Kevin Stott-Amo days numbered?

Paid 1.1M dollars for a colt about a month ago.
Thought it was them.

Overpaying is usually the start of the end.

or is it the end of the start? or the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?

if overpaying is a harbinger of doom then godawful is the most drawn-out denouement of all time

Oil wells help.

Oil-wells? Not really that relevant.  The interesting bit is the reason for the decline in Godolphin's fortunes. Lack of funding? - a bit, Declining interest by SM - Yup.. Issues with previous sheikha - Yup and related to declining interest.  Contrast with smaller scale Shadwell pretty striking now.

Godolphin seem to have gone quiet after the magic sauce was turned off.

Stands to reason.

As if Shadwell are in anyway a comparison to Godolphin. They are a subsidiary having a dood run. The whole arab show relies on Shk Mo and lets hope he gets some success next year. Finding another trainer would help.

Truehoncho - "As if Shadwell are in anyway a comparison to Godolphin"  Same family, two brothers (one RIP), AND I did say "Contrast with smaller scale Shadwell" They'd be a bit cross to be described as a subsidiary. Particularly given this years stats.

truehoncho - Sorry I did not read your post carefully enough. Shadwell is not a subsidiary of Godolphin. Shadwell is not dependant upon SM funding or support. Hope this helps.

Of course it is.

Sacked

Lend us your crystal ball Whoknows.

Who next for AMO then? Harry Davies, Billy Loughnane or someone else?

Amo seem to be following a pattern founded by the likes of Terry Ramsden and other high flyers. It will be interesting to see where they go next both for jockeys and trainers and what they buy in the Autumn Sales.

The owner of AMO is a football agent, correct? And, with the surgence of Saudi Football League I think this source of income could be prolonged at least for the near to middle term.

Stott did make a couple of elementary errors on King Of Steel, so did Ms Doyle; Coolmore was gifted the race on saturday. Maybe Mr Dettori could be "paid" to ride for a set-fee (dependent of status of the race) plus a percentage of breeding/disposal fee. That could tempt big owners including Coolmore (to deny others for his service).

The spending power of Amo is their own private information but the costs of having that many in training is enormous and if they don't keep winning, the pot might run dry.

Kevin Stott will no longer be riding as retained jockey to Amo Racing after revealing he had been sacked by owner Kia Joorabchian in a text message on Monday.

Stott, who began working for Amo Racing at the start of March, has enjoyed considerable success for the increasingly powerful operation this year, most notably aboard Derby runner-up and King Edward VII Stakes winner King Of Steel.

However, Joorabchian was unhappy with Stott's ride aboard King Of Steel in Saturday's Royal Bahrain Irish Champion Stakes, in which the pair finished fourth. Joorabchian said in an RTE interview that Stott had "made a couple of mistakes" on King Of Steel and that the Roger Varian-trained three-year-old "wasn't given the best chance to win" at Leopardstown.
Speaking to the Racing Post on Monday, Stott said: "I was informed this morning that I will no longer be riding for Amo Racing. It was obviously very disappointing news but a reason for the decision was not given to me, so there isn't a lot I can say.

"I do want to thank Kia and all the Amo trainers for the opportunities given to me this year. There have been some incredible moments, one of them being riding Amo's first Group 1 winner.

"What has happened is disappointing but I'm still looking forward to the rest of the year and beyond."

Stott becomes the second jockey to leave the Amo job in controversial circumstances. Rossa Ryan announced he had split from Amo during last year's Ebor festival but that was refuted by Joorabchian, who only confirmed the termination of their association a number of days later. That relationship was revived this year when Ryan partnered 150-1 Amo second string Valiant Force to land Royal Ascot's Norfolk Stakes.

The 29-year-old Stott, who rode as principal first-choice jockey for Kevin Ryan until opting to go freelance last October, helped Amo break its top-flight duck when Bucanero Fuerte won last month's Phoenix Stakes at the Curragh.

Stott has also struck at Pattern level for Amo this season in the Duchess of Cambridge Stakes, Oak Tree Stakes and Craven Stakes, while he came within half a length of winning the Derby aboard King Of Steel, who followed his Royal Ascot triumph by finishing third in the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes.

Stott has ridden 81 winners in Britain this year and was on Sunday declared to ride one Amo-owned runner at Leicester on Tuesday as well as a two-year-old maiden for Ryan.

The Danish born rider, who enjoyed a career-best 116 winners in 2022, gained his first Group 1 success aboard the Ryan-trained Hello Youmzain in the 2020 Diamond Jubilee Stakes at Royal Ascot.

Oisin Murphy for my fiver.

Agree with Honcho.

Murphy is with the owner of Roaring Lion, is he not? Also, he's Balding's horses to run. I do no think Murphy would want that position.

Dettori on pay-per-ride basis plus commission and percentage of breeding fee.

Stay AWAY from Amo Racing in my advice.

Who cares ffs

that Kia bloke is toxic.

megan as his agent looking for another 150/200 rides a yr

This is yet enother fine case of TMM Too Much Money

"another"

and hollie carries on her merry way by riding an even worse race [ if that were humanly possible in the 1st at curragh 24hrs later ] and nothing said by anyone other than walsh

Lend us your crystal ball Whoknows.

helps when the geezer came on tv the day before and basically blamed the jockey for finishing 4th in the Irish Champion Stakes.  thought it should have won so basically the jockey cost him €662,500.

guys a greedy football agent aka a complete merchant banker.

^ horse should clearly have finished closer at least if ridden properly, rather than like a non stayer.

Big lump of a horse round Leopardstown ffs

Scumbag operation with more money than sense imho.

Mr Kiavash Joorabchian holds 13 appointments at 13 active companies, has resigned from 11 companies and held 4 appointments at 4 dissolved companies. Their longest current appointment spans 19 years, 11 months and 12 days at AMO RACING LIMITED

The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where KIAVASH holds a current appointment equals £5m, a combined total current assets value of £56m with a total current liabilities of £45m and a total current net worth of £11m. Roles associated with Mr Kiavash Joorabchian within the recorded businesses include: Director, Company Secretary

^^Compare that to Coolmore a wee in an ocean!

Sep 11, 2023 -- 11:55AM, acey deucy wrote:

Scumbag operation with more money than sense imho.

Correct!

Amo = Wildenstien dirty washing in public….imo…

This Country, under this Government, simply whitewash the ill-gotten gains of the international criminal super rich.

On Walsh about Doyle it was the mildest of criticism, more perceived than anything. He only really commented about where she was on the track.

I think Osborne looks a lot more tidy than Doyle, in fact most jockeys do. She seems to have a problem keeping horses straight and getting them settled, but as you say the cheerleaders can't see any wrong.

I was impressed with Osborne having watched her in the Racing thingy. She's also hungry for winners.

I've just listened to an interview with Kia Joorabchian on Nick Luck's podcast. He said the pair have had 'problems' all year but was reluctant to say what they were. Has anybody heard anything? It's worth listening to.

It will be interesting to see where they go next both for jockeys and trainers and what they buy in the Autumn Sales

He won't be going to the autumn sales, or the Tattersalls one at least. He's managed to fall out with them as well.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22435644/kia-joorabchian-amo-racing-money-dis...

Will Stott be able to walk back into his old job at Ryan's?

I wondered if Neil Callan might become the main go-to man for Ryan, but that hasn't really happened, with the bulk of the rides being shared between Tom Eaves and Shane Gray.

Tudhope is good. But, anything with the owner of King Of Steel has been short-term so far.

If he thinks it's bad he should ask small breeders how they are treated by the sales companies. Set that aside, he is doomed to fail. He wants to become a 'big' player but he is just far too poor. You can't get sustained success by buying a horse for £1m+, you need to buy 10 of them.......every year.

Just had a look at AMO Racings filings with Companies House, Here are the rough figures from March 2016 onwards showing the net assets/liabilities (i.e net value of businesses as going concern):

16 -£216K
17 -£383K
18 -£216K
19 -£437K
20 +£455K
21 +21K
22 - £5.6M

So if the company was wound up tomorrow there'd be £5.6M light in terms of paying their creditors. They really started investing from 2019 onwards with assets (presumed to be horses) going from £2.7M to £11.9M. They started to take on some serious debt to fund this buying spree. Accounts don't say who it's owed to (described as "other payables") and it may be to the director but even if it is this isn't sustainable long term. To me it's very strange anyway and shows a degree of arrogance. How many owners structure their activities in this way aside from the commercial breeding operations. If I was a creditor I'd be concerned.

Just looked up the form record. It tells me that Augeste Rodin has met King of Steel 3 times and won each time
...at 3 different distances , on 3 different types of going , from the front and from behind.
I can't help getting the impression that AR might actually be the better horse. Unclear what a jockey is expected to do to change that.

I'd have agreed if the Irish Champion Stakes was 12f. Then perhaps King Of Steel would be outstayed again. But, over 10f (he led the winner at Epsom) tracking the winner several lengths further back he'd allowed the AOB contingent (and winner) a head start; the winner needed every yard at Epsom to beat him and win.

I'm not advocating King Of Steel would have won. But, the position Stott took had made the task many times more difficult; he only lost by a length after being many lengths behind prior.

If a jockey gives them that kind of lead and wins, he's a genius. Loses by a length and he's on the dole.

how did AR beat KOS in KING GEORGE ?

dumped via txt isnt very nice

Claims he doesn't know why he has been sacked. The bigger surprise should be how he got the retainer in the first place. Of course nobody in the media is going to admit that he just wasn't much cop. Instead all we will get is how he will take this on the chin and bounce back.

I suppose there is hope for everyone wehen the equally useless Egan is riding Group 1 winners.

Agree with the rank average rider getting the job in the first place

Egan = Mishriff

Has any British jockey got a bigger payday at Meydan than him?

Looking forward to megans bias against amo runners on saturdays

Well at least he's got time for another holiday

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22865198/megan-nicholls-topless-holiday-kevin-stott/

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/8546278/megan-nicholls-deny-rumour-kevin-stott/

No more denials. Get that bikini back on.

Do all the know-alls on here know what riding instructions the trainer gave Stott?   Of course they dont.

Megan going through Kev's phone looking for Loughnane & McMonagle numbers

To be fair, he should be bloody grateful that he got the job at all.

A nice hefty retainer and I imagine a decent payoff considering the sacking.

Can't really complain considering the level of his ability as a jockey, which is fine, but not much more than that.

Another know-all

No crystal ball,  but the "off the racetrack" issues allegedly evolve around Little "Miss Pushy" constantly referring to Amo Racing as "we". As though it was her being involved in decisions around where the horses run or where they should go. When in reality she has no influence whatsoever, other than being the girlfriend of Amo's employee.

surely he didnt sign a contract for one season only with this mob,so he,ll get his contract paid up and still get plenty of rides elsewhere, besides KOS,whats he missing out on some early season 2 yr olds next season and speedy 3yr olds who,ll be hard to place

Derby form garbage yet AMO believe they have Pegasus on their hands.
Ace Impact not even bothered to show up to the gig so as not to embarrass the combatants.

I think Ace Impact will at Newmarket Champion Stakes if he bombs in The ARC. Otherwise, stallion duties awaiting.

Has HQ been relocated to Berkshire impossible?

The next Amo jock

Paddy Power: 2 Rossa Ryan, 3 David Egan, 5 Billy Loughnane, 8 Ben Curtis, Benoit de la Sayette, Colin Keane, Ronan Whelan, 10 Sean Levey, Oisin Murphy, 16 Charlie Bishop, Silvestre de Sousa, Seamie Heffernan, Clifford Lee, Oisin Orr, Kieran Shoemark, Danny Tudhope, 20 Saffie Osborne, 50 Gary Halpin

I think given the Brazilian connection, SDS at 16s makes most appeal.

Are any of them daft enough or desperate enough George?

A poisoned chalice and always will be, no surprise if they (Amo) go tits up sooner rather than later imvho.

1.01 best available

Are you kidding Cagliari, they would all sell their grannies for the job.

Tbh, "best available" is all hes gonna be left with at this rate...

If that is/was the case honcho then they have no business sense!!

So you think they should keep scraping around for rides instead of a year with AMO's group horses and then and sacked? Not many if any on that list will get the rides they could with AMO.

How do you know what the financial incentive is honcho or how long an appointment would last? None of the riders could be described as desperate unless you also know their financial status as well?

Honcho knows everything.

clacton knows nothing

where's Donald Rumsfeld when you need him.

You are right. Noone on here knows whats going on in racing. Its all kept very quiet.
Yet some on here seem to think they know better than trainers.
Stott has ridden 227 winners from 1408 rides for Kevin Ryan. But the know-alls on here know more than Kevin Ryan.
Amazing they have not got big jobs in racing.

Sorry 'CagliariG', typo error. I was thinking of The Dewhurst and Fillies Mile. It's old age.

Sep 11, 2023 -- 7:54PM, GEORGE.B wrote:

The next Amo jockPaddy Power: 2 Rossa Ryan, 3 David Egan, 5 Billy Loughnane, 8 Ben Curtis, Benoit de la Sayette, Colin Keane, Ronan Whelan, 10 Sean Levey, Oisin Murphy, 16 Charlie Bishop, Silvestre de Sousa, Seamie Heffernan, Clifford Lee, Oisin Orr, Kieran Shoemark, Danny Tudhope, 20 Saffie Osborne, 50 Gary HalpinI think given the Brazilian connection, SDS at 16s makes most appeal.

The fact that Bishop isn't 1000/1 shows how bad the standard is.

George SDS mat be a good call, he finishes his ban in March and his career is more or less F***ed so nothing to lose and plenty to gain

Stott seemsike a decent guy  hope things work out for him next season.

Spencer?

Fair enough impossible but seek help asap imvho, even Gaze would be hard pushed to come up with your excuse!!!

All of them on that list would benefit from a season with AMO (especially next year). Murphy for me but Danny Tudhope would do a great job for them. Great judge of pace and won't make the mistake Stott did.

They might all do a great job but for how long?

Risk and reward same as punting value honcho, will it add up for short term gain IYO?

Be interesting to know if Amo consult the trainers about a retained rider.

What a terrible list. You may as well throw a dart, and see where it lands.

No its not. They are sportsmen and want to win. Who's not going to want to ride KOS, Persian Dreamer, Ornellaia etc next year? Do you think they are sat there thinking they may get sacked so they won't try? Losers do that not young jockeys looking to be champions one day.

Odds on they have all cost you at some point DD? In your opinion there is not a living jockey worthy for your own failure?

FFS it gets worse "Young jockeys"............lots in the list IYO?

Don't tell them your name Pike!!

Lol, you wouldn't know what their ages are. Value punting???? Yeah I'm sure these talented guys will compare themselves to your home schooled calculations on what value might be.

mrcombustible, who knows, but an interesting post here from May, would you expect SDS (it if was him) to be at Salisbury after the confirmation of his ban?

screaming from beneaththewaves 12 May 23 13:38
De Sousa (or a swarthy little chap very like him) was standing next to me by the paddock at Salisbury last Thursday, exchanging pleasantries with one of the equally swarthy chaps leading around the Amo Racing horse. He seemed surprisingly chipper in retrospect.

SDS is banned til March so why need to sack Stott now if that's the plan?

Is 'swarthy' ok these days?

'swiftynifty', probably to show his disgust, annoyance and who's the boss, I guess.

arny way king of steele finished closer yest was a balsa wood jockey on board.

walofs

A clip here of what Kia said on RTE

https://twitter.com/Minnie1602/status/1701327335880864163

This geezer has a very strong opinion...He rippped Nick Luck a new **** on his podcast this morning.

Arseh0le.

Poor Nick i almost felt sorry for him.