Bloke i've never heard of 9 ( 8/1 ) to be US President

Imposed tyranny on California during the covid scam, he should be on trial for crimes against humanity, not running for President

Dan Bongino called this on the podcast many weeks ago and how the 1.2 Biden just as a nominee was a 50/50 chance

Not surprisingly Biden has drifted in betting to be Dem nominee , not sure why it took that debate to prove he is completely unfit for office though .Yanks are in trouble because Newsome will stand a good chance of beating Trump imo ,and Newsome has basically crippled California with his idiot ideas people have left the state in droves.

NOT BEEN

Don't think they can remove Biden, he would have to make the decision (which will be difficult in itself).

A dodderer or a degenerate, difficult choice for some voters.

Cider 28 Jun 24 13:55 
lots of claims and counter claims in the dirty world of politics. what i hear is that the primary obstacle to getting rid of him is jill, who doesn't fancy giving up the whitehouse


A bit like Donald then.

The difference here is that old sleepy joe is being abused in the effort to retain the status. Mightily undignified.

Best way to settle it would be the golf match , winner takes the White House .Best of 3 ,one east coast course one central and one west coast .Failing that a boxing match .

Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !

Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts and its a serious danger to the World Economy and Global law and order if was to get in again !

EDWARD LUCE

The best that can be said of Joe Biden’s stumbling debate performance was that it took place in June. If he were pressed to step down as nominee there would still be two months to go before the Democratic convention.

For Biden’s loyalists, who have always moved swiftly to shut down any hint of dissent about his candidacy, Thursday night was a moment of truth. For more than a year, private conversations in Washington have been dominated by the president’s ageing. But the public omerta on that topic broadly held up. That cognitive dissonance has now collapsed. The story is now about whether Biden can be persuaded to step down.

The choice is his alone. Having crushed the Democratic nomination, Biden would be within his rights to ignore pleas to step aside. Potential alternative nominees, such as Gavin Newsom, California’s governor, and Gretchen Whitmer, Michigan’s governor, will be unlikely to speak out. The risk of being labelled a traitor and ruining their presidential chances would be too great.

There is no such thing as a committee of party elders who can prevail on Biden to vacate the crown. He is the leader of the party. A tap on the shoulder from the younger Hillary Clinton (76), or the much younger Barack Obama (62), would risk backfiring.

Those who know Biden best say the only people who could influence him are his family, starting with the first lady, Jill Biden. Biden is a stubborn man. Most presidents are. Until Thursday night, he believed he was the only Democrat who could beat Donald Trump. Now it looks like he is on a course to defeat in November.

As Biden’s mumbling, and often inaudible, performance went on, the prediction markets reacted in real time. By the end of the debate, one political betting market, PredictIt, gave Trump a 61 per cent chance of winning, having started the debate at 53 per cent. This put a number on what almost everyone was thinking.

The risk for Democrats now is two-fold. The first is that Biden simply refuses to budge. Indeed, that is still the likeliest outcome. While the debate was happening, Biden’s aides were putting it about that he was suffering from a heavy cold, which explained his hoarse delivery. By this point, everyone had forgotten Trump’s forecast that Biden would take a “shot in the ass”, or even cocaine, to enhance his performance.

If Biden believes he simply had a bad night, he could eat up the precious time Democrats have to elect a replacement. The worst thing he could do is cling on for another few weeks then step down. He would need to make the announcement in the next few days.

The second risk is that Biden does decide to step aside in good time and the Democratic Party descends into civil war. Another reason Biden has been so reluctant to consider quitting is the unpopularity of Kamala Harris, the vice-president. But as the first female and non-white vice-president, it would be provocative for Biden to endorse anyone else. If he did not name Harris as his heir apparent, the party could polarise along ideological lines.

Anyone competing with Harris for the nomination, particularly a white male, would risk being depicted as the enemy of progress. A bitter Democratic nomination battle culminating in a divisive convention in Chicago offers too many historical echoes for comfort. When the Democrats held their convention in that Midwestern city in 1968, it turned into a circular firing squad.

These risks were already known. But the upsides are suddenly clearer. Many democracies can hold a general election and change their government in the timeframe between now and the Chicago convention. Indeed, Britain looks set to do so next week having declared a snap election in late May. The fact that no US party has held an open convention in recent memory should be no obstacle. Everything about America’s 2024 presidential race is unprecedented. This includes the advanced age of both candidates and the fact that one of them, Trump, has repudiated the results of the last election.

Bill Clinton once said Americans prefer “strong and wrong” to “weak and right”. On Thursday, those two options were on the debate stage. Every Democrat, including Biden, tirelessly repeats that democracy is on the ballot this November. They argue that the stakes for America are existential. The question now is whether they have the ruthlessness to act on those beliefs.

There is no shortage of Democratic talent. Nor would a noisy contest necessarily be bad for the party. Democrats would be showcasing the lively democratic process that they believe is in peril. The question that Biden, and the first lady, must now ask themselves is who Trump would fear more: Biden, or a younger opponent who could fire off the rebuttals that he failed to deliver on Thursday? To a growing number of Democrats, that question answers itself. – Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2024

Harris would be GSM Trump without a doubt. She really is beyond horrendous

she'd need a chinook to do that

The people behind Biden will not want to relinquish power, a new democratic nominee will mean a clean out of the current administration when the nominee puts his/her own teams in.

Joe done great according to the Good Doctor

Thought so but the party machines could elect a rubber doll just by weight of money.

timberman 28 Jun 24 14:28 
Bottom Line Donald Trump is nuts

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That made me laugh, you actually think Biden is not?