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Fast time too. Impeccable performance.
May be a few chequebooks being waved in owners faces.
May be a few chequebooks being waved in owners faces.
The second is average but yes The Winner looked amazing.
I wouldn't say the 2nd is average.
Tried to go with it and put up a good time too
He smashed a G1 hurdle this time last year.
Tried to go with it and put up a good time too
He smashed a G1 hurdle this time last year.
Il Est Francais, what a horse! A repeat in the King George next year.
You never really know until they race in Britain. But how could you not be impressed by that. Although, I'd say the Irish have much better horses than HA.
The second beat a Sahara Humphrey Trained Nag last time the race stunk ....Keep it real.,,,But the Winner is very very good.
Always pleasing to see them ping round like that.
Kilbeg king has a big handicap chase in him. Put him away now. Won’t even mind going for a Galway plate with him.
Kilbeg king has a big handicap chase in him. Put him away now. Won’t even mind going for a Galway plate with him.
Can't see an owner like Kelvin Hughes selling one like that. Everyone has a price I suppose but he has had some good horses which never quite won the big ones.
D!ckhead (acey) Talking cr@p again....This Horse is a Machine...Look at the Times.
Only in second Gear according to James...Guy really does talk Tosh...
Only in second Gear according to James...Guy really does talk Tosh...
Cheltenham not the main goal next year. French Gold Cup & King George
Excellent class horse however he wouldn’t have got around Cheltenham today leaving his back legs through the fence he made the mistake at.
Young trainer guy still a work in progress…man took the most round about way for saying he’s unlikely for Cheltenham and in the end he didn’t fully say no to it.
Much faster than the King George carrying 3lb less and apparently not really extended.
Good time, but not great. Using the Racing Post standard times, and assuming that the third horse in the opener (Es Perfecto) ran to its mark, then Il Est Francais gets a speed figure of 157.
Hewick a speed figure of 145. Probably tells the story of the race. The leaders went a bit too fast in the King George. Maybe sectionals will confirm that.
Don't get me wrong, 157 is a very good speed figure for a novice chaser, but it's more or less what you'd expect, with Il Est Francais having beaten a horse rated 151 (Hermes Allen) by 11 lengths. And with a horse rated just 135 three lengths back in third.
I'm just saying that rating the form through a time comparison with the King George alone might be a bit suspect. The big story from that comparison is really that the King George form might be iffy.
I'm just saying that rating the form through a time comparison with the King George alone might be a bit suspect. The big story from that comparison is really that the King George form might be iffy.
The King George was probably a bit below an average standard for the race but the last fence fall of Shishkin made it hard to read. If they had all stood up, Shishkin might well have held on from Bravemansgame with Hewick third or fourth. BMG lost at least 3 lengths from interference so would have beaten Allaho by that much with a clear run. Allaho was not impeded so might well have finished behind Hewick anyway.
Btw sagey did you actually watch the race or a replay? He did not fall, unseated after the second last.
Either way he failed to finish and impeded BMG which is the only thing that matters. I watched it live and several times since.
screaming from beneaththewaves 26 Dec 23 18:57
Hewick a speed figure of 145. Probably tells the story of the race. The leaders went a bit too fast in the King George. Maybe sectionals will confirm that.
Not sure about that, run the twp races side by side and for much of the race Il Est Francais was a long way ahead of the KG field despite looking like he was doing a half speed, it reduced a bit toward the end but that was only because the KG horses were racing and the French horse was only really asked to do anything approaching the last...if the KG field was going too quick then he really must be a monster.
Hewick a speed figure of 145. Probably tells the story of the race. The leaders went a bit too fast in the King George. Maybe sectionals will confirm that.
Not sure about that, run the twp races side by side and for much of the race Il Est Francais was a long way ahead of the KG field despite looking like he was doing a half speed, it reduced a bit toward the end but that was only because the KG horses were racing and the French horse was only really asked to do anything approaching the last...if the KG field was going too quick then he really must be a monster.
Thanks for that, duffy. This is why I've never got involved with sectionals - half the time you seem to end up with something like this, which doesn't make sense to me,
I'll just leave it that Il Est Francais is clearly a tip-top novice chaser, but no more than that at this stage - he did only beat a 135-rated horse by 11 lengths.
The opening novices' handicap chase won by Blow Your Wad is very solid form on the clock.
And the clock also confirms that the form of the King George is full of holes, and its not a race that's going to work out at the highest level.
Thanks again for passing on the info from running the two races side-by-side.
I'll just leave it that Il Est Francais is clearly a tip-top novice chaser, but no more than that at this stage - he did only beat a 135-rated horse by 11 lengths.
The opening novices' handicap chase won by Blow Your Wad is very solid form on the clock.
And the clock also confirms that the form of the King George is full of holes, and its not a race that's going to work out at the highest level.
Thanks again for passing on the info from running the two races side-by-side.
Sectional are a complete waste of time unless comparisons on the day are calculated from the actual start in NH racing, where is when the clock starts? Stand to be corrected but viewing the starts some are on the tape others are 100 metres + behind.
That aside even averages are irrelevant given the differing way the races are run, imo the winner will never grace the hill at Cheltenham in a Gold Cup, maybe in a Champion Chase if he even got over the 3rd last the way he jumps?
That aside even averages are irrelevant given the differing way the races are run, imo the winner will never grace the hill at Cheltenham in a Gold Cup, maybe in a Champion Chase if he even got over the 3rd last the way he jumps?
His co-owner is desperate to win a Cheltenham Gold Cup. The horse will be there in 2025 all bring well. And as for his jumping, you don't get over some of the fences at Auteil if you're a sloppy jumper.
They don't jump them stront they can jump through the tops which is what they do, maybe 2025 you could be right but running like he did from the front, not a chance at Cheltenham in the GC. Would imo be like One Man approaching the 3rd last and then emptying before 2 out.
That though is just based on what I saw in France and yesterday so you and others may be right.
That though is just based on what I saw in France and yesterday so you and others may be right.
The fences at Cheltenham are no longer what they used to be.
CagliariG 27 Dec 23 19:26
Sectional are a complete waste of time unless comparisons on the day are calculated from the actual start in NH racing, where is when the clock starts? Stand to be corrected but viewing the starts some are on the tape others are 100 metres + behind.
That aside even averages are irrelevant given the differing way the races are run, imo the winner will never grace the hill at Cheltenham in a Gold Cup, maybe in a Champion Chase if he even got over the 3rd last the way he jumps?
I compared the two races side by side starting from the point both fields reach the first fence which takes out any inconsistencies involving the start.
It was quite stark, particularly through the first half of the race, the KG field were jumping one fence and the French horse was halfway along to the next one.
Sectional are a complete waste of time unless comparisons on the day are calculated from the actual start in NH racing, where is when the clock starts? Stand to be corrected but viewing the starts some are on the tape others are 100 metres + behind.
That aside even averages are irrelevant given the differing way the races are run, imo the winner will never grace the hill at Cheltenham in a Gold Cup, maybe in a Champion Chase if he even got over the 3rd last the way he jumps?
I compared the two races side by side starting from the point both fields reach the first fence which takes out any inconsistencies involving the start.
It was quite stark, particularly through the first half of the race, the KG field were jumping one fence and the French horse was halfway along to the next one.
From the first fence to the final fence fence, first time round, Il Est Francais led the King George field by 4.39 seconds. (22L)
By the time they jumped 4 out, the King George field had reduced that deficit to 3.41 seconds (17L)
At the winning line Il Est Francais was 5.43 seconds ahead of Hewick. (27L)
By the time they jumped 4 out, the King George field had reduced that deficit to 3.41 seconds (17L)
At the winning line Il Est Francais was 5.43 seconds ahead of Hewick. (27L)
I've been a fan of II Est Francais for some time as mentioned on my own thread, without doubt the best 20f/24f novice chaser around at the moment.
I didn't think it was a particularly strong G1 field, but the way he did it, i doubt anything trained in GB would have beaten him. Now rated 160 by Timeform, the French Gold cup is a gimme and he will take some beating at Kempton next year. If he does get beaten, it will be by an Irish entry, but it's not a race they target so much these days.
I didn't think it was a particularly strong G1 field, but the way he did it, i doubt anything trained in GB would have beaten him. Now rated 160 by Timeform, the French Gold cup is a gimme and he will take some beating at Kempton next year. If he does get beaten, it will be by an Irish entry, but it's not a race they target so much these days.
Il Est Francais, described as another Kauto Star after his stunning win at Kempton on Boxing Day, will be a surprise name among the entries for the Turners Novices' Chase at the Cheltenham Festival set to be revealed on Tuesday.
Oi Oi!
7/4 with HIlls nrnb
Oi Oi!
7/4 with HIlls nrnb
PP, Betway -ladbrokes all 12/1 may be that price elsewhere.
The owner had all but ruled out the festival this year having cited the french gold cup in May to be his main target before a tilt at the KG next xmas.
Interesting
Interesting
he's around 9/4 for the KG with Gaelic warrior around 7.1
yet it is 5/4 and 12/1 t'other way about for the Turner's
yet it is 5/4 and 12/1 t'other way about for the Turner's
Where did the above quote re the Turners come from Leif ?
RP fella
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/cheltenham-festival/il-est-francais-ready-to-attack-the-spring-and-given-cheltenham-festival-novice-chase-entry-add8D6x6DhAk/
I don't have access to the full story though.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/cheltenham-festival/il-est-francais-ready-to-attack-the-spring-and-given-cheltenham-festival-novice-chase-entry-add8D6x6DhAk/
I don't have access to the full story though.
Not even cherry ripe n was very impressive.
Will carry my money again wherever he runs next
Will carry my money again wherever he runs next
No finer sight than watching a front runner rattling around Kempton on Boxing Day at a fair old clip, lepping from fence to fence with the agility of an imperious stag.
Hope he turns up.
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Hope he turns up.
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doorman99 28 Sep 24 18:59Joined: 05 Sep 01 | Topic/replies: 4,046 | Blogger: doorman99's blog
9/2
Good shout Doorman- 9/2 with Billy's and one or two others.
Acey bin layin' 12/1 for a while, convinced the hoss is a dud
9/2
Good shout Doorman- 9/2 with Billy's and one or two others.
Acey bin layin' 12/1 for a while, convinced the hoss is a dud
Phantom gamble to lure in all the complete Mugs.....Cant Win shot to pieces ffs.
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