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How racing trainer ‘ruined’ Cotswolds golf club – with crèche and a fire
Mutiny in the air among Cotswold community after Ben Pauling bought much loved Naunton Downs in cut-price purchase with holes halved and honours board burned
From left: Pauling and Redknapp
From left: Pauling and Redknapp
David Walsh
Saturday April 06 2024, 6.00pm BST, The Times
Alittle after midday on a midweek afternoon five men stand at the bar of The Black Horse in Naunton. They order drinks and sit at a wooden table. This isn’t their first time in The Black Horse. Their chat with the landlord is easy and familiar. Once their own conversation begins, it’s clear they have things to get off their chests.
Twelve miles east of Cheltenham, six miles west of Stow-on-the-Wold, Naunton sits by the River Windrush in the heart of the Cotswolds. Old stone houses, the lordly and ancient church of St Andrew’s, and fewer than 400 people. “Great place to live,” says a local man of the village, “pretty, but not chocolate-box pretty.”
At their table, the men try to keep their voices down. But around here, whispers travel far. “I didn’t believe a word he was saying,” says one of the men. “Not a word,” says the man nearest to him. “If you lose a local facility, the whole community suffers,” says a third.
“I thought he was very affable, I felt he came across well in the meeting. Believable, but I just didn’t believe him,” says another. The fifth then threw in his tuppence worth: “I emailed him six months ago to ask ‘What’s going on?’ I never got a response. You end up thinking it’s something fishy.”
I walk over to their table, tell them it was impossible not to overhear and ask if they would like to tell the full story?
Sale with strings attached
Five years ago Ian Wilson, the principal owner of Naunton Downs Golf Club, decided to sell up. He had developed the golf course in the early 1990s and got Peter Scudamore, then the champion jockey, to officially open it in the spring of 1993. The course sat on a tract of elevated ground south of the village in an area of outstanding natural beauty. People were excited.
Anyone wishing to join a golf club in the Cotswolds at this time went on a waiting list and without much enthusiasm for hanging around, Wilson decided to build his own. To help turn his land into a golf course, he invited local people to buy debentures in the planned new club. Costing £4,500 each, the debentures came with the right to play golf on the course for 50 years. One hundred debentures were offered. All were taken.
The entire venture was a success. As golf clubs so often are, Naunton Downs was loved by its members and attracted plenty of societies and visitors wishing to play the course. Stow Rugby Club, Gloucestershire Police, the Rotary and Cheltenham Town Football Club all had their golf days at Naunton. Few make fortunes running golf clubs but Naunton turned a profit most years and locals liked having a nice golf course on their doorstep.
After 25 years, Wilson and three minority owners put the club on the market. With an impressive clubhouse and circa 155 acres of good land, the golf club had much to recommend it. But for any prospective buyer, the existence of 100 debenture holders with the right to play the course until 2043 was a problem. For this meant a sizeable percentage of members would not be paying annual subscriptions. As well as that, the £460,000 loan from the debenture holders would become due in 2043.
Initially there were a number of potential buyers but towards the end of 2019, only the racehorse trainer Ben Pauling and his wife Sophie had come up with an acceptable offer. Pauling had been training from a leased yard at nearby Bourton-on-the-Water and his plan was to move his training centre from there to Naunton Downs Golf Club, where his operation would co-exist with the golf club.
Members believe Naunton Downs, with its impressive clubhouse, shown above, has suffered since Pauling took on the ownership
Members believe Naunton Downs, with its impressive clubhouse, shown above, has suffered since Pauling took on the ownership
There are different estimates of the price paid by the trainer but most suggest it was somewhere between £1.1 million and £1.3 million. If this seems extraordinary value for a nice golf course with an exceptional clubhouse in the Cotswolds, it is important to remember the strings attached. As well as the 100 debenture holders, there was also an outstanding £500,000 loan owing to Barclays Bank.
For Pauling, then an ambitious 36-year-old trainer, it was everything he wanted. Being able to train on land that he owned, to build his own gallops, to design his own barns, he could now have the career he’d sought. “If you are going to dream, dream big,” he said in an interview that appeared on the website ofThe Cotswolds Gentleman.
The sale was completed in the spring of 2020. Soon there was a meeting at the clubhouse at which the new owner spoke to members. What they recall him saying is that he was going to turn Naunton Downs into the best 18-hole golf course in Gloucestershire and that he believed his training of race horses could happily co-exist with the golf club.
At first, there was optimism among the golf members. More money was spent on the maintenance of the golf course. The greens were improved. More than £80,000 was spent on machinery, the greenkeeping team was increased to four and more than £100,000 was spent on brightening up the clubhouse.
Through the Covid years of 2020 and 2021, golf was less affected by the restrictions than other sports and enjoyed a surge in popularity. Initially, Naunton Downs increased its membership. Soon that would change.
Before moving his string from Bourton-on-the-Water, Pauling had to adapt the golf course and its surrounds to meet his needs as a racehorse trainer. He built two barns in that corner of the course where the 15th and 16th had been while keeping the members happy by building two new holes and maintaining the integrity of an 18-hole course.
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The trainer also needed a new all-weather gallop that ran through the middle of the golf course but without needing any significant alteration to it. Some members didn’t care for having racehorses exercise on their golf course, others liked it. Most just got on with it. As for the loss of the 15th and 16th, both par fours, and the creation of two new par threes, the majority view was that the 15th and 16th tended to get soggy in winter, so this wasn’t the end of the world. But things changed.
At the end of the 2021-22 golf year at Naunton Downs, the golf club lost 164 members while adding only 38. That meant a loss of almost £80,000 in revenue for the following year. Pauling and his wife, Sophie, believed the way forward was to give Naunton Downs a more exclusive feel. There was a piece in Tatler magazine that ran under the headline: “Inside Naunton Downs: racing’s answer to Soho House.”
The Paulings partnered with Fitzdares, a posh London-based club that introduces itself thus: “The worlds of luxury and sport rarely intertwine, a tragedy we must rewrite.” The restaurant in the clubhouse became The Fitzdares Room.Tatler spoke to Will Woodhams, the Fitzdares chief executive officer, about the company’s second home in the country. “It’s incredible that we’ve found a new home in the most beautiful part of the Cotswolds. A morning on the gallops, breakfast, a quick round of golf, a long lunch and an afternoon of sport on the box — it’s a little slice of Mayfair in the most bucolic location, truly a sports nut’s dream,” he said.
This wasn’t exactly how members of Naunton Downs saw it. From where they stood, this was the beginning of a nightmare. As the clubhouse was upgraded, golf was downgraded. Honours boards that had hung on the wall for three decades were removed, the same happened to photos of past captains, and all trophies were removed from the trophy cabinet.
Naunton Downs Golf Club has lost members and revenue since Pauling took it over despite original pledges to turn it into Gloucestershire’s finest golf course
Naunton Downs Golf Club has lost members and revenue since Pauling took it over despite original pledges to turn it into Gloucestershire’s finest golf course
ALAMY
Though the bar and the Fitzdares Room were bright and smartly decorated, there was nothing in either room that spoke of golf. Some early enthusiasm for the fine dining offered in the Fitzdares Room soon waned and it never held much attraction for the golfers looking for nothing more than a club sandwich after playing their round. An upmarket shop selling ladies’ dresses and assorted luxury items opened at the clubhouse. Members could see it was there but no one recalls seeing anyone shop there.
Stranger things happened. The ladies’ changing room was turned into a crèche and the men’s changing room divided in two; three quarters for the men, one quarter for the women. The ladies called it “the cubby hole”. They hated it. The crèche and luxury shop would soon close. Then in November 2022, club pro Nick Ellis left. He’d worked at the club from the day it opened and was loved by the members.
Before he left, the members had a going-away competition in honour of their pro. On the 4th hole that day, he made a hole in one. Cost him £250 in the bar. They laughed that evening but that wasn’t really how they felt. Things must be bad, members said, if Nick is walking away.
At some point a video of the club’s honours boards being burned appeared online. It passed from one member to another until everyone had seen it. Why, they wondered, would anyone do that? And then, on December 30, 2022, there was a notice from the owners to the members explaining that from October 1, 2023 the club would be reduced from an 18-hole to a nine-hole course.
There had been no prior consultation with the members, no meetings with the debenture holders to ask if they felt their £4,500 contributions to the development of the golf course entitled them to play an 18-hole golf course. For most of them, that is what they believed. Pauling would say that the club was no longer financially viable as an 18-hole golf course and the members would say it was viable for the 27 years before he bought it.
At first the debenture holders weren’t sure there was much they could do. Many are elderly and the thought of legally challenging something they believed was unjust didn’t appeal to them. Too expensive and too drawn out. But they talked at the golf club, down in The Black Horse and wherever they met. The more they discussed the situation, the more they felt wronged.
Last year they formed an action group. They needed to create a kitty to fund a legal action against the Paulings. Most agreed to contribute what they could. First offering, they raised £150,000. Last October, they issued legal proceedings against the Paulings to assert the rights of debenture holders to play on all of the land at Naunton Downs Golf Club.
The action progresses slowly. Right now, both parties have been asked by the court to engage in resolution talks. Pauling is adamant that the future for Naunton Downs is as a nine-hole course, the debenture holders and members say it has to be returned to 18 holes. No one sees a simple way out of this.
‘No one wants nine holes’
On March 20 and 21, a series of meetings took place at the clubhouse. Pauling was flanked by executives from the Wigley Group, a property development company with whom he has set up a joint venture. James Davies, the chief executive officer, was there, so too James Ellerington, the chief operating officer, and Claire Lynch, the chief governance officer.
They met small groups of Naunton Downs debenture holders, members and former members. There were many apologies from Pauling and the Wigley people about the lack of communication, the burning of the honours boards and the changes to the ladies’ changing room but no agreement that the golf needed to be on an 18-hole course. On the question of the rights of the debenture holders, Pauling and the Wrigley Group contended that this was now a legal matter and couldn’t be discussed.
The men sitting in The Black Horse have come from their meeting and are now unloading. I speak to them in turn. Harry Acland is a local farmer. There are four debentures in his family; he was at the meeting to represent his 86-year-old mother who is a debenture holder and, through racing, considers Pauling a friend.
“I told Ben you took over an 18-hole golf course and said you would develop it into one of the best courses in Gloucester and that we are not backing down on this,” he says. “We know an 18-hole course works, financially it works. It was all very cordial. This is not about money, this is about having a community asset. We will fight it. He is not a bad guy, we want to work with him, we’re not saying ‘bugger off’. We supported his plans for the barns, for the gallop, but he’s got to make his operation co-exist with an 18-hole golf course.”
Mike Parry is an octogenarian. More a landowner than a farmer, he says, he has lived in the Cotswolds for 35 years. His land borders about 70 per cent of the golf course. He admits to no admiration for Pauling, telling a story about a small parcel of land (approximately two acres) he sold to his neighbour.
“I never wanted to sell, but he kept upping his offer to the point where it was absurd and my adviser was telling me to sell,” he says. “Ben Pauling told me he wanted those two acres as a collection area for his horses. I felt sorry for him in the end and sold. I later saw plans for where he’s going to build his private residence and then understood why he wanted that land.”
Stephen Bajdala-Brown joined Naunton Downs Golf Club six months after it opened, paying £4,500 for his debenture in 1993. “I am a big believer in community, I am a believer in giving to the community rather than taking from it. From the moment the club changed ownership in 2020, I could tell this giving to the community was not going to happen. So I found another club, joined Cotswold Hills. I do feel I have been proven right, but I’m very sad about that. Going from 18 to nine holes ruined the golf club. Everyone who is a half-decent player will leave and join another club.”
Redknapp, right, and jockey Ben Jones celebrate Cheltenham success last month for Shakem Up’Arry, the horse trained by Pauling
Redknapp, right, and jockey Ben Jones celebrate Cheltenham success last month for Shakem Up’Arry, the horse trained by Pauling
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Though he played a lot of golf with Bajdala-Brown and understood his reasons for leaving, Leigh Yates couldn’t bring himself to do the same. He’s stuck it out. “When I played football and cricket, it was the team thing. It wasn’t just about the game, it was being with people you liked, people who made you laugh. I never thought I would get that on a golf course, but I got it at Naunton Downs.
“It was a new course, everyone was coming in at the same time, we all gelled together, and we created friendships that lasted for 30 years. Those friends are now dispersed all over the county in other golf clubs. It’s just so disappointing.” Saying this, Yates becomes emotional.
Nic Hayward remembers persuading his wife that the £4,500 debenture was a good investment. She knew that, really, he just wanted to play golf. He felt then and still feels that what he bought at that time entitled him to membership of an 18-hole golf course for 50 years.
“They know they bought the golf club at a discounted price because there were 100 debenture holders who had rights,” he says. “They seem to have ignored all of that and carried on as if the land was freehold and they can do what they want with it.” Hayward’s sons, Gus and Archie, joined the club last year. He’s not sure they’ll commit to a second year. “No one wants a nine-hole course.”
The fight goes on
After the men leave The Black Horse, another introduces himself. He then says he would prefer if his name wasn’t mentioned. His is the air of an elder, a man who lives and breathes the village, who has been an off-and-on member of the golf club and through his love of National Hunt racing has gotten to know Pauling. He considers Ben a friend. Only a week before he’d enjoyed a celebratory drink at the Farmer’s Arms in Guiting Power with the trainer after Shakem Up’Arry, the horse Pauling trains for Harry Redknapp, had won at the Cheltenham Festival.
“I said to Ben, ‘This business at the golf club is not going to end well for you. You think you’ve got a problem with the action group, well you’re going to have a bigger problem with the village people.’” This man then lowers his voice a little and says there are lot of very bright people in the village, including a high-powered lawyer, and they are aligned with the golf club members.
Carl Llewellyn is a former jump jockey. Twenty-six years ago, he won the Grand National for a second time, riding Earth Summit to victory. That horse was trained here in Naunton by Llewellyn’s friend Nigel Twiston-Davies. Llewellyn once thought of Pauling as a mate but he’s not sure now. Llewellyn, you see, is a debenture holder at Naunton Downs.
“I can totally understand Ben wanting his own place,” he says. “It’s what every young trainer would want and he’s having a great season. What I don’t understand is why he didn’t buy land that was unencumbered, land that he could develop in in any way he liked. But that’s not what he bought.”
I speak to a former lady captain at Naunton Downs. She says that on September 27 last year, five days before the club was reduced to nine holes, the Naunton Down ladies section had their last competition on the course. “We had seen what had happened to our changing room,” she says. “All the honours boards removed and still on that Wednesday, many of us were sobbing as we walked down the 18th fairway for the last time.
“So many good times but when the course went to nine holes, there was a mass exodus. Over 30 of us left, some to Lilley Brook, others to Cirencester, Cotswold Hills, Broadway, Feldon Valley, Brickhampton Court. I never felt the owners understood or even liked golf.”
Neither Pauling nor Robert Wigley nor Wigley Group CEO James Davies responded to emails seeking their side of this story.
According to those working for the restoration of an 18-hole golf course at Naunton Downs, the fight goes on. Debenture holder Bajdala-Brown jumped ship five years ago and hasn’t played the course since. When he heard about the legal fund, he wanted to contribute. “I exceeded what I intended to put in,” he said. “I believe in fighting wrongs.
“We knew Ben was going to do things that would impact on the golf course, it was how far those things went. If you come and give my wife a peck on the cheek, that’s fine. If you kiss her on the lips, I start to worry. If you do other things, we have a problem. And that’s what happened at the golf club. We have a problem.”
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Report saxon farm April 7, 2024 9:03 PM BST
What a really sad story.
Report Cider April 7, 2024 9:27 PM BST
“All the honours boards removed and still on that Wednesday, many of us were sobbing as we walked down the 18th fairway for the last time".

ffs Laugh
Report Cider April 7, 2024 9:36 PM BST
I'd be surprised if 10% of the debenture owners are still regularly playing the course. Despite the rather flowery wet language of the piece, this seems to boil down to money (like most things). It comes down to the specific conditions of the debentures (the omission of which are quite convenient). I'm imagining a loophole allows (in theory) the playing course being reduced and technically staying within the conditions. Pretty cynical on the new owners' part.
Report LoyalHoncho April 7, 2024 10:19 PM BST
Llwellyn's question was the first thing I asked myself at the start.  Very odd.
Report duffy April 7, 2024 10:42 PM BST
He got it on the cheap because of the debentures and gambled that over time he could gradually, through little changes here and there pi55 them off to the point where they would just fade away without much fuss. What he hadn't calculated for, as well as the resilience of the members is the court of public opinion once the story got out, now he's the big bad wolf
Report scoobytoo April 11, 2024 1:26 PM BST
Owners Andrew and Jane Megson have removed their horses from trainer Ben Pauling having decided that “a change is best” after undertaking a review of their ownership levels.

Andrew Megson insisted the split was “amicable” with five horses moved to Jonjo O’Neill, five to Fergal O’Brien and one, Tellherthename, switched to Ed Dunlop for a tilt on the Flat. Megson added that eight younger horses were set to sell at the Goffs UK Spring Sale at the end of May.

Pauling said the decision had “come as a huge shock” and stated his appreciation for the support the owners have offered him, as well as his ambition to recover quickly from the setback

Megson said on Thursday: “We have reviewed where we are with the level of horses we have and decided that a change was best. We’ve been with Ben for eight years and we like to think that we have been loyal as owners.

“I’ve spoken with Ben and explained that it’s amicable – we don’t have anything against him – but we wanted a fresh start.

"We’ve sent some to Jonjo, who we know from before, some to Fergal and eight will go to the sales. Tellherthename we are going to try on the Flat as we think he’s a bit of a rocket ship and likes decent ground. Hopefully he can then go chasing next season.”

Over the weekend, an article in the Sunday Times by David Walsh highlighted a dispute between Pauling and the owners of debentures at Naunton Downs golf course, which the trainer purchased in 2020 and built his new yard and training facilities around.

Asked if moving the horses was related to the article, Megson said: “It’s not at all to do with that. We didn’t know anything about the article and we appreciate it’s not the easiest time for Ben at the moment.”

Harper's Brook: kicked off a double for trainer Ben Pauling
Harper's Brook (left): a winner this season for the Megson family and Ben Pauling
Credit: Mark Cranham
The Megsons and Pauling enjoyed a number of successes together during their association, most notably Global Citizen’s victory in the 2022 Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Chase at the Cheltenham Festival.

This season, 18 horses have been sent out for the owners by Pauling, with Harper’s Brook, Gentleman Valley, Jipcot, Wreckless Eric, Sixmilebridge, Monty Bodkin and Tellherthename successful.

Pauling said: “I think it’s fair to say it’s come as a huge shock to me, [my wife] Soph and the team at home. We had seven brilliant seasons with the Megsons as owners and they have been huge supporters of ours, and I would like to thank them for that support.

“We are very sad to have lost some very smart young horses. They will have had their reasons and even if we don’t understand them, it’s their decision and we will take this and move forward and be stronger because of it. We see it as a challenge and we are coming off the back of our best season ever, so if we are going to be faced with this sort of challenge, now is the right time. It makes you proud of your team with the way they have taken the news in the last 24 hours.

"We wish them good luck with their horses and can enjoy watching them while we rebuild as quickly as we can. I’d like to thank all our brilliant owners for their continued support and look forward to the exciting times ahead.
Report Daryl Revok April 11, 2024 1:45 PM BST
His new facility will be ready just in time for UK NH racing to totally implode
Report duffy April 11, 2024 2:03 PM BST
Not to worry though, his place looks the ideal spot to build a golf course on.
Report scrabbler April 11, 2024 2:19 PM BST
I see that the Megsons have removed a number of horses from the yard.
Report scoobytoo April 11, 2024 2:23 PM BST
If I put my diplomatic hat on I would have said when Flash in the Park came and (performed) at the track after its 350k sale it was the beginning of the end. You dont get many go's at 350 a pop and expect there to be no change-irrespective of Ben's best ever season.
Report GLASGOWCALLING April 11, 2024 2:36 PM BST
I see that the Megsons have removed a number of horses from the yard.


Wakey Wakey, half the thread is devoted to that Scrabbler.!
Report doorman99 April 11, 2024 3:12 PM BST
Scooby, as there was a long thread on here laughing about that one you are probably right. Never mind, Jonjo will make an even worse job for them!
Report differentdrum April 11, 2024 5:48 PM BST
Owner must have a screw loose if he thinks sending horses to O'Neill is the answer. Asked this before - what is it that attracts owners to O'Neill? It's not results and it's not the jock. What does he offer?
Report Theoneandonly April 11, 2024 5:52 PM BST
scoobytoo • April 11, 2024 2:23 PM BST
If I put my diplomatic hat on I would have said when Flash in the Park came and (performed) at the track after its 350k sale it was the beginning of the end. You dont get many go's at 350 a pop and expect there to be no change-irrespective of Ben's best ever season.

Redknapp certainly seems to have got very lucky with the horses Pauling got him, wonder how much they cost?
Report N-east Correspondent April 11, 2024 5:56 PM BST
Nice winner today in last, few good chances tomorrow including Harry's one

yeh the decision to go to JJ is surprising to say the least...
Report Hayden April 11, 2024 5:58 PM BST
Owner must have a screw loose if he thinks sending horses to O'Neill is the answer. Asked this before - what is it that attracts owners to O'Neill? It's not results and it's not the jock. What does he offer?

A timely winner at the right time.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! April 11, 2024 6:07 PM BST
Does a nice breakfast
Apparently
Laugh
Report themightymac April 11, 2024 6:09 PM BST
I started reading that but began to lose the will to live after the second sentence.

....... Something about a pub and a golf club.
Report themightymac April 11, 2024 6:10 PM BST
Would have read the lot but I don`t want to miss the end of the Masters. Crazy
Report GEORGE.B April 11, 2024 6:10 PM BST
"some to Fergal"

Getting done for "schooling in public" evidently no bad thing for your business.

Fall in sh*t one day, come out smelling of roses the next.
Report in hell April 11, 2024 6:21 PM BST
Won't be many good days with Jonjo training them, couldn't get a runner bean up a stick
Report LoyalHoncho April 11, 2024 6:22 PM BST
mac   Laugh
Report Cider April 11, 2024 6:24 PM BST
Yep GB, certainly not about integrity!
Report impossible123 April 11, 2024 6:29 PM BST
Has this anything to do with horses taken away by the Megsons?
Report Cider April 11, 2024 6:30 PM BST
The whole thing is a nonsense, desperately trying to extract overt sentimentality over something which essentially a cynical ploy. It's a sign of the times isn't it that people seem to enjoy cultivating a cartoon villain, and then the online mob join in the witch hunt.
Report Hayden April 11, 2024 6:44 PM BST
Mac , same here we must have a similar attention span   Laugh
Report salmon spray April 11, 2024 6:51 PM BST
The man sounds like a cad and a bounder ! I hope he never has another winner         Mischief
Report lead on April 11, 2024 8:45 PM BST
never trust someone who can't look you straight in the eye..
Report mrcombustible April 11, 2024 10:18 PM BST
Good 8 minute interview with Ben and Lydia on Racing TV on demand
Report Sir Epicure Mammon April 11, 2024 10:24 PM BST
Hopefully more owners remove their horses and the turd's business goes bump. What an unspeakably odious man Pauling would appear to be .
Report mrcombustible April 11, 2024 10:28 PM BST
The Megsons had horses with Harry Dunlop. Obviously more money than sense,


https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/pauling-has-a-pott-shot-at-the-classics/
Report mitolo April 11, 2024 11:02 PM BST
golf is not a sport and it despoils the environment. its a norrible business, with its petty rules absurd clobber and master-and-servant relationship between caddy and the twerp that walks around pretending to be a sportsperson. its bollox

the less of it the better, even though apauling doesnt come out of this well. but we dont know de troof so who nose, especially given walshs sensationalist tone on everything nowadays-the cycling thing has burnished his ego and all his articles have to be very serious and concerning as he has a reputation

hes really an average hack who got one big story and certainly doesnt understand racing (see also kimmage)
Report Flemenstar April 11, 2024 11:16 PM BST
he clearly has one eye on developing the land for something else
Report LoyalHoncho April 12, 2024 3:16 AM BST
They must have mrc to be sending any to Johnjo.
Report Theoneandonly April 12, 2024 8:53 AM BST
Cider • April 11, 2024 6:30 PM BST
The whole thing is a nonsense, desperately trying to extract overt sentimentality over something which essentially a cynical ploy. It's a sign of the times isn't it that people seem to enjoy cultivating a cartoon villain, and then the online mob join in the witch hunt.

Not sure Cider, although agree the article is an emotive bit of journalism, though think this is what happens when you listen to a load of 'professionals and advisors' probably telling him about an opportunity to get something cheap and then do what he wants, as the deeds didn't stipulate what level of golf facilities were required. As Carl Llewellyn and Duffy said earlier in the thread... if you have got big plans to change something don't try and buy something on the cheap and run all over the people and circumstances that you got it cheap for.

Personally if I had took the risk and shoved some money up front to get a golf course up and running as the founding members, and was promised golf for 50 years, then someone comes along and buys it promising even better facilities, then appears to renege on that promise and appear to be running the golf side down, I'd be a bit annoyed too.

I would hazard a guess it will cost him more in the long run than just going and buying a decent bit of freehold. No doubt he will be employing a few more 'professionals and advisors' to sort this mess out along with a few of their lawyer friends, who at the end of all this stuff always come out on top.
Report CagliariG April 12, 2024 9:06 AM BST
Strange anti Jonjo comments given his strike rate over the last 5 seasons is similar to Pailing's, Russel and NTD to name but 3 peers who do not get the same flak?
Report Cider April 12, 2024 11:38 AM BST
I agree it was cynical, but the story leads me to think he try and make a go of it originally as a combined endeavour, but started to haemorrhage cash and they took a different strategy.

What I object to is the narrative to paint it some kind of disney story, good vs evil and there is this local bunch of people emotionally wedded to their local golf course! It's about cash and if they were all offered £25K for their debentures then we wouldn't probably even hear about it. I don't blame them for trying to extract as much cash as they can, either.
Report lead on April 14, 2024 5:45 PM BST
ttt. to complement other thread
Report duffy April 14, 2024 6:04 PM BST
Bottom line is that he didn't do his homework, there should have been an exhaustive examination on the debentures and what there resistance would be if things went wrong, you know, planning for worst case scenarios!! Other parties before him had probably done just that and not liked the results and thought better of it, hence the price he got it for.

Starting out with the best of intentions and only turning into an ar5ehole when it went wrong doesn't excuse him.

The "poor me" interview with Hislop was vomit inducing.
Report impossible123 April 14, 2024 6:17 PM BST
Has this anything to do with the Megsons doing a Gigginstown? It must be a public dressing-down for a few to end up at the O'Neill yard.
Report ribero1 April 14, 2024 9:03 PM BST
Megsons had horses with O'Neill previously,Global Citizen being one.
Report mrcombustible April 14, 2024 9:09 PM BST
I see his company is My Pension Expert based in Yorkshire.

I hope John Dance hasn't applied for a job with him
Report impossible123 April 14, 2024 9:18 PM BST
I think John Dance is persona non grata even in the presence of his once admiral a Mr Chamberlin of ITV Racing.
Report Numismatist April 14, 2024 9:22 PM BST
Told at Cheltenham this was coming: Mr. Lover Man - Shabba
Report dambuster April 15, 2024 5:54 PM BST
Why did he set fire to the Members board.?
Who would do that ?
Report Somerset Sam April 15, 2024 6:14 PM BST

Apr 15, 2024 -- 5:54PM, dambuster wrote:


Why did he set fire to the Members board.? Who would do that ?


Its a terrible look isn't it?

I had to laugh at a promotional email I got this morning for a new syndicate fronted by Jeremy Clarkson, a turn off of ever there was one until I found out it was going to be trained by Ben "9 holes" Pauling!

Email blocked, unsubscribed and deleted forever. He's some boy!

Report mitolo April 15, 2024 6:30 PM BST
sounds odd indeed but i suspect it wasnt apauling himself more likely the builders doing the work stripped the gaff but who knows
Report dambuster April 15, 2024 6:55 PM BST
I think BP has been poorly advised. i fear for his future, its a very close community in the Cotswolds, its like Newmarket,
you don't want to throw your weight around and upset the wrong people
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