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Has anyone had their 'affordabilty' checked and if som what where the triggers?
Can someone explain the process in plain english for me?
Can someone explain the process in plain english for me?
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There is no established trigger yet, completely random at the whim of the bookies.
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...and as has been pointed out by a few
What criterion have the bookmakers been using all this while? Winning accounts perhaps? |
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Yeah good question. The Government and Gambling Commission have been getting all the flack.
Bookmakers picking on punters who own companies and own racehorses makes me think they certainly dont like winning punters. Cant believe the Gambling Commission are telling bookmakers to look into this type of punter. If they are even telling them to look at anyone. They dont even know who have accounts. Going by their lack of knowledge of racing, I doubt they would know where to start. If I was a bookmaker I would keep taking bets from someone 'in the know' very valuable information. |
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Just bad luck on my part
I think it was me making constant small deposits, made 6 £10 deposits in a two hour period and it must have triggered from that Id just make a one off £70 deposit if you play small like myself for example, that way you won't be making multiple deposits daily |
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Paranoic crap sanatogen!!!
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There is no established trigger yet, completely random at the whim of the bookies. - I think we can comfortably assume your dole won't pass the means test.
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My pensions might but tbf untouched in 14 years honcho.HTH
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The 6 mil my old dear left and 3.6 Haliburton paid me for my company might not hurt either, what think you?
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Sontaran , that deposit record has all the hallmarks of chasing so the system has worked well.
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Deposits of 10,20,30,40,50,60 would be more like chasing. Still best not to deposit too many times because of their half-baked procedures.
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Deposits of 10,20,30,40,50,60 , I do this often and have had no problems in the past
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This is what I think happens. 1: Where You Live 2: Do you have a Deposit Limit Loss Limit in place? 3: Credit Score any CCJS?
4: Other info they hold on you. |
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An unscrupulous bookie was already doing AC (post a winning bet) 5 years ago eg B--way; B--way asked for id verification when a 9/1 antepost Oaks winner materialised. I told them to verify using the Electoral Register. If that was not sufficient I'd facilitate a letter from my solicitor. I communicated this to their line, and department manager; I also advised them to close my account post pay-out. B--way accepted.
I then rubbushed them on Trustpilot calling them a sh1te outfit along with many others. They went to Trustpilot to complain; I advised Trustpilot to read the reviews there; I indicated some were paid reviews eg free bets for positive reviews; they found in my favour, and B--way accepted that was true. Post this B--way did not pursue their grievance any further. And, my review along with many others stayed. |
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@impossible
That's poor behaviour by the bookie, but ID checks are not AC - more likely AML driven? Though, as others have posted in the past, it's slightly dodgy behaviour to only do it once you have winnings you want to withdraw - though I can see whay that is the way they do it. |
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B--way are a special outfit. would urge anyone thinking about going near them to look at the reviews. it seems they've even given up writing their own reviews. back in the day there would be 3 or 4 a day, all from the same employee saying they were a magnificent company. maybe Trustpilot got back to them and said look we know you're a complete bag of sh!t so quit the self appraisal BS.
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Impossible - not quite enough info there - but more than likely (as longbridge points out), that's just them doing what they all should have been doing all along - complying with the existing Act.
The issue was (and the massive fines were issued because of it), they were ONLY and exclusively doing it to winners. And only doing it at the point of withdrawal. Losers could carry depositing without any checks and lose everything they had without them complying with the existing Act. B-way are a particularly vile outfit posing as bookmakers while just profiling for slots/casino players - but I could name a dozen more that are equally vile and the "big names" all did the same too. Depositing to lose was completely frictionless - withdrawing winnings involved checks with much more friction and obstruction than what is being proposed now. |
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I believe AML would be under £2k (maybe £20k). B--way similar with many others were then doing AC in reverse. Now, this has been replaced by AC.
I do not trust bookies. I've never left more than £5 here overnight after a phantom bet put on in the middle of the night on a sport I've never played or heard off overseas. It took Betfair 2 weeks to put right; the amount was under £10. Just recently Betfair refunded me just under £900 (stake money) on their infamous 'malformed' "how many trophies will Man City Trophy win?" bet after adjudication and advice from IBAS; I'm only a small player (now) probably staking less than £100 per month here. But, that football was a one-off. The bookies are not governed by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) like the banks. As such, why are they the sole operator, judge and jury on AC? They are not qualified or trusted. The bookies incurred mega fines on a regular basis for promoting problem gambling and addiction and money laundering. |
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I am pretty relaxed about leaving money in here. I haven't deposited or withdrawn for about five years (I just about break even long-term, so no need for either).
I self-excluded from Poker, Casino etc as soon as I set the account up because those are obvious ways for some hacker to dump your balance to nothing, but since then BF have introduced 2FA (which I have on the 'paranoid' setting, so it requires 2FA on every login not just on a new IP address) and I'm fairly confident that should be enough to keep my money safe. Though I probbaly have a lot less on here to worry about than some people. |
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The Cowboys are pish1ng off the Indians
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.betway.com?page=2 |
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Them indiuns just need to take more personal responsibility for their own actions!
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I self-excluded from Poker, Casino etc as soon as I set the account up because those are obvious ways for some hacker to dump your balance to nothing, but since then BF have introduced 2FA (which I have on the 'paranoid' setting, so it requires 2FA on every login not just on a new IP address) I encourage everyone to do exactly that as stated above^. If you havent turned on 2FA on every online account, you should right NOW |
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https://2fa.directory/gb/
Here is a list. Spend an hour or so turning Two-Factor Authentication on. Might be a very worthwhile hour of your time! |
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If they think you are going to win of them some bookies will use it as a tool to deliberately frustrate and make life difficult for you. So that is one trigger.
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Yes CB29 - complying with the existing act (but gaming it to their advantage) - by only complying with the act for winners, and completely disregarding it for losers. That is largely why we are where we are now, in this mess.
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Seems a sledgehammer/nut thing if that is the case clydebank - they can just stake-factor you to penny bets rather more simply, as they have been doing for years, surely?
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Digressing somewhat but....
Flutter Entertainment, owner of betting giants including Betfair and Paddy Power, is preparing to list in the US as early as this year. The firm made the announcement as US and UK punters help drive its revenue up 38 per cent for the first half of 2023. Shares dropped over 3.5 per cent when the market opened |
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Where/when is that from Hayden - shares pretty much flat today?
And it makes sense - if the future growth market is the US (and it seems to be) it would be good business practice to have a US listing. It has been years since I worked in the City, but I recall there were significant barriers to marketing London-listed shares to US investors. |
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Ian King prog on Sky earlier , when discussing the paper changeover he mentioned Flutter were planning on the same project this year.
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I got mugged late at night months ago and had my wallet containing my debit card I use on here stolen.
When I attempted to cancel the stolen card details and apply the new card details I got the start of over an hour of chat service messages. I was asked many many intrusive questions that the only answer i could give was its nothing to do with you. I was asked if i had a credit card and when I said I did I was asked what the credit limit was I explained I only use it for online purchases as it gives me much more protection than a debit card. I told the lady i think i owe them less than £20. I also told the lady i use my local PP shop and have had many mainly football bets on and the stakes are £200-£500 and I have NEVER been asked if I can afford to stake those sort of sums I did say I was willing to provide name of shop and managers name and she could check.I also told her via the chat service if I wanted to get a season ticket to watch BHA the cost would be in the thousands and I am sure no one would ask me if I could afford it! I did tell her I lived on state and private pensions but no rent or mortgage to pay I think that I have more disposable income than a guy earning £1,000 a week who has a couple kids mortgage HP on a car etc etc to pay for. I told the lady that I have had several books on horse racing published and they received decent reviews in the RP and that although I did not expect to win every day I thought I had 'half a clue'. The 'chat' was going nowhere as she said I had no real income and I could face a monthly deposit limit. I asked to speak to a supervisor as she seemed determine to apply some limit to my account so she checked the number the company had still applied and when I confirmed it did said someone would call me. A lady called me and said she had read through all the chat messages I asked her who had made these decisions restricting customers as the government had decided nothing at the time she said just doing her job and she applied deposit limit of £100 a month. I then joined sm******kets and they just let me deposit £500 no questions asked. After a week or so they asked me to provide a photo copy of a passport or driving licence so I provided driv licence which as DOB on it. It started well and I withdrew the original £500 thinking as I was betting with a balance of over £1300 i would avoid any affordability checks. How wrong I was as after another week they messaged me asking me how much I earned and what type of job I had I answered honestly just stating pensions. Two days later when I attempted log in I had a message 'check emails' when i did message was account closed and they did not have give a reason and decision was final and the £1309 would be back in my account same day (which it was) . |
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U must be very careful what u say when questions start
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I've not had that yet maybe because it's the small amount I deposit each time/month. Any intrusive questions I'd close my account, and go grey.
AC was bookies induced. Now, it's bookies controlled. This cannot be right. The bookies cannot be allowed or tasked with deciding how much a punter can afford to deposit; a thief cannot be allowed to decide how much he/she can steal from you. It's wholly iniquitous and against the principle. |
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Then perhaps you should be asking more appropriate questions as:
Who is the arbitrator of these decisions and how can the govt/GC issue threats that lead to fines without clear distinction? You can not have it both ways. If you say bookies need to be more appropriate in their defence of the potentially financially vulnerable and the threat of fines if they arnt, then how can you judge them for being judicious? I’d like to see the actual data of the accounts of those who have had the questions. It is the ham fisted way the government want to look busy with the handwringers but not anti business to the conservatives which means they have instilled a lot of ambiguity. |
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Never say pensions.
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Why not pensions, freddie?
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Kenneth got done by 2 exc for saying pensions
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If I was asked I doubt I would give any of my personal details so that would be it but pensions ought to count for plenty I would have thought.
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Well sparrow
If the GC are being as transparent as they imply and answer ‘our questions’ Ask exactly what they dislike about wealth and if you can show having capital how can that in any sanity be considered worse than a fraction of it in disposable income? |
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kenneth Smarkets close winning accounts, so might just be that rather than affordability
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