Stoute To Retire At End Of The Season...

Legendary trainer Sir Michael Stoute has announced he will stop training at the end of the year, bringing to a close a glittering career spanning six decades.

Stoute, 78, has trained numerous champions, including the peerless Shergar, one of six Derby winners, as well as the likes of Shareef Dancer, Zilzal and Harbinger, an emphatic winner of the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes.

The trainer first scored at the highest level when Blue Cashmere won the 1974 Nunthorpe Stakes and his most recent Group 1 winner was Bay Bridge, who landed the 2022 Champion Stakes at Ascot.

In a statement to the PA news agency, Stoute said: “I have decided to retire from training at the end of this season.

“I would like to thank all my owners and staff for the support they have given me over the years. It has been a great and enjoyable journey.”

Stoute has been champion trainer on ten occasions and between 1985 and 2022 there were only four seasons in which he did not send out a Group 1 winner.

Beginning with Etienne Gerard in the 1977 Jersey Stakes, Stoute has sent out 82 winners at Royal Ascot, second only to Aidan O'Brien, and he has been leading trainer at the meeting six times.

A great trainer with an excellent record when as well as all his Group and Royal Ascot winners would even manage a Champion Hurdle too.

Gone against his filly in the first at Leic acey, something I would not have entertained during his glory years. Surprised no mention of Workforce in that report considering he was beaten in the Dante then won the Derby, thrashed by Harbinger and SMS said not to worry he will come back from that, he did and won the Arc!!

Punters Pal who's Horse's were consistent in the mane.

Name a better over the past six decades…..

Andre Fabre.

On par…

Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP

Apologies acey, the 1510 hrs Leic!!

A very good trainer who came from a non racing background so no big stable to inherit from Dad or other relatives. It is the right time to stop though.

Well ahead of his time.

Little Singspiel globetrotting in Japan, UAE, Canada and Breeders Cup
(fun fact Singspiel got smashed by Celtic Swing as a 2yo, but was miles ahead of the rest of the field)

Also, always intrigued behind the thought processes of Stoute and Sheikh Mohammed to running Kribensis in the NH arena.

ps what a stable over the years ,  Shergar no1 .1,000 Guineas – (2) – Musical Bliss (1989), Russian Rhythm (2003)
2,000 Guineas – (5) – Shadeed (1985), Doyoun (1988), Entrepreneur (1997), King's Best (2000), Golan (2001)
Ascot Gold Cup – (2) – Shangamuzo (1978), Estimate (2013)
Champion Hurdle – (1) – Kribensis (1990)
Champion Stakes – (3) – Pilsudski (1997), Kalanisi (2000), Bay Bridge (2022)
Cheveley Park Stakes – (3) – Marwell (1980), Gay Gallanta (1994), Regal Rose (2000)
Commonwealth Cup - (1) - Eqtidaar (2018)
Coronation Cup – (5) – Saddlers' Hall (1992), Opera House (1993), Singspiel (1997), Daliapour (2000), Ask (2009)
Coronation Stakes – (4) – Sonic Lady (1986), Milligram (1987), Exclusive (1998), Russian Rhythm (2003)
Christmas Hurdle - (2) - Kribensis (1988, 1989)
Derby – (6) – Shergar (1981), Shahrastani (1986), Kris Kin (2003), North Light (2004), Workforce (2010), Desert Crown (2022)
Dewhurst Stakes – (1) – Ajdal (1986)
Diamond Jubilee Stakes - (1) - Dream of Dreams (2021)
Eclipse Stakes – (6) – Opera House (1993), Ezzoud (1994), Pilsudski (1997), Medicean (2001), Notnowcato (2007), Ulysses (2017)
Falmouth Stakes – (6) – Royal Heroine (1983), Sonic Lady (1986, 1987), Lovers Knot (1998), Integral (2014), Veracious (2019)
Fighting Fifth Hurdle - (1) - Kribensis (1989)
Fillies' Mile – (2) – Untold (1985), Red Bloom (2003)
Diamond Jubilee Stakes – (1) – Dafayna (1985)
Haydock Sprint Cup – (3) – Green Desert (1986), Ajdal (1987), Dream of Dreams (2020)
International Stakes – (6) – Shardari (1986), Ezzoud (1993, 1994), Singspiel (1997), Notnowcato (2006), Ulysses (2017)
July Cup – (3) – Marwell (1981), Green Desert (1986), Ajdal (1987)
King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes – (6) – Shergar (1981), Opera House (1993), Golan (2002), Conduit (2009), Harbinger (2010), Poet's Word (2018)
King's Stand Stakes – (1) – Marwell (1981)
Lockinge Stakes – (8) – Scottish Reel (1986), Safawan (1990), Soviet Line (1995, 1996), Medicean (2001), Russian Rhythm (2004), Peeress (2006), Mustashry (2019)
Nassau Stakes – (7) – Triple First (1977), Optimistic Lass (1984), Kartajana (1990), Hawajiss (1994), Islington (2002), Russian Rhythm (2003), Favourable Terms (2004)
Nunthorpe Stakes – (2) – Blue Cashmere (1974), Ajdal (1987)
Oaks – (2) – Fair Salinia (1978), Unite (1987)
Prince of Wales's Stakes – (4) – Hard Fought (1981), Stagecraft (1991), Poet's Word (2018), Crystal Ocean (2019)
Queen Anne Stakes – (3) – Kalanisi (2000), Medicean (2001), No Excuse Needed (2002)
Queen Elizabeth II Stakes – (3) – Shadeed (1985), Milligram (1987), Zilzal (1989)
Racing Post Trophy – (1) – Dilshaan (2000)
St. James's Palace Stakes – (1) – Shaadi (1989)
St. Leger Stakes – (1) – Conduit (2008)
Sun Chariot Stakes – (4) – Triple First (1977), Kartajana (1990), Peeress (2005), Integral (2014)
Sussex Stakes – (3) – Sonic Lady (1986), Zilzal (1989), Among Men (1998)
Triumph Hurdle - (1) - Kribensis (1988)
Yorkshire Oaks – (9) – Fair Salinia (1978), Sally Brown (1985), Untold (1986), Hellenic (1990), Pure Grain (1995), Petrushka (2000), Islington (2002, 2003), Quiff (2004)
Canada Canada

Canadian International Stakes – (3) – Singspiel (1996), Hillstar (2014), Cannock Chase (2015)
E.P. Taylor Stakes – (1) – Ivor's Image (1986)
France France

Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud – (3) – Gamut (2004), Mountain High (2007), Spanish Moon (2009)
Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe – (1) – Workforce (2010)
Prix du Moulin de Longchamp – (1) – Sonic Lady (1986)
Prix de l'Abbaye de Longchamp – (1) – Marwell (1981)
Prix de l'Opéra – (4) – Royal Heroine (1983), Bella Colora (1985), Petrushka (2000), Zee Zee Top (2003)
Prix Royal-Oak – (2) – Allegretto (2007), Ask (2009)
Germany Germany

Bayerisches Zuchtrennen – (2) – Greek Dance (2000), Linngari (2008)
Grosser Preis von Baden – (1) – Pilsudski (1996)
Hong Kong Hong Kong

Hong Kong Bowl – (1) – Soviet Line (1994)
Hong Kong Vase – (1) – Daliapour (2000)
Republic of Ireland Ireland

Irish 1,000 Guineas – (1) – Sonic Lady (1986)
Irish 2,000 Guineas – (1) – Shaadi (1989)
Irish Champion Stakes – (2) – Cézanne (1994), Pilsudski (1997)
Irish Derby – (3) – Shergar (1981), Shareef Dancer (1983), Shahrastani (1986)
Irish Oaks – (6) – Fair Salinia (1978), Colorspin (1986), Unite (1987), Melodist (1988, dead heat), Pure Grain (1995), Petrushka (2000)
Matron Stakes – (2) – Favourable Terms (2003), Echelon (2007)
Pretty Polly Stakes – (1) – Promising Lead (2008)
Tattersalls Gold Cup – (2) – Opera House (1992), Notnowcato (2007)
Italy Italy

Gran Criterium - (1) - Northern Tempest (1983)
Oaks d'Italia – (2) – Ivor's Image (1986), Melodist (1988)
Japan Japan

Japan Cup – (2) – Singspiel (1996), Pilsudski (1997)     And all this when racing was competitive at the top not like these days , he challenged cecil, harwood, hern,vincent , too name a few of true greats

CagliariG 10 Sep 24 12:53 
Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP

More nonsense….

Undoubtedly a great trainer , but a sad throwback to the 50/60/70s in  a lack  of communicating with the media. Thank goodness for O'Brien , Appleby , Burke ,etc helping to drag the sport into the 21st century.

I suppose it was a fairly short step from the Flat to the Triumph Hurdle for Kribensis and having won that, going on over hurdles made sense. He was not top class on the flat as I recall.

Pound for pound he’s as good as any you care to mention…..

Do you actually believe what the trainers say in public?

Not many people I believe tbh

Regarding Stoute the stats are there for all to see tbf…

as his yard,feed,staff his training techniques wont have changed just goes to prove it s a number,s.money/owners game

tobymugs spouting more absolute and utter pony..

#WAC

I wouldn't take a single word he says seriously after coming out with that. Not that I did anyway!

may or may not be true but back in the day when stoute/Cecil send decent long distance maidens to Redcar,they used to share a horse box and their lads were always playing pool/having a pint in the PIG AND WHISTLE [ NOW DEMOLISHED } and they always new which was going to win,start fav,little money making machine like THE  FAV winning THE MAIDEN in the last at Windsor over a MILE +

tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP

Shafter reduced to low level trolling and even knowing he has been shafted with facts continues to show why he is the closest competitor to Quixall as the Forums biggest loser, takes some doing given Gaze et al!!!

Btw have you not cottoned on yet about the wrong species and Continent not to mention SMS is not English you cretin!!! LOL

Sad day for the sport. A training great imho. Huge shame Desert Crown's career cut short and Passenger injured this season. An era of old-school trainers gradually dying out and for anyone who grew to love Flat racing following it in the 80s and 90s the end of Stoute's career feels like losing another much cherished icon of the sport, along with the likes of Henry Cecil and Luca Cumani…

Ladies and gentlemen, we are now commencing our approach to Bridgetown, Barbados
The weather is fine with a maximum temperature of ninety degrees Fahrenheit
The sky is blue and the palm trees are really cool
Captain Willcock and his crew hope you have had a pleasant flight
And that you will fly Coconut Airways again.

He didn't wanna be a racehorse trainer all his life
He'd seen too much of Newmarket town in the night
Fly away on Coconut Airways
Fly me high, Barbados sky

Woh
He's going to Barbados
Woh
Back to the palm trees

As far as public face is concerned, I was first interested in racing at a time when I had never seen a photograph of most trainers, never mind seen them interviewed on TV. It never affected my views on which could do the job and which could not. George Todd, Jack Jarvis, Noel Murless, Boyd Rochford, all very good but the only one I would recognise a picture of is Murless. I would recognise the top jump trainers from 1950 on as I saw them on course but hardly ever went flat racing before 1964.

best  trainers in uk imho from the late 70s to now                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   1 cecil                                                                                                                                           
2 hern                                                                                                                                             
3 stoute                                                                                                                                           
4 saaed bin suroor                                                                                                                                           
5 gosden                                                                                                                                            6 harwood                                                                                                                                           7 john dunlop                                                                                                                                      8 cumani                                                                                                                                           
9 barry hills                                                                                                                                     
10 brittain`

oops

Dusty bin saroor ffs.

Anyone on the treble

Geoff Wragg shocking omission.

gosden should be next

terrible that no new trainer has come along in the last 20 years to be in the top 10, maybe Appleby in time,

I have to say having worked for Major Hern and Gosden i wouuld put Beckett who i also worked for right up ith any of them.

That list suggests you have to have the wealthiest owners backing you to be considered great

BULLSHIT!

David Elsworth is in that list

Aye with even.

Richard Hannon senior should be in that list too

He didn't go out with a whimper, he went out with his highest ever win tally and strike rate combined

Just started to get interested in racing when Stoute burst on to the scene about 1975 seem to recall listening to Blue Cashmere win  the Temple Stakes @ Sandown on radio.  Just read he was his 1st group winner in previous years Nunthorpe.

knew id miss some top names, agree r hannon snr should be there.

some favourite trainers of mine were Alec Stewart, Thommpson-Jones in that period

Ian Balding anywhere?
Haggas?

Mr Stoute is a great trainer. He's been training horses for a long, long while now. I think he's right up there with Sir Cecil and Harwood. I think to retire when he's not enjoying the training as much as he used to is the correct decision; life is too short, and many other things to do post retirement.

Another legend away from the racing scene. Sad, but inevitable.

Great trainer over the years. A man who had the confidence to select ONE runner in a big race instead of a posse. And usually got it right.

Oh yes! Cecil, Stoute, Harwood and Cumani were no fan of multiple runners in a big race. Also, no team tactic deployed either.

They didn't have the strength in depth OBrien's got.

Crikey they should be so lucky impossible , the comparative quality of depth between Aidan vs those other four is off the charts   

ire weren't as strong when stoute was in his prime,kinane riding for stoute,Newmarket basically new the group race pecking order so not as much need for multiple entries, shots to nothing,trainers taking a swing

2009 King George 1 Conduit
                 2 Tartan Bearer
                 3 Ask

Dancing Brave's King George,Stoute had Sharastani & Shadari,might have had
even 1 More.
Look at past Derby's those trainers had more than 1 rnr on many occasions.

i recall cecil having tenby and the actual winner, tenby was fav, but i do remember henry saying he was running tenby but with a massive doubt for the trip, as usual he was correct.

Commander In Chief.

Multiple runners isn't just about winning races it's a strategy for progressing horses throughout the campaign , Aidan has no other option with such numerous quality in practically every distance , for those nostalgia trainers mentioned they'd have to be running horses over the wrong trip/ground to be getting more than two to post in any top class race.

Just a reminder you can appreciate how good the last millennium trainers were without continually needing a pop at the best of the modern era as racing is different now in so many ways , so running more than one horse in a top class race is nothing to do with being short on confidence.

Good luck tonight chaps   

pundits were no better back then certain phrasese you never forget and i remember them saying, TENBY would come round tattenham corner like a ball rolling around inside  a barrel and push up,what they meant was he was tiny for a 3 yr old

There were two pacemakers for Bustino in the King George , can't quite remember their names though albeit 200/1 chances i think so in the race for a purpose , you can easily class that as part of a team tactic.

Don't get me started on Pitman with Golden Freeze   

Did we ever hear Michael Stoute explain how Champion Sprinter to be Ajdal ran in the Derby?

Extrordinary transition

June 1987 Epsom Derby 12f
July 1987 July Cup     6f

If all horses were given time to reach their peak, the history books would be different.  Looking for champions at 2 and 3 is wrong and has probably destroyed many a horse. Imho we just run them too early and too quick.

Dark  Top-rated European Sprinter (1987)
Timeform Best Sprinter (1987)
Timeform rating: 130 in 1986 and 1987
Ajdal (2 April 1984 – 19 August 1988) was an American-bred, British-trained Thoroughbred racehorse and sire. He was one of the leading European two-year-old of 1986, when he was unbeaten in three races including the Dewhurst Stakes. In the early part of 1987 he was aimed at the classics but after winning the Craven Stakes on his debut, he was beaten in the 2000 Guineas, Irish 2,000 Guineas and Epsom Derby. He was then switched to shorter distances and emerged as the best European sprinter of the year, winning the July Cup, William Hill Sprint Championship and Vernons Sprint Cup.

Background
Ajdal was a bay colt with three white socks bred in Maryland by Ralph C. Wilson Jr. He was from the nineteenth crop of foals sired by Northern Dancer, the winner of the 1964 Kentucky Derby and one of the most influential sires of the 20th century. Ajdal's dam Native Partner was a half sister of Jim French and a top-class racemare whose wins included the Maskette Handicap in 1970. Apart from Ajdal she produced several other winners including (Formidable), Flying Partner (Fantasy Stakes) and Fabuleux Jane (Prix de Pomone).[2]

The yearling was consigned by Wilson's Oxford Stable to the Keeneland Sales in July 1985 and attracted strong interest. The bidding reached $7.5 million before Sheikh Mohammed dropped out when he realised that he was bidding against the colt's breeder. The price set a record for a breeder "buying back" his own horse which stood until 2008 when Michael Paulson went to $7.7 million to retain Vallenzeri, the horse later known as Take Control.[3] The Sheikh later purchased the yearling privately for an undisclosed sum and gave him the name Ajdal, an Arabic word meaning "handsome".[4] Ajdal was sent into training with Michael Stoute at Newmarket, Suffolk and was ridden in most of his races by Walter Swinburn.

Racing career
1986: two-year-old season
Ajdal began his racing career by winning a race over six furlongs at Doncaster Racecourse in September. Later that month he was moved up in class and distance for the Mornington Stakes over seven furlongs at Ascot Racecourse and won impressively. In October the colt was again stepped up in class to contest Britain's most prestigious race for two-year-olds, the Group One Dewhurst Stakes at Newmarket. Despite never having run in a Group race, Ajdal was made the 4/9 favourite against four opponents which included the Middle Park Stakes winner Mister Majestic (20/1). Swinburn positioned the colt just behind the leaders before taking the lead a furlong from the finish. Ajdal quickly accelerated clear of the field and seemed poised to win easily, but in the final strides he began to slow down and won by only three-quarters of a length from Shady Heights. Some observers felt that Ajdal was tiring in the closing stages, while others, including Timeform, felt that the colt was merely showing sign of inexperience. He looked likely to be named the year's leading two-year-old but his performance was surpassed eight days later when Reference Point won the William Hill Futurity.[2]

1987: three-year-old season
Ajdal began his three-year-old season as favourite for the 2000 Guineas and made his first appearance in the Craven Stakes over the Rowley Mile at Newmarket on 16 April. He started the 6/5 favourite and won by three-quarters of a length from the Richard Hannon Sr.-trained Don't Forget Me with Most Welcome in third place. Sixteen days later, over the same course and distance, Ajdal started 6/5 favourite against thirteen opponents in the 181st running of the 2000 Guineas. Swinburn settled Ajdal just behind the front-running Don't Forget Me, before attempting to challenge for the lead in the last quarter mile. He was unable to overtake the leader, and after being bumped by the subsequently disqualified Most Welcome in the closing stages, he finished fifth behind Don't Forget Me, beaten two lengths.[5] Ajdal reopposed Don't Forget Me in the Irish 2,000 Guineas at the Curragh on 16 May, with the two colts starting joint-favourites on 6/4. Ajdal finished third to his rival, but was disqualified after Swinburn failed to weigh in after the race.[6][7]

On 3 June, Ajdal was moved up in distance to contest the 208th Epsom Derby over one and a half miles at Epsom Downs Racecourse. He was considered unlikely to stay the distance[6] and started at odds of 25/1, with Swinburn opting to ride his stable companion Ascot Knight. Ridden by Ray Cochrane, Ajdal was reluctant to enter the stalls but ran prominently for much of the race before fading in the final quarter mile to finish ninth behind Reference Point. After running over one and a half mile, Ajdal was brought back to six furlongs for the Group One July Cup at Newmarket on 9 July. This required a change in the horse's training regime: after spending most of the year teaching the horse to relax and settle in a race, he now required "sharpening" to compete against specialist sprinters.[8] He started the third favourite behind the Vincent O'Brien-trained Bluebird, who had been an impressive winner of the King's Stand Stakes at Royal Ascot. Ajdal was among the leaders from the start before taking the lead approaching the final furlong and won by a head from the filly Gayane, with Bluebird in third. Stoute later admitted that it had taken him a long time to find Ajdal's best distance and described the early part of the colt's three-year-old campaign as "one of the biggest ****-ups".[8] In August, Ajdal raced over five furlongs for the first time when he contested the Group One William Hill Sprint Championship at York Racecourse and started 2/1 second favourite behind Bluebird. Swinburn sent the colt into the lead from the start and set a strong pace before pulling away in the last quarter mile to win by three lengths from Sizzling Melody in a time of 58.48 with Bluebird in fourth.[6]

In September at Haydock Park Racecourse, Ajdal started 8/11 favourite for the Vernons Sprint Cup, which was the most valuable sprint race in the United Kingdom despite only carrying Group Two status. Ajdal took the lead two furlongs from the finish and won decisively by two lengths from the five-year-old Sharp Romance. Ajdal's final race was the Prix de l'Abbaye over 1000 metres at Longchamp Racecourse in October. He started the 3/10 favourite but was poorly drawn and seemed unsuited by the firm ground, finishing seventh of the nine runners behind the Irish-trained filly Polonia.[6]

Ajdal --> Derby --> owner induced.

Sep 10, 2024 -- 7:58PM, impossible123 wrote:

Ajdal --> Derby --> owner induced.

YES!

The owner had history with running non stayers in Derby Sheikh Mohammed

Barathea like Ajdal won the Haydock 6f Group 1 and also ran in Derby against Cumani's wishes

mister baileys had one more run after derby over a mile in Sussex .stakes wonder if in different times in different hands he could have been a champion sprinter

Just Checked my memory has failed Barathea did not run, let alone win at Haydock over 6f

Sep 10, 2024 -- 8:02PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Just Checked my memory has failed Barathea did not run, let alone win at Haydock over 6f

But he did run in July Cup one time.

ven Swinburn knew that Ajdal shouldnt be in the derby. On 3 June, Ajdal was moved up in distance to contest the 208th Epsom Derby over one and a half miles at Epsom Downs Racecourse. He was considered unlikely to stay the distance[6] and started at odds of 25/1, with Swinburn opting to ride his stable companion Ascot Knight. Ridden by Ray Cochrane, Ajdal was reluctant to enter the stalls but ran prominently for much of the race before fading in the final quarter mile to finish ninth behind Reference Point.

The choir boy knew   

Carried on too long, seemingly looking for that last hurrah which never came.

arguebly that why Henry was the greatest trainer ever, he was finished and then came Frankel , and he knew straight away and it seems everyone knew that he had a real champion, and he trained it to be arguebly the best racehorse  of all time

Differentdrum -you are some waffler -he won the Derby in 2022.

Didn't Stoute forfeit a load of cash he had in a case at an airport in Barbados many years ago?

Got done by Julian Wilson for the BBC job.

Flat racing has changed, sadly for the worse since the glory days of Stoute, Cecil et al. I think the main issue people have with AOB is his total monopolisation and the way he'll happily run 5 or 6 in a classic and it often looks like they are being ridden according to team instructions. I thought that was supposed to be outlawed according to the official rules of the sport. No one withing the racing media is brave enough to ever pose that question. He often doesn't seem to know or care which one wins as long as one of them does win. Most of AOB's Classic winners are instantly forgettable for that reason.

Aiden is the best Trainer that has ever lived ffs.

Totally agree with Johnny. Aiden has five in the Leger, half the field. Doesn't that shout that he can't judge the best? If he was the greatest he would know the relative merits but as past results have shown he doesn't.

What happenned to Sir Michael Stoute's wife Lady Patricia Stoute

No DG it doesn't to me , it smacks of loving to run his horses without shying away from challenges like many and strategizing the season to keep them all match fit , the huge difference is the depth of quality which has never been rivalled.

The nostalgia trainers always mentioned from the eighties/nineties may have occasionally had two or rarely three in a race ( THE bustino race for example ) but they were largely pacemakers , difference with Aidan's so called pacemakers is they generally have a chance in the race such is the depth in stable quality.

As stated earlier though we can all love the nostalgic trip back to Hern , Cecil , Harwood etc but you don't have to be negative about the greatest modern day trainer in an attempt to elevate them any more than they are , that said nostalgia influences us all to wear rose coloured spectacles on occasions when looking back at the seemingly good old days , it's an age thing guys.

So why don't we all use common sense and concur that Aidan , Henry , Dick , Guy and Luca are all great trainers without an never ending obsession to keep comparing their greatness like some cheap competition that can and will never be proven.


Good luck today all , it's all about opinions   

Hayden how many other than AOB ever said " Best I have ever trained/seen) so many times that it brings into question " Greatness ", imo any of the trainers mentioned could have achieved as much or even more with the same quantity and quality AOB has been lucky to have, would he have achieved as much as THEM if he only had the material and numbers they had?

I remember reading that M Stoute said that G. Starkey had told him a few times that Adjal was a sprinter.

stoute was on a few weeks ago been interviewed by rishi and melish and he surprised them both by saying G SATARKEY was best horsemen,judge of a horse in the game ,that's why stoute sought him out to offer him a job

Hayden states his case well.

Hayden
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There were two pacemakers for Bustino in the King George , can't quite remember their names though albeit 200/1 chances i think so in the race for a purpose , you can easily class that as part of a team tactic.

The 2 Hern  pacemakers where Highest & Kinglet.

if we,d had multiple entries from AOB,gosden, mullins etc say 30 yrs ago would there have been a bigger clamour for coupling horses like in france

Thanks geoff , tip of my tongue but couldn't remember   

No 1sttp because anyone with a brain will apportion stakes if that's what they want to do , besides backing 2nd strings is one of my selective strategies or possibly even 3rd or 4th strings if it's a JP horse in Ireland   

Good trainer but I’m not sure he was a punters trainer, not a stable I would lump on a regular basis, one of my best punting days was at York japan at 6/1 beating stoutes odds on certainty when he came up against a p obrien, a lot of stoutes were over bet so not my favourite and didn’t communicate well, I seem to remember he was caught with a large sum of cash at the airport

Great trainer but always came across as a bad loser.

CHAMPION trainer Sir Michael Stoute is at the centre of a Customs investigation after he was stopped attempting to board a flight to Barbados carrying $60,000 (about pounds 40,000), writes Graham Green.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Customs+seize+$60,000+cash+from+Stoute%3B+Champion+trainer+stopped...-a068903719#:~:text=CHAMPION%20trainer%20Sir%20Michael%20Stoute%20is%20at%20the,carrying%20%2460%2C000%20%28about%20pounds%2040%2C000%29%2C%20writes%20Graham%20Green.

another top trainer id forgot about was of course Paul Cole

Yes he slipped right out the radar.

Had to chuckle when Adele said 'nobody ever said a bad word about him'. It's always the same when someone dies or retires. Why does honesty go out the window. She probably thinks nobody has ever said a bad word about her husband.

To interview Stoute was at best a pain in the arse, at worst he was just plain rude. Stoute and Moore standout performers in that regard. At one stage Stoute wanted to be a tv presenter so clearly nothing to do with him being shy.

True he was never easy to watch when being interviewed.

It was always like make this question your last one.

Some are good trainers and some are good interviewees.  Choose whichever you prefer.