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its now becoming more embarrassing for gosden and the owners than it is for shoemark
Acey n Calgiari thinks he is world class jockey 
Pair of tools....
Mediocrity at best this jockey.
Pair of tools....
Mediocrity at best this jockey.
Too far out of his ground. Worst draw but made no effort to improve on it.
I reckon he could soon be looking for a new job. The horse can be a pig though!
Horse has run a shocker, no jockey that has ever lived would have won on it.
lets be fair if you had a group horse and you had a choice of any jock no loyaly to anyone to ride,would shoemark be in your top 30 to 40,once your down to shoemark you might as well give the ride to the next jock you bump in to,good chance they,ll be as good if not better than shoemark
there's a dozen jocks up north riding for burke,Fahey,Ryan etc you,d but up without hesitation in front of shoemark
Does this make Gosden a mug or just a poor judge ?
Serious question
Serious question
Shoemark can't do right for doing wrong at the moment and his confidence is shot, yesterday there was a race when he went inside and got held up when he should have stayed wide.
Here he just had to get cover, she was keen and he knew it, there was a point in the race when he thought about trying to get her in, he looked to his right and dropped her back trying to get her covered but it didn't happen and he was left high and dry with a horse throwing its race away. He should have dropped her in right from the start, with his confidence the way it is he is being reactive rather than proactive and paying for it.
Here he just had to get cover, she was keen and he knew it, there was a point in the race when he thought about trying to get her in, he looked to his right and dropped her back trying to get her covered but it didn't happen and he was left high and dry with a horse throwing its race away. He should have dropped her in right from the start, with his confidence the way it is he is being reactive rather than proactive and paying for it.
Wouldnt make a good shoemaker tbf..requires some brain cells imv..
Duffy correct and him being below average to begin with no help tbf...
yeah he tried to get in but she wasn't that keen. a little coming down from the top of the hill. that was not the losing of the race
No body would've won on her today.Disappointed on a good few runs now.
The Ireland run was good,might have her own ideas now.Although out the back
she didn't really pick up what so ever.
The Ireland run was good,might have her own ideas now.Although out the back
she didn't really pick up what so ever.
was well beaten - being forced wide might be an excuse if you just fail to get there but ej was out of gas a furlong out
I'd not blame the jockey. Both Emily Upjohn and Inspiral have developed quirky minds with age.
The horse is a pig from a punters pov. I expect when retired Dettori will be the only jock to have managed to win on her.
forget today,inspiral there's a seasons worth of horses to choose from, a 1000 posts about it but very few I TOLD YOU SO,S , GOOD AS ANYONE
when Ryan Moore is one of your main rivals and he no,s your low on confidence badly drawen etc , etc ,makes his job all the easier,if he,s doing maj of things right whilst your doing maj of things wrong, only one outcome, Moore might not have won but shoemark was never beating Moore from after 500 yds
when Ryan Moore is one of your main rivals and he no,s your low on confidence badly drawen etc , etc ,makes his job all the easier,if he,s doing maj of things right whilst your doing maj of things wrong, only one outcome, Moore might not have won but shoemark was never beating Moore from after 500 yds
with dettori on may have fin 5th..didnt turn up.
Nobody is saying Emily would have won , Shoemark just didn’t enable her to run to her best today , even if that would have been only fourth.why would you give your biggest rival Opera Singer , a ten length start ?
Truth be known i don’t think there are many jockeys who ride Goodwood that well…..change from the seventies and eighties tbf….
Kieran the risen didn’t like the course that much….Piggot,Eddery,Carson and the likes never complained much….
Kieran the risen didn’t like the course that much….Piggot,Eddery,Carson and the likes never complained much….
Piggott was OK of course. Most of the others had their moments. I remember Eddery was normally excellent at Goodwood. He was having a nightmare one year in the 90's on the Wed I think. So bad I decided things must improve and backed all his runners the next day. No winners of course but he hit form the day after. Atm it seems like the current crop of jockeys are much of a muchness, Moore apart.
I remember the Risen commenting about the course…..
Looked and sounded like a young Kenneth Williams, a career in acting beckons if the riding goes pear shaped, " Oh Matron".
Emily Upjohn is a difficult ride more so as she gets older. She's sensitive to being lit-up. Maybe back her when she's least fancied or a complete outside eg in The Juddmonte, if she's entered.
Lead Artist, a ride worthy of any of the great names mentioned!!!
That was a magical ride from Kieron Shoemark. Catch me if you can tactic paid off big time. Well done backers!
....THATS Y HE APPEARED ON TV......Backed It !
GLASGOW
That's probably what he thinks when reading this forum , Infamy Infamy they've all goy it Infamy
Well done Kieran , pleasing viewing
That's probably what he thinks when reading this forum , Infamy Infamy they've all goy it Infamy
Well done Kieran , pleasing viewing
Cagliari just a had an orgasm.
What a Loser !
I suppose you throw enough Sh!t at it ...eventually it will stick
What a Loser !
I suppose you throw enough Sh!t at it ...eventually it will stick
Personally speaking, if I was asked if I thought that Shoemark would have at least one more winner before he expired, on balance I think I would probably have said yes
CagliariG 02 Aug 24 14:29
Lead Artist, a ride worthy of any of the great names mentioned!
Ffs stay away from the booze….
Lead Artist, a ride worthy of any of the great names mentioned!
Ffs stay away from the booze….
Seems a nice lad, if a bit camp. Looked like one of the Thunderbirds in the suit and glasses.
Like i said before anybody that thinks Shoemark is not top class is fakin dumb.
The Godens have 7 retained jockeys. As such, I'm not surprised Marquand, Murphy, Rossa Ryan, etc gave the job a miss.
'penzance', I do not. I was merely inferring nevertheless, I think Shoemark was not the only jockey approached for the post.
7 retained jockeys by owners who have horse/s with the Gosdens, therefore Shoemark couldn't ride them even if he wanted to, is what Gosden explained earlier today when interviewed,(referred to his 2 royal ascot winners as an example). In addition, when asked by Chapman if Shoemark had his 100% support, Gosden confirmed that he did.
Yes he did but that meant nothing at the end of the day.
However, it was later in 2008 that the first cracks emerged in Gosden's relationship with Fortune when the jockey was passed over in favour of Frankie Dettori for the winning ride aboard Raven's Pass in the Breeders' Cup Classic.
Gosden cited an issue with Fortune's fitness but the jockey rode the Gosden-trained Red Spider in the Racing Post Trophy at Doncaster on the same day as the Breeders' Cup.
The same situation arose again 12 months later when Gosden again elected to use other riders ahead of his own stable jockey at the Breeders' Cup.
Visibly agitated when quizzed by reporters over the situation, Gosden said: "It was a very difficult decision and not one I found easy to make. It is not my fault that my normal jockey has not experienced racing on American racetracks. You saw Frankie Dettori win two races here last year. The owners see that he is available. To them, it is a no-brainer. It's no fault of Jimmy's but he has never ridden here."
Fortune continued to ride for Gosden on the all-weather after the Breeders' Cup and was expecting to resume his role next month as part of the build-up to the new turf season.
"Of course I am extremely disappointed," he said. "It has been a good job and we have had five or six very successful years together but I feel as I am leaving on a high. Greater jockeys than me have lost their jobs before – Kieren Fallon and Mick Kinane have both experienced the same sort of thing and both of them didn't look back afterwards.
However, it was later in 2008 that the first cracks emerged in Gosden's relationship with Fortune when the jockey was passed over in favour of Frankie Dettori for the winning ride aboard Raven's Pass in the Breeders' Cup Classic.
Gosden cited an issue with Fortune's fitness but the jockey rode the Gosden-trained Red Spider in the Racing Post Trophy at Doncaster on the same day as the Breeders' Cup.
The same situation arose again 12 months later when Gosden again elected to use other riders ahead of his own stable jockey at the Breeders' Cup.
Visibly agitated when quizzed by reporters over the situation, Gosden said: "It was a very difficult decision and not one I found easy to make. It is not my fault that my normal jockey has not experienced racing on American racetracks. You saw Frankie Dettori win two races here last year. The owners see that he is available. To them, it is a no-brainer. It's no fault of Jimmy's but he has never ridden here."
Fortune continued to ride for Gosden on the all-weather after the Breeders' Cup and was expecting to resume his role next month as part of the build-up to the new turf season.
"Of course I am extremely disappointed," he said. "It has been a good job and we have had five or six very successful years together but I feel as I am leaving on a high. Greater jockeys than me have lost their jobs before – Kieren Fallon and Mick Kinane have both experienced the same sort of thing and both of them didn't look back afterwards.
Nick Luck
@nickluck
"We're reviewing options for who might already be in Deauville"
It sounds as though Inspiral could be set for a new jockey as she goes for a third Prix Jacques le Marois on Sunday:
https://x.com/nickluck/status/1820403163024781653
@nickluck
"We're reviewing options for who might already be in Deauville"
It sounds as though Inspiral could be set for a new jockey as she goes for a third Prix Jacques le Marois on Sunday:
https://x.com/nickluck/status/1820403163024781653
Yes sounds like he has got the heave ho.....I hope its plum last.
The rides on Emily and Inspiral are poisoned chalices imo...both past their best days and the trainer knows it...well,John does,not sure if Sadie knows the time of day..
The pressure is mounting on Kieran Shoemark, and with Cheveley Park considering a new jockey for Inspiral in the Prix Jacques le Marois on Sunday, could time be running out for John and Thady Gosden's retained jockey? Graeme Rodway and Tom Park have their say on whether the Gosdens should stick or twist with the rider . . .
Stick
By Graeme Rodway, deputy betting editor
How do you replace the irreplaceable? That has been the problem for John and Thady Gosden since Frankie Dettori left for America at the end of last year and it shouldn't be a surprise that it hasn't been all plain sailing for Kieran Shoemark as he has huge shoes to fill.
But has he really done that much wrong? Critics will point to Emily Upjohn and Shoemark's failure to get a Group 1 out of her, but I don't think any of her defeats have been jockey error.
Emily Upjohn (left) and Kieran Shoemark are collared late in the Group 1 Pretty Polly
Emily Upjohn (left) and Kieran Shoemark are collared late in the Group 1 Pretty Polly
Credit: Caroline Norris (racingpost.com/photos)
She was beaten ten and a half lengths in the Coronation Cup at Epsom and eight and a half lengths in the Nassau at Goodwood last week, while Shoemark actually gave her a good ride in the Pretty Polly at the Curragh in my book. He was just unlucky to bump into a top-class filly.
Bluestocking has since finished second in the King George and, if you take her out of the Pretty Polly, Shoemark would have steered Emily Upjohn to a wide-margin Group 1 victory.
Make no mistake, Shoemark is no Dettori but we won't see another one as good as the Italian for a long time and impressive front-running rides on Friendly Soul at Ascot, and Lead Artist at Goodwood, prove that Shoemark has the ability to cope with the task that is ahead of him.
The Gosden team almost always finishes the year strongly and Shoemark should be trusted to turn things around in the coming months. Confidence is the key and that comes with winners.
Twist
By Tom Park, audience editor
Unfortunately things are not working out for Kieran Shoemark this season and, while John Gosden has quite rightly pointed out that he has not had the quality of horse this year, he is clearly a jockey low on confidence and struggling with the pressure. Unless that changes fast, I fail to see how this relationship continues.
There were glimpses of brilliance last week. He was superb on Lead Artist in the Group 3 Thoroughbred Stakes, but unfortunately it is his rides on the big horses in the big races that have simply not been up to standard.
Emily Upjohn and Free Wind were the rides in particular that were heavily criticised by plenty last week. And rightly so. I don't think either of them were actually good enough to win their race, but the frustration for those who backed those horses is you knew they were beaten before they even entered the final couple of furlongs. Races are not always won by the best horse, but Shoemark doesn't seem to be winning races often enough when he is on the best horse, nor is he winning enough when he isn't.
Kieran Shoemark was criticised for his ride on Emily Upjohn (right) in the Nassau Stakes last week
Credit: Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)
He seems to be riding with fear. On Emily Upjohn and Free Wind last week he looked as if he was trying to stick to a pre-race script, but seldom do things work out that simple. At Goodwood, more than any other racecourse, you have to ride with an element of freedom.
He is, of course, an easy target. This is his first big job and he is following the biggest of footsteps. He is what David Moyes was in following Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.
Like Moyes, the level of expectation is not as high as last season, but he is not doing the job that is expected of him at the moment and someone else deserves the opportunity.
Stick
By Graeme Rodway, deputy betting editor
How do you replace the irreplaceable? That has been the problem for John and Thady Gosden since Frankie Dettori left for America at the end of last year and it shouldn't be a surprise that it hasn't been all plain sailing for Kieran Shoemark as he has huge shoes to fill.
But has he really done that much wrong? Critics will point to Emily Upjohn and Shoemark's failure to get a Group 1 out of her, but I don't think any of her defeats have been jockey error.
Emily Upjohn (left) and Kieran Shoemark are collared late in the Group 1 Pretty Polly
Emily Upjohn (left) and Kieran Shoemark are collared late in the Group 1 Pretty Polly
Credit: Caroline Norris (racingpost.com/photos)
She was beaten ten and a half lengths in the Coronation Cup at Epsom and eight and a half lengths in the Nassau at Goodwood last week, while Shoemark actually gave her a good ride in the Pretty Polly at the Curragh in my book. He was just unlucky to bump into a top-class filly.
Bluestocking has since finished second in the King George and, if you take her out of the Pretty Polly, Shoemark would have steered Emily Upjohn to a wide-margin Group 1 victory.
Make no mistake, Shoemark is no Dettori but we won't see another one as good as the Italian for a long time and impressive front-running rides on Friendly Soul at Ascot, and Lead Artist at Goodwood, prove that Shoemark has the ability to cope with the task that is ahead of him.
The Gosden team almost always finishes the year strongly and Shoemark should be trusted to turn things around in the coming months. Confidence is the key and that comes with winners.
Twist
By Tom Park, audience editor
Unfortunately things are not working out for Kieran Shoemark this season and, while John Gosden has quite rightly pointed out that he has not had the quality of horse this year, he is clearly a jockey low on confidence and struggling with the pressure. Unless that changes fast, I fail to see how this relationship continues.
There were glimpses of brilliance last week. He was superb on Lead Artist in the Group 3 Thoroughbred Stakes, but unfortunately it is his rides on the big horses in the big races that have simply not been up to standard.
Emily Upjohn and Free Wind were the rides in particular that were heavily criticised by plenty last week. And rightly so. I don't think either of them were actually good enough to win their race, but the frustration for those who backed those horses is you knew they were beaten before they even entered the final couple of furlongs. Races are not always won by the best horse, but Shoemark doesn't seem to be winning races often enough when he is on the best horse, nor is he winning enough when he isn't.
Kieran Shoemark was criticised for his ride on Emily Upjohn (right) in the Nassau Stakes last week
Credit: Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)
He seems to be riding with fear. On Emily Upjohn and Free Wind last week he looked as if he was trying to stick to a pre-race script, but seldom do things work out that simple. At Goodwood, more than any other racecourse, you have to ride with an element of freedom.
He is, of course, an easy target. This is his first big job and he is following the biggest of footsteps. He is what David Moyes was in following Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.
Like Moyes, the level of expectation is not as high as last season, but he is not doing the job that is expected of him at the moment and someone else deserves the opportunity.
Gosden is ruthless as far as Jockeys go but i think he will stick by Shoemark.
I mean he got Roberts the boot and sacked Fortune and Frankie so nothing is certain.
The inmates at Clairehaven are much of a muchness and not comparable to a few seasons ago eg Golden Horn, Red Lion, Stradivarius, Jack hobbs, Enable plus a few more I cannot remember. Now, it's difficult to even name one "star".
I wonder if any seasoned jockey eg Marquand, Murphy and Ryan to name three will want to take up the jockey post at Clarehaven. The Gosden has 7 retained jockeys even Havlin.
I wonder if any seasoned jockey eg Marquand, Murphy and Ryan to name three will want to take up the jockey post at Clarehaven. The Gosden has 7 retained jockeys even Havlin.
Why would a good jockey want to be the 8th choice in a stable? Sir Cecil only had one stable jockey ie Cauthen. There was no retained jockeys by the big owners.
A serious question. Do these 7 retained jockeys ride work on their owners inmates or just in the races? If not, how'd they know the idiosyncrasy of the horses?
A serious question. Do these 7 retained jockeys ride work on their owners inmates or just in the races? If not, how'd they know the idiosyncrasy of the horses?
Yes imp all the retained Jockeys would go to the Yard to have a sit on there Horses.
Emily Upjohn’s part-owner Jon Shack has declared his “100 per cent support” for Kieran Shoemark as the jockey continues to be scrutinised in his role as first jockey to the Gosdens.
Shoemark, 28, looks set to be replaced on six-time Group 1 winner Inspiral in Sunday’s Group 1 Prix du Haras de Fresnay-le-Buffard Jacques le Marois at Deauville and came in for criticism in places for his rides on Emily Upjohn and Free Wind at Glorious Goodwood last week.
The rider, who stepped up to ride as first jockey for John and Thady Gosden this season following the departure of Frankie Dettori, was also caught in the final furlong when partnering Emily Upjohn in last month’s Group 1 Pretty Polly Stakes at the Curragh.
John Gosden has repeatedly backed Shoemark, saying at Goodwood that the rider “hasn’t had the rub of the green” and that several of his owners, including Wathnan Racing, Shadwell Estates and Qatar Racing, had their own retained jockeys.
Shack, who initially raced Emily Upjohn in partnership with Stuart Roden before Lord and Lady Lloyd-Webber bought into the mare, offered his complete support to Shoemark, and the wider Gosden team, in a letter to the Racing Post on Wednesday.
He said: “As co-owner of Emily Upjohn, I wanted to express my 100 per cent support of Kieran Shoemark, the Gosdens and the Clarehaven team.
“Kieran Shoemark, Robert Havlin, Frankie Dettori and the devoted staff at the Gosdens have all played important parts in the wonderful Emily Upjohn story and drama [which has] allowed me and my family to ‘live the dream’ as racehorse owners at the highest global level.
“Our appreciation of all these participants, plus the mare herself, knows no bounds and we stay positive as the drama unfolds into the future.”
Emily Upjohn finished sixth in the Group 1 Nassau Stakes at Goodwood having been sent off the 7-4 favourite. Her next start is likely to be in the Group 1 Pertemps Network Yorkshire Oaks at York on August 22.
Shoemark, 28, looks set to be replaced on six-time Group 1 winner Inspiral in Sunday’s Group 1 Prix du Haras de Fresnay-le-Buffard Jacques le Marois at Deauville and came in for criticism in places for his rides on Emily Upjohn and Free Wind at Glorious Goodwood last week.
The rider, who stepped up to ride as first jockey for John and Thady Gosden this season following the departure of Frankie Dettori, was also caught in the final furlong when partnering Emily Upjohn in last month’s Group 1 Pretty Polly Stakes at the Curragh.
John Gosden has repeatedly backed Shoemark, saying at Goodwood that the rider “hasn’t had the rub of the green” and that several of his owners, including Wathnan Racing, Shadwell Estates and Qatar Racing, had their own retained jockeys.
Shack, who initially raced Emily Upjohn in partnership with Stuart Roden before Lord and Lady Lloyd-Webber bought into the mare, offered his complete support to Shoemark, and the wider Gosden team, in a letter to the Racing Post on Wednesday.
He said: “As co-owner of Emily Upjohn, I wanted to express my 100 per cent support of Kieran Shoemark, the Gosdens and the Clarehaven team.
“Kieran Shoemark, Robert Havlin, Frankie Dettori and the devoted staff at the Gosdens have all played important parts in the wonderful Emily Upjohn story and drama [which has] allowed me and my family to ‘live the dream’ as racehorse owners at the highest global level.
“Our appreciation of all these participants, plus the mare herself, knows no bounds and we stay positive as the drama unfolds into the future.”
Emily Upjohn finished sixth in the Group 1 Nassau Stakes at Goodwood having been sent off the 7-4 favourite. Her next start is likely to be in the Group 1 Pertemps Network Yorkshire Oaks at York on August 22.
Who cares? I'll not back her with granny's money. The horse has grown rather sensitive, and less interested in racing these days. Humans do that to as we get older.
Next plz?
Next plz?
No, no, no...we support Shoemark 100%. The ride on Inspiral this sunday in France has been given to Moore. How supportive!
if I was Shoemark I'd walk away given the pecking order at Clarehaven. If having 7 retained jockeys in a stable and then jocked-off a regressing and quirky sensitive horse in a big race overseas is a clear indicator the jock's position is not valued or appreciated; James Doyle walked away from a lucrative retained jockey position with Godolphin for merely being 2nd jockey - not 7th plus one.
Doyle took up another offer, to be No1 for Wathnan.
Inspiral's owners can put up who they like,haven't got a retained jockey.
Inspiral's owners can put up who they like,haven't got a retained jockey.
Typical of the media that they had to wait until he lost the ride on Inspiral before casting any doubt on his ability.
True. Did Henry Cecil operate this 2-tier jockey standing? I cannot recall this ever happened; I remember Cauthen getting a pubic rebuff for arriving late for an important ride because his heli ride did not take off on time due to fog; Cecil remarked...what about the car?
Quixall if brains were made from cotton wool, you and Impossible would not have enough between you to make a tampon for a humming bird!!!
I predicted he would lose the job with Gosden,this is the start….1.01 he won’t be there next season….or September..tbf
The prediction was he'll be gone by R.Ascot.
That's been & gone.
That's been & gone.
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