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Ramruma
19 Sep 24 09:10
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Frankel colt. Cost 2 million guineas. Forecast 4/5 for his debut in this 7f maiden. Entered in the Royal Lodge, the Beresford and the Futurity. 40/1 for the Derby with Hills, 33/1 at Paddy's.

But what I want to know is what the flip John Magnier has seen in this half-brother to an 80-rated handicapper and a couple of maidens. Two million guineas my 'arris. Tattersalls saw him coming.

Unless of course Magnier knows more than some washed up and pished up keyboard hack in which case take the 40s for Epsom. It is vaguely possible, I suppose. After all, Magnier found Sadler's Wells and Galileo and I found 50p down the back of the sofa.

But really?

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By:
ged
When: 19 Sep 24 09:43
"The top price on the second day of Book 1, and the highest achieved by any yearling in Europe in 2023, was the FRANKEL colt out of the LEMON DROP KID mare BIZZARRIA who realised 2,000,000 guineas. Consigned by Anthony Oppenheimer’s Hascombe & Valiant Stud, the colt was knocked down to MV Magnier & White Birch Farm after he saw off opposition from the Godolphin team and Juddmonte. 

"He is a lovely horse and from a very successful stud in Hascombe, which has bred very good horses in the past and are very good breeders," said Magnier. "This is a well bred horse, Frankel is flying and everyone liked him - he goes to Ballydoyle." 

The sale was vindication of the stud’s decision to sell its draft of yearling colts this autumn and Oppenheimer, who sat in the ring to watch his colt sell, commented: "So far we have done quite well and sold four, and we have more to sell. There were no regrets at all when he was going around the ring, I did not think we'd get as much as that but I know he is a very nice horse. It refuels the stud's finances and it can't do any harm!" 

Not in the Dewhurst though. APOB has got 3 unraced ones in that.
By:
ged
When: 19 Sep 24 09:47
"Galveston is set to be the 3rd horse bred on a Frankel x Lemon Drop Kid cross to race.

The other 2 are both Gr1 winners.  Without Parole and Courage Mon Ami."
By:
Ramruma
When: 19 Sep 24 10:18
Yeah, that might explain it.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 19 Sep 24 10:22
half brothers fatha obv jussed a h/capper.
By:
oneten
When: 19 Sep 24 10:36
The colt is by reigning British and Irish champion sire Frankel and out of Bizzarria, an Anthony Oppenheimer homebred who won a Newcastle maiden but has yet to strike a home run in the breeding shed from three runners. Dual winner Bizarre Law is her best to date.

Bizzarria is by Lemon Drop Kid and from a great family. She is out of Lynnwood Chase and is therefore a full-sister to Cannock Chase, winner of the 2015 Grade 1 Canadian International. Pisco Sour, the Group 2 Prix Eugene Adam winner, is also a full-sibling.

Bizzarria is also a half-sister to the Classic heroine Star Catcher, by Sea The Stars, a three-time Group 1 winner in total as in addition to the Irish Oaks she also won the Prix Vermeille and British Champions Fillies & Mares Stakes
By:
freddiewilliams
When: 19 Sep 24 17:43
Last?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 19 Sep 24 17:44
dud.
By:
Hayden
When: 19 Sep 24 17:45
Don't think he'll ever be looking for the tin opener to open the beans though , plenty more where that came from    Happy
By:
Hayden
When: 19 Sep 24 17:46
Still waiting for that one Domino put up as a machine to come good   Happy
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 19 Sep 24 17:51
big boat !
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 19 Sep 24 17:52
needs 3 mile
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Sep 24 17:56
What happened? Jockey gave up? I see he was last.
By:
Cider
When: 19 Sep 24 17:57
Tough to swallow for the connections.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 19 Sep 24 17:57
was beaten and moore eased it.
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Sep 24 17:58
Connections? Easy come, easy go!
By:
doorman99
When: 19 Sep 24 17:59
Gary told us beforehand coltish and rearing up in paddock, signs beforehand not great.
By:
Cider
When: 19 Sep 24 18:00
Jess told us that AOB can get one ready fto :p
By:
Cider
When: 19 Sep 24 18:01
Yup that 2 million purchase is going to be revved up by AOB for his first race! Er, probably not.
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Sep 24 18:18
Coolmore sold many that were either mediocre or useless with no money back guarantee or a discount either, if not a racehorse. However, the expensive colt has been entered for the Royal Lodge at Newmarket and Futurity Trophy at Doncaster. A blip today or flatter to deceive at home?
By:
Cider
When: 19 Sep 24 18:22
Unlikely Moore would have been jocked up if it was a dud. Well known AOBs can bounce back from a lacklustre debut. Obvious to write but too early to write off.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 19 Sep 24 18:24
trip looked  too short given  breeding and relatives but it was a dissapointing run
By:
punchestown
When: 19 Sep 24 18:32
" Listen,We always knew he was a special horse..."
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Sep 24 19:21
^^Did AOB say that prior to his debut? I think most have learnt to play AOB at his own game; Auguste Rodin was beaten fairly and squarely. He's been hyped, and he won a substandard Derby.
By:
oneten
When: 19 Sep 24 19:53
In case it got beat he came out with his preparations beforehand and said it would come on for the run.
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Sep 24 19:58
What else could AOB say? Galveston finished LAST; he'd not do any worse next time. Ithink Mr Campbell will not be pleased if he was still alive; Galveston was one of his great hits.
By:
oneten
When: 19 Sep 24 20:14
It's amazing how many of these million pound + jobs don't go on to be any good.
Though I suppose if you buy enough of them and find the 'one' 2 million pounds is only 6 coverings.
They can buy an awful lot of toads to look for their prince.
By:
differentdrum
When: 19 Sep 24 20:44
Well done original poster. Racing Post built it up yesterday, and I doubt Racing TV cast any similar doubts.
By:
punchestown
When: 19 Sep 24 21:39
^^Did AOB say that prior to his debut? I think most have learnt to play AOB at his own game; Auguste Rodin was beaten fairly and squarely. He's been hyped, and he won a substandard Derby


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Nah,it was just a joke,he says it so often about horses nobody pays any heed when he says it now.
By:
themightymac
When: 20 Sep 24 03:30
I remember the original Galveston.

It was definitely owned by Lord Derby and trained by either B van Custem or W Hastings Bass? The former I think but not 100% sure. Late 20th century. 80s I think.
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 20 Sep 24 09:36
Can we just fast forward to where this horse is owned by JP, trained by Joseph and going for the Triumph?

I know it’s first time out and he might improve next time but Jesus…he looks absolute slow boat.

He’s got no change of gear whatsoever lol
By:
differentdrum
When: 21 Sep 24 12:04
Galveston by Sir Ivor, raced for Hastings- Bass. Raced 79-81, winning 7 times, Timeform rated 114. Finished second in the 1981 Magnet Cup carrying over 10 stone.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Sep 24 15:01
Thanks DD for the info. Much appreciated. Galveston was a decent horse indeed.
By:
ged
When: 21 Sep 24 15:10
I was at York that day. Galveston was 2nd to Amyndas, a lightly-raced 3yo of Bruce Hobbs who'd won the Glasgow Maiden over C/D by a wide margin. Galveston was giving nearly 2 stone to Amyndas, who went on to be placed in the Champion Stakes and the B&H.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Sep 24 15:28
I remember Amyndas Ged. George Cambanis colours and I think (but not 100% sure) that he was a produce of the wonder mare Stilvi. With hindsight, trying to give 2st to him was an impossible feat. Think Tony Ives rode Galveston most times and Willie Carson of course.

Talking of Lord Derby, I may be well wrong here but another horse that sticks in my mind is Mystificateur or something similar. I think it may have been on Vernons Sprint Cup Day and it ran with Willie aboard, went right across the track and jumped or nearly jumped the far side rail. For some reason I connect Lord Derby with him but I think it may have been Daniel Wildenstein`s horse. Time can mix one`s memories up so I may be well out with my recollection.
By:
ged
When: 21 Sep 24 15:32
I think of that horse as Cecil's. A tall handsome horse who got sweaty. I'll check.

Amyndas was the Cambanis colours, but not out of Stilvi. Can't remember the breeding.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Sep 24 15:35
Thanks Ged. Much appreciated.
By:
ged
When: 21 Sep 24 17:01
Mystificateur was owned by Wildenstein. That race at Haydock was the first on the card on Lancashire Oaks (+ Eclipse) day in July.

His last run was just about 45 years ago today - he was a beaten fav (4th of 6) in the Strathclyde hcap on Ayr Gold Cup (John Splendid) day.


Amyndas' dam was Gem of Gems, who was owned and bred by Major Holliday, trained by Walter Wharton, and was part of the dispersal of his stock (he died in 1965) at the end of her 3yo season. She won on her 2yo debut, and managed a 3rd of 6 in the Falmouth Stakes at 3, though the race didn't have the same status that it has now. She was then bought by Ribblesdale Stud, which was founded by Jeremy Hindley's father. Amyndas was by Sparkler.
By:
themightymac
When: 21 Sep 24 19:02
Great stuff ged. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. 45 years ago wow!

Funny how one question gets answers that trigger more memories.

I remember the Holliday colours well, I think, White, Maroon hoop on body and sleeves and Maroon cap.

But I remember the colours from the 70s and 80s. Would that be Major Holliday`s son then? What was his name? Pretty certain that the Major Was Lionel Brook Holliday or am I getting mixed up?

Another memory triggered by the excellent info was Robert Sidebottom the apprentice attached to the Elsey stable. Whatever happened to Robert? He was a top apprentice back then.
By:
TommyWestofLanark
When: 21 Sep 24 21:05
Ged.As usual great memories. I was at Ayr that day 45 years, oh my.
Mac.Was Sidebottom not with Denys Smith or rode some for him.Think LB's son was simply Brook could be wrong.
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