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verbotene liebe
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Anyone just hear that shocking news.
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Report DIE LINKE July 10, 2024 5:14 PM BST
Congrats, the Horse Racing forum now has the most unhinged posters, beating Politics into second place.
Report Slicer July 10, 2024 5:17 PM BST
Agreed Mr Linke. Those who defend perpetrators of these atrocities must be unhinged. No other possible explanation. What's the betting on whose going to be upset & get the thread removed?
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 5:21 PM BST
ex army/millitary,a week ago people would have said he should be at the  front of queue for everything,anyone saying anything different would be accused of disrespecting our  veterans/ex army  etc
Report mitolo July 10, 2024 5:28 PM BST
paved with good intentions

and a slight misquote of js mill but the meaning is unaffected. a quote ive often used as its apt indeed
Report basilbrush July 10, 2024 5:41 PM BST
Biggest lie ever told.....we are all the same. No we are not.
Report dambuster July 10, 2024 5:43 PM BST
Correct Basil
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 5:46 PM BST
so how far up on  the list would a uk born kyle clifford,ex army,ex boyfriend of the daughter of  a bbc/sky racing commentator have been this time last week ?
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 5:52 PM BST
maybe this lads culture was, ADAM TATE,LOZZA, PETERSON ETC  ?
Report dambuster July 10, 2024 5:52 PM BST
Lots of Ex Squaddies are trouble. My daughter use to live in Colchester, lots of fights at night involving Squaddies,
the red caps use to go around the pubs trying to keep them in check
Report basilbrush July 10, 2024 6:10 PM BST
The older brother of fugitive suspect Kyle Clifford is already in prison for murder, it can be revealed. Think that latest news adds another dimension to these shocking murders, the older brother is also a murderer. Sickening, and yes he would have been on a list as dangerous if I compiled it.
Report 11kv July 10, 2024 6:12 PM BST
Looks like they have shot him in the cemetery, gloves and dressings from the pics I've seen.
Report basilbrush July 10, 2024 6:14 PM BST
Good, shame they didnt shoot his older murderer brother too, its in their mindset, these people are extremely dangerous.
Report know all July 10, 2024 6:15 PM BST
Nice man mr hunt just gobsmacked, life can be so unfair and seemingly a ex boyfriend, a lot of have been there with ex boyfriends but this is a shocking level
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 6:16 PM BST
basilbrush
why would he have been on your list last week ?
he obviously wasnt on john hunts
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 6:24 PM BST
alive and arressted
Report dambuster July 10, 2024 6:28 PM BST

Jul 10, 2024 -- 6:24PM, 1st time poster wrote:


alive and arressted


Shame, was hoping he'd been shot and died slowly in agony

Report formoftheace July 10, 2024 6:29 PM BST
Good to hear they found the beast alive now it can face court and hopefully rot in the can.

Worst outcome would have been the result like the Tyneside rodent…
Report themightymac July 10, 2024 6:30 PM BST
This terrible news to hear. Thoughts and prayers with you John. I`m lost for words. Very very sad.
Report 11kv July 10, 2024 6:32 PM BST
Hope is suffering a large portion of the pain his victims did, at least he hasn't got out easily....
Report GEORGE.B July 10, 2024 6:48 PM BST
Just when you think you can't be shocked any more by anything...

Reading Peter Hitchens these last few years, he's highlighted how frequently in these shocking cases drugs are involved, and sometimes drugs that some people want legalised like marijuana.

But because there is a powerful drugs lobby in this country, it's not always highlighted in the reporting of these cases, rather the murderer might be said to have some mental health condition, whether it's drug-induced or not.

Who knows if this horrific act was drug-fuelled, but no doubt Hitchens will be digging to find out, even if the mainstream press in general aren't too keen on highlighting it, should it be the case.
Report elisjohn July 10, 2024 6:53 PM BST
hitchens is spot on on this topic
Report parispike July 10, 2024 6:57 PM BST
The whole situation is so very sad. Thoughts with John.

To some posters on here -

the problem with the death penalty is that mistakes are irretrievable (try asking Timothy Evans amongst others)

everyone is entitled to a defence and the people on here bleating on here about so called "lefty lawyers" are either unaware of that and, presumably, also unaware that the cab rank rule applies. By defending someone in court a lawyer is not aligning themselves to the accused or any cause they espouse.

And no, I'm not a lawyer.
Report ashleigh July 10, 2024 6:58 PM BST
Terrible news, thinking of John and his family.Sad
Report elisjohn July 10, 2024 7:02 PM BST
when evidence is overwhelming and 99% certain of the perpetator, then hanging shoud occur, re sutcliffe, west, huntley, brady etc, and again in this case,
Report leif July 10, 2024 7:04 PM BST
What about psychotropic "drugs" routinely handed out like smarties?
A side effect can be feelings of suicide, which can manifest itself in anger or harm towards othersSad
Ex- military people feeling like they've been kicked into the kurb having witnessed all colours of sheeite having been filled up with all sorts of jabs to serve abroad etc.


Steroids have made men very angry - young men in general seem very angry nowadays- ffs even older people are aggressive and angrier, less laid-back than yesteryear.
People are desensitised to violence, have access to weaponry like never before.
Influential role models are absent to many and are left to run ferral with authorities unable to control them.

...and a multitude of other factore that make society more base than ever.Cry
Report parispike July 10, 2024 7:05 PM BST
So, elisjohn, on your figures you're content that 1 in a 100 convictions with "overwhelming" evidence can result in a wrongful conviction and subsequent hanging?

Really?
Report dambuster July 10, 2024 7:09 PM BST

Jul 10, 2024 -- 6:57PM, parispike wrote:


The whole situation is so very sad. Thoughts with John.To some posters on here -the problem with the death penalty is that mistakes are irretrievable (try asking Timothy Evans amongst others) everyone is entitled to a defence and the people on here bleating on here about so called "lefty lawyers" are either unaware of that and, presumably, also unaware that the cab rank rule applies. By defending someone in court a lawyer is not aligning themselves to the accused or any cause they espouse.And no, I'm not a lawyer.


Timothy Evans case would never resulted in him being hung today, and now we have DNA, we never did back when mistakes were made

Report parispike July 10, 2024 7:13 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41108765
Report elisjohn July 10, 2024 7:18 PM BST
no, im trying to say , ok 100% then when its certain like the lee rigby two , etc, but in this scenario i wouldnt hang lucy letby, never know there is some doubt according  to loads  inc other experts  .
Report parispike July 10, 2024 7:20 PM BST
Even where, at the time, guilt seems certain errors have occurred
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 7:24 PM BST
in cases like these,domestic etc ,i,d imagine drugs/steriods used in the gym would be more likely than coke,skunk, spice crack,etc,
apparently they were all still breathing when found to most of us certainly me i wouldnt no where to fire a crossbow bolt to have the best chance of a fatal shot,skull,eye,face,neck,chest,maybe the millitary training taught him
Report Slicer July 10, 2024 7:25 PM BST
Mr Pike- With DNA, fingerprints, CCTV, doorbell cameras, mistakes are incredibly unlikely. On the news the police say no shots were fired. Unlike the US police who would have done the right thing straight off.
Report parispike July 10, 2024 7:28 PM BST
Mr Slicer. In your own words you are accepting mistakes ARE possible. If you support the death penalty you are, de facto, accepting that the state will on occasion execute innocent people. I'm not.
Report formoftheace July 10, 2024 7:33 PM BST
The can is the best way it lets the scum suffer every minute of the day and night…..

It will never see the light of day again….

Only poor outcome when it goes into the can it won’t be bedded on straw…

The rope is too quick for all rodents imv…
Report 1st time poster July 10, 2024 7:33 PM BST
we,d have to execute LETBY for example,some think she,s nailed on guilty others a scapegoat
Report GEORGE.B July 10, 2024 7:35 PM BST
Just had a quick look at his brother's case to see if any substances were involved. A police officer testified at the trial:

PC Matt Clarke spoke to Clifford after the crash, saying the Mustang driver seemed drunk and smelled of alcohol.

Yet despite this:

He was not given a breathalyser test at any point, the court heard

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5651797/Man-accused-murdering-moped-rider-says-smelt-alcohol-friend-spilled-wine-him.html

So he wasn't tested for any substance, so who knows what he might have had in his system, if anything, at just after 3 am when the murder took place.
Report Slicer July 10, 2024 7:36 PM BST
A soldiers training would have taught him the method. If you are at all interested, the neck has 3 major vessels on each side: the carotid artery, the jugular vein & the phrenic nerve. That's why the marines creep up behind you & cut your neck side to side with thin wire. Instant death. Also any anatomy student knows that a blow on the nose in an upward direction from the front at the correct angle with sufficient force has a good chance of driving the nasal & associated bones into the brain. Please don't try this at home.
Report Slicer July 10, 2024 7:39 PM BST
The trouble is, in the UK the vermin don'get a REAL life sentence ie will die in prison. In the US, they used to have the right idea. Sentences of 999 years. If they were lucky & behaved, they might get a third of the sentence off for good behaviour!
Report leif July 10, 2024 7:42 PM BST
A soldiers training would have taught him the method. If you are at all interested, the neck has 3 major vessels on each side: the carotid artery, the jugular vein & the phrenic nerve. That's why the marines creep up behind you & cut your neck side to side with thin wire. Instant death. Also any anatomy student knows that a blow on the nose in an upward direction from the front at the correct angle with sufficient force has a good chance of driving the nasal & associated bones into the brain. Please don't try this at home.

Channeling your inner Gareth Keenan (The office)?Plain
Report Slicer July 10, 2024 7:44 PM BST
Can't comment Mr Leif as I never watched it so no idea what you mean.
Report elisjohn July 10, 2024 7:56 PM BST
hope i dont upset you leifWink
Report leif July 10, 2024 8:07 PM BST
we're all friends 'ere Wink
Report england_v_south_afri July 10, 2024 8:17 PM BST
Truly shocking news. So very sad.
Report G Hall July 10, 2024 9:05 PM BST
The trouble is whether this piece of scum is shot,shoots himself,or rots in prison the damage is already done,and nothing can bring John's family back. RIP
Report Try My Best July 10, 2024 9:17 PM BST
Got to be an ultimate deterrent as far as I'm concerned. The sheer horror of the crime reported permits nothing else.
Report elisjohn July 10, 2024 9:19 PM BST
G HALL, very true
Report SlippyBlue July 10, 2024 9:45 PM BST
More shocking news, Kyle Clifford's brother Bradley, is serving a life sentence for murdering a teenager in  2018.
Report themightymac July 10, 2024 10:02 PM BST
I have been thinking of Mr Hunt and his poor family all night. Terrible news to hear. I`m lost for words.
Report differentdrum July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13619715/Crossbow-attack-suspects-brother-convicted-killer-mowed-moped-driver-anger-prized-Ford-Mustang-damaged.html

Disgusting. What sort of family is this?
Report mitolo July 10, 2024 10:12 PM BST
this fred should be deleted. just too horrible and nothing needs to be said
Report impossible123 July 10, 2024 10:26 PM BST
An innocent attack? How dreadful and tragic.
Report Wesdag July 10, 2024 10:37 PM BST
Sadly, John will now forever be remembered not for his excellent commentary but as a bereaved family member of a heinous murder.

RIP Carol, Hannah & Louise.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! July 10, 2024 10:38 PM BST
Its  was a caculated murders
Execution
in fact

Terrible
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 10, 2024 10:54 PM BST
No wordsSadSadSad
Report acey deucy July 10, 2024 10:59 PM BST
Yes no words.Sad
Report Crawford July 10, 2024 11:01 PM BST
FU Spyker you lefty piece of cr@p.

Another sh1t-skin for lefties to defend.
Report Movewiththetimes July 10, 2024 11:02 PM BST
Dreadful, hope time heals the pain.
Report swiftynifty July 10, 2024 11:03 PM BST
Awful news, a top guy is John, let the scumbag rot in hell.
Report Shrewd_dude July 10, 2024 11:05 PM BST
Very sad. Difficult to imagine what he's going through.
Report Wesdag July 10, 2024 11:31 PM BST
Imagine getting back home to that, they weren't even dead so they would've suffered.
Horrific.
Whole life sentence for this cuunt guaranteed.
Report The Knight July 10, 2024 11:46 PM BST
The horror is beyond words.

But, let us be sensible.

I cannot have it that poor John Hunt just walked in and discovered the scene.

A guy going at three women with a crossbow would have created a fair racket, shouting and screaming to start with (as reported by those living nearby).

Police would have been called and been there in a flash in an area like that.

Hence, common sense dictates Hunt did not discover the scene - and let us pray for his sake that common sense is correct here.
Report stewarts rise July 10, 2024 11:47 PM BST
Noticed this thread earlier but didn't look at it. Just saw it on the news had no idea, how very sad and depressing. What an awful world we now inhabit, RIP to the three ladies and best wishes to John and hope somehow he can move on with his life, will take time but hopefully him and his surviving daughter will get loads of love and support from other family and friends.
Report GEORGE.B July 11, 2024 12:08 AM BST
The Detective Inspector in charge of case has said that the “premature” naming of the victims “caused great upset”.

Which makes me wonder, why did the police reveal explicit details so soon about how victims were murdered, particularly as it would appear judging from the about statement that all of their family might not have been aware of what had happened.
Report GEORGE.B July 11, 2024 12:13 AM BST
*above statement
Report Wesdag July 11, 2024 12:18 AM BST
Probably leaked via whatsapp groups.
Police are vermin.
Report Wesdag July 11, 2024 12:36 AM BST
Only going by what I've seen reported, The Knight:

He had been working at Lingfield Park Racecourse in Surrey yesterday before returning home in the evening to discover the horror that had unfolded.
Report 1st time poster July 11, 2024 8:49 AM BST
2 of the victims made calls /texts for help to police and a friend it was the police who arrived saw scene and contacted mr hunt, as always with a  daily mail story £800,000+ doesnt buy you much does it
Report MJK July 11, 2024 10:21 AM BST
Jeez, just because one of the girls split up with him he does this? Again let's hope he isn't in the 'not in the right mind' category who literally get away with murder.
Report Wesdag July 11, 2024 10:22 AM BST
Sadly, most women are killed by a current or ex-partner.
Report stu July 11, 2024 12:32 PM BST
The poor guy - he must be in pieces right now. So sorry for him, and sure many will be thinking of him right now as he'll need.
Report Wesdag July 11, 2024 3:03 PM BST
A lovely tribute here from Hoiles:

https://x.com/itvracing/status/1811380350699909327
Report Hayden July 11, 2024 3:16 PM BST
Richard is a gentleman  Happy
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 12, 2024 9:04 AM BST
There is most certainly evil in this world but thankfully more good than evil. How someone can do that to someone they supposedly loved is beyond me. Hopefully John and his remaining daughter can find the strength to carry on and make best of their lives but I know I would struggle in the same situationSad
Report differentdrum July 13, 2024 10:48 AM BST
https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/its-the-least-we-can-do-racing-industry-urged-to-get-behind-justgiving-page-for-john-hunt-azsVP5Z1mW4t/

I understand that people might want to do something, but not sure this is the best idea. The last thing this is about is money, and I would imagine he would end up giving the proceeds to charity.
Report howard July 13, 2024 10:54 AM BST
"Jeez, just because one of the girls split up with him he does this?"       I read report of Hunts daughter calling him an abuser on social media after they split. Break up with someone then keep your mouth shut.  Especially if what you have been going with someone whose brother is doing life.
Report formoftheace July 13, 2024 11:14 AM BST
Exactly what I thought Howard,just walk away,stay safe.
Report dambuster July 13, 2024 11:28 AM BST
If someone is as evil as he is, in carrying out this type of attack, i doubt whether or not she called him an abuser on the dreaded social media
would have made any difference, if you're evil, you're evil. He doesn't deserve to be fed or watered imo
Report werbie July 13, 2024 11:51 AM BST
Hopefully his fellow inmates will take a stanley to him before they think of something more appropriate.
Report Brian July 13, 2024 11:55 AM BST
Agree Dambuster. I'm sure Howard didn't intend it but his opinion borders on putting  blame on a victim.
Report punchestown July 13, 2024 11:56 AM BST
Very heartfelt eloquent words from Ratpack,

RIP the girls.
Report howard July 13, 2024 12:10 PM BST
not blame brian. But a lack of understanding who you are dealing with.   Have we heard anything yet of father /mother of brothers ?
Report differentdrum July 13, 2024 12:18 PM BST
Can't believe they will be offering themselves up for scrutiny.

Police seem to have offered very little. The only spokesman I saw didn't take any questions. Do we even know how he ended up in hospital?
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 13, 2024 8:38 PM BST
The parents now have 2 sons in jail for murder......can u just imagine being their parentsSad. The whole thing is just incomprehensible.....why kill the mother and other sister? Evil at its worst and I as a Christian would find it very difficult to forgive if i was in Mr Hunts position. Sad
Report acey deucy July 13, 2024 8:48 PM BST
Growing up in my 20 and 30s  i always thought Capital Punishment was barbaric and unthinkable....20 something Years later my attitude has changed completely.I would gladly see scumbags like this executed.
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 13, 2024 8:52 PM BST
They say prisons are full so they are cutting prisoners sentences to free up space....well the easiest way would be to bring in Capital Punishment in cases where there is no doubt (DNA advances) someone has murdered someone. Unfortunately Labour will be softer on crime than the ConservativesSad
Report formoftheace July 13, 2024 8:55 PM BST
Too quick,it has to do the the rest of its life in the can,wondering,suffering and rotting away…..it will take years of suffering which is better than a split second…..
Report acey deucy July 13, 2024 8:56 PM BST
Yes and cost the Country a fortune ffs.
Report formoftheace July 13, 2024 9:00 PM BST
Who cares …..pay a million to watch it suffer…..
Report acey deucy July 13, 2024 9:20 PM BST
I do see that point of view but i still say execute them.
Report dambuster July 14, 2024 11:54 AM BST

Jul 13, 2024 -- 9:20PM, acey deucy wrote:


I do see that point of view but i still say execute them.


Leave it up to the victims family maybe.?

Report stu July 14, 2024 12:10 PM BST
The other problem with capital punishment has always be the wrongful convictions issue - we really want to murder some who are innocent with no chance of repeal if they are dead?

No, life in prison is still the best solution, will make them remember the rest of their time on earth, and at least those innocent still have some chance.
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 15, 2024 11:28 AM BST
stu......they would only be executed if they are 100% proven to have committed the crime....with the advances in DNA there will be no innocent people executed.
Report acey deucy July 15, 2024 11:31 AM BST
Exactly.
Report formoftheace July 15, 2024 11:36 AM BST
How long do you want it to suffer ? 50 - 60 years possibly bed wetting…..or quick fire split second ?

Answer on a postcard
Report dambuster July 15, 2024 11:43 AM BST
Injection that makes them suffer for a few months then gone, or starve them to death, no food or water. i know it sounds barbaric, but eye for an eye and all that.
Report parispike July 15, 2024 12:34 PM BST
DancingBraveTheBest15 Jul 24 11:28Joined: 01 Sep 08 | Topic/replies: 4,575 | Blogger: DancingBraveTheBest's blog
stu......they would only be executed if they are 100% proven to have committed the crime....with the advances in DNA there will be no innocent people executed.

Please define the difference between
a) beyond reasonable doubt
b)100% proven.

You might like to think that no innocent people will be executed but history suggests it's an impossibility.
Report The Management July 15, 2024 12:55 PM BST
Policemen, scientists and "expert" witnesses aren't like the rest of us - they never have their own agenda and they never make mistakes.
Report The Management July 15, 2024 1:00 PM BST
And don't forget, they only pick the very cleverest, well balanced and open-minded people to do jury service.
Report 1st time poster July 15, 2024 2:56 PM BST
takes away any point in the  charged pleading  guilty and saving those effected from going to trial
Report The Management July 15, 2024 3:09 PM BST
It's almost like some of the problems society faces are quite deep, multi-faceted and complex - and the people that see everything in the most simplistic and one-dimensional terms - black and white terms or left versus right, don't have any of the answers Cry

I suppose they do make up for it though, by sometimes having very good soundbites.
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