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mrcombustible
01 Oct 24 17:49
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CONDITIONS OF ENTRY
As part of the security measures at Chelmsford City Racecourse (CCR), all attendees 18 years and over to the racecourse are required to bring with them photographic ID. This will be conducted by scanning photographic IDs with the following forms of ID accepted;
Passport
Driver's licence
Any government or international issue photo card.
This requirement to provide photo ID is to make CCR a safer racecourse and for your protection, so we kindly request your cooperation in this matter.
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I don't like the idea they scan your ID. They could be hacked.
Are they the only racecourse that asks for this?
Is it done at any other sport?

Neil Graham the failed trainer is now director of racing here, sounds like he will be a failure here.
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Report Twoboyz October 1, 2024 7:11 PM BST
Neil Graham has been there a very long time, since he split with Lesley. Anyone know what Lesley is up to nowadays ?
Report freddiewilliams October 1, 2024 7:15 PM BST
Fook that
Report WolfJFlywheel October 1, 2024 8:38 PM BST
Thought it was October 1st not April 1st.
Report SlippyBlue October 1, 2024 8:44 PM BST
Indeed, that's absurd.
Report mrcombustible October 1, 2024 8:49 PM BST
Also applies to owners
Report salmon spray October 1, 2024 9:16 PM BST
Why do they want it ?
Report GEORGE.B October 1, 2024 9:28 PM BST
Cuz they're evidently enjoying helping to construct a 'show mw your papers please' society.

The Blair creature will be loving this.
Report GEORGE.B October 1, 2024 9:32 PM BST
This requirement to provide photo ID is to make CCR a safer racecourse and for your protection, so we kindly request your cooperation in this matter.

It's all for our own good...being treated like potential 'terrorists' that is.
Report salmon spray October 1, 2024 9:45 PM BST
I do find it weird GEORGE I must admit. Maybe I have to cross all 59 racecourses off my bucket list.
At the moment I have both a driver's licence and a passport but if I live another 10 years I might not have either. And yes I do object on principle as well as practicality.
Report mrcombustible October 1, 2024 10:01 PM BST
I am surprised there has been no publicity about this.A friend told me about it a few months ago. He no longer goes. He said on a Saturday night they only want drinkers as there is entertainment afterwards. It has become an Essex night club.

I am going on Thursday evening for the first time as I have received an owners invitation, probably be my last visit.I will show my London Freedom Pass which has my photo but no other details.
Report dave1357 October 1, 2024 10:09 PM BST
it says any government id, salmon, so presumably a bus pass should be ok.

I'd be surprised if they were entitled to create a database of racegoers and would think that they should have to delete the images pretty soon after the meeting, but then again we have an information commissioner who thinks it's fine for people wanting to spend their own money on betting to be subjected to detailed and intrusive financial checks.
Report mrcombustible October 1, 2024 10:14 PM BST
John Holmes the Bankrupt was appointed a director of the Company on 18th Sep 2024 according to Companies House website. You may remember he was arrested for vat fraud in 2013


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/05/chelmsford-city-go-ahead-to-race-sunday

https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/great-leighs-founder-arrested-vat-fraud-418805
Report leif October 1, 2024 10:30 PM BST
average crowd between Oct 01 -Dec 31 of 2023 around 580.

Lowest crowd 139 on Nov 7th

Largest attendance prolly boosted by after racing entertainment for the Essex chavs.


course staff on minimum wage having to take the stick no doubt.
Report GLASGOWCALLING October 1, 2024 10:32 PM BST
Count me out, probably being put into affect as they are expecting a shed load of trouble when the drink kicks in after racing.
Report leif October 1, 2024 10:56 PM BST
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Report leif October 1, 2024 11:01 PM BST
Class 5 and 6 races apart from the first race a restricted novice stakes.


marketing team wrote that with their tongues firmly planted in their cheeks.
Report roggrain October 2, 2024 12:26 PM BST
I've sent them an e-mail telling them what I think of their policy.

Please do likewise if you feel the same as I do, that the policy is unacceptable.

e-mail:  info@chelmsfordcityracecourse.com
Report sparrow October 2, 2024 12:34 PM BST
If you don't like the classes of races then just ignore it as I do with certain types of races that I don't bother with.
Report akajak October 2, 2024 1:05 PM BST
Gestapo Racing

In order to enter the racecourse, guests are required to bring original photographic ID including a driver’s license or passport.

Guests who do not present photographic ID will not be admitted to the racecourse.

This is not applicable to under 18’s.

Tickets purchased by over 18’s unable to provide photo ID on request will not be refunded and security searches may be carried out from time to time on persons entering.

Please be aware that ID will be required in order to purchase alcohol for those who appear under the age of 25 years.
Report The Management October 2, 2024 1:17 PM BST
Surely it's only a matter of time Tom Kerr does a well thought out and insightful piece in the Racing Post highlighting this as "intrusive and Draconian".

And Michael Dugher (known to his friends as Phil MySlots) at the Betting & Gaming Council will surely be outraged.

Or maybe - neither of them will make any comment whatsoever.
Report GLASGOWCALLING October 2, 2024 1:30 PM BST
Email sent, Thanks Rograin.
Report howard October 2, 2024 2:10 PM BST
Be bad enough wanting to see your driving licence if you are on full adult payment but taking a copy of it...no thanks.
Report GLASGOWCALLING October 2, 2024 3:07 PM BST
That's the worrying part Howard,needing to take a copy of anything seems suspect and intrusive to me.
Report akajak October 2, 2024 3:15 PM BST
seems totally OTT
Report penzance October 2, 2024 3:24 PM BST
Non drivers will have to use their passports probably.
Who wants to be carrying that around all day?.
Report elise October 2, 2024 3:28 PM BST
Shamima Begum?
Report mrcombustible October 2, 2024 3:36 PM BST
Bad enough having ID copied but even worse when one of the Company Directors is John Holmes the Bankrupt who was also arrested for vat fraud
Report mrcombustible October 2, 2024 3:42 PM BST
Another annoying habit that has crept in at most racecourses is having your bag searched before admittance especially at sparsely attended mid week fixtures where you are not going to get trouble.
I was at Fontwell last Tuesday week and as I had no bag to search the security guard asked me had I anything in my pockets. I said, yes, my pockets are full and walked on. He did nothing. I am not letting any person search my pockets.
Report roggrain October 2, 2024 5:08 PM BST
They claim that they are checking ID's for reasons of security. This is total hogwash.

So a terrorist turns up, shows his driving licence, and can go in. Some old geezer who doesn't

drive or carry photo ID around with him will be refused admission and not refunded.

It will be interesting to see their reply to my e-mail.

If you haven't done so already, here's the address: info@chelmsfordracecourse.com
Report screaming from beneaththewaves October 2, 2024 5:10 PM BST
At Ascot the bag searchers order you to lift up your arms to be scanned by a metal detector. Which is a right pain when you carry things like house keys or small change in your pockets. You get the impression they'd never met anyone carrying coins before.
Report roggrain October 2, 2024 5:18 PM BST
Meanwhile, boycott Chelmsford races.
Report akajak October 2, 2024 5:28 PM BST
agreed
Report dave1357 October 2, 2024 5:29 PM BST
roggrain • October 2, 2024 5:08 PM BST
They claim that they are checking ID's for reasons of security


I think the local police should object to their licenses, if there is such a high risk of disorder in comparison to other leisure events.
Report freddiewilliams October 2, 2024 6:15 PM BST
Do they look into  ladies handbags
Report elise October 2, 2024 6:17 PM BST
leave it at home if you're worried
Report leif October 2, 2024 6:26 PM BST
Just 1,288 paying public turned up for this meeting last year so it won't be difficult to deal with any trouble, if any, you'd think.

Easy to ask that many to produce I.D without too much delay or too much annoyance.

well done to the marketing team though. the description of the evening sounds fun unless you're there to watch some decent racing.
Report cosmik debris October 2, 2024 8:15 PM BST
It's like getting into Fort Knox with scowling nightclub bouncers ready to greet you at the entrance. I used my Freedom Pass when I went recently as I'm not showing them anything else to copy. I don't have any trust whatsoever in the security of their data handling arrangements.
Report clouded leopard October 2, 2024 8:39 PM BST
GEORGE.B01 Oct 24 21:28Joined: 14 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 60,946 | Blogger: GEORGE.B's blog
Cuz they're evidently enjoying helping to construct a 'show mw your papers please' society.


^ this

Data collection

Building a profile for each and every soul

Digital ID en route

Been in the making for a very long time
Report roggrain October 2, 2024 8:58 PM BST
Ys, we are heading inexorably into a surveillance society such as the one that exists in China.
Report hulk23 October 2, 2024 9:02 PM BST
courses be going cashless.

which means you'll be getting a text message from the bank manager asking you to come in and explain all the transactions that came out of your account at Haydock racecourse on saturday.  does sir have a gambling issue ?   

credit file updated.
Report SlippyBlue October 2, 2024 9:07 PM BST
I also emailed in, it'll be interesting to read their justification of this ridiculous situation.
Report roggrain October 2, 2024 9:14 PM BST
Spot on hulk.
Report roggrain October 2, 2024 9:15 PM BST
Good on you Slippy. The only thing these Corporate types understand is profit.
Report hulk23 October 2, 2024 9:18 PM BST
we can also see you stopped off at the dog and duck (card only) on the way home and blew £218.73 on booze.

we don't give mortgages to alcoholics mr smith ...
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! October 2, 2024 9:20 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh
Report windsor knot October 2, 2024 9:33 PM BST
surely all the photo i. d. shown has to be updated weekly for turkey teeth and trout pouts ?
Report Regbutler October 2, 2024 9:38 PM BST
Cashless tracks
....I'm purely a cash punter at the tracks
Surely bookies are still taking a larger % of cash rather than cards at a meeting?
Report Trident October 3, 2024 9:09 AM BST
Photo id cashless courses expensive food and drink. Pointless going racing anymore lads. Save up for a holiday somewhere and watch the horse racing on TV.
Report longbridge October 3, 2024 11:22 AM BST
I have encountered that before at a couple of venues, though never a racecourse.  AIUI the justification for taking the copy is if trouble kicks off, they just need to match the CCTV pictures to the provided ID and hand the list over to the plod.
Report jamee1 October 3, 2024 1:43 PM BST
I wonder if they really ask for ID or whether they just stick it in their Ts and Cs to deter trouble makers and give grounds to refuse entry. Logically I don't see how this could be workable in practise.

Anyone attending tonight might care to comment?
Report longbridge October 3, 2024 3:00 PM BST
How not workable?  You turn up without ID, they turn you away?
Report jamee1 October 3, 2024 3:29 PM BST

Oct 3, 2024 -- 9:00AM, longbridge wrote:


How not workable?

Report jamee1 October 3, 2024 3:30 PM BST
Delays, queues, anger, resentment, bad publicity, smaller gate, reduced spend etc.
Report mrcombustible October 3, 2024 4:04 PM BST
They asked for my ID on entry at the owners and trainers entrance.
I showed them my London Freedom pass which has my photo but no dob nor address.he scanned it.
Report jamee1 October 3, 2024 4:16 PM BST
Thanks. Surely it can't last?
Report doorman99 October 3, 2024 6:32 PM BST
Owners and trainers entrance Cheltenham last November, ID not asked for but womens handbags thoroughly searched and mens pockets patted down, weirdos.
Report stu October 3, 2024 6:45 PM BST
chelmsford, I would have thought, barely scrape any 'attendance' at best of times. Betting on next track to close anyone....
Report elise October 3, 2024 7:15 PM BST
did they not introduce this a couple of years ago, not new?
Report SlippyBlue October 3, 2024 7:18 PM BST
I rang the course earlier today saying I was on my way to the course but I didn't have any photo i.d. I just had a debit card and cash on me so should I not bother turning up? I do that sort of thing sometimes,to amuse me more than anything else. Happy

So,the lady was a bit jittery and spoke very quickly but she said, no problem whatsoever. It's a random check anyway so you most likely won't be asked at all but f you were, a debit card will be fine and they may take a photo of you so nothing to worry about in the greater scheme of things.

That's that sorted then.
Report dave1357 October 3, 2024 7:40 PM BST
they may take a photo of you face on and from the side

fixed
Report screaming from beneaththewaves October 3, 2024 7:54 PM BST
Chelmsford City
Location    Great Leighs, Essex
Owned by    Betfred
Date opened    20 April 2008
Screened on    Racing TV
Course type    Flat Polytrack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford_City_Racecourse
Report penzance October 3, 2024 8:13 PM BST
What's happened to their new turf track venture?
Report leif October 3, 2024 8:15 PM BST
on course to open under the lights in 2026
Report penzance October 3, 2024 8:50 PM BST
Cheers.
Report themightymac October 3, 2024 8:58 PM BST
Racecourses struggling to get customers through the turnstiles and many having financial struggles and they bring this idea in, lol. Honestly, you couldn`t make this rubbish up. Will lose at least half their regulars.

I seen a programme other night stating that cash and even bank cards will be a thing of the past very very soon. When you open a bank account, the bank takes a photo of your face and adds it to their data base. When you buy something, your face is scanned at the check out and the system automatically takes payment direct from your bank account. Big Brother looks tame compared to these future ideas.
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