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Gavin Newsom ( Biden 5.7 ) both exchange odds on here
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Newsom is currently Governor of California and has been Major of San Francisco.
He is 56 and has been showing signs of wanting to run for President in 2028.
Biden was awful in the debate last night and there looks to be no way he will still be anything like compos mentis in 4 and a half years.
There are going to be a lot of Democrats who will be worried about Biden's mental state and Newsom is a ready-made experienced,presidential-looking (youngish) candidate.
He has one or two skeletons in his closet ( he's not gay despite the SF connection ) but like nearly everybody's they don't seem to compare to Trump's.
He is 56 and has been showing signs of wanting to run for President in 2028.
Biden was awful in the debate last night and there looks to be no way he will still be anything like compos mentis in 4 and a half years.
There are going to be a lot of Democrats who will be worried about Biden's mental state and Newsom is a ready-made experienced,presidential-looking (youngish) candidate.
He has one or two skeletons in his closet ( he's not gay despite the SF connection ) but like nearly everybody's they don't seem to compare to Trump's.
Imposed tyranny on California during the covid scam, he should be on trial for crimes against humanity, not running for President
See, whether you're feeling well or not, get out in the sunshine and open air to get some Vitamin D and boost your immune system.
Newsom closed the beaches
Newsom closed the beaches
Dan Bongino called this on the podcast many weeks ago and how the 1.2 Biden just as a nominee was a 50/50 chance
Biden had a terrible debate last night so people are looking for replacement nominees if Biden withdraws on age-related medical grounds. Gavin Newsom is the name they've come up with BUT that does assume the Dems can ditch Biden AND his VP Kamala Harris AND every other Dem who fancies their chances without causing civil war in the party.
Not surprisingly Biden has drifted in betting to be Dem nominee , not sure why it took that debate to prove he is completely unfit for office though .Yanks are in trouble because Newsome will stand a good chance of beating Trump imo ,and Newsome has basically crippled California with his idiot ideas people have left the state in droves.
compos mentis in 4.5 Years , he has been for the past 4.5 years
It is incredible he could even be Considered
It is incredible he could even be Considered
There is something deeply ironic about casemoney's last two posts.
Don't think they can remove Biden, he would have to make the decision (which will be difficult in itself).
very difficult, most of the time I doubt Biden even realises he is the President.
A dodderer or a degenerate, difficult choice for some voters.
His ex wife has been banging Donald Trump jnr for quite some time
Jun 28, 2024 -- 1:54PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
His ex wife has been banging Donald Trump jnr for quite some time
Newsom
lots of claims and counter claims in the dirty world of politics. what i hear is that the primary obstacle to getting rid of him is jill, who doesn't fancy giving up the whitehouse
Cider 28 Jun 24 13:55
lots of claims and counter claims in the dirty world of politics. what i hear is that the primary obstacle to getting rid of him is jill, who doesn't fancy giving up the whitehouse
A bit like Donald then.
lots of claims and counter claims in the dirty world of politics. what i hear is that the primary obstacle to getting rid of him is jill, who doesn't fancy giving up the whitehouse
A bit like Donald then.
Indeed, I doubt anyone wants to get it up, only downhill from there. It's quite funny in the UK when you see the hitherto chauffer driven ministers of state leaving #10 in their Kia sportage 
The difference here is that old sleepy joe is being abused in the effort to retain the status. Mightily undignified.
Said before the only money to made here is if the old guy is removed and there’s a 4th quarter substitution to Newsom, Michelle or Vagina Hairless.
Doubt it will happen because they still have mail in ballots and those lovely voting machines that magically conjure up millions of votes in the dead of night.
They will win this on the bridle no matter who’s there so might as well keep the old fart they can control there.
Doubt it will happen because they still have mail in ballots and those lovely voting machines that magically conjure up millions of votes in the dead of night.
They will win this on the bridle no matter who’s there so might as well keep the old fart they can control there.
Best way to settle it would be the golf match , winner takes the White House .Best of 3 ,one east coast course one central and one west coast .Failing that a boxing match .
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
EDWARD LUCE
The best that can be said of Joe Biden’s stumbling debate performance was that it took place in June. If he were pressed to step down as nominee there would still be two months to go before the Democratic convention.
For Biden’s loyalists, who have always moved swiftly to shut down any hint of dissent about his candidacy, Thursday night was a moment of truth. For more than a year, private conversations in Washington have been dominated by the president’s ageing. But the public omerta on that topic broadly held up. That cognitive dissonance has now collapsed. The story is now about whether Biden can be persuaded to step down.
The choice is his alone. Having crushed the Democratic nomination, Biden would be within his rights to ignore pleas to step aside. Potential alternative nominees, such as Gavin Newsom, California’s governor, and Gretchen Whitmer, Michigan’s governor, will be unlikely to speak out. The risk of being labelled a traitor and ruining their presidential chances would be too great.
There is no such thing as a committee of party elders who can prevail on Biden to vacate the crown. He is the leader of the party. A tap on the shoulder from the younger Hillary Clinton (76), or the much younger Barack Obama (62), would risk backfiring.
Those who know Biden best say the only people who could influence him are his family, starting with the first lady, Jill Biden. Biden is a stubborn man. Most presidents are. Until Thursday night, he believed he was the only Democrat who could beat Donald Trump. Now it looks like he is on a course to defeat in November.
As Biden’s mumbling, and often inaudible, performance went on, the prediction markets reacted in real time. By the end of the debate, one political betting market, PredictIt, gave Trump a 61 per cent chance of winning, having started the debate at 53 per cent. This put a number on what almost everyone was thinking.
The risk for Democrats now is two-fold. The first is that Biden simply refuses to budge. Indeed, that is still the likeliest outcome. While the debate was happening, Biden’s aides were putting it about that he was suffering from a heavy cold, which explained his hoarse delivery. By this point, everyone had forgotten Trump’s forecast that Biden would take a “shot in the ass”, or even cocaine, to enhance his performance.
If Biden believes he simply had a bad night, he could eat up the precious time Democrats have to elect a replacement. The worst thing he could do is cling on for another few weeks then step down. He would need to make the announcement in the next few days.
The second risk is that Biden does decide to step aside in good time and the Democratic Party descends into civil war. Another reason Biden has been so reluctant to consider quitting is the unpopularity of Kamala Harris, the vice-president. But as the first female and non-white vice-president, it would be provocative for Biden to endorse anyone else. If he did not name Harris as his heir apparent, the party could polarise along ideological lines.
Anyone competing with Harris for the nomination, particularly a white male, would risk being depicted as the enemy of progress. A bitter Democratic nomination battle culminating in a divisive convention in Chicago offers too many historical echoes for comfort. When the Democrats held their convention in that Midwestern city in 1968, it turned into a circular firing squad.
These risks were already known. But the upsides are suddenly clearer. Many democracies can hold a general election and change their government in the timeframe between now and the Chicago convention. Indeed, Britain looks set to do so next week having declared a snap election in late May. The fact that no US party has held an open convention in recent memory should be no obstacle. Everything about America’s 2024 presidential race is unprecedented. This includes the advanced age of both candidates and the fact that one of them, Trump, has repudiated the results of the last election.
Bill Clinton once said Americans prefer “strong and wrong” to “weak and right”. On Thursday, those two options were on the debate stage. Every Democrat, including Biden, tirelessly repeats that democracy is on the ballot this November. They argue that the stakes for America are existential. The question now is whether they have the ruthlessness to act on those beliefs.
There is no shortage of Democratic talent. Nor would a noisy contest necessarily be bad for the party. Democrats would be showcasing the lively democratic process that they believe is in peril. The question that Biden, and the first lady, must now ask themselves is who Trump would fear more: Biden, or a younger opponent who could fire off the rebuttals that he failed to deliver on Thursday? To a growing number of Democrats, that question answers itself. – Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2024
The best that can be said of Joe Biden’s stumbling debate performance was that it took place in June. If he were pressed to step down as nominee there would still be two months to go before the Democratic convention.
For Biden’s loyalists, who have always moved swiftly to shut down any hint of dissent about his candidacy, Thursday night was a moment of truth. For more than a year, private conversations in Washington have been dominated by the president’s ageing. But the public omerta on that topic broadly held up. That cognitive dissonance has now collapsed. The story is now about whether Biden can be persuaded to step down.
The choice is his alone. Having crushed the Democratic nomination, Biden would be within his rights to ignore pleas to step aside. Potential alternative nominees, such as Gavin Newsom, California’s governor, and Gretchen Whitmer, Michigan’s governor, will be unlikely to speak out. The risk of being labelled a traitor and ruining their presidential chances would be too great.
There is no such thing as a committee of party elders who can prevail on Biden to vacate the crown. He is the leader of the party. A tap on the shoulder from the younger Hillary Clinton (76), or the much younger Barack Obama (62), would risk backfiring.
Those who know Biden best say the only people who could influence him are his family, starting with the first lady, Jill Biden. Biden is a stubborn man. Most presidents are. Until Thursday night, he believed he was the only Democrat who could beat Donald Trump. Now it looks like he is on a course to defeat in November.
As Biden’s mumbling, and often inaudible, performance went on, the prediction markets reacted in real time. By the end of the debate, one political betting market, PredictIt, gave Trump a 61 per cent chance of winning, having started the debate at 53 per cent. This put a number on what almost everyone was thinking.
The risk for Democrats now is two-fold. The first is that Biden simply refuses to budge. Indeed, that is still the likeliest outcome. While the debate was happening, Biden’s aides were putting it about that he was suffering from a heavy cold, which explained his hoarse delivery. By this point, everyone had forgotten Trump’s forecast that Biden would take a “shot in the ass”, or even cocaine, to enhance his performance.
If Biden believes he simply had a bad night, he could eat up the precious time Democrats have to elect a replacement. The worst thing he could do is cling on for another few weeks then step down. He would need to make the announcement in the next few days.
The second risk is that Biden does decide to step aside in good time and the Democratic Party descends into civil war. Another reason Biden has been so reluctant to consider quitting is the unpopularity of Kamala Harris, the vice-president. But as the first female and non-white vice-president, it would be provocative for Biden to endorse anyone else. If he did not name Harris as his heir apparent, the party could polarise along ideological lines.
Anyone competing with Harris for the nomination, particularly a white male, would risk being depicted as the enemy of progress. A bitter Democratic nomination battle culminating in a divisive convention in Chicago offers too many historical echoes for comfort. When the Democrats held their convention in that Midwestern city in 1968, it turned into a circular firing squad.
These risks were already known. But the upsides are suddenly clearer. Many democracies can hold a general election and change their government in the timeframe between now and the Chicago convention. Indeed, Britain looks set to do so next week having declared a snap election in late May. The fact that no US party has held an open convention in recent memory should be no obstacle. Everything about America’s 2024 presidential race is unprecedented. This includes the advanced age of both candidates and the fact that one of them, Trump, has repudiated the results of the last election.
Bill Clinton once said Americans prefer “strong and wrong” to “weak and right”. On Thursday, those two options were on the debate stage. Every Democrat, including Biden, tirelessly repeats that democracy is on the ballot this November. They argue that the stakes for America are existential. The question now is whether they have the ruthlessness to act on those beliefs.
There is no shortage of Democratic talent. Nor would a noisy contest necessarily be bad for the party. Democrats would be showcasing the lively democratic process that they believe is in peril. The question that Biden, and the first lady, must now ask themselves is who Trump would fear more: Biden, or a younger opponent who could fire off the rebuttals that he failed to deliver on Thursday? To a growing number of Democrats, that question answers itself. – Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2024
Anyone competing with Harris for the nomination, particularly a white male, would risk being depicted as the enemy of progress.
The world these establishment types have created. Getting better, isn't it.
The world these establishment types have created. Getting better, isn't it.
Harris would be GSM Trump without a doubt. She really is beyond horrendous
Michelle Obama is hovering quietly in the background.
My USA contacts tell me Camel El Harris is hated. She has more chance of losing the election than Joe!
The people behind Biden will not want to relinquish power, a new democratic nominee will mean a clean out of the current administration when the nominee puts his/her own teams in.
Thought so but the party machines could elect a rubber doll just by weight of money.
9/2 on here looks big, looks a different fella today at a rally speakin clearly and alert.
timberman 28 Jun 24 14:28
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts
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That made me laugh, you actually think Biden is not?
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts
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That made me laugh, you actually think Biden is not?
The Donald, love him or hate him, has the establishment running scared.
Michelle Obama is a fella same as Bridget Macron
Weird freakin’ times
Weird freakin’ times
Donald Trump looks a cert based on what I've seen on the TV
Surely a better option than the senile Biden
Trump and Boris the dream ticket imo
Although highly unlikely now I admit
We need characters to run the countries
Surely a better option than the senile Biden
Trump and Boris the dream ticket imo
Although highly unlikely now I admit
We need characters to run the countries
And every blueprint of the technology for the “moon landings” has disappeared
Weird innit
Weird innit
These people will fabricate a war or pandemic to prevent Trump getting to power
Trump and Johnson the nightmare team is what I think must have been meant.
His Mrs should be arrested for Cruelty , How can she let him carry on , The democrats are a disgrace
I genuinely hope Jill Biden CAN get him to step down.
But to say the Democrats are a disgrace,when the Republicans seem to be solidly behind the mendacious,sex-pest buffoon takes the biscuit.
But to say the Democrats are a disgrace,when the Republicans seem to be solidly behind the mendacious,sex-pest buffoon takes the biscuit.
Joe is a sick man Salmon They know he is not Right Have done for years
Trump has the Maga support and strangely there is a Rise in support from other Communities
300 Million plus people and these are the the Two, sums the states up
The Republican Should be the Florida Governor Ron ,if he was in Dons shoes at the mo facing Biden
he would be very short odds indeed .
Trump has the Maga support and strangely there is a Rise in support from other Communities
300 Million plus people and these are the the Two, sums the states up
The Republican Should be the Florida Governor Ron ,if he was in Dons shoes at the mo facing Biden
he would be very short odds indeed .
The difference between them last Night was Joe couldn't answer Questions And Don Wouldn't ..
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