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Report Trident May 16, 2024 9:02 AM BST
Remember the corner at York, you must get round there well. If you think you have a "Good Thing" at York, may I suggest you think again!

Many have been yorked in the past, and many will follow with egg on their faces!Happy
Report FOYLESWAR May 16, 2024 9:39 AM BST
10 day break .....it may have looked easy at newmarket but most need a break between races and 10 days not ideal imo. would any other jockey have made a difference ? possibly got a bit closer if they had knocked the fook out of her but wouldna been placed anyhow and then we would have those moaning why give the horse a harder race than needed ,jockey no way to blame  imo.
Report The Knight May 16, 2024 10:43 AM BST
Yes, silly to blame the jockey here.

But, surely John Gosden would have seen something in the filly to indicate she had not recovered enough from the Newmarket run?

In the old days, when a short priced favourite with such good form ran so badly there would be cries of 'horse has been got at'. Doesn't seem to happen so much now but I do wonder given how the filly actually behaved during the race?

(And, no, I did not back it. I backed the third for 3 places and was probably a bit lucky to draw, as that filly seems to want about 2 miles plus!!!!)
Report 1st time poster May 16, 2024 3:18 PM BST
fell out of stores gives everything a start on a plodder as though he,s riding arrazi, TAXI
Report Mat22 May 16, 2024 3:19 PM BST
Gosden is missing Frankie Cool
Report whodareswins May 16, 2024 3:21 PM BST
As another favourite goes down.  How long will Gosden and the owners put up with the mistakes/poor rides?
Report 1st time poster May 16, 2024 3:23 PM BST
wont be long before SKIUDMARKS going down to start wearing a  RED HOOD,just as a warning to pun ters LaughLaugh
Report penzance May 16, 2024 3:27 PM BST
You's think that should've beat Blue Stocking there?
LaughLaugh
Report 1st time poster May 16, 2024 3:29 PM BST
i think he shouldnt have been a 100,s shot after 50yds
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 3:36 PM BST
Has there been another amnesty allowing nutters access to the internet? Would appear so albeit nothing unusual slating jockeys on here but blaming Shoemark for horses misbehaving is a new one as is horses taking a dislike to him on the gallops, unbelievable from armchair punters imvho!!
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 4:07 PM BST
He is not a grade 1 rider….if you think otherwise take up tiddlywinks……ffs
Report penzance May 16, 2024 4:08 PM BST
Why?Do you need someone to play with?
Report acey deucy May 16, 2024 4:08 PM BST
I think he could be top class but i think his confidence is draining by the minute.
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 4:12 PM BST
ROFL, advice from Quixall..........incredible!!!
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 4:12 PM BST
Like I say Royal Ascot…..gone

Saturday is a huge day for him……
Report wondersobright May 16, 2024 4:13 PM BST
looking at small sample of rides to judge a jockey...absolute tedium
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 4:15 PM BST
As you say wonder, even Frankie or Lester would not have won on the rides he is being slated for. BTW Quixall has blamed nearly every jockey beaten on his selections, a huge list tbf!!
Report 1st time poster May 16, 2024 4:21 PM BST
thats not the ?
the ? is would frankie,lester,fallon, moore been beaten in  musidora and middle on 2 short price favs after a 100 yds, neither  horse ever given a chance to run their race
Report wondersobright May 16, 2024 4:26 PM BST
1st time poster • May 16, 2024 4:21 PM BST
thats not the ?
the ? is would frankie,lester,fallon, moore been beaten in  musidora and middle on 2 short price favs after a 100 yds, neither  horse ever given a chance to run their race


musidora filly that looked so straightforward 10 days earlier under KS
and was hanging right immediately out of the stalls yesterday

do you realise how ridiculous your post is?
Report wondersobright May 16, 2024 4:28 PM BST
its so obvious the filly recoiled from the newmarket effort, quick run after reapparance bounce factor
beaten half the straight continually hanging

jockey bashing shows up a complete lack of understanding
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 4:29 PM BST
The answer for 1st TP is yes they probably would have been or maybe less!!!
Report wondersobright May 16, 2024 4:36 PM BST
on a seperate point

june through sept historically been gosden best time of year
slow up to may & then some tail off from oct onwards
large data sample

so remember that if you want to improve
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 4:41 PM BST
Gosden must be a poor judge of jockeys tbf, being a newcomer to the game, wtf would have guessed at Luke Morris on an Arc winner for him ffs and yes the owner input but really, is he daft?
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 4:42 PM BST
My argument is he is not a grade 1 rider…..certain to win on a few like most..
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 4:43 PM BST
Nothing to do with jockey bashing……
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 4:44 PM BST
ROFL Quixall, what is it about IYO?
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 4:46 PM BST
A claim that you know better than the Gosdens et al?
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 5:24 PM BST
There are a few grade 1 riders…..this one in question ain’t one of them……
Report hulk23 May 16, 2024 5:40 PM BST
Gosden is missing Frankie

never been Rabs biggest fan but the way he's riding this season Gosden is missing Havlin ...
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 5:45 PM BST
Marquand could step into the job……poor bunch compared to what it was..

1.01 for the P45…..
Report sparrow May 16, 2024 5:47 PM BST
Nobody blaming Gosden for the quick reappearance?
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 5:49 PM BST
Just remind everyone about your record and qualifications then Quixall V all jockeys and Mr Gosden IYO of course?
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 6:02 PM BST
Don’t be silly
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 6:02 PM BST
You bottled the Perth meeting
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 6:05 PM BST
Never bottled anything Quixall, I would have been at Perth, Newcastle or Munich if you or your fellow con men had concurred, still can be if you want to set it up? Free £10K for you if bringing Hibby?
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 6:05 PM BST
Never bottled anything Quixall, I would have been at Perth, Newcastle or Munich if you or your fellow con men had concurred, still can be if you want to set it up? Free £10K for you if bringing Hibby?
Report wondersobright May 16, 2024 6:19 PM BST

May 16, 2024 -- 5:47PM, sparrow wrote:


Nobody blaming Gosden for the quick reappearance?


exactly sparrow

Report judgepickles May 16, 2024 6:33 PM BST
Stable badly out of form, not the time to judge him,
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 6:39 PM BST
Judge this Quixall, a 7lb claimer on a horse 4lb well in, Mr Alex Chadwick for over a monkey next at Fontwell?

A real , provable bet only mentioned to highlight that neither you or your fellow Sociopaths ever provide proof of a pre race bet unless post race edited and obviously faked?


Hope it helps you tbh as you do need some!!!!
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 6:46 PM BST
You are welcome Quixall, as always!!!
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 6:49 PM BST
Copy and paste the bet,it’s easy…
Report hulk23 May 16, 2024 6:52 PM BST
Free £10K for you if bringing Hibby?

ShockedLaughLaugh
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 6:55 PM BST
Three bets actually Quixall £400 @ 7/5 PP returned  £960 and £90 @ 6/4 b365 + £14.01 @ 11/8 returned £33.28!!!

No copy and paste here, just photo of the bet on computer screen but not an issue if you are doing a "Rico", how much for SSAFA if I post them?
Report Early Morning Riser May 16, 2024 7:00 PM BST
£90 @ 6/4 b365 ???,wow.
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 7:03 PM BST
Returned £225 EMR, want a score to SSAFA on that?
Report Early Morning Riser May 16, 2024 7:08 PM BST
I was shocked that you could get £90 on with them.
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 7:12 PM BST
So was I tbh but there are ways and means, to get it in one bet was a surprise but that was all they would allow hence the other bet, have taken the photos for Quixall et al if they want a bet?
Report CagliariG May 16, 2024 8:56 PM BST
Not sure this is a freebie Quixall but my cousin in Philly said Paco should win on Ego Man to suit you!!
Report De_man May 16, 2024 9:54 PM BST
The Con well backed and Ego drfts like a barge and Con scoots up lol... Gosdens horses are bang outa form and as Wonder says later in season hit form..id need another 2 points on anything KS is riding all the same... woeful... Oisin should be up... JG is nutz..
Report De_man May 16, 2024 9:57 PM BST
Actually Billy the Kid is your boy tbf ...superstar
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 16, 2024 10:04 PM BST
Maybe JG left it to Thady to make a decision. A lesson learnt
Report formoftheace May 16, 2024 10:19 PM BST
Check the body language….
Report sageform May 17, 2024 7:19 AM BST
Not jockey bashing, trainer bashing as well. Racing is a team effort so you can't criticise the jockey in isolation. If horses misbehave on course, it is likely to be down to the home gallops.
Report formoftheace May 17, 2024 7:54 AM BST
Jockey and trainer bashing…..ffs

Gosden is grade one in the training ranks

Shoemark is not grade one in the jockey ranks……

Wait until I speak to my bin probably get more sense…..

I did say at the start of the season he wasn’t the proper person for the grade 1 yard…….ffs
Report sparrow May 17, 2024 8:06 AM BST
sageform 17 May 24 07:19 
Not jockey bashing, trainer bashing as well. Racing is a team effort so you can't criticise the jockey in isolation. If horses misbehave on course, it is likely to be down to the home gallops.






They don't like to blame trainers on here for anything it will always be the fault of jockeys or stall handlers. They prefer to doff their caps.
Report themightymac May 17, 2024 4:20 PM BST
Well done Kieran. Brilliant ride on Lead Artist.
Report FOYLESWAR May 17, 2024 4:20 PM BST
nuffin rong wi that ryde
Report penzance May 17, 2024 4:25 PM BST
Surprised he wasn't blamed for Gregory getting beat.
Report layemall May 17, 2024 4:27 PM BST
you gotta have faith a faith a faith Wink
Report formoftheace May 17, 2024 4:51 PM BST
Point and shoot wow! @rgasms all round ffs
Report formoftheace May 18, 2024 3:34 PM BST
Big day now…..let’s see what you do with her..
Report formoftheace May 18, 2024 3:40 PM BST
Deary me !
Report Storm Alert May 18, 2024 3:40 PM BST
Flat racing this time of the year always good for a laugh. Got to give Gosden his due, knows how to get one ready ExcitedLaugh
Report Big muff May 18, 2024 3:43 PM BST
Maybe just coincidence but does seem to have a knack of getting the Gosden fancies beaten
Report Big muff May 18, 2024 3:43 PM BST
Maybe just coincidence but does seem to have a knack of getting the Gosden fancies beaten
Report Big muff May 18, 2024 3:43 PM BST
Maybe just coincidence but does seem to have a knack of getting the Gosden fancies beaten
Report EastLower Gooner May 18, 2024 3:44 PM BST
Was expecting Goodwood Odyssey to be ridden cold as in all of his previous races but he rushed him right up behind a fierce gallop.
Report sageform May 18, 2024 3:44 PM BST
World Pool had it nearer the mark that UK punters. Both of the first 2 in the market were 7/2 on there. I sat on my hands so no damage. Can't explain the winner but second and third had fitness on their side.
Report N-east Correspondent May 18, 2024 3:45 PM BST
havent commented on this Shoemark thread as Gosdens horses not in great form overall

but he was all over the track on fav there, and too far back - you cant give Group horses
lengths of a start, mind you most of the other jockeys just as bad!
Report penzance May 18, 2024 3:49 PM BST
formoftheace's hemet,Red Raw.
Laugh
Report formoftheace May 18, 2024 3:50 PM BST
Very poor out the gate….
Report Cider May 18, 2024 3:51 PM BST
Audience was still on the snaff 3-4 lengths up when everything else was under the pump. How does that happen if they gave him too much of a head start?

Yes obviously horses can be allowed too easy a lead, but that ends up with lots of fast finishing closers. Only one of them got anywhere near, and the winner wasn't hard ridden at any point.
Report wondersobright May 18, 2024 3:51 PM BST

May 18, 2024 -- 3:50PM, formoftheace wrote:


Very poor out the gate….


never seen her run before imo

Report formoftheace May 18, 2024 3:58 PM BST
He is very poor at getting any out of the gate….
Report wondersobright May 18, 2024 4:01 PM BST
so lay all his rides
Report CagliariG May 18, 2024 6:05 PM BST
Quixall showing his ignorance yet again, when will he learn? ( FFS lol)!!

Had you bothered to listen to JG in the run up to the race you would have known the plan Quixall and if you had listened Post Race you would have been even wiser, ironic your "workrider in silks" won the race?
Report unitedbiscuits May 18, 2024 6:47 PM BST
Plenty of people thought the front two in the Lockinge betting were taking too much of the market and Inspiral ended a short priced favourite by default as confidence in the market rival collapsed.

From Gosden'e pre race remarks to Chapman (sic) "You don't want your runners in a little race of their own",  I gather Shoemark was under instructions to tack over to the main body while Authorised ploughed a lone furrow.

All in all, I pretty rubbish Gp1 though. Older milers are a weak division.
Report Cider May 18, 2024 6:59 PM BST
Audience is borderline uncontrollable and Inspiral tends to be sluggish out of the gate, so he would have been isolated anyway if keeping to the part of the track where he was drawn. It wasn't winning any group 1 race today anyway, whether it has peaked and had enough, or it was a stepping stone for Ascot remains to be seen.
Report unitedbiscuits May 18, 2024 7:06 PM BST
I agree with that /\
Report CagliariG May 18, 2024 7:08 PM BST
JG said before today that being drawn away from the pace was no good to Inspiral and indicated she might be switched across the track to where the pace was, today he said Audience would more or less do his own thing as he was not sure whether he would keep pace with Big Rock. Tbh anyone backing the front two Post interviews with either trainer needed to be locked up for their own safety!!!
Report unitedbiscuits May 18, 2024 7:19 PM BST
That too /\
Report hulk23 May 18, 2024 7:25 PM BST
Gosden was delighted with Inspirals run.  it was 4th beaten 13 lengths.  To be happy with that he must have known it was about 25% fit.  I'm not sure anyone backing it at 2/1 fav for the big race on a Saturday would be equally delighted with the run.
Report impossible123 May 18, 2024 7:31 PM BST
With the retirement of Ace Impact, the implosion of City Of Troy in the 2000G, the wishy-washy performances of the 3 yr olds colts and fillies, and the much of a muchness bunch of seniors including Auguste Rodin this season could be the season to forget even at this early stage.
Report unitedbiscuits May 18, 2024 7:32 PM BST
What would be the benefit of Gosden undermining his principal jockey in public?

Shoemark detractors, don't worry; if he is not up to the job, he will be informed.
Report impossible123 May 18, 2024 7:34 PM BST
^^
Dettori. Not only by trainer but the owner of Stradivarius as well.
Report unitedbiscuits May 18, 2024 7:39 PM BST
Different character. Some need a sergeant major, some need a kind word. Either way, time tells.
Report CagliariG May 18, 2024 7:43 PM BST
The Dettori Sabbatical tells you all you need to know Impossible, if JG thinks KS is not up to the job he will get rid asap!!!! Probably forgotten more about the game than some on here would learn in multiple lifetimes.
Report formoftheace May 18, 2024 7:45 PM BST
End of June…..P45….
Report CagliariG May 18, 2024 7:47 PM BST
Want an even monkey on that Quixall?
Report formoftheace May 18, 2024 7:52 PM BST
I’m changing tactics now switching to football…

Starting tomorrow…….so I won’t be taking up the challenge…..sorry….
Report unitedbiscuits May 18, 2024 7:52 PM BST
I think Ryan Moore is unavailable and Oisin Murphy head and shoulders above the rest.

There was a golden age of talented riders but the heyday was forty years ago and the decline has been steady since.
Report CagliariG May 18, 2024 7:56 PM BST
So you realise you are FOS and Noble Locks Quixall?

Taken a long time (decades) but how do you propose to profit from football when your record is worse than your racing?
Report acey deucy May 18, 2024 7:58 PM BST
He was saying what a brilliant Trainer was last Season.
Report acey deucy May 18, 2024 7:58 PM BST
Varian was.
Report acey deucy May 18, 2024 7:59 PM BST
Wrong thread.Grin
Report CagliariG May 18, 2024 8:05 PM BST
Shotts Bon Accord was Quixalls grandads AOAW acey, at Arbroath, claimed inside info on selections and state of the pitch!!!
Report WHOKNOWSTHEBOWLER May 18, 2024 10:58 PM BST
I'm surprised he isn't using Rossa Ryan , all class..along with Oisin
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 18, 2024 11:12 PM BST
Who has Haye picked to win?
Report smartpunter May 19, 2024 12:59 PM BST
in the "pecking" order list of  top  jockeys were  does shoemark  rate in the list.(foot note) Karl Burke's jockey  cliff LEE, riding well this season.
Report tanglefoot May 19, 2024 1:06 PM BST
Rides Isle Of Lismore for R. Cowell 6.15,horse has winning form let’s see if he can fook this one up.
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