John Hunt

Congrats, the Horse Racing forum now has the most unhinged posters, beating Politics into second place.

Agreed Mr Linke. Those who defend perpetrators of these atrocities must be unhinged. No other possible explanation. What's the betting on whose going to be upset & get the thread removed?

ex army/millitary,a week ago people would have said he should be at the  front of queue for everything,anyone saying anything different would be accused of disrespecting our  veterans/ex army  etc

paved with good intentions

and a slight misquote of js mill but the meaning is unaffected. a quote ive often used as its apt indeed

Biggest lie ever told.....we are all the same. No we are not.

Correct Basil

so how far up on  the list would a uk born kyle clifford,ex army,ex boyfriend of the daughter of  a bbc/sky racing commentator have been this time last week ?

maybe this lads culture was, ADAM TATE,LOZZA, PETERSON ETC  ?

Lots of Ex Squaddies are trouble. My daughter use to live in Colchester, lots of fights at night involving Squaddies,
the red caps use to go around the pubs trying to keep them in check

The older brother of fugitive suspect Kyle Clifford is already in prison for murder, it can be revealed. Think that latest news adds another dimension to these shocking murders, the older brother is also a murderer. Sickening, and yes he would have been on a list as dangerous if I compiled it.

Looks like they have shot him in the cemetery, gloves and dressings from the pics I've seen.

Good, shame they didnt shoot his older murderer brother too, its in their mindset, these people are extremely dangerous.

Nice man mr hunt just gobsmacked, life can be so unfair and seemingly a ex boyfriend, a lot of have been there with ex boyfriends but this is a shocking level

basilbrush
why would he have been on your list last week ?
he obviously wasnt on john hunts

alive and arressted

Jul 10, 2024 -- 6:24PM, 1st time poster wrote:

alive and arressted

Shame, was hoping he'd been shot and died slowly in agony

Good to hear they found the beast alive now it can face court and hopefully rot in the can.

Worst outcome would have been the result like the Tyneside rodent…

This terrible news to hear. Thoughts and prayers with you John. I`m lost for words. Very very sad.

Hope is suffering a large portion of the pain his victims did, at least he hasn't got out easily....

Just when you think you can't be shocked any more by anything...

Reading Peter Hitchens these last few years, he's highlighted how frequently in these shocking cases drugs are involved, and sometimes drugs that some people want legalised like marijuana.

But because there is a powerful drugs lobby in this country, it's not always highlighted in the reporting of these cases, rather the murderer might be said to have some mental health condition, whether it's drug-induced or not.

Who knows if this horrific act was drug-fuelled, but no doubt Hitchens will be digging to find out, even if the mainstream press in general aren't too keen on highlighting it, should it be the case.

hitchens is spot on on this topic

The whole situation is so very sad. Thoughts with John.

To some posters on here -

the problem with the death penalty is that mistakes are irretrievable (try asking Timothy Evans amongst others)

everyone is entitled to a defence and the people on here bleating on here about so called "lefty lawyers" are either unaware of that and, presumably, also unaware that the cab rank rule applies. By defending someone in court a lawyer is not aligning themselves to the accused or any cause they espouse.

And no, I'm not a lawyer.

Terrible news, thinking of John and his family.

when evidence is overwhelming and 99% certain of the perpetator, then hanging shoud occur, re sutcliffe, west, huntley, brady etc, and again in this case,

What about psychotropic "drugs" routinely handed out like smarties?
A side effect can be feelings of suicide, which can manifest itself in anger or harm towards others
Ex- military people feeling like they've been kicked into the kurb having witnessed all colours of sheeite having been filled up with all sorts of jabs to serve abroad etc.


Steroids have made men very angry - young men in general seem very angry nowadays- ffs even older people are aggressive and angrier, less laid-back than yesteryear.
People are desensitised to violence, have access to weaponry like never before.
Influential role models are absent to many and are left to run ferral with authorities unable to control them.

...and a multitude of other factore that make society more base than ever.

So, elisjohn, on your figures you're content that 1 in a 100 convictions with "overwhelming" evidence can result in a wrongful conviction and subsequent hanging?

Really?

Jul 10, 2024 -- 6:57PM, parispike wrote:

The whole situation is so very sad. Thoughts with John.To some posters on here -the problem with the death penalty is that mistakes are irretrievable (try asking Timothy Evans amongst others) everyone is entitled to a defence and the people on here bleating on here about so called "lefty lawyers" are either unaware of that and, presumably, also unaware that the cab rank rule applies. By defending someone in court a lawyer is not aligning themselves to the accused or any cause they espouse.And no, I'm not a lawyer.

Timothy Evans case would never resulted in him being hung today, and now we have DNA, we never did back when mistakes were made

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41108765

no, im trying to say , ok 100% then when its certain like the lee rigby two , etc, but in this scenario i wouldnt hang lucy letby, never know there is some doubt according  to loads  inc other experts  .

Even where, at the time, guilt seems certain errors have occurred

in cases like these,domestic etc ,i,d imagine drugs/steriods used in the gym would be more likely than coke,skunk, spice crack,etc,
apparently they were all still breathing when found to most of us certainly me i wouldnt no where to fire a crossbow bolt to have the best chance of a fatal shot,skull,eye,face,neck,chest,maybe the millitary training taught him

Mr Pike- With DNA, fingerprints, CCTV, doorbell cameras, mistakes are incredibly unlikely. On the news the police say no shots were fired. Unlike the US police who would have done the right thing straight off.

Mr Slicer. In your own words you are accepting mistakes ARE possible. If you support the death penalty you are, de facto, accepting that the state will on occasion execute innocent people. I'm not.

The can is the best way it lets the scum suffer every minute of the day and night…..

It will never see the light of day again….

Only poor outcome when it goes into the can it won’t be bedded on straw…

The rope is too quick for all rodents imv…

we,d have to execute LETBY for example,some think she,s nailed on guilty others a scapegoat

Just had a quick look at his brother's case to see if any substances were involved. A police officer testified at the trial:

PC Matt Clarke spoke to Clifford after the crash, saying the Mustang driver seemed drunk and smelled of alcohol.

Yet despite this:

He was not given a breathalyser test at any point, the court heard

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651797/Man-accused-murdering-moped-rider-says-smelt-alcohol-friend-spilled-wine-him.html

So he wasn't tested for any substance, so who knows what he might have had in his system, if anything, at just after 3 am when the murder took place.

A soldiers training would have taught him the method. If you are at all interested, the neck has 3 major vessels on each side: the carotid artery, the jugular vein & the phrenic nerve. That's why the marines creep up behind you & cut your neck side to side with thin wire. Instant death. Also any anatomy student knows that a blow on the nose in an upward direction from the front at the correct angle with sufficient force has a good chance of driving the nasal & associated bones into the brain. Please don't try this at home.

The trouble is, in the UK the vermin don'get a REAL life sentence ie will die in prison. In the US, they used to have the right idea. Sentences of 999 years. If they were lucky & behaved, they might get a third of the sentence off for good behaviour!

A soldiers training would have taught him the method. If you are at all interested, the neck has 3 major vessels on each side: the carotid artery, the jugular vein & the phrenic nerve. That's why the marines creep up behind you & cut your neck side to side with thin wire. Instant death. Also any anatomy student knows that a blow on the nose in an upward direction from the front at the correct angle with sufficient force has a good chance of driving the nasal & associated bones into the brain. Please don't try this at home.

Channeling your inner Gareth Keenan (The office)?

Can't comment Mr Leif as I never watched it so no idea what you mean.

hope i dont upset you leif

we're all friends 'ere

Truly shocking news. So very sad.

The trouble is whether this piece of scum is shot,shoots himself,or rots in prison the damage is already done,and nothing can bring John's family back. RIP

Got to be an ultimate deterrent as far as I'm concerned. The sheer horror of the crime reported permits nothing else.

G HALL, very true

More shocking news, Kyle Clifford's brother Bradley, is serving a life sentence for murdering a teenager in  2018.

I have been thinking of Mr Hunt and his poor family all night. Terrible news to hear. I`m lost for words.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13619715/Crossbow-attack-suspects-brother-convicted-killer-mowed-moped-driver-anger-prized-Ford-Mustang-damaged.html

Disgusting. What sort of family is this?

this fred should be deleted. just too horrible and nothing needs to be said

An innocent attack? How dreadful and tragic.

Sadly, John will now forever be remembered not for his excellent commentary but as a bereaved family member of a heinous murder.

RIP Carol, Hannah & Louise.

Its  was a caculated murders
Execution
in fact

Terrible

No words

Yes no words.

FU Spyker you lefty piece of cr@p.

Another sh1t-skin for lefties to defend.

Dreadful, hope time heals the pain.

Awful news, a top guy is John, let the scumbag rot in hell.

Very sad. Difficult to imagine what he's going through.

Imagine getting back home to that, they weren't even dead so they would've suffered.
Horrific.
Whole life sentence for this cuunt guaranteed.

The horror is beyond words.

But, let us be sensible.

I cannot have it that poor John Hunt just walked in and discovered the scene.

A guy going at three women with a crossbow would have created a fair racket, shouting and screaming to start with (as reported by those living nearby).

Police would have been called and been there in a flash in an area like that.

Hence, common sense dictates Hunt did not discover the scene - and let us pray for his sake that common sense is correct here.

Noticed this thread earlier but didn't look at it. Just saw it on the news had no idea, how very sad and depressing. What an awful world we now inhabit, RIP to the three ladies and best wishes to John and hope somehow he can move on with his life, will take time but hopefully him and his surviving daughter will get loads of love and support from other family and friends.

The Detective Inspector in charge of case has said that the “premature” naming of the victims “caused great upset”.

Which makes me wonder, why did the police reveal explicit details so soon about how victims were murdered, particularly as it would appear judging from the about statement that all of their family might not have been aware of what had happened.

*above statement

Probably leaked via whatsapp groups.
Police are vermin.

Only going by what I've seen reported, The Knight:

He had been working at Lingfield Park Racecourse in Surrey yesterday before returning home in the evening to discover the horror that had unfolded.

2 of the victims made calls /texts for help to police and a friend it was the police who arrived saw scene and contacted mr hunt, as always with a  daily mail story £800,000+ doesnt buy you much does it

Jeez, just because one of the girls split up with him he does this? Again let's hope he isn't in the 'not in the right mind' category who literally get away with murder.

Sadly, most women are killed by a current or ex-partner.

The poor guy - he must be in pieces right now. So sorry for him, and sure many will be thinking of him right now as he'll need.

A lovely tribute here from Hoiles:

https://x.com/itvracing/status/1811380350699909327

Richard is a gentleman 

There is most certainly evil in this world but thankfully more good than evil. How someone can do that to someone they supposedly loved is beyond me. Hopefully John and his remaining daughter can find the strength to carry on and make best of their lives but I know I would struggle in the same situation

https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/its-the-least-we-can-do-racing-industry-urged-to-get-behind-justgiving-page-for-john-hunt-azsVP5Z1mW4t/

I understand that people might want to do something, but not sure this is the best idea. The last thing this is about is money, and I would imagine he would end up giving the proceeds to charity.

"Jeez, just because one of the girls split up with him he does this?"       I read report of Hunts daughter calling him an abuser on social media after they split. Break up with someone then keep your mouth shut.  Especially if what you have been going with someone whose brother is doing life.

Exactly what I thought Howard,just walk away,stay safe.

If someone is as evil as he is, in carrying out this type of attack, i doubt whether or not she called him an abuser on the dreaded social media
would have made any difference, if you're evil, you're evil. He doesn't deserve to be fed or watered imo

Hopefully his fellow inmates will take a stanley to him before they think of something more appropriate.

Agree Dambuster. I'm sure Howard didn't intend it but his opinion borders on putting  blame on a victim.

Very heartfelt eloquent words from Ratpack,

RIP the girls.

not blame brian. But a lack of understanding who you are dealing with.   Have we heard anything yet of father /mother of brothers ?

Can't believe they will be offering themselves up for scrutiny.

Police seem to have offered very little. The only spokesman I saw didn't take any questions. Do we even know how he ended up in hospital?

The parents now have 2 sons in jail for murder......can u just imagine being their parents. The whole thing is just incomprehensible.....why kill the mother and other sister? Evil at its worst and I as a Christian would find it very difficult to forgive if i was in Mr Hunts position.

Growing up in my 20 and 30s  i always thought Capital Punishment was barbaric and unthinkable....20 something Years later my attitude has changed completely.I would gladly see scumbags like this executed.

They say prisons are full so they are cutting prisoners sentences to free up space....well the easiest way would be to bring in Capital Punishment in cases where there is no doubt (DNA advances) someone has murdered someone. Unfortunately Labour will be softer on crime than the Conservatives

Too quick,it has to do the the rest of its life in the can,wondering,suffering and rotting away…..it will take years of suffering which is better than a split second…..

Yes and cost the Country a fortune ffs.

Who cares …..pay a million to watch it suffer…..

I do see that point of view but i still say execute them.

Jul 13, 2024 -- 9:20PM, acey deucy wrote:

I do see that point of view but i still say execute them.

Leave it up to the victims family maybe.?

The other problem with capital punishment has always be the wrongful convictions issue - we really want to murder some who are innocent with no chance of repeal if they are dead?

No, life in prison is still the best solution, will make them remember the rest of their time on earth, and at least those innocent still have some chance.

stu......they would only be executed if they are 100% proven to have committed the crime....with the advances in DNA there will be no innocent people executed.

Exactly.

How long do you want it to suffer ? 50 - 60 years possibly bed wetting…..or quick fire split second ?

Answer on a postcard

Injection that makes them suffer for a few months then gone, or starve them to death, no food or water. i know it sounds barbaric, but eye for an eye and all that.

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stu......they would only be executed if they are 100% proven to have committed the crime....with the advances in DNA there will be no innocent people executed.

Please define the difference between
a) beyond reasonable doubt
b)100% proven.

You might like to think that no innocent people will be executed but history suggests it's an impossibility.

Policemen, scientists and "expert" witnesses aren't like the rest of us - they never have their own agenda and they never make mistakes.

And don't forget, they only pick the very cleverest, well balanced and open-minded people to do jury service.

takes away any point in the  charged pleading  guilty and saving those effected from going to trial

It's almost like some of the problems society faces are quite deep, multi-faceted and complex - and the people that see everything in the most simplistic and one-dimensional terms - black and white terms or left versus right, don't have any of the answers

I suppose they do make up for it though, by sometimes having very good soundbites.