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17 Feb 10 18:25
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Race 1) Gates Of Rome. This very consistent sort got touched off by Kings Bastion ( 200/1 BF) on Stephens Day at Leopardstown. He should get home in this weak contest.

Race 2) Some Target. Hurdling debutant Some Target can win another weak contest having won a bumper at Limerick at the end of last month.

Race 3) Whatsabillion. Norn Iron tipped up this at 50/1 LTO. Just got chinned by Hidden Crack. 12 lengths clear of the 3rd, he should have his day here.

Race 4) No Selection. Norn was in form again today. Let's side with him.

Race 5) Quiscover Fontaine. Emmett Mullins maintains his very succesful p/ship on this smart chasing prospect. Won well on his chase debut in what looked a poor race at Limerick last month.

Race 6) The Midnight Club (Lay up to 2/1) This horse is proving very costly to punters. LTO he went down to Jagoes Mills in Thurles.

Race 7) Gentleman Jim. Paul Townend is a serious plus on this gelding. He has plenty of experience. LTO he went 2's on in running when 3rd to Got The Urge at Limerick.

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By:
norn iron
When: 17 Feb 10 18:40
NO PRESSURE THEN :^0
By:
applehunter
When: 17 Feb 10 18:42
Colls Corner in the last could do with further but will still be in contention.
By:
norn iron
When: 17 Feb 10 18:55
1 GATES OF ROME DANGER THE FROSTED GRAPE ( EVENS WOULD BE NICE PRICE )
2 FENNIS BOY EW NB
3 WHATSABILLION . EW SPRING WINE
4 JACKS ISLAND. EW JOHNNY GONZALEZ
5 QIUSCOVER FONTAINE NAP
6 QUARTETTO EW SHUD RUN WELL IF OVER BAD FALL @MAZE
7 ROSSBEIGH EW
GOOD LUCK PUNTERS
By:
allways collects
When: 17 Feb 10 19:14
Was fancying MOUNTAIN HEATHER in 4th anybody agree??
By:
norn iron
When: 17 Feb 10 19:17
VERY OPEN RACE M8 JUST GO FOR IT OR WAIT AN SEE WHAT SHREWDIE BJG TIPS
By:
allways collects
When: 17 Feb 10 19:21
Only one shrewdie on here Norn from what i have seen over the last couple of weeks
I would have to say you know your stuff
Cheers for the opinion
GL TOMORROW
By:
downallstar
When: 17 Feb 10 19:25
allways - Mountain Heather would def look to have a good ew chance tomorrow, was going well the last day until slipping up.
If you're not an ew player, its def a back to lay!
GL.
By:
BJG
When: 17 Feb 10 19:38
3.25 -Nap- Rock County e/w, really think this is a winner in waiting - ran a stormer 2 runs ago wen 5th to Kylebeg Krystle and would have been a lot closer only for a bad mistake at the last - last time travelled very well traded at 2/1 ir a long way out but didnt get home on very testing ground- ground should be a bit better tomorrow and has solid e/w claims imo - Mountain Heather a big danger though, slipped up when still in contention lto

1.55 -nb- Gates of Rome, been placed on his 3 hurdle starts and sets a decent standard in a poor affair, wil prove tough to beat

2.25 - Some Target his bumper win lto has worked out well with the 2nd hosing up Sunday- sets the standard here and can make a winning hurdles debut

5.05 - Bundle of Fun e/w a speculative punt at a price, was pulled up at Uttoxeter last time but b4 that was a sold 3rd behind Topofthemorningtoyou at Naas only beaten 1l, wen the front 3 pulled a mile clear and will go on the ground
By:
allways collects
When: 17 Feb 10 19:39
ALLSTAR; i will be playing EW tomorrow but my luck recently is unreal bad.
Had biggest bet of the year the other day on Marlay Park i need say no more.
Today was very keen on Smokin Aces got delayed and missed the race seen the prices he matched feel very unwell, and was not a fan of the fav in the bumper seen him work recently didn't do anything for me,but after missing earlier winner got thick with myself and didn't lay.
So all in all having a bad few weeks and very low on confidence,not too easy to wade in when you thinking like that
By:
An Mhi
When: 17 Feb 10 20:01
black alpine will beat gates of Rome,GOR has no progressed and really should have won the last day on punchestown form. Happy to take on wih Ruby
By:
norn iron
When: 17 Feb 10 20:03
ALWAYS COLLECTS , ILL SAY THIS ON THE IRISH FORUM THEIR IS SOME REAL SERIOUS GOOD JUDGES AN THEY ALL WORTH RESPECT AN THEY DONT GIVE STICK WEN U FAIL LIKE ON THE HORSE RACING FORUM , THEY GIVE GREAT INFORMED WRITE UPS ( ILL HAVE GET LESSONS IN CUT & PASTE ) IM JUST LUCKY THAT IM ON ON GOOD RUN BUT HAVE TOO SAY MARLAY PARK FALLING COST ME BIGTIME . NEVER SEEN SMOKING ACES RACE BUT COMMENTARY ALWAYS HAD HIM IN FIRST 3 SO HOW THER WAS 11£ MATCHED @1000 IS BEYOND ME MADE ME FEEL SICK GETN 30 :( AND THE BEST TIP I EVER GIVE ANYONE IS GO WITH YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT , GOOD LUCK M8 PS AND FAIR PLAY THEM THEY NEVER GIVE OFF ABOUT MY caps lock :^)
By:
soldieroffortune
When: 17 Feb 10 20:09
norn iron 17 Feb 21:03

...... ILL SAY THIS ON THE IRISH FORUM THEIR IS SOME REAL SERIOUS GOOD JUDGES AN THEY ALL WORTH RESPECT AN THEY DONT GIVE STICK WEN U FAIL LIKE ON THE HORSE RACING FORUM , THEY GIVE GREAT INFORMED WRITE UPS ......

norn hope all is well my friend. Hey in that write up there clearly you wouldn't be talking about workrider :^0
By:
norn iron
When: 17 Feb 10 20:16
SOF :^0 AS MY LATE FATHER SAID OPINIONS ARE LIKE AR$EHOLES EVERYONE HAS TOO HAVE ONE. HAVE TOO SAY IN FAIRNESS SOME GREAT CRAIC ON IRISH FORUM . ITS GREAT WHEN SOAPP AN BJG 2 OR 3 OTHERS JUST CANT REMEMBER THERE NAMES AN ALL REST WEN THEY DO WRITE UPS AS GIVES LOTS CLUES , U HAVN ANY LUK M8?
By:
the jigger
When: 17 Feb 10 20:18
[b]1.55 Frosted Grape This looks a two horse race between himself and Gates of Rome.But the nod goes to the selection due to the age allowances he receives.The form of his last race was given a good boost with Ned of the Hill winning NTO.
2.25 No Bet
2.55 Knockbrack Vic E/WIf reproducing her run behind Monty Blue two runs back this mare is well capable of winning this.She is also taking a drop down in class as that was an 81-123 that day and it is only an 81-109 tomorrow.
3.25 No Bet[/b]
4.00 Quiscover FontaineHe should be winning this race pretty easily as WhatUthink doesn't seem to be anywhere near as good a horse over fences as he was over hurdles.
4.35 The Midnight Club This is looking like his easiest chance yet to get his first win over fences and Jagoes Mills proved it was no fluke beating him by winning NTO.
5.05 No Bet
By:
soldieroffortune
When: 17 Feb 10 20:26
Yeh really enjoy this Forum norn, as you say some great write ups. Well done to you on your good run lately, long may it continue.

I must say I'm more of a Flat racer than a Jumps man but I read plenty of views on here and I have a bet as a result. Thanks to you and many others for the valuable insight :)
By:
workrider
When: 17 Feb 10 20:30
sof, what you on about :^0
By:
Allduckornodinner
When: 17 Feb 10 20:32
Tricky enough card there tomoro. The only ones sticking out to me are Some Target (no explanation needed) and Quiscover Fontaine (was never a massive fan of him and have done ok laying him in the past but I was very taking with his fencing in Limerick and sghould have the gears for tomoros opposition).

I just Alan Sweetman doesn't tip them. That man could stop a train going down Killimanjiro!! How he has the job as main Irish tipster in the post is beyond me. Never tips anything bigger than 2's in it. I mean picking winners isn't easy but what he does isn't even tipping to be fair.

Anyway the main bet for tomoro is Classic Cut in Kelso. He was reasonably progressive last year in his first season, winning a staying maiden hurdle at Kelso and a good third in a decent novice at Perth. He made his chasing debut over an inadaqute trip in Carlisle (possibly the wrong way round too) and followed this up with a much better effort chasing home Door Boy (good run n defeat since) and Fabalu (good winner since). He was doing all his best work at the end and the extra furlong should suit. His jumping was a bit sloppy early on but it got better as the race heated up which is a good sign and the experiece and the run should put him spot on after the big freeze interruption. There appear to be only two real challengers. However Blue Shark, while shaping better last time, looks a light of other days and Double Default has his own problems. Overall I think Classic Cut is a very likely winner at about the 13/8 mark.

Be Lucky!!!
By:
3winnersandasecond
When: 17 Feb 10 21:09
Soapp,
Surprised to see you describe race 2 as a weak contest!
G tmoro if you're travelling...
By:
Eye Mall Inn
When: 17 Feb 10 21:48
I've the same nap as BJG, RP price would do fine. Rossbeigh, The Midnight Club and Frosted Grape too.
By:
Eye Mall Inn
When: 17 Feb 10 21:55
Some Target far bigger here than envisaged in Post in dire race
By:
guru m
When: 17 Feb 10 21:55
Allduckornodinner...how could u get it so wrong about Sweetman?..he is way ahead of any other pundit on the irish scene.Also,cant see how u made money laying Q.Fontaine,as he has won 5 of his seven races so far!
By:
Frank The Tank
When: 17 Feb 10 22:00
Slightly ironic you berating Alan for tipping up anything below 2/1 and you put forward 2 selections forecast 2/5 and 13/8 respectively!
By:
chopper636
When: 17 Feb 10 22:12
Some Target a lot bigger here but it was similar with Flat out 2day. Personally I think Some Target is as slow as a boat and needs bout 4 miles. I laid him last time in his bumper and got stung but im going to stick to it as felt that bumper there were a few non jiggers
By:
Distant View
When: 17 Feb 10 22:15
Interesting to see some further comment on Marlay Park contained in this thread from the on-fire Norn.

Brian Fleming also made the comment that he was in command when coming down at the last.

Am I the only one that is far from convinced that he would have won? If I had to price it I would say 1/2 Last of the Leaders would have beaten this bridle merchant, but we will never know.

Trip not ideal for Quiscover but the finish should and it would be disappointing if he cannot win here, especially given the dip in form of Whatuthink?

I still harbour the suspicion that The Midnight Club is being campaigned with the NH chase in mind or maybe the Irish National (where young Emmet could ride). If it is the former, then picking up a penalty is of no benefit to him, but he could win this race without doing anything to his handicap mark for races such as the Irish National or WH Handicap Chase.

There was not too much wrong with the last display but he needs a much more aggressive ride over this trip if he is to prevail.
By:
downallstar
When: 17 Feb 10 22:35
Think he was 1.03 ir DV.
By:
Distant View
When: 17 Feb 10 23:02
I don't think he was at that at the time of exit. About 20 yards before the flight may have been when he touched his lowest. I just checked and cannot believe he made it down to 1.04, but he did.

The other lad stayed on strongly after the last and finished pretty fresh, so it is hard to be dogmatic about it. I thought Marlay Park was going to win between the last two alright but I had changed my mind when they jumped the last. I had laid the winner in running so Marlay Park winning was a better result for me.
By:
chopper636
When: 17 Feb 10 23:16
I think its a no brainer that Midnight club is being aimed at NH case, Just hasnt gone to plan
By:
yourbestmate
When: 17 Feb 10 23:19
If the plan is to run there, then it is always best to give them the best possible chance and get in off the lightest weight.

There is a penalty for any horse that has won a novice chase, so I think he would get 4lb from previous winners if he went there without a chasing victory under his belt.

Emmett cannot ride him in that so whether this is a crucial part of anyt decision, I don;t know.
By:
Distant View
When: 17 Feb 10 23:24
Young Mullins not riding could be a factor alright, but if Jamie Codd is available then he is as good as there is in these amateur races. His ride last year on Character Building was sensational, but I don't know if he rides for Willie thee days. Using the best available would probably be Willie's plan so Codd would fit the bill.

Interesting to see the comment on Some Target earlier. He could be a pretty decent staying hurdler and bracketing him in the Eider Chase category is a bit hasty.

Smoking Aces smacked of Coral Cup today, although the Pertemps would suit this stayer even better.
By:
chopper636
When: 17 Feb 10 23:26
I wasnt aware of the penalty. No if he goes in NH Patrick Mullins will be riding emmett wouldnt qualify
By:
Allduckornodinner
When: 18 Feb 10 08:14
Guru M how can you put sweetman ahead of the likes of garry o' brien. His tipping has no imagination. I mean like yesterday he tipped a newcomer that was always likely to be very short based on reputation. It's one of the first times ive ever seen a respected pundit put up a newcomer in a proper tipping column in the post. Even last sunday he picked out Lastoftheleaders in the spotlight and still wouldn't put him up in the tipping part of it. I don't understand how he works at all anyway. As for quiscover I have laid him 3 times. Laid him on his hurdling debut, again when he ran poor behind clan tara in thurles and then a day when he won in limerick.

Frank you obviously don't understand irony but I think hypocritical is the word you were looking for. I regularily put up biggish price fancies on here when I identify them. However today I only really fancy 2 or 3 that happen to be short. Anyway i'm not a professional pundit getting paid to inform punters about anything other than the glaringly obvious.
By:
Eye Mall Inn
When: 18 Feb 10 08:20
16s Rock County with Lads will hardly last.
By:
norn iron
When: 18 Feb 10 08:33
EMI AGREE AS BJG SAID THIS WAS EYECATCHER SO COULD WELL GO OFF ABOUT 6/1 OR LESS . THIS IS WHY IRISH FORUM IS SUPERB YOU GET GET DEBATE AN WRITE UPS AN VERY LITTLE FALLING OUT AS EVERYONE ENTITLED TOO THEIR OPINION . HOPE WHATUTHINK RUNS BETTER TODAY WITH MOST EYES ON QUISCOVER FONTAINE WHO COULD BE BIT SPECIAL
By:
downallstar
When: 18 Feb 10 08:36
DV - he def wasn't 1.03 before jumping, esp with a couple of horses besides him. Rarely see a horse go below 1.1 - 1.12 before jumping the last.
He did fall about 4 strides after the last when looking home for all money.
By:
norn iron
When: 18 Feb 10 08:49
DAS NEVER SEEN MARLAY RACE, M8 SAID IT DEFF WUD WON WHAT U THINK?
By:
downallstar
When: 18 Feb 10 08:56
Would have won fairly easy NORN.
By:
downallstar
When: 18 Feb 10 09:10
1.55 - No bet.
2.25 - Some Slam - I'd back at 4/5 or bigger.
2.55 - No bet.
3.25 - Mountain Heather - back to lay. Backed Jacks Island lto, might add a saver?
4.00 - If Whatuthink could get his jumping together he'd wipe the floor with these, but after 3 poor runs I think i'll leave him alone.
4.35 - Kind Oscar & Quartetto ew.
5.05 - Flemensford.

GL all.
By:
Allduckornodinner
When: 18 Feb 10 09:12
It's hard to figure out Whatuthink. He is obviously better than what he has showed in his last few runs but it is possible that he is just regressing and needs a break. I couldn't back him anyway though watch him prove me wrong now :)
By:
allways collects
When: 18 Feb 10 09:38
Will the meting go ahead?????????????
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