dylan kitts

Greatrex - what an ars*  - he's done what I've told him to do - i.e. not ride any kind of finish whatsoever - how disgraceful. Sadly this is going on every day.... it's just that that was about the worst way to do it you could imagine - he must have been crapping himself up the straight that it might just win - surely no-one was making any fortune laying an 11 to 1 shot.... would love to know what the actual coup was

grate trix wot an absolute sillleekkhhunt he is.

Shooda, it was All the prices from 2s to 11s i imagine. ?

.... Maybe BF will let us know. ??

Right Glasgow - interesting - horrible stuff

Just watched the ride when it was 3rd at Exeter - same jock - wasn't shy about using the whip then

Trainer has told owner to remove his horses from the yard asap.

Stu: Check your messages.

Who is the owner?

Can't find much, anyone got a pic?

Kitts should receive a massive fine and lifetime ban, made no attempt to disguise his intention.

The owner had horses with the now-banned Johnny Farrelly. Breffniboy was the best.

Now we've got to go through the pantomime of working out where in the West Country this firm is going to turn up next.

Actually my apologies…rewatched the Coral cup and the Magnier boy did get the whip out on the run in.

The Dylan won is just terrible.

My advice to him is to say he thought there was another hurdle….he’s still going to get banned but they might go easier on him for stupidity rather than cheating.

Don’t think his career is over…the Central House lad still had a reasonable career after what he did.

Jul 6, 2023 -- 9:28AM, Big muff wrote:

Kitts should receive a massive fine and lifetime ban, made no attempt to disguise his intention.

should be banned for failing to cheat properly

Gets around ...

Former amateur jockey Robert Hawker has been fined £900 after a disciplinary panel gave him credit for openness and honesty in accepting he had spoken to a disqualified person, Johnny Farrelly, about racing matters.

Hawker assists at the Somerset stable of his father, Richard, who inherited some horses when Farrelly was banned for seven years under safeguarding regulations in September 2021.

The breaches came to light when the 30-year-old was showing BHA inspectors around his father's yard in December 2021 and freely offered up the information that he was in regular contact with Farrelly, who he described as an intermediary with some of the horses' owners. When the officials pointed out this was against the rules, Hawker said he had known the former trainer was not allowed to visit the yard but had not realised that all communication was forbidden.

They should all be put to the sword and the powers that be send out a powerful message that is NOT open to interpretation.

Pull a stunt like this and you will be banned from entering a horse or take a ride for say three years. A repeat offence, well that's a red card and you're a gonner for life.

That'll learn 'em.

85% of all horses lose in every race, he had 11 rivals to get lost behind but managed to be beaten just a length, desperately poor judgement from Kitts

I have hardly watched a race all week so haven't watched this, but can they stop putting 'eyecatcher' down instead of what it really is, a shocking ride. Most of the time that's what it amounts to.

About as bad as it gets as the jockey hadn't got a clue how to do what he was trying to do and ended up making a complete horlicks of it.

At least  Mike Cattermole had the bottle to jump off the gravy train to post this on Twitter regarding the ride.
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Mike Cattermole
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Not good at all. Embarrassing - for all of us
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Only guy that can clean this turd  up is Mick Fits.

He will be along shortly...

^^

Wonder if the night before the trainer knew the horse was in great shape, smashed in from 10/1 to 2/1.

Owner gutted he didn't get the fancy prices and told the jockey to pull the horse, drifted out to 11/1 on the day.

Next day trainer tells owner to remove the horses.

100% with you Slippy.

Jul 6, 2023 -- 9:32AM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:

The owner had horses with the now-banned Johnny Farrelly. Breffniboy was the best.Now we've got to go through the pantomime of working out where in the West Country this firm is going to turn up next.

2 horses ( hillsin and colonlel lesley ) moved to brian barrs yard

Jul 6, 2023 -- 11:32AM, punchestown wrote:

About as bad as it gets as the jockey hadn't got a clue how to do what he was trying to do and ended up making a complete horlicks of it.At least

Would he have said anything if there wasn't such an uproar though? He's not exactly known for it is he?

Brain Barr has recently proven he must be one of the straightest trainers holding a licence today.....

Would he have said anything if there wasn't such an uproar though? He's not exactly known for it is he?

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The "Experts" are not exactly lining up beside him as of yet so it will be interesting to see how the comments from the trade pan out as people have had a day to review what happened and have seen the uproar.

Lest we forget, Breffniboy's last run in Johnny Farrelly's colours before ownership was transferred to F A Clegg, the owner of Hillsin:

Held up towards rear, steady progress after 5th, not fluent next, ridden after 2 out, stayed on but never going pace to get involved (jockey said regarding running and riding that his instructions were to drop towards the back of the field in order to allow the gelding to relax and have plenty of sight of its hurdles as this was his first run over obstacles and the gelding had not been finishing its previous races in bumpers. He added that the gelding raced a bit keenly in the early stages and made several jumping errors, particularly at the second last hurdle. He further added that having asked the gelding to close up on the leaders turning for home he felt that there was very little response and he therefore felt it prudent to keep a hold of the gelding, which appeared to him to be tiring and the gelding had subsequently been slowly away from the final hurdle. Trainer's rep confirmed the instructions and stated that she was satisfied the ride accorded with those instructions.)

https://www.racingpost.com/results/14/exeter/2019-10-22/740960

R Dunne the rider then.

Brainless Chinese snooker players got life bans for fixing matches. Why can't the BHA not operate a similar system eg dish out life bans for offenders and/or owners? These scumbags are bringing shame to the sport. It's one thing to land a gamble, another to deliberately pull a horse for personal gain.

i'd be suspicious of any jockey that "adds" that much ....

MJK spot on with a couple of contributions.

Cattermole is about as 'safe' as you can get. He probably thought this was so obvious that he could safely step out of line. It's about one step up from calling out some unknown jock on the other side of the world. See if you can spot Buick not trying hard enough Mike. After all it only happens virtually every day.

As the jockey has previous I hope the BHA will enforce some sort of sanction as a deterrent to others.

Userimpossible123 • July 6, 2023 8:10 PM BST
Brainless Chinese snooker players got life bans for fixing matches. Why can't the BHA not operate a similar system eg dish out life bans for offenders and/or owners? These scumbags are bringing shame to the sport. It's one thing to land a gamble, another to deliberately pull a horse for personal gain.

There's a well known recording of 2 famous jockeys (one now retired) from a while back discussing fixing races. If the Uk racing authorities aren't going to do anything about that, which is literally recorded it shows what the crack is. This guy will probably get done as for some reason they quite often go after the smaller trainers / owners and jockeys.

There's a well known recording of 2 famous jockeys (one now retired) from a while back discussing fixing races.






Both now happily involved with the RTV channel.

Made front page of the Racing Post today. Trainer says he's innocent, jockeys agent says it's inexperience. Hoping it will blow over soon.

inexperience

That's got to be the funniest of the excuses so far, for being totally rancid.

People might not agree here but I don't think the trainer
had anything to do with it.Didn't hesitate in telling the
owner to remove his horses.Doubt he has a big stable of
horses to to train either.
How many does he train? anyone Know.

Penzance - I think I read 14 somewhere.  It certainly isn't many. and I agree with you!

Not many - he ran just 11 different horses in the 2022/23 NH season.

Cheers.
With a small string like that 2 horses training fees will
be quite a blow I would think.

i agree.

imho the Trainer is 0% involved in this

Dylan Kitts will not ride or attend a racecourse while the BHA investigation takes place.

I wonder just what horrible pressure was brought to bear on the young kid.  Maybe he thought he had no way out but to comply.

Hit with a brown envelope most likely.

Given the fallout,one imagines this is an open and shut case of a horse being laid , an owner telling a vulnerable young apprentice what he has to do, "or else". Possible the trainer has no involvement, but one imagines Mr A. Clegg (owner),will be warned off for the rest of his life. It is quite easy to track back lay money these days.

The BHA have to be far more transparent, people are beginning to lose confidence in the game. It's becoming a lottery of insider trading. I've moved majority of my gambling turnover from Horse Racing to Golf, which is a sad indicement of how the incompetent BHA have lost control of the game.

Why would any 10 lb claimer take a "brown envelope"?  These things get talked about and his rides would dry up and career nosedive.  No for me he's been got at and not had an alternative.

As always on here,all and sundry tried and convicted before any facts are known!!

what more facts do you need to know Cagliari?

Jockey didn't ride to obtain best place... horse is banned for 40 days pending investigation. Presumably the owner/ will have questions to answer.

Horse racing is being dragged through the mud in the last few years and the authorities look to have no appetite to clean up the sport.

So the words pending and presumably that you used = Facts cacique?

Basic principle of law in UK is innocent until proven otherwise?

Nothing shall be admitted in evidence that does not immediately prove or disprove any fact or point in issue or question?

i get you cagliari.

so we just sit and watch that, see the in-running odds, see the pre-off drift.  but nobody's allowed to comment - on a forum - until its been through all and sundry

don't think so

maybe someone genuinely thought it was a 12/1 shot when it landed over the last still cruising along with the jockey sat motionless ....

The fact is the jockey didn't ride to obtain the best possible position, the horse is suspended for 40 days, and the trainer has asked the owner to remove his horses from his yard.


But, lets not pretend that this poor unfortunate jockey is going to get the book thrown at him.

Fine then hulk,just impact the life of the trainer and his family just because you can?

Said too many times,god forbid you rely on a jury of your peers!!

100% trainer/owner , or both , responsible on this occasion . End of full stop. The lad as with all jocks are employed by these crooks to do their bidding . There are shi te rides and totally s hite jocks that lose races through incompetence , but this time he was doing as he was told to keep his job imo. Sort the trainers out !

sometimes the horse is going too well and its very hard to disguise, especially for an inexperienced jockey.  similar ride was Michael Purcell on the Charles Byrnes trained Laetitia at Cork in 2005.

"Purcell sat motionless on Laetitia for much of the home straight and although the rider's second crack of the whip inside the final furlong did connect, the rider appeared to do insufficient to help his mount close home, allowing Alpha Royale to win by a length."

Laetitia was going that well he couldn't disguise what he had been told to do. 

Charles Byrnes trained

Totally agree with you jinxy on the owner/trainer.. 
can't agree with you about the jockey....


If the BHA cann't properly ensure that jockeys are capable of riding to a certain level then they shouldn't give them a licence.
Let them ride in schooling races, or other means of getting experience, but not to come onto a racecourse and prove to be incompetent.

Mind you, it should apply to all jockeys. Rachel Blackburn should have been suspended for a long time when she rode a circuit too soon a few months back.

Trainer pleads innocence and has owner's horses removed.
Owner pleads innocence but denies trainer's claim that owner insisted on Kitts.
BHA suspends jockey Kitts indefinitely but no action (so far) against owner or trainer.

So presumably the BHA thinks some outside villain has got at Kitts.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/ive-done-nothing-wrong-hillsin-owner-affirms-innocence-as-investigation-into-worcester-storm-continues-aTVlc0d9g0vX/

Idiots,no other word to describe conviction before trial!!!

Show where the trainer is complicit or the jockey defying instructions?

Jockey put in a position of indecision maybe but not proven to deliberately fail to win,trainer confirms instructions to stewards post race almost word for word?

You convict before a trial? The evidence looks suspect visa vi the owner but to taint the others completely and utterly wrong but the way idiots decide an outcome!!!

Riding to instructions?

The jockey has not ridden to obtain the best possible placing. Regardless of what owner or trainer told him!!

He's guilty, all that needs to decide now is the sentence.

Of course cacique,why wait for a trial,find a tree and hang him!!!?

Do you deny the oratory (there is a fine word for here) given to the stewards by the trainer and jockey separately?

Mind you, it should apply to all jockeys. Rachel Blackburn should have been suspended for a long time when she rode a circuit too soon a few months back.




*Blackmore*,she was retrospectively banned for this ride,the Stewards on the day had a nightmare.

trainer doesn't need to be involved, and don't think he was.  in fact, you could say he's done a right good job turning what was a very average horse into one that should've hacked up in the 2 weeks he's had it.

jockey and the money men are all that you need.  honours presumably seen whats happened after the event and told Clegg to get his horses the fck out of his yard.  be interesting to see if he uses kitts again.

Why bother punchestown,I swerved it because it sums up the IQ of here!!!

trainers will typically say they are satisfied with the ride as there is some kind of omerta within racing whereby everyone looks after everyone else

Jul 7, 2023 -- 1:24PM, CagliariG wrote:

Why bother punchestown,I swerved it because it sums up the IQ of here!!!

My IQ is very low.

But you (Cagliari) are almost of the opinion that the jockey has done nothing wrong and this kind of riding is acceptable.

No doubt the BHA will knee-jerk into action and make an example of this poor lad just because he's not a big fish.

And using the Rachel Blackmore incident, the stewards on the day thought nothing was wrong and didn't do anything. Thats a double standard.

The trainer said the opposite after the last hurdle hulk,did he not?

Anyway a free bet for the hanging jury,Optician,can you see it not being in the first 3,4/1 with the books.

Bad optics if it wins or loses or out of sight as a tip IYO?

Sad to see people drawn in by an oh so obvious fishing expedition. It's not worth the effort.

Do you mean caught more than your own threads ever do DD?

The thread contrary to moaning minnie aka DD was a valid one at the time posted,still is in terms of what the Forum is about.

Makes no difference if we agree or disagree,it is a debate and mostly missing from here.

Disagree DD or anything worthwhile to offer or share?

Actually just watched the race , disgraceful , he should never ride again.

Would you say the same of an apprentice bricklayer who laid a brick or two according to his instructor that then was not in a straight line Jinxy i.e sack him?

an apprentice bricklayer is not paid the same as the top level bricklayer....
Plus not laying 2 bricks in line won't mean you loose your "bricklayer license" (is there such a thing)
.

Costs the same to get the champion jockey as it does to get a scrubber.

Affecting a publically run race where hundreds of thousands of pounds are at stake is a different matter.

Read the script ffs cacique,he carried out the traners instructions to the letter,did he not?

How do you or anyone else know the horse would have done better had he used his whip or kicked it in the belly for example?

I agree if he deliberately prevented it winning,throw the book at him but as of now there is no evidence is there?

Ergo Harchibald in the Champion Hurdle,I say he would have responded,his jockey says he would not.No choice  but to accept the latter but at least give the lad a chance before hanging him where the only evidence is a silent film that looks bad?

Jul 7, 2023 -- 2:22PM, CagliariG wrote:

Read the script ffs cacique,he carried out the traners instructions to the letter,did he not?How do you or anyone else know the horse would have done better had he used his whip or kicked it in the belly for example?I agree if he deliberately prevented it winning,throw the book at him but as of now there is no evidence is there?Ergo Harchibald in the Champion Hurdle,I say he would have responded,his jockey says he would not.No choice

It is not possible to defend the ride , the jockey actually stopped the horse from winning.

No defence for idiocy and conviction without evidence,just hung yourself imvho!!

I'd say throw the book at him - he's form. A minimum of 6 months suspension is the barest minimum. The Worcester race was bad for the eyes, and more importantly the integrity of the sport. Not doing enough to win is just as bad as stopping a horse - it's merely semantics.

My immediate question is Mr Greatrex. What future has the lad at Mr Greatrex? Why would Mr Greatrex want a lad like Dylan Kitts in his yard? A re-education is of utmost importance post an inevitable suspension.

How long did Dermot Browne get for his unprofessional antic on Brownes Gazette?

Just hope you lot never find yourselves in a law court,guilty or innocent being judged by 12 of similar idiocy before the evidence is introduced!!

Jul 7, 2023 -- 2:53PM, CagliariG wrote:

Just hope you lot never find yourselves in a law court,guilty or innocent being judged by 12 of similar idiocy before the evidence is introduced!!

I still can't believe that you think he has done nothing wrong.


Carberry on Harchibald was a totally different, but no less wrong, matter.

Unlike you lot I have never said he was right or wrong, did I? My job dictated I enforce the law,not make it or judge individuals and certainly not without evidence.

Simple principle is "He who alleges a fact must prove it" your basic protection when a police officer alleges you did wrong.

Having a set of eyes and being able to see is enough for anyone with an ounce of common sense . Sometimes things are well beyond doubt even before a trial begins . Without the evidence of a racecourse video you may have a case , but in this case the camera does not lie .

The BHA has banned him from any racecourse for the foreseeable future until their investigation on the Worcester race has been concluded. This was sudden and certainly not expected.

Still not done anything untoward to warrant this drastic action by the BHA? I think a suspension is a mere formality, only the exact duration will be decided upon conclusion of investigation.

Like stewards reversing a result because they can read a horses mind?

Disqualified because the first past the post intimidated the runner up?

As much sense as you knowing what the jockey was thinking and btw given his instructions you would have no chance of convicting him!!!

HTH

The damage has been done, mitigation is the only option for a reduced suspension.

can't wait for the morning line/ opening show tomorrow to see how the woke apologists on ITV will explain how this type of ride is ok.

cag, you either have a very large fishing rod or are a complete and utter thick koont

^^^^^^^^^

"They" know who laid the Horse to lose, and it is obvious the Orders given to the Rider, Whats the Problem?.

Remember,
"Brentford striker Ivan Toney has been suspended,The England international admitted 232 breaches between February 2017 and January 2021".
4 Years! before anything was reported about his Gambling, come on!.

1.01 Deptford.  Fishing rod.

Licence suspended with immediate effect.....he obviously dont know where the winning post is ffs

Will he get it back...
When did he voluntarily stand down ?


https://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/bha-statement-regarding-jockey-dylan-kitts/

Further to the voluntary standing down by Mr Kitts last Friday, a formal hearing was held yesterday before the Deputy Chair of the Judicial Panel. By agreement between the parties it has been ordered that Mr Kitts’ jockey licence be suspended with immediate effect and Mr Kitts is prohibited from attending any racecourse in Great Britain. This order will be kept under review and will last until a further order is made, whilst the BHA investigation and potential Disciplinary Proceedings remain ongoing and which will be dealt with as swiftly as possible.

should be banned for life

BHA oftentimes criticised for allowing such investigations to drag on and on.
Have a feeling this one will be expedited given the current spotlight on racing's integrity.

My guess is the jockey will get 12 months.
'connections' if found guilty of 'pulling' the horse ought to get 3-5 years.

He used the same excuse when he stopped the greatex horse from winning as well saying the horse made a respiratory noise

He used the same excuse when he stopped the greatex horse from winning as well saying the horse made a respiratory noise

Well what is happening with the owners???, Trainer says they insisted that the boy rode, they say they didn't and that it was someone else connected. Whole things stinks.

What we don't want is an example set of the jockey and everyone else wriggling off the hook.

Just reveal who the firm was that kept it 13.0 and above in running when it was coming with a double handful approaching the last and bingo, jobsagoodun.

We don't need Lieutenant Columbo on the case for this I wouldn't have thought.

Oh and just one more thing,.......