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paulie wallnuts
19 Sep 14 20:18
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Maybe Wildman or anybody else could verify what happened......as what I have  is second hand although I would say its very close to being accurate.....
Apparently two bookies almost came to blows.....authorities had to be called to pacify the situation......one of the parties had a special needs chap fronting the operation.....and the other party seemed to take umbrage over possible encroachment......
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Report easygold September 21, 2014 12:22 PM BST
Hi Gotchee, Worried about Russian Maria Star, I backed her @ 9/1, K.Blake tips her@ 9/1 G.O.B tips her @4/1???? e/way????. . Time to trade out, maybe the small owners missed the price???????
Report The Gotchee September 21, 2014 12:48 PM BST
Time to trade out if you got 9s.
Still think Hoppsan is value at 6s. That will be punted for sure.
Report keen leader September 24, 2014 8:57 AM BST
this indeed was a shameful episode....bad enough to be  a "slave" functioning  firm, said operation then deploys a big chunk of lard to block out the neighbour....the neighbour should not have had to act, that is the job of the tax men....alas the ring is being diluted from within by such "slave" firms, not alone operating 2 or 3 pitches, but also putting most of it back into the machine instead of hedging into the ring....with the bookmakers meeting today in Kildare bound to focus on sp and sis, surely the only hope for survival of the independent traders is to stop  this slaving and stand up to the big guns(lads, pp) who want to now control the irish sp through the ring, what started out as an offcourse controlled sp at Dundalk, is now spreading to many other courses, for the benefit of the big firms and the detriment of the punter and the general betting ring( as many small bookies are dropping out)...the spectre of every board showing the exact same prices in irish rings is not good for the health of the on course game as fewer punters will play....say what you want about him, at least the likes of mccoubrey at down royal still has a go, and pays no attention to either the machine or other boards, is he a dying breed?.
Report tony57 September 24, 2014 9:50 AM BST
I don't know the bookie you mention KL, but he is a dying breed..i have a good friend who is a oncourse bookie here in the north west, Aintree, haydock, bangor, Carlisle, ponty, York,and occasionally, some of the smaller yorkshire tracks...all he does KL is what the machine indicates..he told me now and again he,ll stand a decent bet £3-4000,but most of the time he,ll put it back into the machine...his father owned 5 shops in Liverpool,..and was a top oncourse bookie in the 70s-80s before he died..but my mate just says them days are gone..and he says the punters are gone?..for e.g. @Aintree he is on the rails for all meetings..the grand national Saturday...he biggest bet was 1500, off a young local footballer,..the rest was 300-400 max,...he says punters are not on course no more..they all wont to stay at home on the machine?
Report paulie wallnuts September 24, 2014 4:03 PM BST
Id say that kind of bookie is very much a dying breed....the  game is unrecognisable from what it used be.....no business means that people cannot afford to take chances......the machine has ruined it for on course layers.....no margins and it has educated the masses.....
All we have now in a lot of cases is a bag of women out the front screaming .....with the so called bookie hiding ashamedly in the back.......
I know of one operator who milks his cows once a day and then rushes off to the races in a car worth about 300 euro....its only a matter of time before he goes broke but he's far too proud to pack it in......the great bookies of the past like Graham Rogers Meehan wouldd be turning in their graves if they could see some of these gooons....
Report johnslad September 25, 2014 6:40 AM BST
if ye dont know MC COUBREY ye wont find him doesnt trade under own name but will stand a bet
Report johnslad September 25, 2014 6:40 AM BST
S A
Report paulie wallnuts September 25, 2014 8:48 AM BST
Robert McCoubrey has traded under his own name for years....he bets in the 6 counties only.....
Report kavvie September 25, 2014 9:23 AM BST
agree with all thats said here.years ago i usta stay in the same house during tralee with two bookies.proper gents who would lay you a bet.no machine that time to be peering into everytime u laid a bet.ones name was ger hogan a tipp man i think.they usta tell me a few tales about what they laid the previous day etc.hair raising stuff.a grand then(25/30 yr ago) wouldnt even move a favourite..its sad now looking at the electronic robotic similiar boards.when u think of it whats the point of it all?a centralised system similar to australia would be easier and handier.(the totes a mess)
Report johnoo1 September 25, 2014 5:16 PM BST
had a bet in ascot on  face north to win the hunt cup think it was 1992 400k to12 cash on after he won the bookie asked me did i want cash and he was a sole trader it was my first bet with him  he gave up a few years ago there was some great bookies then not anymore
Report paulie wallnuts September 25, 2014 6:52 PM BST
I assume johnoo that royal hunt cup incident was a dream of some sort......
Report johnoo1 September 25, 2014 7:25 PM BST
that kind of betting was quite commen then the sp was still 25/1   i was on @33/1 i asked for and got the percentages  the year was 1994
Report paulie wallnuts September 25, 2014 7:54 PM BST
Maybe im taking it up wrong johnoo......and sincerest apologies if I am.....but my interpretation from what you wrote was that you had 12k on a 33/1 winner.....surely that's not right or maybe it is......
Report johnoo1 September 25, 2014 8:05 PM BST
yes that was the bet it is one of the biggest betting races of the year  it was not that uncommen then   i was in the curragh when the late terry rogers laid cill dara to lose 750k to a well known limerick punter
Report paulie wallnuts September 25, 2014 8:09 PM BST
Johnoo......I think its time you took a lie down......if the people with the white coats read this then you'd be taken away......don't worry I wont tell them.....
Report johnoo1 September 25, 2014 8:14 PM BST
u just dont know the game   try checking it out with some of the guys that were punting big back then     maybe it might open up your little world
Report paulie wallnuts September 25, 2014 8:22 PM BST
johnoo......you seem ok.....but your imagination is running wild......you are trying to tell us that you backed a horse to win 400k in one bet.....and the chappie wanted to pay you in cash....what did he say to his runner"throw me up me old mack there's 2 million in the inside pocket"....and as for the other bet and Terry Rogers laying a horse to lose 3/4 a million.....give us a break ffs.....
I must admit I kind of like old stories from the turf.....but please try and keep them some bit believable.....
Report johnoo1 September 25, 2014 8:51 PM BST
as i said try checking it out with some of the guys  then u can come on here and tell us u were wrong   there are still a few big punters out there    and still some big bets laid mostly on the football   while it was a little unuasel to lay a horse @ 33/1 i was a fairly well known punter @ the time on a bad run  he knew that but it was my first bet with him    as far as he asking me did i want cash he was just joking but i paid on in cash     o and by the way i did not end up broke like a few of the big punters @ that time   still have the odd bet but no buzz in it anymore
Report mitch leary September 25, 2014 10:48 PM BST
Hi Johnoo if you genuinely had that bet you should have retired. Buzz or no buzz you didn't need to be gambling again.
You don't expect people to swallow that.
Report The Gotchee September 25, 2014 11:07 PM BST
No reason to disbelieve johnoo, maybe jealously?
Report TradeFair September 26, 2014 12:46 AM BST
Firstly. If you win 400k you'll probably remember what year (1994) the race was.
I' used to keep the Racing Post results section for all the big UK flat meetings between 1993-1997.  I've dug out this race from the attic and the biggest bet laid in the ring wax £4,000-£120 each way (x2)

Perhaps the poster is rounding up to compare to today's money?
Report kincsem September 26, 2014 1:16 AM BST
IR£400k in 1994 would be IR£627,346 at the end of 2013 at the inflation rates since, or €796,730 (1.27 £ to €)
It is not impossible if the bookie spread the bet around the ring.

My big story was I borrowed £10 from my mother in 1975 when going to The Curragh and had the first four winners.  I gave her £20 out of the £80.  Krassata the first of the four.
Report TradeFair September 26, 2014 8:04 AM BST
Back in the good old days of the 90's bookmaking rings routinely laid horses to lose 800k in today's money and sent the horse off 25/1?

What am I missing? Perhaps bankers and property dealers were bookmakers back then?
Report kavvie September 26, 2014 5:35 PM BST
i seen a lad(who i know) having 800k on a bolger shortie ridden by c roche, not sure 80s or 90s.the horse was thyer or similar name .it got beat.common place them days.i also seen a lad getting paid 160k in cash one day in galway in the 80s.
Report kavvie September 26, 2014 5:35 PM BST
i seen a lad(who i know) having 800k on a bolger shortie ridden by c roche, not sure 80s or 90s.the horse was thyer or similar name .it got beat.common place them days.i also seen a lad getting paid 160k in cash one day in galway in the 80s.
Report kavvie September 26, 2014 5:38 PM BST
he only done it once!!
Report paulie wallnuts September 26, 2014 6:26 PM BST
As I said lads we all like tales of the turf.......but please try and keep them some way realistic......800k on a horse.....kavvie please......first we had 400k bets....then 800k.....its only a matter of time before the million pound barrier is smashed.....
Report kavvie September 26, 2014 8:22 PM BST
well if i met you i could tell you more...its all fact.
Report paulie wallnuts September 26, 2014 8:34 PM BST
Kavvie.... no disrespect to you and you may well think its a fact but its not......its more than likely a percentage of the figure you mention......and in all probability its a small one......
Report kavvie September 26, 2014 8:48 PM BST
ur funny paulie.i was there.
Report GANT007 September 26, 2014 8:51 PM BST
Kavvie.....If it wasn't on facebook or twitter come people think it's not true.
Report The Gotchee September 26, 2014 8:53 PM BST
paulie, I seen you bluffing and spoofing a few weeks back on the main forum saying you had thousands on a 40/1 shot. Go to bed ya waffler.

No reason to disbelieve kavvie, one of the most honest posters on the forum.
Report paulie wallnuts September 26, 2014 9:05 PM BST
Gobshee you absolute halfwit.....there is a big difference in having 1k on a 50/1 shot at the Cheltenham festival.....than having 800k on a horse in the ring in Ireland......go to bed ya absolute wannkka....
Report The Gotchee September 26, 2014 9:12 PM BST
You have shot down two honest posters for no reason at all. You strike me as a begrudging failure who has nothing to offer, only anger. Run along now.
Report GANT007 September 26, 2014 9:14 PM BST
Paulie is new to the racing game, give him some slack.
Report kavvie September 26, 2014 9:57 PM BST
dont mind him gant.i enjoy him and his rantings.and he often puts people in their place in a witty way...but i can honestly say all i said happened.if i told the full story of that time,and what was going on  it would be a best seller.but i cant!!.
Report johnoo1 September 26, 2014 10:36 PM BST
the thing about punting is it has to hurt when u lose   some people are lucky enough to have a lot of money therefore they bet bigger to get the buzz   it is not possible to get a big bet on in ireland  maybe @ the big meetings in england its a bit easier   the late freddie willxxx was laying horses to lose anything up to 1 million   3 years ago  i now get the buzz from breeding a nice horse  have 2 going to the sales next week hope to do well PG
Report huddys September 26, 2014 11:06 PM BST
Best of luck next week john with the sales.
Report johnoo1 September 26, 2014 11:14 PM BST
THANK YOU
Report Dan Chipowski September 27, 2014 1:51 AM BST
Some laughable tall tales on this thread. Laugh
Report Kerrygold September 27, 2014 9:30 AM BST
freddie williams got crushed....i think he wised up after a while but he had some near misses..could have been worse for him...

as far as whats been said here about huge bets been laid id believe it--these days there are still a few people getting on for the right sort of money...
Report tony57 September 27, 2014 1:47 PM BST
best of luck johnoo1!
Report johnoo1 September 27, 2014 3:01 PM BST
THANK YOU  tony57  the experts tell me i will do well but iam not so sure  had a good touch with a galileo 3 years ago losing since  hoping for the best PG
Report kavvie September 28, 2014 8:20 AM BST
best of luck johnoo its a hard unscientific game.i know it myself from the doggies!.. for every perfectly bred australia there will be 10  perfectly bred flops..
Report wildmanfromborneo October 2, 2014 8:36 PM BST
Johnoo has to be Rocketfingers,an absolute fantasist,a huge punter and now a very successful breeder.

Kavvies story about the 800 grand bet is in Rocketfingers territory as well and equally untrue.
Report Rocketfingers October 2, 2014 8:45 PM BST
Wildman looks up one of his many accounts bookmakers offer him and he see you can only get max bet €2000 on an even money fav in a race he then thinks this is the max anyone can get on and anyone else who says different is obvioulsy a fantasist.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 2, 2014 8:54 PM BST
You believe Johnoo had 12 grand on a 33/1 shot and the bookie offered to pay him cash.

You believe that Kavvie saw a punter having 800 grand on a horse in the Irish ring twenty odd years ago.

You believe that Johnoo is now a breeder specialising in Galileos.
Report Rocketfingers October 2, 2014 9:05 PM BST
Why don't you add in my one about €100k on a LOI match, you don't understand betting and the way people get money down wildman.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 2, 2014 9:07 PM BST
Any chance you would answer the three questions posed.
Report Rocketfingers October 2, 2014 9:10 PM BST
Sorry where are the questions you asked? You do realise to ask a question you need to use one of these '?', it's called a question mark and should be positioned at the end of your sentence.

Now if you want to ask me a question(s) please go ahead amigo. Cool
Report wildmanfromborneo October 2, 2014 9:13 PM BST
There are three questions posed in my post of 20.54,they are the ones I would like you to answer.
Report Rocketfingers October 2, 2014 9:17 PM BST
Those are statements from you about me, as i said if you want to ask a question please do so. I'm here for the next few hours or should be then i need to collect the little lady, so stop babbling and ask me what you want to ask but remember to use a question mark. Cool
Report wildmanfromborneo October 2, 2014 9:21 PM BST
Do you believe Johnoo had 12 grand on a 33/1 shot and the bookie offered to pay him in cash ?

Do you believe Kavvie saw a punter having 800 grand on a horse in Ireland twenty odd years ago ?

Do you believe Johnoo is now a breeder selling horses by Galileo ?
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y October 2, 2014 9:33 PM BST
Does Rocketfingers have a midget fetish?? Confused always commenting about little ladies
Report Rocketfingers October 2, 2014 9:37 PM BST
Excellent, now was that difficult? To answer all your questions, no.

PF no harm if i did is there?
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y October 2, 2014 9:40 PM BST
no harm at all, each to their own
Report pa lapsy October 2, 2014 10:21 PM BST
Thought you would be more into a hefty mare myself "Tubbsy" Laugh
Report paulie wallnuts October 3, 2014 10:38 AM BST
Think kavvie needs to have a good chat with himself after reading this......I think its fairly clear that nobody believed the 800k play....it was a fairly tall one in all honesty.....
I think johnoo was just having a laugh.....it was only that moron the gobshee who really fell for his one.....
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 10:56 AM BST
well if theres any one wants to make it worth my while re the 800k bet say a grand i will prove it to them providing  theres anomnity with names etc here.you see what ratty gets up to etc.im surprised no one came on to verify it.it was the stuff of legend for a few years aound that time.i mentioned the horses name so it should have rang a bell with someone maybe.is there no one here who seen the rings operate in them days?noel furlong?barney himself? six figure bets were a weekly occurance.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 11:14 AM BST
Not talking about the ring but regarding getting money on 12-15 years ago in the era you are on about Kavvie, trying to get 10k on meant in Cork going around 30 bookies,often going in 2 or 3 times with lesser,they won't take more than a few hundred at a general push and it would be the talk of the town.
Some sentence from you that 6 figure bets were a weekly occurance,love to know who took them,believe myself that only way was to spread it unless you were a total loser the books wouldn,t want to know a large some and particulary from someone like Barney( lay bananas quote) or Noel Furlong.
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 11:41 AM BST
mulligan rogers graham would be 3 names off hand that would have took them.  see what workirder has to say about what im on about? i seen terry rogers take upwards of 20 5 figure bets one day in the curragh on a 6/4 shot before he moved it to 11/8...it lost
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 11:43 AM BST
how much used furlong bet?  tim o toole?  and countless other poor people who were bled dry.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 11:56 AM BST
Can we clarify what year we are talking about kavvie? I believe in your post you said 80's or 90's which is very vague.
Report paulie wallnuts October 3, 2014 12:01 PM BST
Kavvie.....your imagination is running wild.....im trying not to be too critical here but what you are writing here is a load of Shiite.....you are saying that terry rogers took 200k out of a horse at 6/4 without taking the price off the board......get a grip to yourself.....you are embarrassing yourself here....
If somebody as you suggested had 800k on a horse in the ring in Ireland.....it was struck by a person who hadn't a notion of paying.....with another gentleman who hadn't a notion of paying.....so therefore it wasn't a bet at all.....
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 12:18 PM BST
80s and  early 90s oz..not vague at all.the ring was strong them times..paulie your repeating yourself.u keep saying what im saying isnt true.it either is or it isnt.why do you keep repeating you dont believe it.i said it once and ill stand by it.do u think if u keep saying it it will get less true or what?  i know who it was sruck by,i know the bookie,i know the horse. i know the jockey also.  now im not speaking again on it.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 12:21 PM BST
Tell us the year then.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 12:41 PM BST
Anyone who passes on their name and details to the likes of Kingrat in the hopes of him slipping you a grand has officially joined the 'naieve and gullible club'.  Judging by this thread not the first time you have been fed porkies and swallowed them whole.
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 12:41 PM BST
cant remember what year.horse was called thyer or similar.second.ridden by one c roche.the horse was on the cover of the irish racing annual either that year or the previous year.i still have the annal somewhere in the attic in my mothers house..the spelling is the thing thats getting me..
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 12:47 PM BST
didnt know he was such a fcuk up at the time.if me and u had a bet here and i owed you a grand and u pmed me ur adress and name would u expect me to spout in all over here?i know lots of posters names but id never say them here.ur dealing with an unusual individual in ratty
Report dj876 October 3, 2014 12:47 PM BST
8th August 1992 at Leopardstown wore blinkers apparently and was second of seven at odds of 4/6 ?

http://www.irishracing.com/horse?name=Thyer&prt=97892
Report Rocketfingers October 3, 2014 1:40 PM BST
Wildman owes you an apology kavvie Laugh
Report keen leader October 3, 2014 2:06 PM BST
the moral of the story is you can have what you want on with a bookie, as long as said bookie knows the horse is a dead one.

a true story from the past. a leading jockey on his way to leopardstown races dropped into st vincents hospital to pay a visit to an old pal( a good punter and businessman from west offaly man). At the end of the visit jockey says he will win race x tonight. an hour later the son of the hospital patient drops in to see his father and the tip is passed on. son goes down to foxrock, sees 6/4 printed on the board of a "leading" former layer, and has a 60-40k in credit(family was good for the money). 2 minutes later, same bookie has 7/4 on his board, and punter has another 20k on.

horse gets no ride, finishes second. later that night the hospital patient rings the jockey and gives him a piece of his mind. jockeys apologises, says there was a "change of plan" pre race. jockey contacts layer, the 2 bets are scrubbed.

said layer and to a lesser extent, jockey, were high profile, layer a position filler on "boards". "monet"...as I say, moral of the story.
Report Rocketfingers October 3, 2014 2:11 PM BST
Some great tales on this thread Happy, love to see the reaction of wildman, certainly won't be able to get his tiny mind around KL's story.
Report tony57 October 3, 2014 4:23 PM BST
oz..I have to say your attitude towards kavie giving that scumbag his name  etc..I find baffling?..you were close to this rat for a while..if someone asks you for your details on the premise to pay a debt..i think most people would give it?
Report tony57 October 3, 2014 4:23 PM BST
great story kl..
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 4:36 PM BST
tony to be fair it doesn't take a whole lot to baffle you.

Everyone warned kavvie not to bet with him, everyone knew he had previous.  I personally wouldn't be giving up my personal details in that scenario.
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 5:39 PM BST
so if we had a bet  oz how would i pay u ?  unless we met up..which i want going to do.and ur quick to insult people also.why is that?  tonys a shrewd punter and very well respected on here..
Report kavvie October 3, 2014 5:57 PM BST
wow..with pleasure oz!!
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 6:11 PM BST
Take a running jump Ozymandius,you are some bully boy,shocking manners and behaviour from ya.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 6:16 PM BST
For a man who spend his life on a building site, Pa, you are very easily offended by the f word.  Pull yourself together man.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 6:23 PM BST
Your manner is shocking and wouldn't be tolerated on a building site,nothing to do with swearing but your big up your own arris attitude and quick to try and run anyone down.change tack biy the people you are running down are on a different(better) level than you,keep deluding yourself.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 6:25 PM BST
You are a quivering mess, Pa.  Take some more time out, its not nice to see you reduced to this.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 6:29 PM BST
Your 17.55 post stinks of a bad day,your post not mine, i'm grand and not telling anyone to fook off a public forum.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 6:35 PM BST
i cant see the post you are refering to.  Strange neither can you.  You must have taken note of the time of it when you clicked the 'tout', sorry, 'report' button Grin

Imagine, a post reported and removed for the use of the word feck.  Pathetic really.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 6:41 PM BST
Nothing pathetic at all about it as it wasn,t the word but the badness of the post in general, not reported by me either as you are wrongly alluding to but never mind.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 6:47 PM BST
badness?

* By stating u should not take a bet on here from someone and especially someone untrustwothy
* By stating that Tony was not a shwred punter and would'nt even claim to be.

Pull yourself together.  You know and I know that this is all about the fact that you are still sore from the filleting I gave you a couple of weeks ago. You clearly haven't gotten over it yet.  Seething is the expression I believe.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 6:54 PM BST
You are pitiful,"now fook off" you said to Kavvie,honestly who do you think you are?,no seething or anything,just can't believe your attitude.
Report GANT007 October 3, 2014 6:56 PM BST
Pull yourself together.  You know and I know that this is all about the fact that you are still sore from the filleting I gave you a couple of weeks ago. You clearly haven't gotten over it yet.  Seething is the expression I believe.


Ozy........Are you taking quotes from the book of Rockefingers.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 6:57 PM BST
what the big deal?  'feck off and get to bed ya clown ya' is heard here on a daily basis and not a murmur out of you?

All I said was 'feck off and don't be annoying me'.  Big swinging mickey.

Now feck off Pa, and don't be annoying me.
Report GANT007 October 3, 2014 6:59 PM BST
Pa........You have him rattled.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 7:06 PM BST
Howareya Gant? Not my intention whatsoever to rattle the man,just thought who does he think he is to to have that attitude? Kavvies 17.57 response says it all,he was stunned by the venom of the attack for no reason i can see. If you talked liked that to anyone face to face you couldn't complain if you got a dawk.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 7:09 PM BST
Venom my hole.  Man up, Lapsy.  This is a gathering of hary arsed gambling enthusiasts, Pa.  If you want gentile coffee mornings, try Mumsnet.
Report GANT007 October 3, 2014 7:10 PM BST
Pa....His type are all over the place.
Report GANT007 October 3, 2014 7:12 PM BST
Ozy....The gambling threads are long gone....destroyed.
If people are lonely, I hear twitter is the place to go.
Report Ozymandius October 3, 2014 7:14 PM BST
Tinder actually Gant, but then I wouldn't expect you to have your finger on the pulse.
Report GANT007 October 3, 2014 7:20 PM BST
It's far nicer to be out and about.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 7:20 PM BST
I know Gant, theres a lot out there that hate the scousers,fellas that worked on building sites,and people that were unfortunately NAIVE(yep Oz write that one down next to ya)with their details,surely they as a collective group shouldn't be vilified in the manner of that 17.55 post and other posts. Tisn't a good world at times.
Report GANT007 October 3, 2014 7:24 PM BST
To be fair to the chap it probably aint easy trawling online for chats.
Report pa lapsy October 3, 2014 7:29 PM BST
He could always try the langer forum Gant.
Report wildmanfromborneo October 3, 2014 9:54 PM BST
Keen Leaders story is obviously about Otter head,his most famous marbh one was The Wee Mite at Navan many years ago.

I would take up Kavvies bet on the veracity of the 800 grand bet.
Its not that Kavvie is lying its more likely the bettor did a bit of exaggeration but with regards the bets he heard Terry Rogers laying they were either " blue bets " or he misheard.

The three bookmakers he mentioned were not big layers as such.
Terry Rogers was a PR man and well known but was risk averse,he bet without the favourite and bet doubles a sure sign of a man not wanting to deal with big punters.
Sean Graham was innovative and skilled but again not known for striking big bets.
Jim Mulligan would strike decent bets but nothing like Kavvie thinks.

The punters Kavvie mentioned wouldn't agree about the big bets being struck.
Barney Curley raised hell in Galway when he couldn't get on Magic Combination " they wouldn't lay two bananas two one " he cried.

In the eighties the only three bookmakers to go to for big bets were Des Fox ( the best of them all ) David Power and Pat OHare.
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