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sinndar001
29 Dec 09 13:06
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By:
applehunter
When: 29 Dec 09 13:19
"Professionals"....Brian Gleesen's description of people on social welfare at Leopardstown looking for a double up.
By:
CailiniDeas8
When: 29 Dec 09 13:22
:D
By:
sinndar001
When: 29 Dec 09 13:28
Lol!
By:
Biodiesel
When: 29 Dec 09 13:33
recreational punters like odds of 5/2 + . I myself would back 4/11 for sure especially if i thought he should be 1/10
By:
macrocky
When: 29 Dec 09 14:03
I imagine the pros will be lumping on big bucks next march that will pay their weeks expenses
By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 29 Dec 09 14:09
lol applehunter
By:
Blackwater
When: 29 Dec 09 15:05
Yeah, all those 'professional punters' beting into 140% overrrounds.

Maybe this is one of those rare examples of an RTE presenter talking sh1te.
By:
Franky Four Fingers
When: 29 Dec 09 16:28
Veitch reckoned he backed horses at long prices according to his book .
By:
Doyler1987
When: 29 Dec 09 16:34
Hes just being general, once-a-year-ers dont tend to back under evens.

I bumped into someone Stephens day on his first time there: "I've a tenner, help me win €50 with it for drink."
By:
Win only - Sp only
When: 29 Dec 09 17:30
Blackwater 29 Dec 16:05


Yeah, all those 'professional punters' beting into 140% overrrounds.

Maybe this is one of those rare examples of an RTE presenter talking sh1te.


lots of absolute rot talked about over rounds on this forum, lets be honest plenty of 140% will be made up of 33/1 shots that should be a million as they wont be trying a yard. Plenty of professionals would bet in a race with a 140% overround - especially of they have 70% of it dead
By:
insideinfo
When: 29 Dec 09 17:34
What i cant stand are yellow belly firms like PP who price every Irish race up @ 10am but when you walk into a shop @ 1015 and try to have 1000/400 something you are usually offered 40 quid and the rest SP or SP only in many cases.Next thing the horse in question is 2/1 and everyone thinks it a "mover" LOL
By:
Win only - Sp only
When: 29 Dec 09 17:35
^send someone else in
By:
insideinfo
When: 29 Dec 09 17:38
Ofcourse thats what i do,have cleaned them out around Dublin this year.
By:
insideinfo
When: 29 Dec 09 17:40
Stick ins dont usually last too long win only - sp only,im sure you know that in your job.
By:
Win only - Sp only
When: 29 Dec 09 17:47
im a postman- handy as the uniform throws em
By:
Blackwater
When: 29 Dec 09 18:03
It's not just the overrounds (which DO matter).

BG is talking about 'professional punters' having five grands here, and ten grands there.

All of us know that bookmakers today simply will not lay a bet of that size to anybody unless he's a mug, and a proven long-term loser.

I opened an account a while back with the firm BG quotes most often. Twice I tried to place a bet to win a grand (nothing cute/no arbs) and both times they would only accept part of the bet. Two knock-backs were enough, and I haven't troubled them since.

To be fair to Brian, he has a job to do. But I take his reports of 'professionals' roaming the irish betting ring, spraying round ten grands at a time, hard to take seriously.
By:
Win only - Sp only
When: 29 Dec 09 18:14
blackwater, are you telling me that you wouldnt back the second in in a maiden hurdle at 5/2 , if you had a reliable negative for the 5/4 fav - even if there was 25 'runners' and the overround was 150%
By:
Blackwater
When: 29 Dec 09 18:36
I take your point, Win Only, irrespective of the O/R it's theoretically possible to find value in a race.

My main objection is to the constant reports on RTE of supposed 'professional punters' getting five-figure bets on, when we all know that has to be b0ll0x.
By:
macrocky
When: 29 Dec 09 18:48
Lots of people lumped on phil taylor pre tournament pre xmas at 2/5 or so , it may have been the only bet over christmas for some people
By:
Doyler1987
When: 29 Dec 09 18:55
Depends on the bookie, the horse, the race and a few more things whether or not you'll get thousands on.

For example, no one is going to lay you €5,000 at 25/1 FFS, but a fair amount of bookies will lay you €5,000 at 2/5.

As with everything in life, there is a way around everything, and a way of doing everything.

Davy Hyland will lay you €4,000 or so 2/1 in a Naas maiden. Francis Hyland wouldnt like to lay you €40 (I still like him though). John Stuart wouldnt lay me E/W a 7/2 shot in a 21 runner race, but someone else did.

If one doesnt, try another, and another, and another.. theres always one.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 29 Dec 09 19:23
Francis hyland is a LARF
:)
By:
Doyler1987
When: 29 Dec 09 19:26
Ah, in fairness hes the man really.
By:
norekk
When: 29 Dec 09 20:36
a 'reliable negative', eh? sounds sinister. would exactly might it be?
By:
kavvie
When: 29 Dec 09 21:07
a reliable negative..sounds good!!..american speak"for not off "??!?
By:
spurs to buy big
When: 30 Dec 09 01:01
yes but only in accas
By:
Win only - Sp only
When: 30 Dec 09 10:51
^ yes thats right, pros only do short prices accas :D
By:
macrocky
When: 01 Jan 10 13:23
The question came up there at cheltenham 1.40 , 2 horse race, the higher rated horse was 4/9 and led from the front though he possibly didnt want to lead ideally. However listening to C4 a mate of john francomes argued that 4/9 was value on seven is my number. He collected
By:
roadrunner46
When: 11 Apr 19 18:45
no they avoid them like the plagueWink
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