Post Office Scandal ITV 9pm tonight

correct me if i am wrong but before the shyte hit the fan wsnt it the post office or there own people who decide how much compo to be awarded ?

Ms Vennells did the correct and moralistic thing by returning the CBE. Who'd recommended her for the CBE in the 1st place? Was the promise of a CBE the carrot for Ms Vennells to keep quiet, and play ball?

Now, Mr Davey ought to be next to face the public wrath. He needs to consider his knighthood for being "I do not believe you, deal with the Post Office yourself. It's not my problem".

Adam Crozier was CEO of Royal Mail, not the Post Office. It's 2 different companies

To think that if she'd won the Big Bishop job she'd have been in the House Of Lords.

Ed Davey got his knighthood for lining the pockets of green energy companies (e.g.DRAX) via subsidies.

These poor people are fully entitled to compo and will, no doubt, get a scrawny amount once it is all settled and the skinny armed response bint from Birmingham trousers £820K, partially for not being "fitted up".
This world becomes more lunatic and poisoned every day.

Forgive the cliche but if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck it is probably a duck.
She looks dim and naive in the extreme so how come nobody else spotted it during her meteoric rise to the top of the tree?
She came across so incapable at the S.C. meeting you wouldn;t leave her in charge of a kiddies birthday party.

Tiger, the Post office was still part of Royal Mail when Crozier was in charge.

if you look at mizz vennels very closely and think 5 yurs ahead she looks an absolute ringer for dildo harding

It had to come.  The "racist" card had to be played.
It makes you weep.
The white hon keys should be behind us in the queue for sympathy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67929650
When will the rainbow be paraded for them to get their chunk of the pie?

Why is the Post Office allowed to prosecute people? Surely that should be the job of the Police and

the CPS! How can a corporation (even a Crown corporation) be given that kind of power? In this

instance it was in their interest to prosecute to shut people up!

Govt still saying comensation/exoneration will be completed by the END OF THE
YEAR !!!
This is utterly unacceptable.

Nothing mentioned about the fate of those who knowingly and deliberately allowed this miscarriage of justice to happen foe some many year. I honestly think these individuals ought to be brought to court and shame. All of them could not be not responsible for this criminal and life destroying act.

Exactly roggrain it's unbelievable. There are other Crown associates which are the biggest private prosecutors and there has been numerous calls for them to lose the right due to dubious / discriminatory prosecutions.

Just put on politics thread. News breaking that Starmer was head of CPS when they prosecuted some sub post masters. Also lib dem leader wrote a letter declining a meeting to sort it out as said nothing would come of it.

Could it just be a coincidence this 20 year story is gaining traction now when both the Labour and lib dem leaders could be heavily implicated?

The calamitous Ms Dido Harding is still getting well-paid positions in companies and quangos; her latest being the senior steward at the Jockey Club despite a long history of corporate failures eg Talk-Talk, NHS Test and Trace, etc.

Jan 10, 2024 -- 1:25PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:

It had to come.

LoyalHoncho • January 10, 2024 1:25 PM GMT
It had to come.  The "racist" card had to be played.
It makes you weep.
The white hon keys should be behind us in the queue for sympathy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67929650
When will the rainbow be paraded for them to get their chunk of the pie?



Yes it is a risible effort.
I'd say it's probably down to the BBC pushing that angle rather than the postmasters themselves.
They're totally obsessed with DEI these days.

A few wrong-uns who were ripping off the post office gonna make a killing!

I'd say it's probably down to the BBC pushing that angle rather than the postmasters themselves.

nonsense.  newsnight have got a random cross-section of postmasters on to discuss the issue.

there's a coloured chap, an indian lady, a coloured lady, an asian bloke ....

Just heard some details on Newsnight from government minister, apologies if already posted but couldn't see it

Every one of 900 odd convicted of fraud, to get it overturned and offered 600k fixed amount...payable within weeks(!) .. Can hold out for more if want to

And, the weird bit, all got to sign a declaration of innocence ie to say that they truly did not steal any Post Office money... As if anyone is not going to sign it to get their compensation

taxpayers footing the compensation bill ??

i presume this is after they've repossessed Vennells's assets, sold them off and stuck the proceeds into the compo kitty.

Yep just like HS2, not one penny of private invested, all taxpayers.

And the gov. can;t exactly go for Fujitsu big time because they almost have a monopoly on the P.O. A.I.

listening to the scouse chancer investigating officer bradshaw fella in the  inquiry  this morning ,he sounds like a bloke from the dog and duck sunday morning over 35,s 11,asked to lead man city,s attack on saturday

Watched the evidence in full on Sky this morning , " Get out of bed earlier then " was a classic   

Bradshaw comes across like some eye witness dragged in off the street that's deaf , dumb and blind   

think DUMB would suffice
imagine been called a lair sent to jail on the evidence of a lying,thicko,chancer scouser, i,d be outside the inquiry now cocking the pearly ,waiting for him to come out

What Is the Peter Principle? The Peter Principle is an observation that the tendency in most organizational hierarchies, such as that of a corporation, is for every employee to rise in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence.

Horribly, horribly out of his depth but in all fairness to him (Steve Bradshaw), we've not heard from anybody yet at the Post Office, that sounds competent or credible.

no problems with THE HORIZON system, as an experienced investigator i,d rather believe 700 sub postmasters went rouge at the same time and went on a thieving spree, GOT YOU

hulk23 • January 10, 2024 10:48 PM GMT
I'd say it's probably down to the BBC pushing that angle rather than the postmasters themselves.

nonsense.  newsnight have got a random cross-section of postmasters on to discuss the issue.

there's a coloured chap, an indian lady, a coloured lady, an asian bloke ....
..........................

Yes hulk,
that kinda proves my point don't you think.
Newsnight is on BBC last time I checked.

ms mone and the other ppi merchants pleased this has come up and took the spotlight off of them.

impossible to believe that at some point during the investigation someone didn't turn round and say "maybe it's the system"

any Z list wannabee tv dectective can/would assume, that because all the money repaid by subbies themselves didnt go in to balancing the PO,s books but went into a newly created seperate PO account[ slush fund] to be used at a later date  [when they obviously thought it was safe to do so] against the po,s profit and losses,shows from the 1st repayment the PO new it was the new system at fault and not the subbie,s, as otherwise they,d have used these monies straight away to balance their own books and not hide it away and wait

What's also been overlooked is that all postmasters have probably had monies nicked off them but not enough to show a loss which they were forced to repay.

Wow just seen a bit of the Bradshaw clips on BBC... he literally said his witness statement was not his own words and written by someone else.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67941754

Surely that is a crime in itself? Contempt of court? As when you present a witness statement you have to say that is what you believe to be true?

His statements about when he was the Disclosure Officer are priceless -

Yes I was the Disclosure Officer and yes, I signed to say I was the Disclosure Officer. The stuff that wasn't disclosed? - Oh I assumed somebody else would have disclosed it.

And, the weird bit, all got to sign a declaration of innocence ie to say that they truly did not steal any Post Office money... As if anyone is not going to sign it to get their compensation


Only guessing Reg but maybe if things come to light later about certain indiduals being " on the take " as I guess some were its a form of evidence.?

Listening to that Bradshaw character on 5live, What a liability, must have been a few higher up the chain thinking WTF ..

Jan 11, 2024 -- 2:26PM, GLASGOWCALLING wrote:

Listening to that Bradshaw character on 5live, What a liability, must have been a few higher up the chain thinking WTF ..

he is grotesquely over=promoted and seems thick as s hit

Couldnt agree more MM, for someone who is supposed to think methodically he got tied up in knots.

you just no bradshow had a good fooking  drink to celebrate every conviction even knowing they were innocent, like a works storemen protecting the companies stock as though it was their own

Past achievements i'd guess would be identifying cash discrepancies under a tenner , now entered a new world and totally exposed.

Now i know what a rabbit dodging headlights actually looks like.

GG, you 1409 post is spot on
But if you refused to sign it, surely they'd think we better have a closer look at this person?

So, if you have actually done it, but you're now being offered for the guilty verdict to be quashed and get 600k on top... With a very small chance of them ever re-finding you guilty, by which time the money is long gone....

Not a difficult decision, imo

heads in hands in fujitsu and PO,s boardrooms across the world,think HOW/WHO THE FOOK EVER EMPLOYED THIS BRADSHAW FELLA
long odds against him ever finding a PEBBLE ON A BEACH

Only watched two episodes , if you didn't know it was true it would be too far fetched to be believable.

put a speed camera up, catches nobody for 18 months then one day records 500 motorists speeding, none of whom have previously had any points on their licence. 

do you

a) assume the machine has gone nuts or

b) assume everyone just decided to start speeding past it on the same fkng day

at what point does common fkng sense kick in ??? 

we've got one, good.  three, excellent.  17, hmmm.  126, can we get someone out to check the camera.

500 .... switch it off, it's fkd.

Hulk 

Those feeding from the Post office's trough dared not rock the applecart for fear of being professionally ostracised or they were complete morons. But, the latter could not be possible as they were highly paid, highly qualified, powerful and experienced; David vs Goliath.

The desire for money is the root of all evils. The self-interests by the Post Office's management team precede others. I thought the scandal at Enron was diabolical, the Post Office's many multiples of Enron.

Oh they knew the system was to blame,Hulk. That's why they prosecuted everyone to try and shut

them up!

Wouldn't you just love having had this guy Alan Bates on your side in the trenches.  Cool, unflappable, durable, absolutely determined and ready to stick it where it hurts.
What a man.

A wee bit short for the trenches tbf honcho?

You want wee guys in trenches.

it takes a tv series to bring these shysters to account ,how bout making more , a few suggestions ..the mps expenses  and ppi profiteers for a start !

Aye, less digging.

Userroggrain • January 11, 2024 5:36 PM GMT
Oh they knew the system was to blame,Hulk. That's why they prosecuted everyone to try and shut

them up!

100% roggrain in fact in evidence today with Stephen Bradshaw some subpostmasters were offered reduced charges if they accepted there was no problem with Horizon!

FOYLESWAR • January 11, 2024 5:57 PM GMT
it takes a tv series to bring these shysters to account ,how bout making more , a few suggestions ..the mps expenses  and ppi profiteers for a start !

Yes, there are plenty of scandals out there which only a few people know about which need the TV treatment.

this bradshaw chap getting a desrved grilling and those higher up than him will be happy to let him take the can , lets hope those at the very top get to face the music as well.

Will Ms Paula Vennells be called to give evidence to the Post Office inquiry? I hope so, and the entire Board of Directors to establish how much and what they knew the Horizon Software was not fit-for-purpose.

Another question would be was Gillian Keegan completely oblivious.

25 years this been going on fook all done about it , then its put on tv and the whole country sees it and realise this is what goes on and these khoonts at the top are screwing the ordinary man /woman right over on a daily basis , then as if by magic the government cant wait to stick their oar in and set the wheels in motion and come to the rescue of the postmasters and this is done within a week of the programme being aired !

do a documentary about this place in 25 years ..

people be like fk me, will Peter J be called to give evidence to the Betfair inquiry? I hope so, and the entire Board of Directors to establish how much and what they knew the whole place was completely fkng rancid.

The Post Office investigator looks and sounds like a thug from the East End. He was accused of bullying and intimidating behaviour by two sub-postmistresses yet he denied both.

No wonder with investigators like him this scandal has gone on so long. The injustice was too far gone to be turnaround at the Post office end; Post Office buried their head in the sand until ITV came along.

How stupid is that?

East Ender? Sounded like a rough arse scouser to me.

He's definitely a scouser. But, he behaves like an East End thug from a gangster film.

The Post Office tried to change the storyline of Mr Bates vs The Post Office, the man behind the hit ITV drama, right, has told The Londoner. Producer Patrick Spence said that when he approached Post Office execs with the dramatisation they offered to cooperate in exchange for script amendments. “What they offered to do was to change our story to suit their purposes,” Spence told us. “They were obviously keen to change the narrative, but we had our facts and they couldn’t stop us.”

The script relies heavily on public documents and emails written by Post Office employees, including the CEO at the time of the Horizon scandal, Paula Vennells, pictured. Spence said the Post Office was “so litigious and ghastly that we couldn’t take the risk of inventing anything for fear that they would stop it from being transmitted”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/post-office-tried-to-change-tv-drama-says-mr-bates-producer/ar-AA1mO430?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=0aad5a792e684acdb1b78ff602015070&ei=23

FOYLESWAR • January 11, 2024 8:23 PM GMT
25 years this been going on fook all done about it , then its put on tv and the whole country sees it and realise this is what goes on and these khoonts at the top are screwing the ordinary man /woman right over on a daily basis , then as if by magic the government cant wait to stick their oar in and set the wheels in motion and come to the rescue of the postmasters and this is done within a week of the programme being aired !

Exactly Foyleswar, and call me skeptical but I can't help think this might have a lot to do with it being an election year and the 2 leaders of the main opposition being potentially implicated in it.

ITV despise the Tories, how do we think the Government persuaded them to commission and produce
a drama in short order?

Ok so did you know Sunak’s father-in-law is a founder of Infosys which made him a multi-billionaire and Sunak’s wife richer than the Queen? Not many do.

Read this and you will see why Sunak has got involved in British government.

You can never have too much money i guess.

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2024/01/10/is-this-why-the-media-have-been-so-quiet-about-fujitsus-involvement-in-the-postofficescandal/

The mainstream media will NEVER let you know Sunak’s family connections and their possible benefit from taxpayer funded IT contracts.

‘In just over one year Rishi Sunak has given £3.6bn to Fujitsu, in the 3 years before that they only got £1.3bn.

RT if Fujitsu need to pay the sub-postmasters compensation and Rishi Sunak and Infosys's dealings with Fujitsu need to be laid bare.’

‘For the moment, let’s consider other possible reasons Fujitsu may be kept out of the spotlight.

Principle among these must be the firm’s working relationship with Infosys, the corporation owned by Rishi Sunak’s father-in-law, in which his wife has shares.

Is it really a coincidence that the following has happened?’

Profit over quality at it’s best, seen it so much over the years and the money is going to billionaires.

Who owns ITV it’s like watching a cover up.

the deeper you dig the more you uncover eric .

This is like covid, brexit ect ect, just being used as a tool by the mendatious.

I have tried to follow the plot but until about an hour ago I have not heard any tangible evidence of what was being alleged.

This Bradshaw guy says he was investigating missing payments made as cash (I presume) not recieved by charities and Bradshaw suggests that the money was never processesd  by the post offices

.

So for me that's theft and whether the money was used to cover other shortages created by a faulty system is neither here nor there imo.

What other folks were not receiving payment?

Bradshaw says they (post masters) stole charitable donations.

The press won’t tell you this which behs the question who owns the tv stations currently. It might as well be Russian tv.

That was to FOYLESWAR

I mean how many times could Boris have decorated Downing Street with those billions?

Never heard the feckin last of that. Those billions could decorate every house in the country and not a sniff from the media?

Never heard the feckin last of that. Those billions could decorate every house in the country and not a sniff from the media?

An excellent thread ruined by lunatics.

the PO/fijitsu new the system was faulty early on so they didnt need any prodding/convincing,so the speed camera scenario  only works to show everyone else,so if it was one speed camera in 500 different towns who,d flag it up,weve all paid fines because of single car park camera failures in seperate towns, that was the point till mr bates managed to convince people not to be threatened.scared and got them together,their wasnt  a group of 500 cases ,there were 500 seperate stand alone cases which BRADSHAW played on and convinced them they were the only ones with problems

I am finding it very hard to find the logic in all the varied compensation. financial redress schemes,  Surely the original 155 should be given precedence above others who have just jumped on board recently. I hope the "do-gooders" don;t fck this up and create a morass of confused legal issues.

as opposed to the thieving/lying NON DO GOODERS who caused it all in the 1st place

I'm sure you get my point.
The NON do-gooders created the mess, the do gooders have to sort it out.
Getting it right is no easy task I am sure you also agree.

Anyone see the ed davey interview today, got i'd love to smack him .

as john sweeny who produced the bbc panorama report in 2015 now back on bbc i player,said today untill the fijitsu whistle blower spoke to panorama in 2015 no one new outside those involved of the defective software, in 2015 starmmer and davbey wernt involved the tory gov of the day were,dont fall the LOOK AT THEM accusations from the right wing uk media

be interesting to know what % of sub-postmasters were caught fiddling before the new Horizon system was installed.

Turns out it was Blair and Mandelson to blame. More honours under pressure!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Those at the Post Office post proven responsible in the future for this despicable miscarriage of justice and victimisation could be liable to criminal prosecution, according to BBC News.

I sincerely hope so. The rogues at senior level in the Post Office knowingly and willingly allowed this heinous crime must be brought to account legally; a dose of their own medicine is just retribution, and probably therapeutic too.

Jan 12, 2024 -- 7:04PM, 1st time poster wrote:

as john sweeny who produced the bbc panorama report in 2015 now back on bbc i player,said today untill the fijitsu whistle blower spoke to panorama in 2015 no one new outside those involved of the defective software, in 2015 starmmer and davbey wernt involved the tory gov of the day were,dont fall the LOOK AT THEM accusations from the right wing uk media

Lol.
BBC is not politically impartial these days.
His opinion doesn't really count for much from that woke org.

when the panorama show was researched /recorded in 2013 to 2015 ,the word WOKe wasnt even whispered to youy by your mammy as she was changing your nappy

THE WOKE JOHN SWEENEY has been in an air raid shelter in ukr for 18 months reporting from a war zone

To be fair, whatever you think of the BBC - anyone that was still defending the Post Office after the Panorama programme in 2015, probably does want locking up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001v921

Newswatch did a programme about this...

interesting stuff from Nick Wallis...

hundreds of scandals waiting to be told out there.

Business + Trade Select Committee questioning some folk today...



The Business and Trade select committee will take evidence from various stakeholders looking at the compensation for Post Office and Horizon victims. Here’s the order of their appearance:

10:00-10:30: Dr Neil Hudgell - leading the Post Office legal team at Hudgell Solicitors; and Lord Arbuthnot - a former MP who now sits in the House of Lords and has campaigned on behalf of sub-postmasters for several years
10:30-11:00: Alan Bates - Founder at Justice for Subpostmasters Alliance; and Jo Hamilton - a former sub-postmistress from South Warnborough
11:00-11:30: Nick Read - Chief Executive at Post Office; and Paul Patterson - Director at Fujitsu Ltd
11:30-12:00: Kevin Hollinrake MP -Minister for Enterprise, Markets and Small Business; and Carl Cresswell - Director, Business Resilience at the Department for Business and Trade

Thank you   Happy
 

BBC News Channel Lampus.

The problem is none of them can look as bad as Bradshaw and he was a very minor cog.