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Report tony57 October 7, 2014 1:21 PM BST
theres a pic of him on the back of the mail reb...he looks like rasputin??
Report scamboogah October 7, 2014 3:07 PM BST
It's all boring bullmanure now.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 7, 2014 3:12 PM BST
If he was boarding your flight you would get off.

He would certainly confuse the racial profilers.
Report tony57 October 7, 2014 3:46 PM BST
Laughvery good Wildman..
Report frank60 October 7, 2014 9:10 PM BST
Bull McCabe comes to mind,
Report Rocketfingers October 7, 2014 9:46 PM BST
Exactly Frank, to the ones versed in Irish literature the Bull McCabe would certainly come to mind, to the ones who are not or the less of intellect then i suppose Wildman and Tony's thought would be prevalent in one's mind.
Report kavvie October 7, 2014 10:42 PM BST
why does he write this sh1t?  hes not short of a bob..i heard hes worth over 40 m somewhere recently.. hes an ego maniac id say
Report mrtopnotch October 8, 2014 12:15 AM BST
Wildman are you a westbrit or someone who misses the empire?
Report soldieroffortune October 8, 2014 12:31 AM BST
kavvie 07 Oct 14 22:42   

hes not short of a bob..i heard hes worth over 40 m somewhere recently.. hes an ego maniac id say


kavvie who you on about there ...... workrider? Laugh
Report flushgordon1 October 8, 2014 6:53 AM BST
he appears a bit inadequate,
Report pa lapsy October 8, 2014 11:20 AM BST
Nothing against beards but that adds 20 years to him,tisn,t a good look.
Bit of a kick in the ballez to the Keano chanters with this beaut;
"To be honest i never cared much for Manchester Utd fans,for the most part they are clueless glory hunters trying to add a sense of accomplishment to their own pointless lives by jumping on the bandwagon of a successful club in many cases on the other side of the world".
Tis nice to be nice Roy.
Report reb October 8, 2014 3:44 PM BST
Given the extracts from his book that I have read recently, I wonder how Roy Keane with his apparent personality could possibly work with, or have respect for, John Delaney and the FAI.
Report scamboogah October 8, 2014 3:58 PM BST
GrinFergie will bring out another book and cue "extra time" more tales from Keano.
Report Kelly October 8, 2014 4:07 PM BST
Question is  "who buys these books " .  Every time I go into a bargain books store they are full of giveaway books about so called current / past sporting stars and "celebrities" . Sad reflection on society  , presumably somebody somewhere gets people to buy them .  Picked up one recently concerning the world no 1 . 60 seconds later I returned it to the shelf , not even worth the £2 or so it was selling at .  Meaningless .
Report padlock October 8, 2014 6:52 PM BST
is there  nothing more newsworthy in ireland than this book and bloody love/hate
Report dj876 October 8, 2014 8:08 PM BST
I have no problem admitting to being one of the dregs of society that would purchase the book. Plenty of decent autobiographical (or unauthorised bios) reads such as Timmy Murphy,Alex Higgins and Graham Bradley's 'The Wayward lad'. Generally bios depicting characters fighting their demons are more interesting than reading the roll of honour lists contained in the likes of Ruby/AP's books.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 8, 2014 8:30 PM BST
I read the extracts of Full On Ivan Yates book in the paper and think it could be a great read,will buy the book as soon as I can.

Mrtopnotch what makes you think I am a West Brit ?
Report RoyalAcademy October 8, 2014 9:51 PM BST
there's few enough biographies worth reading as most are an exercise in vanity. I recall starting a thread here on Dunphy's recent book that was so bland as to be colourless and tasteless-not a mention of his many faults and failings, his sojourns in deauville or his love of gambling. It was quickly removed.

Before I read that Keane was admitting to huge personal insecurities you could only wonder what the whole point of it was. I agree with dj tho that if the subject is honest there's usually a story worth reading. Can you image the self-important ego involved that a "celebrity" thinks people only want to read about their tedious "successful" lives?

ruby could choose honesty over hubris, so could Sean kelly
Report freddiek October 8, 2014 10:07 PM BST
Keane is not doing his future prospects much good. not a lot of top clubs would want to be associated with a fella who is so candid about sufferin from rage and mid-life crises and whatever else.

thats why the TV stations tried to get him involved, they knew people would tune in for the chance of a meltdown with him.

great great player though.
Report paulie wallnuts October 8, 2014 10:13 PM BST
What future prospects.....the man has more money that he'd need for 10 lifetimes....he isn't writing books to make  money.....he's in a position where he can give  a few people their pedigree's and he's doing just that.....and fair play to the guy......
Has never ever suffered fools ......even in his younger days.....so he's certainly not going to suffer them now......
Report GANT007 October 8, 2014 10:19 PM BST
Well said Paulie.........He summed up Ferguson well.
Report flushgordon1 October 8, 2014 10:26 PM BST
ye want to get the barry brogan story, a man destroyed by his demons but who fought against them and even though being a class a pr!ck, still was likeable compared to roy i am a hard man love me t0sser.
Report freddiek October 8, 2014 10:29 PM BST
Paulie he wants something more than setting up cones for Martin O'Neill. but i don't think he's helping himself.
Report paulie wallnuts October 8, 2014 10:37 PM BST
Freddiek......my reading of Keane is that he anything he does and says is because he himself wants to do or say it.....hes a clever fella and theres a method to his madness.....he may be fickle and unpredictable at times but whatever he does or say is under his terms......he's not everybodys cup of tea.....he's not a yes man.....he calls a spade a spade.....and isn't fussed if he upsets people....he makes a refreshing change from most people who are in the public eye.....
Report Rocketfingers October 8, 2014 10:39 PM BST
Future prospects? Good man NeddieK, and people thought dickie was slow Laugh
Report freddiek October 8, 2014 10:44 PM BST
could see him at Sligo Rovers in a couple of years. might be the only club that would touch him
Report Kelly October 8, 2014 10:45 PM BST
dj876 , no suggestion that only the dregs of society buy books such as I see regularly on the bookshelves . Lots of people  obviously buy them , otherwise they wouldn't be published . Publishing is one thing , buying is another .

The same question applies to newspapers , most of the rubbish I see on front pages of tabloids panders only to the curious or sensation seekers . Half the papers published are a waste of newsprint .  Like wise the number of books published , particularly regarding recently retired or "in the news" sports people / celebrities ( so called) is ridiculous , and of little significance other than to stir up controversy or be an execrise in self justification . Giant egos etc , Pieterson a current example , nearly all proving the person concerned was "right" and any inadequacies identified by us in the general populace being someone elses fault .

Few people , including sports "stars" and celebrities are perfect , other than occasionally in their chosen profession / sport , and then maybe only for a short time . That debate warrants a seperate forum entry .

And when someone publishes updates to their original literary foray , you wonder why .  It is a little like the numpties who keep resurfacing on our TV screens on reality shows when their previous career existnce has flagged into obscurity .  A cry for recognition , a mid life crisis ?  Who knows ?
Report dj876 October 8, 2014 11:11 PM BST
It's an over simplification to generalise all autobiographies as similar content. Some autobiographies contain a narrative that transcends their public image and not all can be classified as mere vanity exercises or shameless profile proffering.

You stated that it's a 'sad reflection on society' that these books sell which is why I referred to the dregs of society in a satirical tone in response to your condescending admonishment of such readers.
Report Kelly October 8, 2014 11:48 PM BST
We obviously have a different viewpoint on society dj876 . But using the word dregs is not in my vocabulary regarding fellow citizens -  satirical or not , and using it  is an attempt to trivialise an honest post .

Not all autobiographies are rubbish , I have a good collection of some fairly worthy ones  , but there are a huge number of worthless publications which finish up at giveaway prices in certain shops -- supply and demand forces nearly always have the last say . That was my point .  If no-one bought them there would be less dross about .

The media are the main culprits , that includes newspapers , publishers , television , radio etc . Anything goes in the search for headlines and customers .
Report reb October 9, 2014 10:33 AM BST
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/08/pablo-counago-roy-keane-cowa...
Report BigRob1 October 10, 2014 1:43 AM BST
It's an awl full  thing to say about the bloke but I hope he isn't  going through some sort of a break down at the moment,,

I'm don't know  how celebrities / footballers employ PR guys but surely Keane has somebody advising him on stuff to do and say.

The beard is very strange to say the least but  the anger  he has built up  his head ,, even hatred against former team mates and managers isn't normal, has he a good word to say about anybody .
Report Ozymandius October 10, 2014 8:58 AM BST
actually he has plenty of positive things to say abut plenty of people, but these are not dwelt upon by the media.
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y October 10, 2014 9:36 AM BST
Slagging Gary Neville over the size of his **** as well - wtf??
Report Kelly October 10, 2014 10:06 AM BST
Complex character , Keane . Very good footballer , although I did read somewhere that his biggest identifiable asset as a player was his percentage retention figures ie he didn't give away the ball too often .  Presumably no one wanted to tackle him . History there I suspect .

I rated him on the same scale as his current boss , Martin O'Neill . Martin was not the best player we ever produced in the north , but top 10 easily in our pecking order . Martins book is quite a good read  , but maybe influenced by his proximity locally . His relationship with Brian Clough was interesting , Clough still the best English ( born ) manager I have seen .
Report wildmanfromborneo October 10, 2014 10:07 AM BST
Its ghost written by the foul mouthed master of vulgarity Roddy Doyle so hardly surprising.
Report Rocketfingers October 10, 2014 10:13 AM BST
Ah c'mon on Kelly O'Neill was a very good and clever player but Best was the best the North ever produced if not the whole of GB and Ireland combined. As for Wildman stick to your picture stories.
Report Kelly October 10, 2014 10:19 AM BST
We have all been in dressing rooms  , but discussion of players private arrangements wouldn't even cross our minds .
Report Kelly October 10, 2014 10:22 AM BST
Rocketfingers , misintrepting again ? Best was the best these isles ever produced ( and probably ever will ) , but that does not detract from Martin O'Neill being top 10 from the north , which is all I said .
Report Rocketfingers October 10, 2014 10:27 AM BST
No just misreading Kelly, so apologies, Top 10 hmm probably just about so agree.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 10, 2014 10:29 AM BST
The usual inability to follow the most basic of threads by Rocketfingers.

Its no wonder he is demented apologising.
Report Kelly October 10, 2014 11:09 AM BST
Reading up a review of Pietersen's flaying of English cricket .  Via David Walsh , so of more than passing interest to me , Seven Deadly Sins being one of the best books I have read .

The description by them of one of Englands "finest" as "a Dairylea triangle masquerading as Brie" is priceless  , referenced as Big Cheese .  Might even buy this book , Pietersen was world class even if he did not fit into the classic mould , but essentially he is another of the South African imports to England . Think he regrets that in the final analysis  , but he encoutered problems there too .  Complex .  Like Keane .
Report kincsem October 10, 2014 2:49 PM BST
I hope I don't get this for Christmas.
Report dlarssonf October 10, 2014 4:01 PM BST
The best autobiography  of them all is Paul McGrath's , it's an honest and brutal read but he was some man - the best player by a mile to ever wear the green jersey!!!
Report paulie wallnuts October 10, 2014 4:10 PM BST
He was in his hole ......Roy Keane was a better player than McGrath.....played in a much more taxing position too.....
Report dlarssonf October 10, 2014 5:19 PM BST
We agree to disagree , Mcgrath was a better player
Report frank60 October 10, 2014 7:15 PM BST
THE 2 best Sports Autobiographys i ever read were Paul Mcgraths and Barry Brogans , THEY SAY THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE,; OK THEN IT HELPS
Report kavvie October 10, 2014 7:30 PM BST
best i read was by a rugby player  nick farr jones of australia   i read it on a plane going somewhere..  very good story..there was an aussie beside me.he was full of facts about him.and he hadnt read it.i swapped it for a bot of jameson with him as we disembarked!!
Report richters October 10, 2014 7:48 PM BST
lol sp astic fingers again gets confused by a thread of more than 2 lines,as for paul mc grath being a better player than keane,get away a that before anyone hears ye ffs
Report dlarssonf October 10, 2014 8:27 PM BST
Unlike you , I am not in the slightest bit worried who hears meGrin
Report flushgordon1 October 10, 2014 8:44 PM BST
Is there a chapter on his conversion to islam or is he just going for the gerry adams look and failing?
It is probably closer to a danny mc grain with an unhealthy intrest in children look.
No offense to the legendary danny.
Report mightymoyes October 10, 2014 9:22 PM BST
hes shaved off the beard
Report Kelly October 10, 2014 11:51 PM BST
Dunphy was good on the Late Late re the book and Keane .  Dont often watch RTE , particularly if there is soccer on , but Dunphy seemed spot on tonight .

Roddy Doyles "the Van " is one of the funniest books I have ever read .  Knew characters like that when I was working in Dublin in early sixties , before Dublin entered the Dublin 4 syndrome .

Keane is a Cork man through and through , I always enjoy the craic with the Cork ball hoppers ( they specialise in breeding ball hoppers there ) . Surprised Keane didn't suss out Ferguson  , a lot of us out here had .
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y October 11, 2014 11:30 AM BST
what's the dublin 4 syndrome?? Confused
Report freddiek October 11, 2014 12:54 PM BST
"Why Martin O’Neill should dump Roy Keane"


Diarmaid Ferriter

Martin O’Neill should dump Roy Keane as soon as possible. This might serve a number of different purposes, which would not in the short term make for an easy life for O’Neill, but at least it might eventually switch the focus back to the welfare and progression of soccer in Ireland. After the furore this week over the latest Keane rants, courtesy of the 43-year-old’s second autobiography, The Second Half, O’Neill, preparing for his team’s Euro qualifying match against Gibraltar tonight, tried to play it causal and non-plussed, but he was fooling no-one. He told RTÉ he was “not necessarily” fed up with answering questions about Keane, and that because Keane is an “iconic” figure, the media circus around him was inevitable.
That, of course, is the very problem. I can’t think of any other country where the assistant manager of its soccer team would be described or regarded as iconic, but there seems to be some sort of mutual dependency at work regarding Keane and Ireland and it is not good for either. I even heard heated discussion during the week about Keane’s terrifying beard – is the beard iconic too? O’Neill has to be the man to break this mutual dependency and return us to sanity.
Of course such a move would be controversial and generate more splenetic debate and there would be much mention of Saipan 2, a new civil war, the second partitioning of Ireland and other such emotiveness, along with the summonsing of RTÉ’s Tommy Gorman from Belfast to plead with O’Neill on behalf of the nation, but when the assistant has become iconic it is time to let him go and be iconic somewhere else.

Given that the description “iconic” also usually implies the character in question symbolises something, what is it that Keane symbolises? Is he the nation writ large? As he writes of himself, “the self-destruct button is definitely there”. Is it the case that his rise to the top of English soccer and his various meltdowns somehow echo the Celtic Tiger and the subsequent crash, while his immaturity, stubbornness and skewed moral compass mirror some of the worst of modern Irish characteristics?

And what of hypocrisy? His insistence that “Stupidity is doing the same things and expecting different results” has been often cited in relation to various Irish failings, but does it not also apply to writing bilious autobiographies?
I doubt Roddy Doyle or Keane ever imagined they would be together touring cricket clubs and institutions bearing the British royal title, but that is what both of them are embracing this month with their book tour; a trip to Lancashire County Cricket club in Manchester and the Royal British Institute of Architects are among the gigs planned. This is a reminder that Keane retains his addiction to maximum exposure at home and abroad to feed his mighty appetite for attention, despite his protestations that he wants a quiet life.

The man who caused a sensation in Saipan in 2002 by lambasting a substandard approach to preparing for the World Cup finals seems quite content to discuss at length his own battle with standards which he has more frequently lost than won on the basis of the new book’s content, replete with petty score settling, head butts, expletives and a very confused sense of what constitutes loyalty and professionalism.

The Saipan episode has already entered the history books, albeit briefly, courtesy of the updated and revised edition in 2011 of the late TW Moody and FX Martin’s The Course of Irish History, first published in 1967. There, we are told in a new chapter entitled “Turning Corners: Ireland 2002-11”, that in Saipan, Keane’s “professionalism was offended”. But what about professionalism and the position he now holds? How professional is it to undermine the soccer team and its manager with his current ego project? Give him the boot Martin.

Inevitably, if O’Neill was to get rid of him there would be yet another autobiography and while predictions will inevitably be made that this will carry the title “Extra Time”, I have an alternative suggestion.
It is quite clear that having availed of the services of a sports writer **** broadcaster and a novelist for the first two volumes, in the form of Eamon Dunphy and Roddy Dolye, Keane now requires the services of a professional historian, if only so justice can be done and sufficient context provided for his life and times.
The resultant book could be called Judging Roy: Portrait of an Icon and published by the Royal Irish Academy or some other august institution. Study of Keane could then be built into a broader academic programme with university PhD programmes in Keane studies and seminars that seek to tease out the implications of the national stupidity of doing the same things and expecting different results. Martin, do what you must do, and then Roy, give me a call.
Report Kelly October 12, 2014 2:22 AM BST
Dublin 4 is full of "rindabouts" .
Report kincsem October 12, 2014 10:49 AM BST
Roy Keane knows everything.
Report The Bhoys October 12, 2014 3:40 PM BST
read mcgraths book also, brilliant, bit before my time was mcgrath but heard he was some footballer, personllly keane is my hero
Report callitasucit October 12, 2014 7:32 PM BST
Keane on SSN there. Asked did John O'Shea take offence about what Roy said about him in book, he retorted......

'No, no, because Sheasy's got a brain, he knows what was said....not like the rest of ye!!

BrilliantLaugh
Report kingrat October 12, 2014 7:50 PM BST
keano! keano! keano!  Laugh
Report Ozymandius October 13, 2014 5:40 PM BST
Having read the book in full, i have to say it's a cracker of a read.  The extracts you will have read don't really do the book justice.

It's very well written, taut, nothing superfluous, well structured.  It's witty, poignant, insightful and self deprecating.  Roddy Doyle has done an amazing job, his sharp, colloquial dialogue jumps off the page, but yet the voice is still authentically Keane.

Thoroughly recommended in a genre that frequently disappoints.
Report kincsem October 13, 2014 6:29 PM BST
Ozy
Are you connected?
Report wildmanfromborneo October 14, 2014 8:45 AM BST
Roddy Doyle can't write.
I believe he has found himself onto the school curriculum alongside Willie Russell another mildly entertaining writer but definitely not worth studying.
That these penny dreadful type writers have made it into schools is proof of the dumbing down of our education system.
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 10:39 AM BST
He most certainly can write. 

It might not be to everyone's taste, being quite modern, urban working-class and heavily based on dialect and slang.

Perhaps it does represent a dumbing down of our education system, though it is more accessible to the less academic and may inspire and encourage them in a way that Henry James cannot.  For all its relevant simplicity, it is not without artistic merit.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 14, 2014 11:21 AM BST
Ozymandius giving away his age again.

Henry James another dreadful writer but hardly on any syllabus of the last 40 years.

The British education system is one big propaganda tool where inferior cultures are promoted,the Christian Judea tradition derided and history taught in a way to make them hate their country.

Elements of this are creeping into the Irish education system,the teaching of English a prime example,Shakespeare no longer taught,Keats gone,Milton similarly and in their place Robert Frost not even a top American poet.
In literature they are studying the appalling Roddy Doyle who should be a script writer for Coronation Street and the equally banal Willie Russell whose play Blood Brothers is on the course.
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 11:31 AM BST
Not sure why you would consider yourself to be intimately familiar with the syllabus, needless to say your assertions re Henry James are inaccurate.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 14, 2014 11:57 AM BST
I have done something you have never done,helped grabbers of different generations with their homework.

I would be surprised if the pedantic Henry James has somehow made it back on to the syllabus.
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 11:59 AM BST
well, that's progress from your earlier, typically bullheaded incorrect assertion.
Report frank60 October 14, 2014 4:48 PM BST
Roddy Doyle won the  booker prize in 1993, i think its fair to say he is a fine writer Wildman.
Report Kelly October 14, 2014 5:59 PM BST
If you can discount the effing and blinding , Roddy Doyle is an acute observer of some lifestyles . The fact that some peoples language is peppered with expletives is a fact of life , but I reckon it does not need to be reported in full .

The Van is hilarious  , only one I have read , think he has done childrens stories as well , my wife I think has commented on that .
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 6:03 PM BST
jayaus man, does every post have to reference the opinion of a family member of yours.  FFS.

What are you like?
Report Kelly October 14, 2014 7:25 PM BST
Honest , Ozy .  I know nothing about childrens books , my wife does , she buys them for our grandchildren .  I have a life outside the forums , sorry if that troubles you , I relate to family and friends . And I trust them more than Wikepedia .
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 7:34 PM BST
You are a pain in the hole.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 14, 2014 8:05 PM BST
The usual eloquence from Ozymandius.

Kelly some things for you to consider

You have a wife he has not
You have children he has not
You have grandchildren he has not

He has lived a lonely loveless life which is why he is so enraged by you.
Another poster with an idyllic lifestyle and good family is Workrider,on his hit list as well.
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 8:11 PM BST
The irony is I have as many (ex) wives as the two of you put together Cry.
Report kingrat October 14, 2014 8:24 PM BST
lord snooty never played the ball game lads,he's just 1 of those geezers that looked from afar.Shocked
Report kingrat October 14, 2014 8:26 PM BST
Laugh
Report Kelly October 14, 2014 8:29 PM BST
Wouldn't boast about having ex wives Ozy , might draw some snide remarks .
Report kingrat October 14, 2014 8:33 PM BST
steady kellsers,i'm going to put back  this geezer back in his box.Wink
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 8:35 PM BST
The only one boasting about having a wife in Borneo!  Any gobsh1te can have one or more.
Report kingrat October 14, 2014 8:38 PM BST
^^ a top class sleeveen!tbf
Report wildmanfromborneo October 14, 2014 8:48 PM BST
You made a vow broke it,made it again broke it again.

You obviously despite your non stop boasting failed to satisfy these two unfortunates.
Your sexual inadequacies have made you the bitter twisted man you are now.
Report Ozymandius October 14, 2014 8:51 PM BST
Laugh  FFS, this place gets more childlike by the day!
Report kingrat October 14, 2014 8:53 PM BST
Laugh

do u know what wildman?i actually buy  that.Shocked
Report kingrat October 14, 2014 9:00 PM BST
the problem with ozy is?he doesn't believe in any thing,he's a vacuum,emty!and thats sad.
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