is it hoiles at newmarket

Horse on the snaff & kicking clear, awful commentary.

Good evening. I will happily donate £500 to the IJF if you can post me saying anything of the sort in the Zetland this afternoon. Matronising also sound interesting      https://www.itv.com/watch/itv-racing/2a4397/2a4397a0702

Always pleased if I get to the course and it's Hoiles or Holt commentating. Always wish I were somewhere else if its Johnston or Bartlett (as it so often seems to be at the big tracks in the south). I enjoyed Cattermole's commentary on the real racing at Chepstow today.

Camera work was poor yesterday imo

I agree with ashleigh.

Yes.

Just like 2 seconds can make all the difference in running, and a runner can go from 1.5 to 10, I'm sure similar is true in race calling. The eyes see something, the brain initiates a response, the mouth begins uttering it and in that instant the situation changes. But it's too late to engage reverse. Therefore by the time he had finished the phrase/sentence it was too late, and obsolete. An occupational hazard. Simon Holt also called the wrong horse leading the Ces for a long while, which I'm sure he is much more gutted about, tho it obviously comes with huge mitigation in that particularly unique race.

It's an error yes, as I'm stating he will most likely be more disappointed with that, than calling a snapshot of the race scenario that changed at around the same time he called it. Either situation is hardly earth shattering though, they aren't robots. I like to think I'm pretty good at my job, but I still make a glaring error from time to time. It's just not broadcast to the public.

Yes my point is that the Ces error is more worthy of critique. What this thread references is nothing in my opinion, calling the wrong horse leading by 5 lengths in what is one of the flagship races of the season can be justifiably criticised. One is absolutely nothing, one is a genuine error that ideally should not have happened, but for me neither is something that would vex me for a single second. I started a thread about Gordon Brown continually droning on and on and on about the weather and Scotland in his punditry. People can think I'm right or wrong in being vexed about that, but as a regular viewer of RTV it was really starting to impact my viewing experience! ie it's a deliberate 'editorial' choice to present in such a fashion, not human error.

Richard Hoiles is a good commentator.  But what really grates for me is his inability to turn down the volume after the line.  He's still shouting with that slightly triumphalist tone even when an outsider has eclipsed two or three fancied runners.  As Peter O'Sullevan said, you have to be conscious a race is a serious business with people investing serious money.

ratpack - "Sun on monitors is massive issue ... ..."

Yes, I did wonder if SH could see properly. Presumably anti-glare filters have been tried and blocking the windows is out of the question for obvious reasons.

On a wider commentary note, sometimes it is like being back in the old Extel days where the commentator is determined to name every single horse in the race so is faffing around at the back while the lead has changed three times.

Rapid headway was a particularly well worn phrase on extel, for horses they hadn't mentioned previously

I kind of gathered that Mano. Everyone makes mistakes and he doesn't make many. I was saying that not everyone has to celebrate with the Itv crew when an unfancied one has stuffed 90 per cent of the audience.

The Derby wnr Erhaab was in that Horris Hill (1993).Race is  on youtube.
Worth a watch.

It's a job I wouldn't be able to do so fair play to them for doing it. It would be great though if races were read not on focusing on where they are in the betting but every horse given equal billing. Too many races are littered with the focus on the favourite.  Alan How's imop is very good at just reading the race without the focus on the fav. He gets far too little gigs imop.

But particularly for ITV racing and in the betting shops, a lot of punters will be on the favourite or the PW pick and are more interested in how that is doing than how a 25/1 shot is faring.

Fair enough but imop the race shouldn't be just about the favourite when commentating (unless it's Frankel or the like). There's also the other owners to consider. Even the tone of some commentators voices you wouldn't have to know who the fav was beforehand to know during the race, its like oh my God the fav is under pressure.

Great commentary on the Tchaikovsky race I thought.