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sinndar001
29 Dec 09 13:06
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Report applehunter December 29, 2009 1:19 PM GMT
"Professionals"....Brian Gleesen's description of people on social welfare at Leopardstown looking for a double up.
Report CailiniDeas8 December 29, 2009 1:22 PM GMT
:D
Report sinndar001 December 29, 2009 1:28 PM GMT
Lol!
Report Biodiesel December 29, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
recreational punters like odds of 5/2 + . I myself would back 4/11 for sure especially if i thought he should be 1/10
Report macrocky December 29, 2009 2:03 PM GMT
I imagine the pros will be lumping on big bucks next march that will pay their weeks expenses
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby December 29, 2009 2:09 PM GMT
lol applehunter
Report Blackwater December 29, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
Yeah, all those 'professional punters' beting into 140% overrrounds.

Maybe this is one of those rare examples of an RTE presenter talking sh1te.
Report Franky Four Fingers December 29, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
Veitch reckoned he backed horses at long prices according to his book .
Report Doyler1987 December 29, 2009 4:34 PM GMT
Hes just being general, once-a-year-ers dont tend to back under evens.

I bumped into someone Stephens day on his first time there: "I've a tenner, help me win €50 with it for drink."
Report Win only - Sp only December 29, 2009 5:30 PM GMT
Blackwater 29 Dec 16:05


Yeah, all those 'professional punters' beting into 140% overrrounds.

Maybe this is one of those rare examples of an RTE presenter talking sh1te.


lots of absolute rot talked about over rounds on this forum, lets be honest plenty of 140% will be made up of 33/1 shots that should be a million as they wont be trying a yard. Plenty of professionals would bet in a race with a 140% overround - especially of they have 70% of it dead
Report insideinfo December 29, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
What i cant stand are yellow belly firms like PP who price every Irish race up @ 10am but when you walk into a shop @ 1015 and try to have 1000/400 something you are usually offered 40 quid and the rest SP or SP only in many cases.Next thing the horse in question is 2/1 and everyone thinks it a "mover" LOL
Report Win only - Sp only December 29, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
^send someone else in
Report insideinfo December 29, 2009 5:38 PM GMT
Ofcourse thats what i do,have cleaned them out around Dublin this year.
Report insideinfo December 29, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
Stick ins dont usually last too long win only - sp only,im sure you know that in your job.
Report Win only - Sp only December 29, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
im a postman- handy as the uniform throws em
Report Blackwater December 29, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
It's not just the overrounds (which DO matter).

BG is talking about 'professional punters' having five grands here, and ten grands there.

All of us know that bookmakers today simply will not lay a bet of that size to anybody unless he's a mug, and a proven long-term loser.

I opened an account a while back with the firm BG quotes most often. Twice I tried to place a bet to win a grand (nothing cute/no arbs) and both times they would only accept part of the bet. Two knock-backs were enough, and I haven't troubled them since.

To be fair to Brian, he has a job to do. But I take his reports of 'professionals' roaming the irish betting ring, spraying round ten grands at a time, hard to take seriously.
Report Win only - Sp only December 29, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
blackwater, are you telling me that you wouldnt back the second in in a maiden hurdle at 5/2 , if you had a reliable negative for the 5/4 fav - even if there was 25 'runners' and the overround was 150%
Report Blackwater December 29, 2009 6:36 PM GMT
I take your point, Win Only, irrespective of the O/R it's theoretically possible to find value in a race.

My main objection is to the constant reports on RTE of supposed 'professional punters' getting five-figure bets on, when we all know that has to be b0ll0x.
Report macrocky December 29, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
Lots of people lumped on phil taylor pre tournament pre xmas at 2/5 or so , it may have been the only bet over christmas for some people
Report Doyler1987 December 29, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
Depends on the bookie, the horse, the race and a few more things whether or not you'll get thousands on.

For example, no one is going to lay you €5,000 at 25/1 FFS, but a fair amount of bookies will lay you €5,000 at 2/5.

As with everything in life, there is a way around everything, and a way of doing everything.

Davy Hyland will lay you €4,000 or so 2/1 in a Naas maiden. Francis Hyland wouldnt like to lay you €40 (I still like him though). John Stuart wouldnt lay me E/W a 7/2 shot in a 21 runner race, but someone else did.

If one doesnt, try another, and another, and another.. theres always one.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! December 29, 2009 7:23 PM GMT
Francis hyland is a LARF
:)
Report Doyler1987 December 29, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
Ah, in fairness hes the man really.
Report norekk December 29, 2009 8:36 PM GMT
a 'reliable negative', eh? sounds sinister. would exactly might it be?
Report kavvie December 29, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
a reliable negative..sounds good!!..american speak"for not off "??!?
Report spurs to buy big December 30, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
yes but only in accas
Report Win only - Sp only December 30, 2009 10:51 AM GMT
^ yes thats right, pros only do short prices accas :D
Report macrocky January 1, 2010 1:23 PM GMT
The question came up there at cheltenham 1.40 , 2 horse race, the higher rated horse was 4/9 and led from the front though he possibly didnt want to lead ideally. However listening to C4 a mate of john francomes argued that 4/9 was value on seven is my number. He collected
Report roadrunner46 April 11, 2019 6:45 PM BST
no they avoid them like the plagueWink
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