Jeriko Du Reponet, What A Nonsense

The 2 main errors the horse made were pretty bad. It's over to the bha and betfair to do what they need to do.it was another poor day for the sport.

It's over to the bha and betfair to do what they need to do.it was another poor day for the sport.

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agreed the dealer.

The sport is the loser, JC need to grow a pair.

Would making the stewards either option of pulling on safety grounds or what about at least declaring horse null and void for betting, in effect a non runner but allowing it to run if trainer so wished but run for price munee only?

That way they could polish up a lot of turds  before they hit fan imo.

If the horse had not drifted from 2/11 to near evens this thread would not exist.

It is the fact that someone knew the horse was going to underperform before he had jumped a fence is the problem

If the horse had not drifted from 2/11 to near evens this thread would not exist.

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agreed mr.c

The excuse was already there ... He,s never been right handed in Public,was he schooled that way around?

Did it drift cos it needed re saddling.

It flew one fence by 2 metres,ploughed through another.

All totally ok,

Or it’s the most clumsiest attempt at a fiddle of all time,just so someone can lay a 1/5 shot,in a nothing race on a Sunday.

Novice chaser first time out,unsettled in parade.

Complete tosh people saying it’s bent.

was a big drifter when won hurdle race at donny feb

Like Nero said when Rome was burning,nothing wrong here.

Irish stewards need to investigate Farren Glory at Naas yesterday. Drifted from 1/4 to 4/6 and then……bolted in. As this was almost identical price drift why hasn’t this been mentioned.

Very fair point about the drift, it's only talked about when they lose because it fits the mo.
Communication of what was happening was poor though yesterday and it would be nice to hear occasionally that the betfair security do actually check accounts, if there was any unusual betting patterns.

Maybe it was the “Betfair security” who were bringing the harvest in!

Nov 11, 2024 -- 1:22AM, Hibore wrote:

Irish stewards need to investigate Farren Glory at Naas yesterday. Drifted from 1/4 to 4/6 and then……bolted in. As this was almost identical price drift why hasn’t this been mentioned.

The Mullins horse was 2/9 at one stage yesterday morning and won 1/2

Farren Glory Fav 4/6
Ho My Lord  7/4

If horse was mine , I would be happy he was pulled up . I am not a fan of Nicky and his choice of right vs left handed tracks , but both Sandown and Kempton can  tell some horror stories eg Imperial Commander .

Unfortunately, the issue of betting is now sidetracking the two main issues, the lack of information, and whether it's okay to pull up an odds on favourite when still in contention because it has made two mistakes. Whether it drifted or not should not be used to cloud either issue. For some reason that appears to happening here.

Yes, some drifters win. You could start a thread on that almost every day.

El fabiolo champion chase. 2-9 and a jump round job. Practically every other good thing won on Tuesday and most of Wednesday. Makes a mistake with a lap to go and townend pulls him up. Couldn't have this one winning for the "bookies". Too many  of these happening for authorities to keep turning a blind eye.

You don’t see the ten minute delay every day tho…..punters wondering and price drifting…..

when the dosh is down they can plough through every fence, jockey still be chucking the kitchen sink at it after the last. 

2/11 to 4/5, ballooned one, hit four out, jumped the rest perfectly well, still in contention against vastly inferior rivals, we'll call it a day there thank you very much. 

....... and canter it past the post to show everyone there was nothing wrong with it.

quote hendo we thought we,d coast round,pish up go to sandown on tingle Creek day, IE hendo thought it was a long odds on shot
someone new better than hendo and prepared to lay it at nearly even money
hendo now taking a pull and bring him back in similar race ,so after yesterdays pre race antics,jumping in race ,those who think it was a true  4 to 5 shot, must now be offering odds against after yesterdays evidence in a similar race, YES/NO ?

This is not a rare occurrence for Henderson.

Happens every year with a number of his horses.

They are also far too short in the betting.....All his horses...

1/5 to jump round Sandown first time out over fences with stable in poor form yeh it was never a cracking bet given its poor run at Cheltenham

Small wonder it drifted but as said it was an almighty one and the farce pre-race where nobody knew
where horse was terrible PR by both Henderson representatives and Sandown it just appeared all the more murky
the horse actually ran ok for most of the race but the second mistake meant NDB was never going to carry on

The owner is worth £2.1 billion has had many horses with Hendo I would like to think
if there was any shenanigans (no proof but some scandalous accusations) then he has a right to be
furious and consider his other horses in the stable.

that's fine no problems
so after yesterdays pre race antics
yesterdays jumping performance 
next time out in a similar race you must think it must be odds against chance and not long odds on
YES/NO ?

I suppose it would depend on course, race conditions, other runners and stable form
that's how markets are formed not just on a horses last run if its up against vastly inferior rivals it could be odds on

it was a ltd handicap and rated only 5lbs superior to winner who was getting 5lbs!

N J H    Will probably have two winners today.

it's the lack of BHA action that irritates me tbh...

they are clearly happy with the almighty drift...

and they are clearly happy with the hideous delay when virtually nobody had a clue what the heck was going on and no announcement was made on the racecourse...

if you ask me the BHA are bringing racing in to disrepute and should report themselves to ehhhh themselves...

the mug public have been taken to the cleaners here and as per usual it's suck it up and get on with it lads and lassies...

but keep funding the sport if you don't mind thank you very much.

Racing UK were completely useless yesterday, horse disappeared for 10 minutes and didn't have a clue where the horse was or what had happened to it.

sounds like they weren't too clever AFTER the race either tbh in hell...

i'm sure the head honchos gave Dunkers a big pat on the back this morning.

this is exactly why i ditched RTV...

total lack of respect for their subscribers...

far too many pundits/presenters who just want to give a tip / read a few spotlight comments out then pi$$ of home without any hassle...

that ain't for me i'm afraid...

as i said yesterday the only person who MIGHT have asked Henderson any sort of reasonable Q was Lydia...

and that is a shameful reflection on a subscription based horse racing channel quite frankly.

BHA getting plenty of help from punters who now think, willing to believe that a 2 to 11 shot was in fact a 4 to 5 shot all along  and nothing to see because of a 4,s on shot winning at 4 to 6 in ireland

willing to believe that a 2 to 11 shot was in fact a 4 to 5 shot all along

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and the trainer thought it was a steering job by the sound of things 1tp.

what were the results of their checks on who was laying it ?  exactly.  even if its fine they need to come out and say we've looked at it and we're happy.  if they are indeed looking at it.  which they're probably not.

stable running like absolute hounds

they having been running poorly for a long time...dont know what the stats say, but lots of fancied one's get beat on a daily basis, and for some time.

what were the results of their checks on who was laying it ?

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no checks hulk...

drifting from 1.2 to 1.8 something (or whatever it was) is nothing to be alarmed about.

Because some drifters win, the betting pattern of massive drifters doesn't need looking into is quite a bizarre standpoint. I still recall the infamous Solwhit.

Now it maybe that Henderson's current crop are way overrated...Nicky always runs his so called better ones, in low runner races....not that , that always means his horses are placed in soft races as youngsters...but.

The authorities might find that the big layers are regular players who oppose short price favs ft novices over fences (for example). Doesn't mean that they should not check. It could be that they have an amazingly unusual strike rate for the same owner / trainer / jockey etc.

if all of his horses are far too short in the betting then thats a licence to print money. Get laying them lads and have a fabulous christmas

i lay lots of his....his bumper horses rarely win nowadays as well...used to be a licence to print money backing his, but i prefer just to lay horses nowadays....lol, older and more risk averse now...

anyone laying Califet in this 1.45 ?

until they start winning, it would be rude not too.

matched at 2.0, good luck

TameTheTiger Nov 24 13:37

anyone laying Califet in this 1.45 ?

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did it go bananas in the saddling box when he tried to saddle it up ?

the guys on jump thread think Pauling's needing the run

so Derham's one Thunder n lightin might be value for win purposes has a small win


gl chaps

fearlessly backed into 1.8

different class

2.04 in to 1.8 late on...

a surprising move for an 'out of form' trainer imv.

won like a 2/11 shot should

nicky's back!

they have started winning..oh well...

did he go banana,s in saddling box
the horse had drifted long before that and only hendo and connections witnessed n the horse go banana,s if it ever did, so are you suggesting they laid it
no one in paddock,or Jones or dunkley saw it go banana,s
to quote them NO REASON WEVE SEEN THAT SHOULD CAUSE SUCH A MASSIVE DRIFT

i've no idea who layed it 1tp...

which is why i pretty much said immediately that Betfair/BHA should take a look...

i don't have access to everyone's account on here...

Betfair does tho.

The most instant knee jerk reaction to the 1/5 to 10/11 drift ,then pulls up.

Is.,punters getting fleeced,ripped off.

Yeah they were queuing round the block to get on at 1/5.i doubt anyone who’s posted about the drift,actually backed the horse.

Given Sunday is a quiet betting day,it dosent take much for this drift,plus  bookies want some bets on it ,so ease it to attract bets.

Apart from the saddle 10 mins late,everything else is normal novice chase events,espically on a Sunday.

eased it to attract bets ....

from 1/6 to evens

ere dave, no takers at 1/6, stick up even money

Ermm,yeah.

1/5 no one would risk a bet novice hcp chase,
Evens 4 runners ,maybe.

I m sure a bloke told me once,when they do that,it’s called forming a market,but could be wrong.

cuth...

next Sunday...

if you see one go from 1.2 to mid 1.8ish on here can you give us a shout please ?

i'll even leave church early to join in the fun tbh.

To be fair,a lot of daft odds on shots,on quiet betting days,low key races,drift.

They price up t which deters bets,so then go seeking bets closer to race.

Committed Christian,still in church in the afternoon,

I’ll tell the vicar,

seeking bets is rubbing out 2/11 and going 5's on ....

At those sort of tiny fractions,on a quiet Sunday,punters aren’t mulling around waiting for the thinnest of gruel drifts.

no answer,s
but before exchanges were bookies cards,what price do you think you,d be getting for the 2 to 11 shot in the ring,the layers would be needing to be going around backing the other 3,working out their %,s,if you were desperate laying it for sheckles yesterday you,d be a lot more desperate more hard work before exchanges

comingupthehill is probably right, the early price was way too short and the adjustment drift grew legs once the FOMO brigade got wind of it, especially coming from that stable. That would be my take on the drift, then compounded by the pre-race antics(or not?). As for being pulled up that's another question altogether, horses make far worse mistakes and go on and win races.

Disagree,I don’t think people in the stable sat around all day rushing to lay a 1/5 shot.
If people in the stable do that,drift would have been day before,earlier.

Bookies go over low if they fear one,then ease it if no interest.

Plus quiet Sunday,not a lot of money needed.

The pulled up was correct ,why risk the horse given what had happened,

Just a normal novice chase chaos.

well hendo has said he,ll run it in a similar race when ready,instead of raising it in class,so now you all no it was the wrong price,it,s made jumping errors and gone looney in the paddock,you can all put odds against up on here and see if the lads in hendo yd accomodate you

I was at Sandown yesterday and the crowd was as small as I've ever seen at the track. 6 firms on the rails and 18 in Tatts which was double than was necessary.
The fav touched evens on a place at the off but I didn't see anyone rush in to take it.

108 posts since my last visit. Any from Hendo? I still think the horse's behaviour prior plus the price drifted like a barge prior to the race were iffy to say the least. I think someone knew the horse was a non-performing shortie.

another hendo shortie pulled up by nico

Cut out in a matter of strides, stopped as though it was shot

was gonna lay it but it never went AWOL for 10 minutes before the start

What is going on with the Henderson Yard? He used to have a 25%+ strike rate and most of his horses ran to form. They have now been massively off for at least a year......

Cardboard cut out in the saddle…

2/17 last 14 days. winners were 8/11 and 6/4

Don't matter who's in the saddle if the horses aint right.

Jonbon 1-3 steering job Friday innit?

Has an assistant trainer left recently or a head lad, Popeye at his age can't being doing most the work.

Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

1.1 ... Really ?

Cardboard ffs……golden boy racing is full of them….

The cicumstancial evidence continues to pile up , not quite reaching the peak but way past base camp.

Jolly hockey sticks and the posh boy, disgusting combo.

jonbon prone to an iffy jump or 2
coming off it vat certain points of race
stable form
so we should all get the chance to  bet this 2 to 5 shot at ev if we want,just so the bookies can take a few bets
at least that's how it works now apparently

Just forwarded through Road To Cheltenham.

Can we finally put an end to the misguided idea that Hislop asks harder questions than the rest of them at Racing TV? People hanging on to that McCoy ride from so many years ago.

She was also the person who kept continually banging on about 'this is a big race in it's own right'. What happens? She peddles a show which is all about the Festival - the clues in the name. A bit more exposore, principals very quickly forgotten.

asking hard questions will be very detrimental to your horseracing punditry career

you will also be ostracised by the racing community.  so it's never happening.

better to just ask how many winners is that this season, things are going great since you moved to (insert trainers name), all the best for the rest of the season.  next race.

Yes, they are all the same. Jobs first, honesty a distant second.

she did ask Q's other folk wouldn't a number of years ago tbh dd...

like i say she did give Henderson a reasonably tough interview when he withdrew Altior at Sandown i think coz the ground was too heavy according to Nicky...

i did say she MIGHT have asked about what went on at the weekend...

tbh i ain't heard her for ages so no idea what she's like these days and i never ever watch that Cheltenham thingy...

but if you say she isn't one for asking tricky Q's these days then i'm happy to accept that tbh.

if they did that Cheltenham programme thing and did NOT ask a few Q's amongst themselves about this whole thing then that is very poor imv btw.

subscription based horse racing programme...

just making a fool of their subscribers by going down the 'let's ignore it' angle imv.

jonbon 1 to 2, to 2 to 7, hendo,s yard not pinching ther tramps last chip today it seems,hope no one backs it on course and we,ll get ev,s to get a few quid in the hodd,that's how it works ain't it

Anyone backing jonbon at 2-7 today needs medical help. Especially wearing those colours. How many more despicable runs from this yard do you need to see?

Biggest certainty of all certaintys.....Cleaned out my bank account and got a couple of loans.... Its all going on.

These particular colours seem to bring arguments in the sport,just saying…..

I have laid it to lose £1 in case of mishaps but he has beaten Edwardstone easily twice and the other 2 have no chance bar fallers.

Has to be a race just watched i'd have thought , if a fresh Edwardstone adopts trailblazing it could cause mistakes behind , if Jonbon runs as mulish as it did in February at Warwick it'll hit odds against for sure.

There are two if's that make it good viewing but betting guesswork , for me anyway.


Good luck all   

Two nons at Newcastle 1.20.

Dylan Johnson back with a winner after 10 days off until yesterday and despite no allowance he came from last to win again. Best conditional surely?

says it all if I was the jock on the 3rd I,d be knocking 10 shades of **** out of Johnson,disgraceful riding

That has cured me of backing Jonjo for another year!

Buddy One surely back over hurdles soon, travelled well but it's jumping is far from fluent
good start for Nicky at PP Meet

Acey new and no even a well done.....Mean spirited bashtards.

I'd not realised he was running today. That's how interested I'm on horseracing at the moment (sadly). Maybe my interest will pick up come the Fighting 5th or the King George at x'mas time.