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Report salmon spray June 28, 2024 10:12 AM BST
Newsom is currently Governor of California and has been Major of San Francisco.
He is 56 and has been showing signs of wanting to run for President in 2028.
Biden was awful in the debate last night and there looks to be no way he will still be anything like compos mentis in 4 and a half years.
There are going to be a lot of Democrats who will be worried about Biden's mental state and Newsom is a ready-made experienced,presidential-looking (youngish) candidate.
He has one or two skeletons in his closet ( he's not gay despite the SF connection ) but like nearly everybody's they don't seem to compare to Trump's.
Report GEORGE.B June 28, 2024 11:40 AM BST
Imposed tyranny on California during the covid scam, he should be on trial for crimes against humanity, not running for President
Report GEORGE.B June 28, 2024 11:44 AM BST
See, whether you're feeling well or not, get out in the sunshine and open air to get some Vitamin D and boost your immune system.

Newsom closed the beaches LaughCry
Report Hayden June 28, 2024 12:03 PM BST
Dan Bongino called this on the podcast many weeks ago and how the 1.2 Biden just as a nominee was a 50/50 chance
Report Ramruma June 28, 2024 12:12 PM BST
Biden had a terrible debate last night so people are looking for replacement nominees if Biden withdraws on age-related medical grounds. Gavin Newsom is the name they've come up with BUT that does assume the Dems can ditch Biden AND his VP Kamala Harris AND every other Dem who fancies their chances without causing civil war in the party.
Report sadlers June 28, 2024 1:09 PM BST
Not surprisingly Biden has drifted in betting to be Dem nominee , not sure why it took that debate to prove he is completely unfit for office though .Yanks are in trouble because Newsome will stand a good chance of beating Trump imo ,and Newsome has basically crippled California with his idiot ideas people have left the state in droves.
Report casemoney June 28, 2024 1:16 PM BST
compos mentis in 4.5 Years , he has been for the past 4.5 years

It is incredible he could even be Considered
Report casemoney June 28, 2024 1:16 PM BST
NOT BEEN
Report Ramruma June 28, 2024 1:19 PM BST
There is something deeply ironic about casemoney's last two posts.
Report Brian June 28, 2024 1:21 PM BST
Don't think they can remove Biden, he would have to make the decision (which will be difficult in itself).
Report swiftynifty June 28, 2024 1:24 PM BST
very difficult, most of the time I doubt Biden even realises he is the President.
Report kevo June 28, 2024 1:51 PM BST
A dodderer or a degenerate, difficult choice for some voters.
Report Cardinal Scott June 28, 2024 1:54 PM BST
His ex wife has been banging Donald Trump jnr for quite some time
Report Cardinal Scott June 28, 2024 1:55 PM BST

Jun 28, 2024 -- 7:54AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


His ex wife has been banging Donald Trump jnr for quite some time


Newsom

Report Cider June 28, 2024 1:55 PM BST
lots of claims and counter claims in the dirty world of politics. what i hear is that the primary obstacle to getting rid of him is jill, who doesn't fancy giving up the whitehouse
Report kevo June 28, 2024 1:58 PM BST
Cider 28 Jun 24 13:55 
lots of claims and counter claims in the dirty world of politics. what i hear is that the primary obstacle to getting rid of him is jill, who doesn't fancy giving up the whitehouse


A bit like Donald then.
Report Cider June 28, 2024 2:02 PM BST
Indeed, I doubt anyone wants to get it up, only downhill from there. It's quite funny in the UK when you see the hitherto chauffer driven ministers of state leaving #10 in their Kia sportage Grin
Report Cider June 28, 2024 2:04 PM BST
The difference here is that old sleepy joe is being abused in the effort to retain the status. Mightily undignified.
Report EastLower Gooner June 28, 2024 2:06 PM BST
Said before the only money to made here is if the old guy is removed and there’s a 4th quarter substitution to Newsom, Michelle or Vagina Hairless.

Doubt it will happen because they still have mail in ballots and those lovely voting machines that magically conjure up millions of votes in the dead of night.

They will win this on the bridle no matter who’s there so might as well keep the old fart they can control there.
Report sadlers June 28, 2024 2:17 PM BST
Best way to settle it would be the golf match , winner takes the White House .Best of 3 ,one east coast course one central and one west coast .Failing that a boxing match .
Report timberman June 28, 2024 2:27 PM BST
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Report timberman June 28, 2024 2:27 PM BST
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Report timberman June 28, 2024 2:28 PM BST
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Report timberman June 28, 2024 2:30 PM BST
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !
Report The Management June 28, 2024 2:30 PM BST
Also the top and the middle line -apparently!
Report RoyalAcademy June 28, 2024 3:06 PM BST
EDWARD LUCE

The best that can be said of Joe Biden’s stumbling debate performance was that it took place in June. If he were pressed to step down as nominee there would still be two months to go before the Democratic convention.

For Biden’s loyalists, who have always moved swiftly to shut down any hint of dissent about his candidacy, Thursday night was a moment of truth. For more than a year, private conversations in Washington have been dominated by the president’s ageing. But the public omerta on that topic broadly held up. That cognitive dissonance has now collapsed. The story is now about whether Biden can be persuaded to step down.

The choice is his alone. Having crushed the Democratic nomination, Biden would be within his rights to ignore pleas to step aside. Potential alternative nominees, such as Gavin Newsom, California’s governor, and Gretchen Whitmer, Michigan’s governor, will be unlikely to speak out. The risk of being labelled a traitor and ruining their presidential chances would be too great.

There is no such thing as a committee of party elders who can prevail on Biden to vacate the crown. He is the leader of the party. A tap on the shoulder from the younger Hillary Clinton (76), or the much younger Barack Obama (62), would risk backfiring.

Those who know Biden best say the only people who could influence him are his family, starting with the first lady, Jill Biden. Biden is a stubborn man. Most presidents are. Until Thursday night, he believed he was the only Democrat who could beat Donald Trump. Now it looks like he is on a course to defeat in November.

As Biden’s mumbling, and often inaudible, performance went on, the prediction markets reacted in real time. By the end of the debate, one political betting market, PredictIt, gave Trump a 61 per cent chance of winning, having started the debate at 53 per cent. This put a number on what almost everyone was thinking.

The risk for Democrats now is two-fold. The first is that Biden simply refuses to budge. Indeed, that is still the likeliest outcome. While the debate was happening, Biden’s aides were putting it about that he was suffering from a heavy cold, which explained his hoarse delivery. By this point, everyone had forgotten Trump’s forecast that Biden would take a “shot in the ass”, or even cocaine, to enhance his performance.

If Biden believes he simply had a bad night, he could eat up the precious time Democrats have to elect a replacement. The worst thing he could do is cling on for another few weeks then step down. He would need to make the announcement in the next few days.

The second risk is that Biden does decide to step aside in good time and the Democratic Party descends into civil war. Another reason Biden has been so reluctant to consider quitting is the unpopularity of Kamala Harris, the vice-president. But as the first female and non-white vice-president, it would be provocative for Biden to endorse anyone else. If he did not name Harris as his heir apparent, the party could polarise along ideological lines.

Anyone competing with Harris for the nomination, particularly a white male, would risk being depicted as the enemy of progress. A bitter Democratic nomination battle culminating in a divisive convention in Chicago offers too many historical echoes for comfort. When the Democrats held their convention in that Midwestern city in 1968, it turned into a circular firing squad.

These risks were already known. But the upsides are suddenly clearer. Many democracies can hold a general election and change their government in the timeframe between now and the Chicago convention. Indeed, Britain looks set to do so next week having declared a snap election in late May. The fact that no US party has held an open convention in recent memory should be no obstacle. Everything about America’s 2024 presidential race is unprecedented. This includes the advanced age of both candidates and the fact that one of them, Trump, has repudiated the results of the last election.

Bill Clinton once said Americans prefer “strong and wrong” to “weak and right”. On Thursday, those two options were on the debate stage. Every Democrat, including Biden, tirelessly repeats that democracy is on the ballot this November. They argue that the stakes for America are existential. The question now is whether they have the ruthlessness to act on those beliefs.

There is no shortage of Democratic talent. Nor would a noisy contest necessarily be bad for the party. Democrats would be showcasing the lively democratic process that they believe is in peril. The question that Biden, and the first lady, must now ask themselves is who Trump would fear more: Biden, or a younger opponent who could fire off the rebuttals that he failed to deliver on Thursday? To a growing number of Democrats, that question answers itself. – Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2024
Report Cider June 28, 2024 3:24 PM BST
Anyone competing with Harris for the nomination, particularly a white male, would risk being depicted as the enemy of progress.

The world these establishment types have created. Getting better, isn't it.
Report Angela Rebecchi June 28, 2024 3:28 PM BST
Harris would be GSM Trump without a doubt. She really is beyond horrendous Laugh
Report themightymac June 28, 2024 3:29 PM BST
Michelle Obama is hovering quietly in the background.
Report elise June 28, 2024 3:34 PM BST
she'd need a chinook to do that
Report Slicer June 28, 2024 3:43 PM BST
My USA contacts tell me Camel El Harris is hated. She has more chance of losing the election than Joe!
Report CROPSICK June 28, 2024 5:37 PM BST
The people behind Biden will not want to relinquish power, a new democratic nominee will mean a clean out of the current administration when the nominee puts his/her own teams in.
Report sageform June 28, 2024 5:41 PM BST
Isn't there a Kennedy still in the election race?
Report casemoney June 28, 2024 6:18 PM BST


Joe done great according to the Good Doctor
Report themightymac June 28, 2024 6:20 PM BST
RFK jnr is running as an independent candidate.
Report sageform June 28, 2024 6:25 PM BST
Thought so but the party machines could elect a rubber doll just by weight of money.
Report CROPSICK June 28, 2024 6:56 PM BST
9/2 on here looks big, looks a different fella today at a rally speakin clearly and alert.
Report saddo June 28, 2024 7:15 PM BST
timberman 28 Jun 24 14:28 
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts

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That made me laugh, you actually think Biden is not? Laugh
Report sageform June 28, 2024 7:44 PM BST
That was a hologramCry
Report themightymac June 28, 2024 8:10 PM BST
The Donald, love him or hate him, has the establishment running scared.
Report chavman June 28, 2024 8:17 PM BST
Michelle Obama is a fella same as Bridget Macron

Weird freakin’ times
Report Regbutler June 28, 2024 8:25 PM BST
Donald Trump looks a cert based on what I've seen on the TV
Surely a better option than the senile Biden
Trump and Boris the dream ticket imo
Although highly unlikely now I admit
We need characters to run the countries
Report chavman June 28, 2024 8:45 PM BST
And every blueprint of the technology for the “moon landings” has disappeared

Weird innit
Report chavman June 28, 2024 8:47 PM BST
These people will fabricate a war or pandemic to prevent Trump getting to power
Report salmon spray June 28, 2024 8:48 PM BST
Trump and Johnson the nightmare team is what I think must have been meant.
Report casemoney June 28, 2024 9:10 PM BST
His Mrs should be arrested for Cruelty , How can she let him carry on  , The democrats are a disgrace
Report salmon spray June 28, 2024 10:27 PM BST
I genuinely hope Jill Biden CAN get him to step down.
But to say the Democrats are a disgrace,when the Republicans seem to be solidly behind the mendacious,sex-pest buffoon takes the biscuit.
Report casemoney June 29, 2024 12:28 AM BST
Joe is a sick man Salmon  They know he is not Right Have done for years

Trump has the Maga support and strangely there is a Rise in support from other Communities

300 Million plus people  and these are the the Two,   sums the states up

The Republican Should be the Florida Governor Ron  ,if he was in Dons shoes at the mo facing Biden 

he would be very short odds indeed .
Report casemoney June 29, 2024 12:30 AM BST
The difference between them last Night was Joe couldn't answer Questions And Don Wouldn't ..
Report BARROWBOY June 29, 2024 11:33 AM BST
My father in law was in a better mental state than Biden,& the solicitor said he wasn’t of sound enough of mind to change his will.
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