Yellow Card absolute carnage

it is not switched off until in play begins

if the crossmatching is switched off  then IR prices cannot be manipulated that's the whole point

how can IR prices be manipulated if the x-matching BOT is switched OFF ?

i don't get that one i'm afraid but i'd love to hear about it.

Sorry, not lagged, pics are ahead.  (trying to do two things at once)

if the crossmatching is switched off  then IR prices cannot be manipulated that's the whole point

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that was my take on it tbh.

Dec 16, 2024 -- 10:28AM, HappyHibby wrote:

how can IR prices be manipulated if the x-matching BOT is switched OFF ?i don't get that one i'm afraid but i'd love to hear about it.

Because there will be bots looking to lay 100%+ books, which will be created by backing the horse that isn't with the field

the bet swiped the lot available so nothing in the back boxes but rapidly 1.02 available to back.

nice live video from Wolves there about 10 secs behind live.

swifty..it was all matched before the susp so pre off.

beneaththewaves and wicklow:

My bet was in the system before the off as a keep bet at 1.04, it was settled @ 1.01 reflect the N/R.
I imagine most of the matched bets must have already been in the system and taken by a fat finger on the off or a second before, as my bet didnt appear matched until after the off

rico, ok, did the player think it had gone in-play tho?? And the fact the 1.02 appeared for 100k means it was bot-linked and not all a manual effort.

guess we'll never know the truth. the only person who may know (if it was a mis-click) probably washed up near Eastbourne.

guess we'll never know the truth. the only person who may know (if it was a mis-click) probably washed up near Eastbourne.

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i'd bet good money against that personally swifty coz i doubt it was his/her cash.

the only person who may know probably washed up near Eastbourne.

padi fall out of his kanoo ?

yes, surprising a few more beneficiaries haven't shown up on here.

exactly swifty...

clearly lots of shy folk on here don't want to let their bird know they've snaffled best part of 100k for a fat finger fk up.

lots of bets would've matched at big prices, can we have expected a void had the horse gone on to win?!

Dec 16, 2024 -- 10:58AM, swiftynifty wrote:

rico, ok, did the player think it had gone in-play tho?? And the fact the 1.02 appeared for 100k means it was bot-linked and not all a manual effort.guess we'll never know the truth. the only person who may know (if it was a mis-click) probably washed up near Eastbourne.

To me that is the key point, the 100k 102 trade is clearly related(theres also big back bets 197 at  990 and 230 1000 suggesting similar amounts ) and suggests if someone was 'trying' to manipulate the market that they must have forgotten they would be laying at 1.02...and for 100k too :)
No way on earth and it suggest a mistake.

However it disturbingly does highlight that someone is willing and able to interact with the market at any price and  for any amount of money even in lowly Southwell maiden where there will only be 25k or so traded in play

The other curiosity is that the volume of the bet is twice the market volume and that these races are only added to moneywise in the last few minutes before the off

what are these about then? and the screen states lpm 1.03. after the lump was swallowed up, someone (or something) is still betting a 1000 shot @1.03.

then there's another £200 odd asking for 1000. Nobody bets a no hoper for £200 in a single request

if ewe were playing the drone pics you could have clicked when race began..of course atr tracks are 50yds behind for suspending so wasnt in play.

these are not fat finger human errors, bot gone wrong syndrome. but which bot, operated by whom.

I think it was GTFI's bot, this only happened after he turned up selling shares in his system!

Dec 16, 2024 -- 11:36AM, Cider wrote:

what are these about then? and the screen states lpm 1.03. after the lump was swallowed up, someone (or something) is still betting a 1000 shot @1.03.

Could be bots registering a matched lay at 1.01 and put in a greening up back bet at upwards of 1.02 etc.

One thing is pretty sure, if it was Betfair bot that lost a lot of money, they would have voided the betting.

I previously "won" £1200 when a bot had a silly turn and the bets were voided.

more chance of Sunday lunch with Putin and Bashar al Assad than ever finding out whatever REALLY happened Brian.

the market was cleared..then a few mins later it re-appeared..i feared a void

you trying to be a poet?

just an odd ode.

O dear what can the matter be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ6ZeWYfLjA

nobody admitted winning/losing a 6 figure sum yet ?

CagLIARig was involved in this. He has been like a cobra waiting to pounce to get his City Of Troy losses back. As he has signed the official secrets act he is not allowed to confirm this.

callgaryLIARmugs is currently starring in the Jaywick xmas panto as Walter Mitty.

all we've heard about so far is mrs p winning £333...

what's happened to the rest of the 160k bet (approx) all the way down to 1.01 ?

not all of it can have been won by timid/shy folk imv.

how many bf billy bunters post on the racing forum? Lucky if 50 names post on here and 10 of them are the same person.

mrs p has posted once a month for over 20 years and he/she came on to let us know he/she'd won £333.

Dec 17, 2024 -- 4:24AM, DIE LINKE wrote:

how many bf billy bunters post on the racing forum? Lucky if 50 names post on here and 10 of them are the same person.

all above my head/pay grade but if it was a punter/punters bot you can bet your life they've waivered thew affordability rules for him wouldn't want to restrict punters like that,but how would they justify letting a reckless punter put 1000,s more back in to account without lots of ?.s

betting update just received...

was it a normal person's fat finger fk up ?

YES 100

NO 1.01...

do Betfair send a carer round and offer counselling in these situations,or contact you asking if you want to deposit more funds , and 2 free fiver bets on buildabet

normally when i see 'market manipulation' its a few hundred quid on the pink side at reasonable odds (during the race)...

NEVER have i seen 'market manipulation' from 1000 to 1.01 for 160k(approx)...

and for those reasons i have ruled it out completely.

i should really have said an ATTEMPT at 'market manipulation'...

only 'they' pressed the wrong horse.

what i find a bit bizarre (looking at that video) is why did the 1000/230 Euro appear on the PINK side shortly after it went in play ?

makes me think that MIGHT have been the intention all along...

but instead of hitting their 1000/230 euro button 'they' pressed their 1.01/23k Euro button ?

but instead of hitting their 1000/230 euro button 'they' pressed their 1.01/23k Euro button ?

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scrap the 23k euro bit coz obviously the numbers don't add up when it must have been about a 160k bet...

and i don't see many 160k 1.01 bets going in anyway so forget that bit...

still think the intention all along MIGHT have been the 1000/230Euro bit but they not only did the wrong horse they also hit 1.01 when it should've been 1000.

i suppose the 1000/230Euro on the PINK side could have been someone covering themselves in case the 1000 shot actually won the race tbf.

or attempting to cover themself i should have said...

personally i'm more in the camp that the 1000/230Euro was what was intended in the first place and instead of hitting 1000 they hit 1.01...

my latest two theories then...

a) meant to hit 'withdrawn horse' button but hit the 1.01 button on the wrong horse...

b) meant to hit the 1000 button but hit the 1.01 button on the wrong horse.

why would you want to lay 1000?  it was already 1000

you mean why would you want to have 1000/230 on the PINK side during the race Mr.Hunt ?

presumably they think it does some sort of market manipulation ?

i find the whole thing pretty bizarre tbh...

but if you watch the video the 1000/230 is there during the race (shortly after it goes in play).

how can u manipulate wen it was alredy 1000

quite ofthen when one is withdrawn late a 3 figure sum appears on the PINK side at decent odds...

which is presumably some sort of 'market manipulation' scenario...

always found it bizarre myself...

in saying that i suppose it could also be someone trying to 'green up' and release their funds...

but i've seen it many many times.

do you not read what i say Mr.Hunt ?

the whole 'market manipulation' scenario is bizarre to me...

i don't get it but there is no doubt when a late withdrawl happens you often see triple figure bets on the PINK side for the withdrawn horse...

market manipulation or greening up to release funds...

i don't know coz it isn't something i do.

but ewe wont manipulate anything sumbitting a 1000 lay at any time on a horse thats trading at 1000

the horse wasn't trading at 1000 Mr.Hunt...

it was trading around the 1.01 / 1.02 mark..

watch the video...

keep your eyes on the PINK side...

1000/230 appears...

i have no idea WHY it appears but it does...

it then goes down to 990...

my GUESS is that it was designed for IN RUNNING purposes in some sort of market manipulation procedure or maybe greening up procedure...

it is notsomething i get involved with...

BUT the bet appeared...

TRUST ME.

It could just be an automation Hibby. eg it detects a £230 lay bet matched at X price on a fat finger price move and automatically throws out an immediate greening back bet at the previously traded price.

are youtelling me that under normal circumstances when a horse is withdrawn late...

you've NEVER seen a triple figure amount appear IN RUNNING on the PINK side at decent odds ?

coz i have...

many many times...

that is all i was saying...

i don't know the ins and outs of this 'market manipulation' thingy coz i never take part in it...

you said you had and was warned about your behaviour...

therefore it doesn't take too much imagination to see who might be doing it ?

i agree with you jamee...

could have just been an automated 1000/230...

i don't know...

i was just thinking aloud tbh.

after 400,000 matched on said horse the projected BSP was still showing at 963. How can that be explained, supercomputer time lag?

Dec 17, 2024 -- 7:59AM, swiftynifty wrote:

after 400,000 matched on said horse the projected BSP was still showing at 963. How can that be explained, supercomputer time lag?

From memory, projected BSP is only updated every 60 secs.

cheers jamee, I thought they might be a lag, why though I don't know.

*there

swifty/jamee...

you've seen that right ?

late withdrawl...

race goes in play...

you see 3 figure sum on the PINK side at decent odds ?

not ALWAYS but pretty frequently.

Yes Hibby, hence i said very early on I thought it was market manipulation gone badly wrong.

thanx swifty...

i fully acknowledge i don't really understand the whole 'manipulation' thing...

but i see it happening...

like i say it's either that or folk trying to get their money back from a withdrawn horse still in the market.

swiftynifty 17 Dec 24 14:11 

Yes Hibby, hence i said very early on I thought it was market manipulation gone badly wrong.

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the person meant to hit 1000 but hit 1.01 by mistake...

and on the wrong horse swifty ?

that's definitely one of my possibilities.

that would be my take on it, then the question is whether they thought their bet was going in pre-off or in-running , depending on how 'live' they were when watching the race/withdrawal etc.

In simple terms, Hib, f you can get a bot that doesn't know a 10/1 shot is a non-runner and is set to lay the field at 105% and you can make that 10/1 shot appear to be an even money poke, you will be able to extract bigger prices on the runners that ARE taking part.

that would be my take on it, then the question is whether they thought their bet was going in pre-off or in-running

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they definitely thought IN RUNNING imv swifty.

aye i thought it was something along those lines tbh Latalomne...

ta.

either way they probably hit 1.01 (not 1000 as you suggest) they wanted to sweep the lot, because it wasn't running, at least the WD horse wasn't!

so just imagine they backed the withdrawn horse from 1000 to 1.01 for 160k...

what effect would that have had on the IN RUNNING market ?

and btw i'm not at all convinced that is what the MEANT to do anyway tbh.

there was a race at market rasperry a few years ago when 4 of the 5 went at the first and a bot was still backing and laying the field in the 2 place market. cos i is a bit fick i didnt capitalise as much as i could have done but someone sure did

i dont not beleive anyone has a column/default back stake set for £160,000 @101

in what scenario could you ever click it?

Curiously, Hib, I suspect it would have a very marked short-term impact, but, because it doesn't cost a lot to make a £160k lay at 1.01 go away, I suspect it would have been filled PDQ and the market would have returned to relative normality (save for other bots looking to trade around it, eg the one looking to take a guaranteed profit at 1.02).  I imagine it would have more of an impact at Evens, because £160k would take longer to fill.

I can imagine some scenario where it might be conceivable if they were setup in liability mode rather than staking mode.  Not how I'd had my one-click configured, mind!

oh God...

way over my simple mind but thanx anyway Latalomne.

Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Dec 24 14:43 

i dont not beleive anyone has a column/default back stake set for £160,000 @101

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definitely agree NOBODY has a 1.01/160k column...

but how folk set their backs/lays up is something i ain't qualified to even consider coz i don't know enough about all that stuff tbh.

and another one Latalomne...

if the MEANT to click 1000/230 for IN RUNNING purposes (market manipulation wise)...

what effect would that have had on the IN RUNNING market ?

assuming they did it on the withdrawn horse of course.

Mr.HUnt...

say you have liability set at 160k...

and you normally hit the PINK side...

surely if you mistakenly hit the BLUE side you would get the scenario we had at Southwell...

1000 down to 1.01 for 160k ?

sounds feasable to me tbh.

and feasible

that too tbh.

say you have liability set at 160k...

and you normally hit the PINK side...

surely if you mistakenly hit the BLUE side you would get the scenario we had at Southwell...

but it would have to already be 1.01 in the blue box.

not if you have Override Odds set to 1.01 it wouldn't.

Override Odds set to 1.01 would swipe all the 1000 down to 1.01 imv.

ewe can have a million.

are you telling me folk don't have Override Odds set to 1.01 Mr.Hunt ?

NOBODY does that ?

yes plenty..not for a liabilty of £160,000.

we will NEVER know the truth so conjecture is pointless in all honesty...

i have my thoughts on it but i don't expect anyone to agree.

apart from this misterry..
i'd like an explanation of how the £1 in the pink morphs into 3p..
i'd like an explanation of how when i click to lay 1000 late on all the money vanishes instantly when my request doesnt hit the system for 1 second.

plenty misterrys.

we BOTH know the answer to that one Mr.Hunt...

here's another one...

why does the 10k 1.01 PINK side backer in photos always get in first ?

(used to be 20k but for some strange reason it got halved).

the edges have all been removed...we are all way behind the action now.

we're all a country mile behind jamee.

its at times like this when I,m reading these threads ,that I remind myself of Betfair greatest defenders who tell us,for those who do the legwork/work out the maths all this was possible before the invention of Betfair

HappyHibby 17 Dec 24 12:23 

my latest two theories then...

a) meant to hit 'withdrawn horse' button but hit the 1.01 button on the wrong horse...

b) meant to hit the 1000 button but hit the 1.01 button on the wrong horse.

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having sat and thought about it for 15 minutes i've definitely decided on option a)...

far too coincidental this has happened when a late withdrawl scenario rears it's ugly head...

can't explain the inner workings but it's definitely an a) for me.

Yellow Card was bottom of the list, two horses between it and the withdrawn nag, must have been Stevie Wonder placing the bet.

mm.. very supersticious

racecard list Nos 8 and 9. Betting order not so.

only brassneck is set up in betting order and look what a mess he gets into.

One of ye must have an in at bf towers to give us the SP. Thought the RP and bookies would have been all over this "lose your house, missus and dog on the bf exchange!"

not sure where you're likely to be skammed the moast.. BF or facebook marketplace.