old hurdler in a long time, and Faugheen is Frankel over 8 flights!! That treble pays 13-8 by the way.....yes please ![]() |
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Very impressed with Un De Sceaux as well yesterday,he is fnding it hard to get a challenger in a race. Doesn't look a bad treble at all, before i know who he is up against R$ocky Blier impressed me on the flat last couple of runs,like to see him make a debut.
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On a side note to the Christmas Hurdle at Kemp, Irving currently 5.4, SOV about 10. I would like to bet SOV in a match bet at them percentages.
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Excellent stuff and a very cogent case.
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Excellent write up, I'm a big silviniavo fan, feel the horse has got some unjustified bad press. Could be called the winner a LONG way out at haddock and think he will prove how good he is on Friday...great looking field, good luck all
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Pa..... Rocky Blier is owned by Connell and as a result is going to be no good.....a rubbish purchase as per usual.....the only reason Connell gets him is because nobody else wanted him of course.....150k for a horse worth about 10.....nothing new in that i suppose.....GH Bloodstck signing.....if he runs in Leopardstown it will not be found.....
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There's a want in someone to give you a load of stars for that reply Paulie,you might be right,he may not be anygood over flights but worth 10k after winning a premier handicap with plenty of 90 odds and a couple a 100+ behind is a bit out. He grabbed my imagination at the flat backend,mightn't be Stephens Day(not a fierce hot race to me with the entries) but think he might be a decent enough buy.
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a load of stars
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Pa....Rocky Blieier will be nowhere in that race of he turns up....connells colours are the colours of death pa.... he has the opposite to the Midas touch when it comes to horses.... If you drew a line through every horse that carry those colours then you wouldn't do any harm ....as everybody knows Connell will be aiming a lot of his horses at leopardstown ....how many winners will he have.... Not many possibly not any would be my guess....
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He has poor statistics alright Paulie ,more so given the cost of his horses.Hasn,t a lot really,The Tullow Tank could be gone,other than that not sure about Golantilla,Velvet Maker might be decent but a lot of handicappers as well.Agree with the lads here with Foxrock. Think it was good of him to give Alan Fleming a few youngsters after he came back from England,but can't dispute the point you are making that his decision making has generally been poor though i think done in the right spirit.
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Think Golantilla is stuffed is stuffed pa,next time out for TTT will be telling.
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Sorry about the stutter
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Champagne Fever will win if he settles. Brilliant jumper and thankfully its an easy three miles as stamina would be a doubt for me. I know people go on about his pedigree but the horse has serious pace as he showed in Supreme and Arkle races! Dont mind what the ratings say if he is right he would pick this lot up and carry them!
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mullins english record outside cheltenham is very poor.also horse seems better in march/april.also stamina doubts hard back him for me at 7/2.
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any sign of tony,lads?
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Backed him at 7's. Wouldnt back him at 7/2 either. He has been layed out for this. Different things have gone wrong at Christmas over last few years, for which there are legitimate excuses which were not made public at the time! I would be confident he will run his race.
As for Mullins English record i have said many times that he is sending these horses over as an after thought. You saw the two last week in Ascot. The bumper mare is Tiny and is a summer mare of limited ability, while the novice hurdler wouldnt be in the top 10-12 novices in the yard. Ye boys should be laying these horses. More than likely he will have a double on one of the biggest British cards of the year on the 26th. |
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Can't believe for a moment this , sends them over as an afterthought , what a load of tripe , what trainer no matter who , wants to be thought of as a fool sending horses over at huge expense to his owners never mind the amount of time spent on the exercise ..Pure rubbish imo...
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NEVER SEEN MORE OPEN RACE ANYONE THINK IT WILL BE VERY HEAVY GROUND OR JUST SOFT ?
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Workrider as a matter of interest how much would it cost for a irish trainer[owners] to send over a horse to the UK for a race. I have no idea myself. ty
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Cue Card is the forgotten horse in this race and he represents a decent e/w bet at 8/1. The form of his Betfair Chase win last year is hard to overlook. Remember, he was favourite for this race last year and looked like winning easily going to the second last. He has returned this year with two slightly below par efforts but having been injured I suspect he needed the runs. This is what his trainer had to say yesterday "His run in the Betfair last time out was disappointing, but he blew for a long time afterwards which suggests we had left him short. He has really started to blossom over the last three weeks and I have him spot-on for the King George. He'll definitely run a massive race."
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I wouldn't call his performances this year slightly below par, he ran bloody shocking in the Betfair and his jumping fell to pieces when Fehily put it up to him on Silviniaco Conti on the 2nd circuit
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Gotchee if Cue card trainer is right then he could be a bet to nothing e/way 1/4odds,i must have a look at the markets on the 26th, Morning line might give a few pointers.
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Never had a runner myself in UK Frank so not up to speed on that , what I do know is some UK courses pay part of your costs when its a big race , Off the top of my head I would estimate with travel costs , lads overtime etc , at least a couple of grand...
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Thanks W/R, i sure someone on the forum has an idea, i guess i have a curious nature.
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I wouldn't go as far as calling them shocking premier, I suspect he needed the runs and all known form it is between himself and Silviano. Champagne Fever is a dreadful price at 9/2, he should be at least double those odds.
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€1000 or thereabouts to travel to the UK with a single horse.
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I agree re Champagne Fever's price, everybody keeps hammering on about Al Ferof being a shocking price but i would say he has achieved more than Champagne Fever over fences so far and the step up in trip would want to bring out vast improvement in Champagne Fever which it may well do.
As for Al Ferof i really wish Ruby was on board and i would back him, i really ain't a fan of STD (no pun intended). If what Pumpkinhead has said re the ulcers is true Al Ferof's performances last year where not all that bad and his 3rd on soft / heavy ground in this race last year on his first try over the trip starts to look a lot better, he looked very good last time at Ascot giving weight all around to decent rivals (all be it not top grade 1 horses) and if coming on for that i think he could run a massive race, problem is all the juice has been taken out of his price as well at 6s. |
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Colin Tizzard looked well annoyed with his run at Haydock and Daryl Jacob looked gutted.I think it's far more likely that he's not the same horse since the injury or the KG last year bottomed him. I have no problem forgiving the first run back over an inadequate distance but the Betfair must raise serious doubts about him. I think it's a very difficult race and will be very interesting without any financial involvement.
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Conti was very impressive at Haydock , and with Nicholls happy with him I'd be inclined to have a few quid on ...Looked like he was going to win the G/CUP at one stage till faltering for whatever reason , up the hill ..Maybe we are not giving him his dues...
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Wonks why does he leave the vast majority of his top horses at home and bring over the dross if it is not an after thought?
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Just had a look at Nicholls tips , Says Conti would rather soft/heavy and its currently good I think ..He thinks all his have a good chance over the Christmas ...
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Willy we've had this debate before ,just to reiterate ..No trainer wants to be looked upon as a fool ,who willy nilly sends his horses huge distances and incurs massive expence for no reward ...Simple ..
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Workrider, I think he has to send them as his better horses are taking up the available races in Ireland. He's sent over a fair number of twighlight/Grade 3 novices because he needs the Irish races for his best horses, he has 7/10 favs for the Chelts novice races already and he has to run the other horses somewhere.
He is running against Britains best, but ask yourself how would Nicholls/Henderson do sending their second tier horses over to take on Ireland's best. The anwser of course is 'not too well' and I don't think we can read anything into the defeats Mullins has incurred cross channel due to the above. |