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obviously i dont know the truth and many conspiracy theorys are just that theorys and plenty of paid and unpaid fruitcakes around giving their versions of what they think happened , the truth may eventually come out . but does anyone think that every high profile event happened just as we are being told it happened and thats it nothing to see!
CagliariG 21 Sep 24 09:32
George if you believe Hall saying Maddie had been dead since Sunday and not reported missing for 5 days where was her body kept? Trust me the smell of a decomposing body is not something that can be disguised or hidden or forgotten.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-smell-open-car-boot-amaral-maddie-podcast/1691f544-6061-47b6-a2c2-10f2a1ea1202#:~:text=%22Nobody%20denied%20that%20the%20car,transported%20in%20the%20car%20boot.%22
maybe if you done some homework tobymugsgaryliar instead of just posting absolute and utter sh1te on a daily basis.
George if you believe Hall saying Maddie had been dead since Sunday and not reported missing for 5 days where was her body kept? Trust me the smell of a decomposing body is not something that can be disguised or hidden or forgotten.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-smell-open-car-boot-amaral-maddie-podcast/1691f544-6061-47b6-a2c2-10f2a1ea1202#:~:text=%22Nobody%20denied%20that%20the%20car,transported%20in%20the%20car%20boot.%22
maybe if you done some homework tobymugsgaryliar instead of just posting absolute and utter sh1te on a daily basis.
Sounds like a pen picture of yourself shafter, tell us where the body was hidden for 5 days?
Insideshrewdie 21 Sep 24 09:11
the spaniels confirmed she died in the apartment.
THE DOGS WERE NOT POLICE DOGS
INDEPENDENTLY OWNED ...AND LATER WERE DISCOVERED THAT THEY WERE AKIN TO PERFORMING SEALS..DANCING TO THE TUNE OF THEIR WONER...SO THAT EVIDENCE IS COMPLETELY DISCREDITED
more absolute nonsense from a forum clown.
Martin Grime
UK NPIA Registered Subject Matter Expert
FBI Forensic Canine Program Specialist Adviser
OPERATION TASK
Personal profile
I am an U.K.A.C.P.O. accredited police dog training instructor in post at the Operational Support Services. I am a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison, I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training.
I am a Special Advisor to The U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, in relation to their Canine Forensic Program.
I am regularly deployed to assist in high profile homicide cases within my portfolio and form a 'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys.
My core role includes the training and operational handling of specialist search dogs in the fields of Human Victim Recovery and Forensic Crime Scene Investigation.
I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs. 'Eddie' is a 7-year old English Springer spaniel dog. 'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel pregnant dog. I also have a six-month old English Springer spaniel dog, puppy, in training, 'Morse' .
Search Asset Profile
'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the asset is conducted using pig as the subject matter for solid hides and human blood for fluid. The use of human remains for the purpose of training dogs in the U.K. is not acceptable at this point in time.
The dog has however considerable experience in operational recovery of human remains and evidential forensic material and has trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog involves the use of collection of 'Dead body scent' odour from corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact.
The E.V.R.D. will locate cadaver, whether in the whole or parts thereof; deposited surface or sub-surface to a depth of approximately 3-4 feet shortly after death to the advanced stages of deposition and putrefaction through to skeletal. This includes incinerated remains even if large quantities of accelerant have been involved.
The dog will locate human cadaver in water either from the bank side or when deployed in a boat where a large area may be covered using a gridding system.
The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations. This may be completed by the dog being deployed directly to the subject area or by scent samples being taken on sterile gauze pads and the scent check being completed by scent discrimination exercise at a suitable venue.
The dog will alert to the presence of 'dead body' scent whether it is at source or some distance away from a deposition site. This enables the use of the dog to identify the exhaust of the scent through fissures in bedrock or watercourses. A geophysical survey of the area will then reduce the size of the search area.
The dog may be used to screen clothing, vehicles or property in a suitable environment. This is completed in a scent discrimination exercise where controls may be included to increase assurity.
I have developed the training of the E.V.R.D. to include the screening of scent pads taken from motor vehicles, property or scenes by a ST100 Scent Transference Unit. The unit is designed in a two-part design. The main body is a battery operated electrical device that draws air in at to the front and exhausts through the rear. There is no 're-circulation' of air within the unit. The second part is a 'grilled' hood that fits to the main body. A sterile gauze pad is fitted into the hood. When operated, the ST100 draws air through the hood and the sterile gauze pad and exhausts through
ports to the rear. 'Scent' is trapped in the gauze, which may then be forensically stored for use within scent discrimination exercises.
The ST 100 unit is cleaned following use in such a manner that no residual scent is apparent. This is checked by control measures where the dog is allowed to search a given area where the S 100 is secreted. Any response by the dog would suggest contamination. Tests have shown that the decontamination procedures are effective in this case with the dog NOT alerting to the device when completed.
Use of the ST 100 is recommended when subject vehicles, property, clothing, premises are to be forensically protected from contamination by the dog, and for covert deployment. At all other times best practice would be for the dog to be given direct access.
Operational use of the ST100 is in a developmental stage.
'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement.
She will locate contaminated weapons, screen motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for minute human blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several washing machine cycles.
In training she has accurately located minute samples of blood on property up to thiry-six years old.
In order for the dog to locate the source the blood must have 'dried' in situ. Any 'wetting' once dried will not affect the dog's abilities.
Blood that is subjected to dilution by precipitation or other substantial water source prior to drying will soak into the ground or other absorbent material. This may dilute the scent to an unacceptable level for accurate location.
It is possible however that the EVRD will locate the scent source as it would for 'dead body' scent. Forensic testing may not produce evidence but any alert may provide intelligence to support other factors in the investigation of a crime.
The assets may be deployed upon request of a Senior Investigating Oficer (S.I.O.) following consultation with the appropriate S.M.E.'s and advisors.
The project team makes decisions on suitability for case deployment. Due to the very nature of the dog's presence, cross contamination and preservation of vital evidence at crime scenes must be considered prior to any deployment in consultation with the senior crime scene coordinator.
Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently tested and licensed mutually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling' programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.
POINTS TO ASSIST
Whilst it is stated that the E.V.RD. is originally trained using pig the following notes of guidance should be considered when assessing indications:
P In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.
> The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'
P Alerts given by the dog where no obvious human remains are found are supported by forensic evidence / anecdotal witness accounts.
> The dog, a scavenger, uses its olfactory system to locate food sources, identify its young and other pack members, enemies and predators over large distances. It can track its prey identifying a direction of travel. This entails the dog being able to discriminate the time difference between footsteps using the sense of smell !
> The dog is an animal that's basic function in the wild is to scavenge food and procreate.
> In a domestic environment it responds to humans as a food source and bonds in the manner it would with other pack members.
> The reward of food and protection / close comfort provides the basis for a system to be adopted where the dog shows a willingness to respond in response to the reward. We are thereby able to 'train' the dog using conditioned responses to stimuli. Repetition and reward then ensure efficiency. Positive and negative reinforcement then shape the required behaviour in their role.
P Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.RD. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response.
> Although the dog is 'trained' using reward based methods the behaviour shaping and enforcement regime produces an asset that does not false alert unlike electronic devices.
> Pseudo scent is a chemically produced product that its manufacturers claim to resemble 'dead body scent'. Although some trainers have had limited success when tested on my dogs they showed no interest.
> Operational finds backed by forensic corroboration have shown that the system adopted by me in the training of the dogs is both effective and efficient.
Acting in my role of advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States. These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I introduced pig based products into training assessments 100% of the animals alerted to the medium.
> The result from scientific experiment and research to date would tend to support the theory that the scent of human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train' the dog to distinguish between the two.
That is not to say that this may not be possible in the future.
> The odour target of cadaver is scientifically explained through 'volatile compounds" that in a certain configuration are received by the dog as a receptor. Recognition then gives a conditioned response 'ALERT'. Despite considerable research and analytical investigation the compounds cannot be replicated in laboratory processes. Therefore the 'alert' by dogs without a tangible source cannot be forensically proven at this time.
> 'Dead body scent' cannot be removed by cleaning. The compounds adhere to surfaces. The scent can be 'masked' by bleach and other strong smelling odours but the dog's olfactory system is able to separate odour and identify specific compounds' and mixes to cellular level. A similar system would be a device similar to an electron microscope.
> In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains.
>The dog's olfactory system is so highly developed that it continues to be efficient at cellular level:
Distinguish the time difference between footprints to give a direction of travel.
Distinguish live from dead within minutes.
Distinguish human blood from other species where the chemical constituent parts are identical.
Identify the EXACT location of blood so small in size that when forensically recovered will NOT provide a full DNA strand despite low copy DNA analysis.
> Scientists accept that there is no forensic testing equipment as discriminatory as the dogs olfactory system at this present moment in time.
>All research and training of the dogs within this program is completed in conjunction with a team of scientists for differing fields of expertise. They have in the past and will continue to endorse the dogs used within the field of homicide investigations.
the spaniels confirmed she died in the apartment.
THE DOGS WERE NOT POLICE DOGS
INDEPENDENTLY OWNED ...AND LATER WERE DISCOVERED THAT THEY WERE AKIN TO PERFORMING SEALS..DANCING TO THE TUNE OF THEIR WONER...SO THAT EVIDENCE IS COMPLETELY DISCREDITED
more absolute nonsense from a forum clown.
Martin Grime
UK NPIA Registered Subject Matter Expert
FBI Forensic Canine Program Specialist Adviser
OPERATION TASK
Personal profile
I am an U.K.A.C.P.O. accredited police dog training instructor in post at the Operational Support Services. I am a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison, I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training.
I am a Special Advisor to The U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, in relation to their Canine Forensic Program.
I am regularly deployed to assist in high profile homicide cases within my portfolio and form a 'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys.
My core role includes the training and operational handling of specialist search dogs in the fields of Human Victim Recovery and Forensic Crime Scene Investigation.
I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs. 'Eddie' is a 7-year old English Springer spaniel dog. 'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel pregnant dog. I also have a six-month old English Springer spaniel dog, puppy, in training, 'Morse' .
Search Asset Profile
'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the asset is conducted using pig as the subject matter for solid hides and human blood for fluid. The use of human remains for the purpose of training dogs in the U.K. is not acceptable at this point in time.
The dog has however considerable experience in operational recovery of human remains and evidential forensic material and has trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog involves the use of collection of 'Dead body scent' odour from corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact.
The E.V.R.D. will locate cadaver, whether in the whole or parts thereof; deposited surface or sub-surface to a depth of approximately 3-4 feet shortly after death to the advanced stages of deposition and putrefaction through to skeletal. This includes incinerated remains even if large quantities of accelerant have been involved.
The dog will locate human cadaver in water either from the bank side or when deployed in a boat where a large area may be covered using a gridding system.
The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations. This may be completed by the dog being deployed directly to the subject area or by scent samples being taken on sterile gauze pads and the scent check being completed by scent discrimination exercise at a suitable venue.
The dog will alert to the presence of 'dead body' scent whether it is at source or some distance away from a deposition site. This enables the use of the dog to identify the exhaust of the scent through fissures in bedrock or watercourses. A geophysical survey of the area will then reduce the size of the search area.
The dog may be used to screen clothing, vehicles or property in a suitable environment. This is completed in a scent discrimination exercise where controls may be included to increase assurity.
I have developed the training of the E.V.R.D. to include the screening of scent pads taken from motor vehicles, property or scenes by a ST100 Scent Transference Unit. The unit is designed in a two-part design. The main body is a battery operated electrical device that draws air in at to the front and exhausts through the rear. There is no 're-circulation' of air within the unit. The second part is a 'grilled' hood that fits to the main body. A sterile gauze pad is fitted into the hood. When operated, the ST100 draws air through the hood and the sterile gauze pad and exhausts through
ports to the rear. 'Scent' is trapped in the gauze, which may then be forensically stored for use within scent discrimination exercises.
The ST 100 unit is cleaned following use in such a manner that no residual scent is apparent. This is checked by control measures where the dog is allowed to search a given area where the S 100 is secreted. Any response by the dog would suggest contamination. Tests have shown that the decontamination procedures are effective in this case with the dog NOT alerting to the device when completed.
Use of the ST 100 is recommended when subject vehicles, property, clothing, premises are to be forensically protected from contamination by the dog, and for covert deployment. At all other times best practice would be for the dog to be given direct access.
Operational use of the ST100 is in a developmental stage.
'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement.
She will locate contaminated weapons, screen motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for minute human blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several washing machine cycles.
In training she has accurately located minute samples of blood on property up to thiry-six years old.
In order for the dog to locate the source the blood must have 'dried' in situ. Any 'wetting' once dried will not affect the dog's abilities.
Blood that is subjected to dilution by precipitation or other substantial water source prior to drying will soak into the ground or other absorbent material. This may dilute the scent to an unacceptable level for accurate location.
It is possible however that the EVRD will locate the scent source as it would for 'dead body' scent. Forensic testing may not produce evidence but any alert may provide intelligence to support other factors in the investigation of a crime.
The assets may be deployed upon request of a Senior Investigating Oficer (S.I.O.) following consultation with the appropriate S.M.E.'s and advisors.
The project team makes decisions on suitability for case deployment. Due to the very nature of the dog's presence, cross contamination and preservation of vital evidence at crime scenes must be considered prior to any deployment in consultation with the senior crime scene coordinator.
Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently tested and licensed mutually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling' programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.
POINTS TO ASSIST
Whilst it is stated that the E.V.RD. is originally trained using pig the following notes of guidance should be considered when assessing indications:
P In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.
> The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'
P Alerts given by the dog where no obvious human remains are found are supported by forensic evidence / anecdotal witness accounts.
> The dog, a scavenger, uses its olfactory system to locate food sources, identify its young and other pack members, enemies and predators over large distances. It can track its prey identifying a direction of travel. This entails the dog being able to discriminate the time difference between footsteps using the sense of smell !
> The dog is an animal that's basic function in the wild is to scavenge food and procreate.
> In a domestic environment it responds to humans as a food source and bonds in the manner it would with other pack members.
> The reward of food and protection / close comfort provides the basis for a system to be adopted where the dog shows a willingness to respond in response to the reward. We are thereby able to 'train' the dog using conditioned responses to stimuli. Repetition and reward then ensure efficiency. Positive and negative reinforcement then shape the required behaviour in their role.
P Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.RD. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response.
> Although the dog is 'trained' using reward based methods the behaviour shaping and enforcement regime produces an asset that does not false alert unlike electronic devices.
> Pseudo scent is a chemically produced product that its manufacturers claim to resemble 'dead body scent'. Although some trainers have had limited success when tested on my dogs they showed no interest.
> Operational finds backed by forensic corroboration have shown that the system adopted by me in the training of the dogs is both effective and efficient.
Acting in my role of advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States. These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I introduced pig based products into training assessments 100% of the animals alerted to the medium.
> The result from scientific experiment and research to date would tend to support the theory that the scent of human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train' the dog to distinguish between the two.
That is not to say that this may not be possible in the future.
> The odour target of cadaver is scientifically explained through 'volatile compounds" that in a certain configuration are received by the dog as a receptor. Recognition then gives a conditioned response 'ALERT'. Despite considerable research and analytical investigation the compounds cannot be replicated in laboratory processes. Therefore the 'alert' by dogs without a tangible source cannot be forensically proven at this time.
> 'Dead body scent' cannot be removed by cleaning. The compounds adhere to surfaces. The scent can be 'masked' by bleach and other strong smelling odours but the dog's olfactory system is able to separate odour and identify specific compounds' and mixes to cellular level. A similar system would be a device similar to an electron microscope.
> In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains.
>The dog's olfactory system is so highly developed that it continues to be efficient at cellular level:
Distinguish the time difference between footprints to give a direction of travel.
Distinguish live from dead within minutes.
Distinguish human blood from other species where the chemical constituent parts are identical.
Identify the EXACT location of blood so small in size that when forensically recovered will NOT provide a full DNA strand despite low copy DNA analysis.
> Scientists accept that there is no forensic testing equipment as discriminatory as the dogs olfactory system at this present moment in time.
>All research and training of the dogs within this program is completed in conjunction with a team of scientists for differing fields of expertise. They have in the past and will continue to endorse the dogs used within the field of homicide investigations.
CagliariG 21 Sep 24 09:54
Sounds like a pen picture of yourself shafter, tell us where the body was hidden for 5 days?
ever heard of a freezer.
Sounds like a pen picture of yourself shafter, tell us where the body was hidden for 5 days?
ever heard of a freezer.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506725/Blood-McCanns-hire-car-DID-come-Madeleine.html
hire car with blood and dna was discovered in the boot,the same car the hatch was seen being left open open for several nights...it wasnt hired by then till over 3 weeks after she went awol..
hire car with blood and dna was discovered in the boot,the same car the hatch was seen being left open open for several nights...it wasnt hired by then till over 3 weeks after she went awol..
That was predictable shafter, where did they keep the freezer? And nobody noticed her absence for 5 days?
Thicket!!
Thicket!!
Gerry McCann's strange behaviour.?
For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?
Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry himself wrote this and mentioned that people had been supportive at the dump site.
This was of course before they were declared suspects, when the fund was bringing in money everyday and the wave of global sympathy was at its height. Gerry must have felt very relaxed and confident that he didnt need to hide this rather strange action.
But it is a strange thing to do isnt it?
You rent an apartment, the fridge breaks, and instead of getting the owner to replace or repair it you take it upon yourself to remove the fridge and dump it?
How do you know the owner hasnt got a brother who is a fridge repair expert??
You must admit its a VERY strange thing to do.
For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?
Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry himself wrote this and mentioned that people had been supportive at the dump site.
This was of course before they were declared suspects, when the fund was bringing in money everyday and the wave of global sympathy was at its height. Gerry must have felt very relaxed and confident that he didnt need to hide this rather strange action.
But it is a strange thing to do isnt it?
You rent an apartment, the fridge breaks, and instead of getting the owner to replace or repair it you take it upon yourself to remove the fridge and dump it?
How do you know the owner hasnt got a brother who is a fridge repair expert??
You must admit its a VERY strange thing to do.
s.kenbo 21 Sep 24 10:05
Stop embarrassing yourself, Rico.
kenbo ewe know asolutely fck all ydc..stick to laying bricks..its easier.
Stop embarrassing yourself, Rico.
kenbo ewe know asolutely fck all ydc..stick to laying bricks..its easier.
Makes David Icke look sane Kenbo, tbf he has law enforcement experience and probably picked up a lot of info whilst sitting in his cell!!
tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP
this is the fckn doylem who's giving an opinion on something he knows absolutely fck all about
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP
this is the fckn doylem who's giving an opinion on something he knows absolutely fck all about
I know you’re making a complete fool of yourself. Body in a freezer (have you ever seen a holiday let freezer?). MI6 ‘mates’. Facebook groups on the subject. Need I go on?
That is the start of another meltdown, always happens when he knows he is exposed!!
s.kenbo
I’m paraphrasing but the little I read on him this morning, he said, ‘the Manchester bombings at the arena didn’t happen’ and the people who sustained life changing injuries probably happened before they arrived there. As I said, a fruitcake.
Again, he made a documentary where he presented his case and that is available to watch, at least for the time being I think.
But they've gone after Hall in a big way, the current legal proceedings against him were preceded by the BBC attempting to do a hit piece on him. They want him silenced / cancelled.
At a pre-hearing a judge decided that Hall would not be permitted to defend what he did as a journalist in that he would not be permitted to present what is in his documentary as a means of justifying the investigative work he undertook as an independent journalist.
I believe Hall appealed this decision but not sure what the latest is.
So one could ask is he even getting a fair trial here if he's being prohibited from presenting to a court what is in his documentary.
I’m paraphrasing but the little I read on him this morning, he said, ‘the Manchester bombings at the arena didn’t happen’ and the people who sustained life changing injuries probably happened before they arrived there. As I said, a fruitcake.
Again, he made a documentary where he presented his case and that is available to watch, at least for the time being I think.
But they've gone after Hall in a big way, the current legal proceedings against him were preceded by the BBC attempting to do a hit piece on him. They want him silenced / cancelled.
At a pre-hearing a judge decided that Hall would not be permitted to defend what he did as a journalist in that he would not be permitted to present what is in his documentary as a means of justifying the investigative work he undertook as an independent journalist.
I believe Hall appealed this decision but not sure what the latest is.
So one could ask is he even getting a fair trial here if he's being prohibited from presenting to a court what is in his documentary.
GEORGE.B 21 Sep 24 08:30
And one of things he demonstrates through actual footage and news from the time, is right from the outset the involvement in the case of high level British politics, which he compares to another case from the time of a British toddler going missing on the continent, which got virtually no involvement from the British government / press.
And one of things he demonstrates through actual footage and news from the time, is right from the outset the involvement in the case of high level British politics, which he compares to another case from the time of a British toddler going missing on the continent, which got virtually no involvement from the British government / press.
Rico-Dangleflaps 21 Sep 24 10:05
Gerry McCann's strange behaviour.?
For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?
Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry McCann's strange behaviour.?
For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?
Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
No connection shafter, so like you he is clueless!!
this wasnt apartment 5A..was another place they hired .
Is Sir Michael English shafter,has the Med moved to a different continent or is it just your laying of my compy picks that has cracked you?
13 from 20 for 27.83 profit this month!!
13 from 20 for 27.83 profit this month!!
We are a forum full of gamblers. What are the odds of two parents, doctors too, disposing their daughter’s body?
Could any of you imagine what your wife would say or do if you suggested doing it? Yet for both to be complicit makes it almost impossible.
Could any of you imagine what your wife would say or do if you suggested doing it? Yet for both to be complicit makes it almost impossible.
GEORGE.B 21 Sep 24 08:30
And one of things he demonstrates through actual footage and news from the time, is right from the outset the involvement in the case of high level British politics, which he compares to another case from the time of a British toddler going missing on the continent, which got virtually no involvement from the British government / press.
the same involvement that had Goncalo Amoral the portuguese lead detective removed from the case becos he knew they were guilty..they sent a government spin doctor to portugal,Clarrence Mitchell,to act as the McCann spokesperson..
all for a missing child
And one of things he demonstrates through actual footage and news from the time, is right from the outset the involvement in the case of high level British politics, which he compares to another case from the time of a British toddler going missing on the continent, which got virtually no involvement from the British government / press.
the same involvement that had Goncalo Amoral the portuguese lead detective removed from the case becos he knew they were guilty..they sent a government spin doctor to portugal,Clarrence Mitchell,to act as the McCann spokesperson..
all for a missing child
anyways,believe what you's like..the truth will never come out.
next will be a D notice.
next will be a D notice.
You might learn more when they wheel you off to Broadmoor shafter, tbf you will make some of them look sane!!
McCanns' rental car was left open day and night for several days. The car was a silver Renault Scenic hatchback. Here is some more information about the car and its boot:
Smell: The car had an unpleasant smell.
Carpet: One man told police that he removed the carpet from the boot and tried to scrub it clean.
Forensic analysis: The car was dismantled and swabbed for forensic analysis after British sniffer dogs detected a scent in the boot.
Blood: A trace of Madeleine's blood was found in the boot.
DNA: A newspaper reported that "biological fluids" with an 80% match to Madeleine's DNA were found underneath the upholstery in the boot. However, the sample was too deteriorated to make a 100% match possible.
Forensic scientists' disputes: British forensic scientists disputed the claim that DNA showed Madeleine's body had been in the boot.
DNA samples: A UK forensics laboratory judged the DNA samples as "inconclusive". However, Dr Mark Perlin, a leading DNA scientist, claimed he could crack the samples in one week
nothing untoward here eh kenbo? ydc
Smell: The car had an unpleasant smell.
Carpet: One man told police that he removed the carpet from the boot and tried to scrub it clean.
Forensic analysis: The car was dismantled and swabbed for forensic analysis after British sniffer dogs detected a scent in the boot.
Blood: A trace of Madeleine's blood was found in the boot.
DNA: A newspaper reported that "biological fluids" with an 80% match to Madeleine's DNA were found underneath the upholstery in the boot. However, the sample was too deteriorated to make a 100% match possible.
Forensic scientists' disputes: British forensic scientists disputed the claim that DNA showed Madeleine's body had been in the boot.
DNA samples: A UK forensics laboratory judged the DNA samples as "inconclusive". However, Dr Mark Perlin, a leading DNA scientist, claimed he could crack the samples in one week
nothing untoward here eh kenbo? ydc
tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP
CagliariG 21 Sep 24 10:22
You might learn more when they wheel you off to Broadmoor shafter
pmsl the gift that keeps on giving.
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP
CagliariG 21 Sep 24 10:22
You might learn more when they wheel you off to Broadmoor shafter
pmsl the gift that keeps on giving.
DNA samples: A UK forensics laboratory judged the DNA samples as "inconclusive". However, Dr Mark Perlin, a leading DNA scientist, claimed he could crack the samples in one week
strangely his offer was ignored.
strangely his offer was ignored.
The more you type the more we laugh at you shafter, can't even tell a porkie without looking a complete mug!! LOL
callgaryliar 27 June 24 19:57
As far as I am aware I personally own the only method which will produce a long term profit,not a "system" as popularly refered to and devised after 2 decades + of research.My sole motivation for posting on any racing or betting forum is to give the average punter an edge.No more,no less.
As far as I am aware I personally own the only method which will produce a long term profit,not a "system" as popularly refered to and devised after 2 decades + of research.My sole motivation for posting on any racing or betting forum is to give the average punter an edge.No more,no less.
glentoby 26 Jan 18 21:50
As far as I am aware I personally own the only method which will produce a long term profit,not a "system" as popularly refered to and devised after 2 decades + of research.My sole motivation for posting on any racing or betting forum is to give the average punter an edge.No more,no less.
My method would be no good to the average or even prudent punter or greedy chancers.I had an offer to purchase it following a trial by 4 individuals on the BF Forum,over a year using it.Bound by copyright etc and proven beyond doubt the worth of it.
The only time I was tempted to sell I had an offer that was £40,000 short of the £600,000 I would accept.All documented and recorded for posterity.I would only sell on condition that the proceeds went to SSAFA,knowing full well that would be the only payoff.
The offer came from a well known tipping operation who continue to rip off punters Nationwide and now coming up to their most lucrative period.
It is still for sale but £600k is the minumum I would consider to part with it on behalf of SSAFA!!
sold yet?
As far as I am aware I personally own the only method which will produce a long term profit,not a "system" as popularly refered to and devised after 2 decades + of research.My sole motivation for posting on any racing or betting forum is to give the average punter an edge.No more,no less.
My method would be no good to the average or even prudent punter or greedy chancers.I had an offer to purchase it following a trial by 4 individuals on the BF Forum,over a year using it.Bound by copyright etc and proven beyond doubt the worth of it.
The only time I was tempted to sell I had an offer that was £40,000 short of the £600,000 I would accept.All documented and recorded for posterity.I would only sell on condition that the proceeds went to SSAFA,knowing full well that would be the only payoff.
The offer came from a well known tipping operation who continue to rip off punters Nationwide and now coming up to their most lucrative period.
It is still for sale but £600k is the minumum I would consider to part with it on behalf of SSAFA!!
sold yet?
A quick look at your CV to qualify your experience shafter:
Low level copper thief- failed
Woman beater- succeeded
Gambler - failed
Raconteur- failed
Have I missed anything apart from not leaving your grey Y fronts and bedsit for two decades?
Low level copper thief- failed
Woman beater- succeeded
Gambler - failed
Raconteur- failed
Have I missed anything apart from not leaving your grey Y fronts and bedsit for two decades?
any offers please pm tobymugs at imacompleteandutterfantasist@imaliar.com.
Your chance to see the original manuscript 18 October at Fakenham shafter and btw it will never be sold so you can give up bringing up decades old stuff, give your head a rest!! HTH
speaking of 'fruitcakes' tobymugs the oscar nominated forum clown.
18 th October at Fakenham shafter, you can meet the lady and hear what she knows about you, in the meantime keep on dancing like a whirling dervish, I an the lord of the dance!!
keep seething tobymugsgaryliar..or better still Fo@D.
Suspect confessed to abducting a girl in the Algarve……LBC….
not quite as it seems /reads, suspect confessed to fellow con in cell allegedly
might be just me but I think I,d rather confess to killing a 4/5 yr old than confessing to abducting and raping a 4 /5 yr old,which his cellmate alleged
sounds like a load of rollocks to me
sounds like a load of rollocks to me
formoftheace 25 Sep 24 18:28
Suspect confessed to abducting a girl in the Algarve……LBC….
a criminal saying he confessed? pmsl (patsy)
Suspect confessed to abducting a girl in the Algarve……LBC….
a criminal saying he confessed? pmsl (patsy)
Cell mate…..they’ll never find her unless they go down the Iraq make you talk road……
We all know they made a serious error in leaving her alone
and have paid the highest price
But what have they done to deserve this witch-hunt by this sick freak.
What makes someone so sick that he'll say anything to try and persude people
to think his way.
And this has been going since the start-same nonsence and lies on every Mccann thread over more than a decade.
He's even brought the Mccanns up on threads that have nothing to do with them.
He doesn't have any access to witness statements,CCTV,mobile records and plenty of other evidence.
The people that do have all this information seem convinced that she was taken by someone else and that
just eats away at him.
and have paid the highest price
But what have they done to deserve this witch-hunt by this sick freak.
What makes someone so sick that he'll say anything to try and persude people
to think his way.
And this has been going since the start-same nonsence and lies on every Mccann thread over more than a decade.
He's even brought the Mccanns up on threads that have nothing to do with them.
He doesn't have any access to witness statements,CCTV,mobile records and plenty of other evidence.
The people that do have all this information seem convinced that she was taken by someone else and that
just eats away at him.
Tbf his friend in MFI has also told him that the FBI are applying for permission to exhume Jack Ruby for a DNA test as a suspect is believed to be his great grandson!!
Not sure that the Portuguese police were convinced that she was taken .... and they had all the witness statements, etc
Saying they had all the evidence then is just another lie.
In other words there has been no new evidence in the 16 years following the first two months.
They didn't have access to Brueckner's phone or email account at the time
In other words there has been no new evidence in the 16 years following the first two months.
They didn't have access to Brueckner's phone or email account at the time
I would say the complete opposite of those investigating who have got far more access to info the vast maj don't believe she was abducted
looks like we have 3-4 amateur sleuths above that hadnt got a scooby about the whole scenario..
JML 26 Sep 24 17:08
We all know they made a serious error in leaving her alone
im assuming ewe were there to know this?
We all know they made a serious error in leaving her alone
im assuming ewe were there to know this?
Where was the freezer kept shafter and how was she not missed in the days from when she died i.e the Sunday?
Amateur Sleuth.
SIO, RCS, Det C.Supt, OC OPS!!
Amateur Sleuth.
SIO, RCS, Det C.Supt, OC OPS!!
CagliariG 26 Sep 24 17:46
Where was the freezer kept shafter
scullery.
Where was the freezer kept shafter
scullery.
tobymugs..ewe obv know absolutely fck all the case sew stick to selling betting cisterns YFDSC.
glentoby 26 Jan 18 21:50
As far as I am aware I personally own the only method which will produce a long term profit,not a "system" as popularly refered to and devised after 2 decades + of research.My sole motivation for posting on any racing or betting forum is to give the average punter an edge.No more,no less.
My method would be no good to the average or even prudent punter or greedy chancers.I had an offer to purchase it following a trial by 4 individuals on the BF Forum,over a year using it.Bound by copyright etc and proven beyond doubt the worth of it.
The only time I was tempted to sell I had an offer that was £40,000 short of the £600,000 I would accept.All documented and recorded for posterity.I would only sell on condition that the proceeds went to SSAFA,knowing full well that would be the only payoff.
The offer came from a well known tipping operation who continue to rip off punters Nationwide and now coming up to their most lucrative period.
It is still for sale but £600k is the minumum I would consider to part with it on behalf of SSAFA!!
glentoby 26 Jan 18 21:50
As far as I am aware I personally own the only method which will produce a long term profit,not a "system" as popularly refered to and devised after 2 decades + of research.My sole motivation for posting on any racing or betting forum is to give the average punter an edge.No more,no less.
My method would be no good to the average or even prudent punter or greedy chancers.I had an offer to purchase it following a trial by 4 individuals on the BF Forum,over a year using it.Bound by copyright etc and proven beyond doubt the worth of it.
The only time I was tempted to sell I had an offer that was £40,000 short of the £600,000 I would accept.All documented and recorded for posterity.I would only sell on condition that the proceeds went to SSAFA,knowing full well that would be the only payoff.
The offer came from a well known tipping operation who continue to rip off punters Nationwide and now coming up to their most lucrative period.
It is still for sale but £600k is the minumum I would consider to part with it on behalf of SSAFA!!
Of course it was which would be why the Cadaver dog indicated there? Nobody noticed it being removed with a body in or not?
ewe spew more absolute and utter sh1te that the Jaywick sewage works.
trying doing some research toby ysoc or reading the PJ files.
Making you look like a James Hunt is so easy shafter, you are a sad old and lonely fantasist!!!
pmsl tobymugs accusing someone of being a fantasist..
LOL back at you shafter, you run away every opportunity offered to you..........why?
CagliariG 26 Sep 24 17:52
Making you look like a James Hunt is so easy shafter, you are a sad old and lonely fantasist!!!
tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Making you look like a James Hunt is so easy shafter, you are a sad old and lonely fantasist!!!
tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
tobymugs..the whole forum nahs ewe are jussed a SOC who talks absolute and utter pony.
'proven'.
'proven'.
tobymugs and JML knowledge of the madeleine mccanns case combined absolutely fck hall apart from what they read in the sun. Pair of absolute tateys.
Feel free to prove that shafter and I will reciprocate with how an avatar, one of 14 btw was the reality and then show how you claimed to be in touch with Paul was a cast iron lie?
.... Its in the archives Glen and you know it, give me a quiet half hour and I will post it for All the forum to see.
Exactly GC, I have never denied that post but the morons who jumped on the bandwagon never bothered with the previous or the context. Why bother when you were a pack of howling wolves sniffing blood?
Btw feel free to include shafters " Contacted my account manager" etc and boasting about getting another one banned and Pauls actual response?
Do highlighted statements make you feel brave GC or just look idiotic making a true statement?
Like shafter, prove yourself?
Like shafter, prove yourself?
Put it to bed for good the case will never be solved…..needle & haystack
Correct Formy, that is my last post on the thread as the Accused seems to have changed his plea under the weight of evidence.
Who might the accused be GC, YOU or Shafter?
Both low level trolls who thrive on death or serious seekers of truth?
Both low level trolls who thrive on death or serious seekers of truth?
Btw that was also reference to the opening post i.e Hidden truth!!! HTH
Here is something for Shafter to share with his fellow conspiracists, not known by any media, remember your Prime Ministers resignation being shared before anyone knew Shafter?
A large bearded man carrying a child close to his chest, the child's head in the crook of his right arm and the apartments also on his right, a car with an open boot waiting.
Then a boat with potholes below a deck and and a mast!
This is in a sealed envelope, signed and dated and which negates all the conspiracy crap!!!
A large bearded man carrying a child close to his chest, the child's head in the crook of his right arm and the apartments also on his right, a car with an open boot waiting.
Then a boat with potholes below a deck and and a mast!
This is in a sealed envelope, signed and dated and which negates all the conspiracy crap!!!
CagliariG 26 Sep 24 18:01
Feel free to prove that shafter and I will reciprocate with how an avatar, one of 14 btw was the reality and then show how you claimed to be in touch with Paul was a cast iron lie?
you wished cancer on him ydc...why would i lie? i spoke to him every few weeks till he passed,why the fck would i lie about that? ewe are a complete and utter SOC. F0@d.
Feel free to prove that shafter and I will reciprocate with how an avatar, one of 14 btw was the reality and then show how you claimed to be in touch with Paul was a cast iron lie?
you wished cancer on him ydc...why would i lie? i spoke to him every few weeks till he passed,why the fck would i lie about that? ewe are a complete and utter SOC. F0@d.
You did LIE Shafter and the proof is waiting for you!!
Post what Shafter? I would rather wait until you turn up whatever IT might be?
tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.Laugh
You own a betting system valued at 600k + Laugh
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.Laugh
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.Laugh
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.Laugh
You own a betting system valued at 600k + Laugh
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.Laugh
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.Laugh
Hey Tobymugs - remember this beauty of a post of yours from May 2020?
Please note the sentence I've highlighted.
Intrigued as to what a 123Kg tuna looked like, I Googled '123Kg tuna'. There right at the top of the results page of my search was a link to an article in an Australian newspaper published several years ago. Here's the article.....
Notice anything similar regarding the weights of the fish in the May 2020 post and those in the newspaper clipping? Maybe they were returned to the sea by the Aussies to embark on a seven-year-plus journey to Italy?
Please note the sentence I've highlighted.
Intrigued as to what a 123Kg tuna looked like, I Googled '123Kg tuna'. There right at the top of the results page of my search was a link to an article in an Australian newspaper published several years ago. Here's the article.....
Notice anything similar regarding the weights of the fish in the May 2020 post and those in the newspaper clipping? Maybe they were returned to the sea by the Aussies to embark on a seven-year-plus journey to Italy?
Apart from your fantasies and porkies, do you have a life?
I can tell all but your chance to contribute to your own legend?
I can tell all but your chance to contribute to your own legend?
Cruel tbf so I hope Jimmy Dean and Elvis are finding your company as exotic as you find as the Forum finds your own, who makes the coffee?
ch5 now..the murder of jon benet ramsey...
another cover up.
another cover up.
Anyone remember the case from about 10 years ago of a professional gambler being shot.
It was a difficult case for the police because when they asked "who would hate this person enough to want him dead"
they were left with literally dozens of suspects,in fact there was very few who knew him that didn't hate him.
Any one know if they managed to find the needle in the haystack and what sentance did they get?
It was a difficult case for the police because when they asked "who would hate this person enough to want him dead"
they were left with literally dozens of suspects,in fact there was very few who knew him that didn't hate him.
Any one know if they managed to find the needle in the haystack and what sentance did they get?
yes it was a knitting needle..and the sentence contained no spelling mistakes..unlike the clown who wrote the comment above.
I watched a documentary on the Benet Ramsey case years ago. Was a good watch and another intriguing case.
Keep the subject on Madeline case please for rico's sake....It lights him up like a Christnas Tree ffs.
jon benet died in house..another couple protected by the Boulder state attorney becos they were the Boulder pin up couple...
power is everything.
power is everything.
Sickos default setting of blaming the parents is probably due to him being a sh!t parent himself.
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