LABOUR WITH LESS VOTES THAN 2019

pandora1963 04 Jul 24 21:15 
RED TORIES UNDER 396 SEATS.

nuther kapooting for dora..

Can you imagine voting for someone who wanted to mandate the dangerous potions?

He should be on trial for crimes against humanity imo but here he is being voted in as Prime Minister.

What is this, Stockholm Syndrome?

general election turnout:

Were the figure to fall below 59.4%, it would rank as the lowest turnout at a general election since the Second World War.

I suppose there is some hope here that people are no longer being taken in by the two cheeks on the same globalist controlled arris.

https://x.com/bobscartoons/status/1798392267746734176

"Chris Philp re-elected as Croydon South MP in shock result and hints at Tory leadership bid
MP held on to constituency despite an exit poll suggesting he had only a one per cent chance of doing so"

Hmmm.

Croydon South is a fairly middle class area and not a ghetto like its neighbours. I think it was a protest vote eg Reform was not in 2nd, and voting for Labour with its Islamist and extremist factions was not a viable option either. As such, Conservative was the best option.

I take it the OP means fewer.

Reform 15% Voteshare = 4 seats
Lib Dem 13% Voteshare = 71 seats

Reform 15% Voteshare = 4 seats
Labour 35% Voteshare = 412 seats

It's ridiculous the vote share and seats thing

Voting system referendum in 2011, so how did you vote hulk?

merely pointing out the anomalies it can throw up. 

roughly 1 in every 6 people voted for Reform. 

and they will be represented in parliament by 4 people.

The greens and the libs have been putting up with that for decades tbf

4 people too many

I would wager that the majority of people on this thread voted against a change of system in 2011.

Yes sparrow, I bet they did. The problem with PR is nobody would ever end up with a majority and therefore very little gets done. The "democracy" that we have is very unfair and it's a joke to call it a democracy - but it's very practical.

Agreed TM, especially when we look at countries who use a PR system and end up with a ragbag of individuals forming a government.

LABOUR WITH LESS VOTES THAN 2019

I know, great isn't it?

LABOUR WITH LESS VOTES THAN 2019

I know, great isn't it?

Farage will fight for PR all the way, its so much fairer, otherwise nothing changes

I'm not a supporter of PR just as much as the present 1st past the post voting system. I believe PR will not and does not allow any key policies being carried out efficiently, speedily and successfully. Imagine a PLC making decisions by a body of individuals and not senior experienced management headed by the CEO or Chairman. This could be disastrous for the company concerned and its future progress, status and survival.

that's the way it rolls, still weird to think that despite a landslide victory 2 people in every 3 people that voted didn't want labour to be in charge

its a failed system, all of them out is the only thing I could vote for

In 2019 the Tories increased their national vote by 300,000 & gained 47 seats. The Lib Dems incresed their national vote by 1.5 million & were rewarded by losing one seat. In 2019 there was not a peep. Why the outrage now?

wonders I'd be happy if they made it compulsory to vote (with a "none of the above" option)

Lee Ho Fooks 05 Jul 24 14:48 
In 2019 the Tories increased their national vote by 300,000 & gained 47 seats. The Lib Dems incresed their national vote by 1.5 million & were rewarded by losing one seat. In 2019 there was not a peep. Why the outrage now?






Can't seem to remember all these people campaigning for PR during the referendum in 2011.   I must have missed it all.

United Kingdom
Alternative Vote referendum

5 May 2011   

At present, the UK uses the "first past the post" system to elect MPs to the House of Commons. Should the "alternative vote" system be used instead?
Results
Choice    Votes    %
Yes    6,152,607    32.10%
No    13,013,123    67.90%
Valid votes    19,165,730    99.41%
Invalid or blank votes    113,292    0.59%
Total votes    19,279,022    100.00%
Registered voters/turnout    45,684,501    42.2%

Jul 5, 2024 -- 2:51PM, Lee Ho Fooks wrote:

wonders I'd be happy if they made it compulsory to vote (with a "none of the above" option)

what price none of the above to be the largest vote %

there shouldn't be any party representation
just independents

Whatever % "none of the above" polled, they couldn't argue against it being a true representation because everyone would have had to vote for something

Then when NOTA polled (say) 62% it would prove just how bad they were

62% would be an illegitimate parliament (not that its not already of course)

True, 42% then

almost certainly the largest vote share @ 42%
I'd certainly expect it to be in that region

At least that way we'd have an irrefutable argument to put to them.

Turnout down 7 points from 67% to 60%.
Labour vote up 2%.
Cons down 20%. Reform up 12%.

The implication being that all those red wall Tories in 2019 didnt turn out for Sunak.
How ironic.
Rishi was just about the only sane person left in the Conservatives after the Truss experiment. And he couldnt get elected.

Have to wonder about the future for the Conservatives.
What is the point in them if Farage is now the unofficial political leader of the right? There is precious little difference between the centre right and the liberals. And there isnt many of them left in the Conservative party anyway.
Surely its too much to hope that the Tories are to go the way of the dodo?

Of course the turnout is down, they did everything possible to stop the younger generation from voting plus rejigging the boundaries. Rotten to the core.

As Mark Twain was quoted as saying, “If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.” How true. The present system is totally unacceptable. PR would be, in my opinion, the lesser of the two evils. At least there's an element of fairness about the process.

The British electorate rejected PR in a referendum held in 2011 but should we also revisit the referendum of 2016? I'm sure Farage and his supporters would agree!

Sparrow you've told us 12 times there was a referendum, we get it.  People can still discuss it imo.

PR results in a government that depends on right /left wing elements to function . So the nutters rule the sensible.  Not good . Look at Israel

layingisthewayforward 06 Jul 24 10:06 
Sparrow you've told us 12 times there was a referendum, we get it.  People can still discuss it imo.




So do you think referendum results should be ignored?

Party              Candidate    Votes    %   
Conservative      Matt Warman    31,963    76.7   
Labour              Ben Cook    6,342    15.2   
Liberal Democrats Hilary Jones    1,963    4.7   
Independent      Peter Watson    1,428    3.4   
Majority                    25,621    61.4   

tories had a 61.4% majority in Boston and Skegness in 2019, took 76.7% of the votes. 

and lost out to Reform, absolute belter of a result.

The Boston and Skegness constituency in Lincolnshire has been won by Richard Tice with a majority of 2,010 votes. The election saw Tice beat the other six candidates and secure a victory for his party.

The constituency has long been a stronghold for the Conservative party, with Matt Warman holding the position of MP from 2015 to 2024, and before that Mark Simmonds held the role from 2001 until 2015 after being elected three times.

Warman achieved 13,510 votes, with some Conservatives spotted in tears as they realised they had lost the seat.

Just a load of silly old brexiteers there when all is said and done.

The chief beneficiary of this election are the Liberals with 71 seats (from 8) despite getting 500k lesser votes than Reform (5 seats). And, to a lesser extent Labour with just 1.6% more votes than in 2019, but with 211 more seats.

If nothing gets done under PR. Then what's the difference?

Nothing was done over energy for decades. Nothing has been done over water supply for decades. Nothing has been done to make the NHS work properly.
The list goes on.

The two utilities ie Energy and Water were bought by foreign entities courtesy of British shareholders and pension funds for a quick buck usually just prior to annual x'mas bonus. How the heck could these have been allowed? Where was the M%M Commission?

These utilities are sacrosanct and should not have been sold to foreign entities. This was the main cause of the increase in the cost of living and Putin/Ukraine War.

Now, with the mega dividends mis-appropriated/siphoned by foreign shareholders over the necessary minimum investment required to maintain production level/ability some of these utilities could be on their last legs and major investments needed to return them to post sale levels.

Personal greed supersedes national interests - that's the story of the present UK (business) mentality.

Conservatives lost it,when Boris cracked under the pressure of Covid,where Churchill stood up to Herr H when some of his cabinet wanted capitulation Boris started listening to all and sundry showing that he had no backbone.

Correct, impossible.  We sell off all our important utilities and then complain when it all goes wrong.

I think Bojo was good at Covid containment post personal experiences. But, he'd too many skeletons in his closet to be an effective PM eg the main one being Partygate; 2nd, repeatedly and knowingly 'lying' to Parliament. He was also a wounded PM at the mercy of his sycophantic colleagues with vested interests.

Conservatives definitely lost the election - no doubt about that. They were pulling in opposite/different directions; Ms Truss did not help. Mr Sunak was also weak, and not a good leader - he was a fudged-pot; they deserved what they got on thursday.

Hopefully, Sir Starmer and his charisma-less personality can take a more forthright, determined and lawyer-like discipline approach to British politics and holding public offices. I think some in his Cabinet are experienced, qualified and capable in making the UK respectable again.

I firmly believe UK is a better proposition than the mish-mash EU.

This time the Conservatives(Sunak)did the dirty on Labour by leaving the coffers bare.

All governments leave debt.....ie The National Debt.

I think all figures would have been available , Reeves 1st statement "Nee Money"   I wonder what's coming our way

then complain when it all goes wrong.

I'm not Complaining , I know it will go Wrong ,in a big fookin way , Bar the Islamic Links this Mob are no different to the Tories

just a little bit more Wokery , This country is Fooked , The daily Bote Line up will be like the Grand National  ,Reeves Number one

Job Raising Money For new comers , As for Nut Zero Energy Where's the Money for that ?

there are 6 million in this Country dependent in Some way on Benefits , Plenty of free Grants For Heat Pumps Required

The woman dressed in green yesterday shouldn’t have been allowed in the door….

Who was the woman?

His sidekick,ex carer and union rep…..

Certainly not government material imv

No respect the way of dress …no respect for the fodder imo….

SHE GOT THAT DRESS FROM A CHARITY SHOP £15

Ms Rayner? I think she's ok. It's never easy for a woman who's womanly and attractive; she's bound to come under the scrutiny of some boyos. She's come a long way from her teenage years; she's making a comfortable life for herself. I think her new post ie in charge of building new affordable homes could put her in the spotlight again unless she treads carefully and intelligently.

Imagine Thatcher looking down at her dressed in circus outfit…dear god …

Remember, this is Labour not a fashion show. She's no Ms Cumani; attended expensive boarding school to end up presenting horseracing with Mr Chamberlin - the horseracing void.

Plenty of snobbishness going on here alright.

It matters not who is in charge, they dont give a flying fook about anyone but themselves the country is fooked,

Managed to say Thatcher but incapable of mentioning the name Rayner.

look in a years time see what been done think it will be nothing

Rayner was Sporting a pair of old Green Curtains

Women must dress properly and have a presence to gain respect,reading the comments regarding this tells you everything….

Time will tell tho’

We could start with the vomit inducing malarkey going on in Birmingham dancing in the streets with swords and other medieval knives and not a plod in sight..

Try that in Scotland you’ll be looking at 5 years in the can…

sparrow 06 Jul 24 14:10 
Managed to say Thatcher but incapable of mentioning the name Rayner

Rayner….

Maggie is currently negotiating a deal to sell off the Pearly Gates - to the lowest bidder.

Watch with interest the action taken regarding the undocumented invading the shores…..

Labour looking for the gold reserves

Gordon Brown sold off our gold bars cheaply; Maggie Thatcher privatizing our utilities and affordable homes. I bet these two individuals did not venture into foreign exchange and properties.

Jul 6, 2024 -- 1:54PM, impossible123 wrote:

Who was the woman?

I believe he is referring to the Deputy Prime Minister

Thanks 'Jumper'. I think Ms Rayner is lacking a wee bit of confidence because of her teenage years hence the self-consciousness and insecurity; her over-assertive verbal reply could be a testament to that.

I have to admit I dont understand the world as I get older. Social media influencers, AI Chat GPT.  All this carp.
Think people like me are getting left behind.
The only candidate i did 'get' in the election was Farage. But I am an old lefty so I can never vote for him. Just put the X next to the Labour bod & wondered what have I done...

From my bare understanding of economics, government finances will rely on economic growth. With growth, revenues increase and the national debt gets smaller. Rachel Reeves worked for Mark Carney at the Bank of England, who was for my money the best BOE guv'nor in living memory.. I should imagine that Lab will step aside & just let events take their course. The GDP will rise without any big government decisions. And then its happy days, relatively. The UK is a rich country after all.

I do remember when Blair took over. All the talk was that Labour would crash the economy. Then Gordon Brown announced he was handing monetary policy to the BoE. And with one fell swoop the Tories disappeared into anonymity.
Wouldnt be at all surprised if recent history repeated itself.

As Chancellor Gordon Brown gave us the longest run of economic growth this country had ever seen.  And when it did eventually turn sour it was because of the global financial meltdown that affected all developed countries.

We never had crumbling public services under Blair/Brown we didn't have food banks.

As for selling off gold.

*****BOTH PARTIES HAVE SOLD OFF GOLD RESERVES*****

and the amount what Gordon Brown sold was minor compared to what others sold off.




Furthermore if it wasn't for Gordon Brown we would have been using Euros not Pounds (and Brexit would never have happened) And this site would not exist because he scrapped betting tax too.

she thinks women have penises?

I don’t think it’s too difficult to run a country tbf…..takes spine to rid a rodent tho….

The list of innocent people slaughtered in the streets is vomit inducing…..

That is where Thatcher comes into the argument……

The Nottingham beast is one example along with the Somalian vermin with evil history….

After the Banking crisis ie bank oF england took their eye off the ball and allowed lenders to lend blindly and unprofessionally another free reign is most unlikely; a monitored- approach with only the necessary intervention - if and when necessary - I think.

Mark Carney was very capable, independent and astute in managing UK Banking. He was good for UK Plc.

oh - truth checked G Brown the most expensive and worst Chancellor we've had - more damage even than the truss week

Thatcher whatever the good and bad points was good for the UK overall

Carney - useless as are current B of E - should be politically controlled

Jul 6, 2024 -- 2:59PM, Gagging wrote:

oh - truth checked G Brown the most expensive and worst Chancellor we've had - more damage even than the truss week

PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE

How many recessions did UK endure when Gordon Brown was Chancellor?

ZERO

Sounding off about gold reserves is such a Forum topic.
Bring back the Gold Standard!

The amount of gold sold might not have been significant, the price was very much though - it was a smidgeon or present. Also, the UK was not beset with Covid or Putin war in Ukraine - the main causes of higher cost of living. In addition a higher immigration and social dependence/spending stifled most economic progress.

Such a shame the revenues from North Sea Oil was miss-spent and not used to rebuild the UK economy.

Jul 6, 2024 -- 3:16PM, impossible123 wrote:

The amount of gold sold might not have been significant, the price was very much though - it was a smidgeon or present. Also, the UK was not beset with Covid or Putin war in Ukraine - the main causes of higher cost of living. In addition a higher immigration and social dependence/spending stifled most economic progress. Such a shame the revenues from North Sea Oil was miss-spent and not used to rebuild the UK economy.

I can agree with that last point 100%

Norway discovered oil and with their revenue they set up a sovereign wealth fund that is now worth 1.6 Trillion and Norway is one of the wealthiest nations on earth and we're not.

One might also argue that the Cameron/Osborne rush to austerity was also a huge mistake.
Owing to the huge number of Poles & Romanians filling employment vacancies in the 2010s the UK was just about the only country which did not enter into a period of recession after the 2008 banking crash.

All manner of public infrastructure spending was wiped out because of austerity. And to top it all the Cons also went after the Eastern Europeans who were actually adding to growth..

The more I think about it, people like Brown and Reeves are probably what we need.

People forget how well Brown dealt with the 2008 crash.

Couldnt really fault him (Broon).
Not down to him that the banks decided to succumb to greed.

Luck does play a big part in UK politics eg Labour was left with no money when Blair came in. The selling of the family silver and oil revenues were "mismanaged" by the Conservatives and sued to plug the holes left behind by Labour.

Norway was very lucky. A delay or a change of mind to join the EU has saved the Norwegians a lot of money. Otherwise it would have gone to facilitate Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Rep and others former Russia enclaves.

Norway scored better than Scotland imv….we struck oil and became poor…..

Scotland was living off mainland UK from infinity prior to the discovery of North Sea Oil. Even the technology for extraction did not derive from Scotland. However, a town like Aberdeen was enriched by the revenues derived though.

Where was Ms Sturgeon on election night? The SNP was annihilated. Has Ms Sturgeon assumed responsibility, or she's still denying the demise was not her doing?

Living off mainland lol do we not pay taxes….

Where was Ms Sturgeon on election night?

peters "run into a bit of cash" so maybe a couple of weeks in Sandy Lane ?

ITV studios for about 16 hours…

It was Alistair Darling who was chancellor at the time of 2008 crash and it was he that saw us through it.

Billions to banks and furlough …..would finish any country…..

Lockdown finished society in general…..RIP high streets…..

Most couldn’t run a bus trip to Blackpool….tbf..

Brown had plenty to do it with it as PM and and long experience as chancellor himself. Both Brown and Darling did well.

Brown was left a near basket case when Mr Blair had enough. The former used up every bit of sympathy and tolerance from the UK public.