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Probably . Glad it was not an Irish course otherwise you can imagine the headlines !
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Absolute joke there!
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That will certainly leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Ruined the race. |
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Not sure he was robbed, may or may not have made a difference to the result but that was not satisfactory, it was farcical
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10/1 I had him at just before the Tingle Creek
Fcuking raging here - I'm fit to kill someone |
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A shambles. Pocket lighter too.
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Absolute shambles. They had a full circuit to sort out the final fence and they left one flagman OUTSIDE the rail?
Joke. |
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Sizing is all about jumping taking lengths out of the opposition - think of how he broke big zebs heart with the jump at the last this time last yr- the fence ommitted undoubtedly cost him the race (admittedly he jumped the 3rd last wrong)! he jumps ands gallops and is not suited to a sustained sprint
absolutely disgraceful and yes its pocket talking |
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Why in the name of Christ did they leave half the fence completely clear?
Just one board or marker or flagman and there wouldn't have been a problem. |
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He was unlucky too, left in front way too soon
Once the last fence was omitted he was always going to be there to be picked off in the run-in |
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Cost me big . Terrible indecision . Glad they weren't Irish lads , otherwise...
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total farce,sorry for De Bromhead and Lynch who wasn,t sure whether to jump it,a few traffic cones or tape on the outside of the last at 45% angle simple, desperately unlucky for backers as well.
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And just deny any culpability , spokesperson . But we are used to that from certain quarters . Absolute shambles .
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The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by A.E Lynch, the rider of SIZING EUROPE, placed second, on the run in. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had used his whip in an incorrect place. The Stewards suspended Lynch for 6 days as follows: Wednesday 28, Thursday 29, Friday 30 and Saturday 31 March and Sunday 1 and Monday 2 April
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Lynch gets 6 days for the whip on top of that,you couldn,t make it up.
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Shambles is the word Kelly. What is it with bypassing in Britain? The last two fences are very close together. Clearly not nearly as close as Galway but if either of the last two fences in Ballybrit is to be omitted, neither fence is jumped. Perhaps they will look at that amongst other things.
A flagman who is not afraid of horses would be a help as well! |
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Did ye see them reviewing it on RTE where they showed footage of fellas starting to put up the marker boards across the fence - that would have helped the jocks a bit better than one bloody flagman.
And another thing, strange that allowed every photographer to be positioned on a railing running parallel to the fence-usually, they move the rail in just after the fence to allow for a faller, not done this time at the last 2 fences. No wonder the photographer got a belt of a horse. |
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after watching the finish a few times, I am fully convinced that Andrew gave s.e. a breather to conserve a bit for the hill and that let f.r to within a length. Im sure he thought it was in the bag. A total shambles though and you really have to feel for Andrew, especially for getting a ban to boot. I bet he feels like it was having to pay to get into a concentration camp.
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my guess is that the attendants (and instruction-giver) at the last fence wanted the horses to jump the last (thats why only a few yards dolled off and the flag being waved inside rail) and geraghty intended to until lynch decided he was being told to omit.
shambles |
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Henry de Bromhead
Good to hear those involved in the incident are ok but overall a very disappointing way to end the Queen Mother Champion Chase. Andrew said it cost him the race |
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Andrew Lynch should have jumped the fence and then let them decide..... not Lynch's best ride either imho.. oh pocket talking
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I think this is pockets talking guys. the explanation that they were concerned about injured humans at the other side of fence sounds completely reasonable. to say they could jump half the fence is not logical and would have put jockeys and horses in potential danger. I had bet SE and I do believe he would have won, but what can you do. Had a lathe bet on Monksland also, and his race was compromised too, but that is jumps racing.
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I think this is pockets talking guys. the explanation that they were concerned about injured humans at the other side of fence sounds completely reasonable. to say they could jump half the fence is not logical and would have put jockeys and horses in potential danger. I had bet SE and I do believe he would have won, but what can you do. Had a lathe bet on Monksland also, and his race was compromised too, but that is jumps racing.
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1) A shambles. Heads should roll.
2) Not sure it made a difference. 3) Lynch banned and Geraghty not. No sense there. |
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even if guy with flag had stood in front of last fence,ffs what a mess
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Not sure how anybody can say it cost the horse the race. Finian's was drawing away from Sizing at the end, sizing still had the inside line going around the last fence, ****s just had too much gears imo.
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What's the '*' for ?
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Yeah, I thought FR just had that extra kick in him. Even after the mix up Sizing was a good half length up and FR caught him.
I'd backed Big Zeb so my pocket talking had ended from about 4 jumps out. Finians Rainbow was underestimated because it was not Sprinter Sacre and not the best two miler in the Henderson yard. While not as fluent a jumper as Sizing he battled well. The ban for Lynch is utterly ridiculous though and that the course didn't seem prepared for an eventuality like this is not good. |
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No blame can be attached to either of the jockeys , they were let down by the inefficiency of those taking decisions at the last fence . For that to happen at the premier event in jumpimg and possibly affect the outcome of one of the most important races in the calendar is ludicrous , and someone should be taken to task for it . Someone made a mess , only people who suffered ( apart possibly from us punters ) were the connections and rider of Sizing Europe . To impose a ban on the jockey in the fraught circumstances involved shows the lack of "political " thinking prevalent in the jurisdiction responsible for running racing in UK . Just another shambolic happening .
Plus someone appears on TV to justify having not even held an enquiry as to what happened . Any happening which could be materially responsible for changing the course or result of a race should be investigated , thats what stewards are there for . |
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****ing Chemical Nicky!!!!!!!
Hates us Irish. |
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If you think it was a shambles can you imagine if the two jockeys had not seen the dude with the flag until it was to late[ just as well it was only a small field] at the end of the day the only two people who where injured was R.J. and the french Photographer and maybe any punters who had there wages on S.E. i lost a ton my self on the race
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Shambles. Geraghty saying that only inside of fence was dolled off and he thought they were to jump the outer part of the fence.On first viewing I thought it made no difference to the result but ive looked at it a few times and SE jumped the 2nd last a length and a half in front and it was only when the barging started that FR got on top. Think SE would have won and yes- SE my biggest bet so far this week.
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Fair play to Lynch for copping on in time. Top jock.
Trainer went way up in my estimation too. Handled himself very well in the aftermath given the significance of the blunder. Racing will have lost a few more punters today after that joke, and rightly so. Absolute shambles. |
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100% agree with you giant.
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Sizing is all about jumping and galloping. Once Lynch had to make that manoeuvre to go around the fence the race was lost as he lost all momentum and will never win in a head to head sprint as he has no change of gear. Never mind the fact he might have took half a length or more out of Finians rainbow at the last. I backed Finians rainbow for small money but was heartbroken to see the champ beaten
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Btw, that suspension is ****ing ludicrous.
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Just looking at it again,SE lost about 3l at the 3rd last,if he jumped that well FR would probably have to have been ridden to get him.
Looks to me about a fifth at most a quarter of the fence was dolled off on the inside with the 3 fence dolls piled on top of each other.even if they put 2 dolls and the other one next to it,it would have been clear. Lynch you could see was in a quandry and considered jumping it.(can see that on the slo-mo at the end)ended up having to pull SE to go around. No pocket talking as i didn,t do him.. The course mangement (lindley + co ) made a total mess of a simple job and hadn,t the decency to acknowledge it. |
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In certain societies it is ingrained that those in authority never make mistakes . And if they do they wont admit it . Sometimes for longer than some peoples lifetimes . Twas always thus , sign of weakness to admit mistakes .
Can connections lodge objections these days ? Had I been part of Sizings entourage I would have , given that an argument could have been made that my racing line was impeded by the eventual winner . The objection would then have to have been taken under consideration , could not have been judged frivolous , given that it would have been very hard to define what the racing line was in the circumstances . Barry was in the box seat as it happened , little blame could be attached to him given the hand he was dealt , but at least the incident would not have been brushed under the carpet . Trainer took the matter very sportingly , would not have been so sanguine about it if it had been me . |
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As a follow up to the racing line point , would Barry have been entitled to steer his horse just towards the outside of the last jump , thereby forcing Andrew Lynch to check his horse , forfeiting the race , with the only possibility being to try and win by coming from two or three lengths down after such a manoeuvre .
Jump racing is a dangerous enough sport without courses having undefined procedures for circumstances which change the actual course to be followed . Waving flags at people travelling at 40 mph on tired horses just after they have jumped the previous fence does not allow much time for decision making on the jockeys part . Particularly if the guy waving the flag is adjacent to the running rail . Anyone familiar with Cheltenham knows that facing up the hill and into thousands of spectators lining the rails is daunting . Having about 2 seconds to assess what to do when (possibly) catching sight of someone waving a flag about 80 yards away with that as a background is a scary scenario . The 2 jockeys concerned should have given something memorable for surviving the incident , Barry I suppose got a win , Andrew 6 days . Natural justice ? |
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A bit of a biased thread, nobody seems to have noticed that FR wasn't exactly helped by Lynch forcing Barrys horse out in the bumping and barging match that insued to some with the green glasses on only SE was inconvenienced?.
Barry almost certainly never seen the flag or the doll boards as he would have been obscured from view by SE and Andrew Lynch, I think Barry thought Andrew was deliberately trying to force him out as he seemed to try and push Andrew back in. Yes a farcical situation but neither horse was any more inconvenienced by it than the other To say SE would have won is grasping at straws, once a horse was anyway close to him coming to the last he was always going to struggle, as he's been a notorious weak finisher down the years, if they went a bit Further FR would have been much further clear at the line, great cruising speed and jumper but virtually no turn of foot. A couple of years ago in the Arkle his superior jumping had afforded him what seemed an unasailable lead as it turned out it was, but only just!, the horse was in dire need of the line as Somersby came charging up the hill. Sizing Europe is a good horse but as 2 mile superstars go he would be pretty low down on my list, in fact I think he's incredibly overrated!. Sprinter Sacre would have had that lot for breakfast yesterday as would many other past winners of the 2 mile championship. As for the whip ban it might seem a little churlish after the balls up but its a totally separate issue. |