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From the Daily Telegraph "The “celebratory” venue, which will feature drag performances and free **** literature, will open on Derby Day in early June – the first day of races.
While the Jockey Club hopes it will make the event more “inclusive”, others believe it is simply a PR stunt that will do little to open up the sport.
A large festival-style tent will be installed on the Hill, the area at the centre of the racecourse where spectators can watch the Derby for free.
It will include a bar and DJ, along with performances from the drag queens Cara Melle and Bonk.
Said to “blend entertainment and education”, it will also provide a library of **** literature to “encourage more people from the LGBTQIA+ community to feel empowered to attend and engage with horse racing”.
Will it frighten the horses like the fireworks last year?
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Report saddo May 23, 2023 9:17 PM BST
They'll frighten the horses more than last years fireworks
Report onlooker May 23, 2023 9:22 PM BST
Surely things/Events can only be - 'Inclusive' - if people WANT to be INCLUDED ...

- and NOT, merely - Force-Fed certain individuals self-indulgent Propaganda.
Report Cider May 23, 2023 9:25 PM BST
Bar a few oddities, horse racing was one of the few sanctuaries from the woke madness infecting most walks of English life. But now it's finally worming its way in, and the boldness will continue. At York there was some climate change grifter employed by the course. There was Stephen Lawrence day. Luck on Sunday (without Luck) spent most of Sunday naval gazing about 'mental health'.
Report 11kv May 23, 2023 10:41 PM BST
Lara is the main act.
Report formoftheace May 24, 2023 8:29 AM BST
Men in wearing lipstick ffs….couldn’t imagine myself in stockings and high heels….ffs open air lunatic asylum
Report hong kong fooey May 24, 2023 8:41 AM BST
They will have to stay on the hill. Unless they change into suit and tie to get into members.
More "inclusive".Laugh
Report screaming from beneaththewaves May 24, 2023 9:27 AM BST
If Epsom are so keen to promote the idea that you can change sex on a whim, maybe some owner should insist that their colt identifies as a filly, and claim the 3 lb allowance.
Report Ramruma May 24, 2023 9:43 AM BST
It is a bit late to complain about non-racing attractions at the Derby. Funfairs, fireworks, whatever the demonstrators are demonstrating about. All human life is there.

And contrary to the Telegraph report in OP, Oaks Day comes before Derby Day and it is only a two-day "Festival".

But it's a gimmick and probably an unsuccessful one.
Report mokegibboni May 24, 2023 10:21 AM BST
Some of the below posts really made me chuckle. I think all this is part of a desperate attempt to save the UK horse racing industry from eventual extinction and they will try virtually ANYTHING to do that. I thought when they talked about drag racing, we were to see trans people being towed behind horses at great speed!
Report coys May 24, 2023 10:27 AM BST
They could all be put up The Hill and can do some gardening
Report jimnast May 24, 2023 10:34 AM BST
What are jcr racecourses trying to do with our sport
Report akajak May 24, 2023 10:55 AM BST
total madness but not surprised, thought Mick Appleby's comments were spot on, pity they didn't concentrate on their core audience anymore
Report DonegalPrince May 24, 2023 12:13 PM BST
Jimnast, I think one of the main problems is that the individuals in positions of control in JCR (and countless other organisations who promote this sort of drivel) are not intending to stay in the company/institution/organisation for any length of time. They parachute in on promotion from somewhere else, do their 3 years or so, then "move on" to face "new challenges" having "achieved all they can" to a completely separate job. They KNOW that the best way to impress prospective future employers is to have this sort of inane rubbish on their CV. I was a lawyer in Government service. Spent 30 years at it. Those who were Business Managers or HR "Directors" never stayed longer than 3-4 years tops and then would go onto the Foreign Office/Home Office on promotion , then a charity etc etc. They had no skin in our game as I did. Same with the JCR. They'll all be off in 2 years or so boasting to some gullible woke Managing Director that they had an LGBT+ tent at Epsom. Be enough to get them the job.
Report SlippyBlue May 24, 2023 1:53 PM BST
It's like these people are living on a different planet to the rest of us.
Report alun2005 May 24, 2023 2:00 PM BST
Another racing initiative that beggars belief.
Report Daryl Revok May 24, 2023 2:02 PM BST
I'm not so sure, I'm more likely to read an article with 'Cara Mell and Bonk' in the title than I am 'Frankie's last...'
Report Wesdag May 24, 2023 2:06 PM BST
Seduced by **** theory the goal of which is to remove all sexual boundaries & safeguarding.
Report Wesdag May 24, 2023 2:06 PM BST
*qweer
Report racing6699 May 24, 2023 3:02 PM BST

May 24, 2023 -- 12:13PM, DonegalPrince wrote:


Jimnast, I think one of the main problems is that the individuals in positions of control in JCR (and countless other organisations who promote this sort of drivel) are not intending to stay in the company/institution/organisation for any length of time. They parachute in on promotion from somewhere else, do their 3 years or so, then "move on" to face "new challenges" having "achieved all they can" to a completely separate job. They KNOW that the best way to impress prospective future employers is to have this sort of inane rubbish on their CV. I was a lawyer in Government service. Spent 30 years at it. Those who were Business Managers or HR "Directors" never stayed longer than 3-4 years tops and then would go onto the Foreign Office/Home Office on promotion , then a charity etc etc. They had no skin in our game as I did. Same with the JCR. They'll all be off in 2 years or so boasting to some gullible woke Managing Director that they had an LGBT+ tent at Epsom. Be enough to get them the job.


This is soooo true! - well said

Report Ramruma May 24, 2023 3:20 PM BST
No need to panic. They're not making it compulsory! But I cannot see how it will help.

Suppose you are gay. If you are a gay racing fan, you may already be planning to watch the Derby. If you are not a racing fan, will you really be tempted by a gay-friendly tent in the middle of the day?

DonegalPrince is probably right. This will boost someone's cv and do damn all for racing or the gay community.
Report formoftheace May 24, 2023 3:36 PM BST
Each to their own……
Report Big Cat May 24, 2023 4:11 PM BST
I knew this was kind if thing was 'a thing', but I didn't have a name for it. 'Corporate Woke Washing' is the term apparently
Report elisjohn May 25, 2023 7:10 PM BST
well what else do we expect when claire balding is on the race course commitee, just hope she didnt  precide over that firework fiasco last year
Report casemoney May 25, 2023 7:51 PM BST
Derby Day with Wiggy c0ck Geezers , unfathomable a few years ago , Just shows the state this country is in ..
Report casemoney May 25, 2023 7:51 PM BST
Derby Day with Wiggy c0ck Geezers , unfathomable a few years ago , Just shows the state this country is in ..
Report LoyalHoncho May 25, 2023 8:01 PM BST
Is it only a matter of time before Chamberlin brings in a tranny to the pundit ranks?  He's proved he likes ticking boxes.
Report leif May 25, 2023 8:06 PM BST
Pair up Sir Anty macoy and Eddie LizzardDevil
Report dambuster May 25, 2023 8:30 PM BST
The Woke Racing promoters won't be happy until they totally destroy Racing to appease the Very Very small minority, against the very very big
Majority. I want to be in the stand for Proper punters, Men  in there 50/60/70/80s who have a few ££ and want to study form and have a bet,
THATS THE MAJORITY , EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
Report The Knight May 26, 2023 10:24 AM BST
dambuster...and I will be there, too! Racing seems hell bent on annoying, even destroying, its core audience.
Report Ramruma May 26, 2023 10:51 AM BST
Does one tent really destroy racing's core audience? If so, racing is surely too fragile to survive. And it seems especially incongruous to complain about a tent at the Derby which for centuries has been accompanied by fairs.

Isn't attracting a new audience for racing a laudable aim? My fear, as expressed earlier, is that this is a damn stupid way of going about it. The irony is that both the tent people and their opponents on this thread seem to regard gays as freaks and not just ordinary people who either like or do not like racing and differ only in who makes the cocoa when they get home.
Report layingisthewayforward May 26, 2023 11:56 AM BST
Having a tent full of gays and trannies wouldn't offend me in the slightest, they'll probably add a splash of colour to the place!
Report barstool May 26, 2023 12:08 PM BST
Better put both me belt and braces on.
Report casemoney May 26, 2023 2:04 PM BST
The Wiggy Cok  Mob have been slung out of Women's cycling,sense at last
Report casemoney May 26, 2023 2:04 PM BST
The Wiggy Cok  Mob have been slung out of Women's cycling,sense at last
Report casemoney May 26, 2023 2:08 PM BST
Wonder if there will be a creche available where this mob can sit round with their tackle on display , reading books to racegoers kids ?
Report dambuster May 26, 2023 3:01 PM BST

May 26, 2023 -- 2:08PM, casemoney wrote:


Wonder if there will be a creche available where this mob can sit round with their tackle on display , reading books to racegoers kids ?


LaughLaughLaughWouldn't surprise me

Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 3:04 PM BST
ITV will probably have Lara alongside Ken Pitty Son explaining the ins and outs of grooming!!
Report Cider May 26, 2023 3:23 PM BST
Ramruma

Absolutely nothing to do with a genuine attempt at attracting new people to racing.

Absolutely everything to do with people who live on twatter, using racing to show other types that live on twatter how brilliantly woke they are.

Regular life is now littered with this stuff, where these people are happy to lose audience, customers etc. As long as they are impressing their mates, all good.
Report barstool May 26, 2023 3:41 PM BST
Times have certainly changed.

50 years ago you could not find one without a Flashlight and a pointed stick.
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 3:51 PM BST
Unfortunate that the type of people in charge are of the same persuasion as are being targeted and a tiny minority of population as a whole.If they seriously wanted to engage a potential new audience it would make more sense to try and attract disabled people to attend tracks.

Many more of them than ginger beers etc and likely to appreciate the opportunity to attend a day at a track,some tracks give concessions for carers and disabled but they should all be made to do this.Have somebody like Guy Disney to promote a scheme that would have more relevance overall?
Report stu May 26, 2023 4:04 PM BST
We should have really spotted this a while ago - Tories been in power so much, and guess what goes on in Male public boarding schools, posh University educations etc...Excited
Report mitolo May 26, 2023 4:15 PM BST
you missed out the f in your moniker
Report stu May 26, 2023 4:17 PM BST
Touched a nerve mitolo, I never knew Laugh
Report stu May 26, 2023 4:17 PM BST
Was it public school or Uni for you Mischief
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 4:30 PM BST
Mitolo,don't forget tomorrow!!!
Report stu May 26, 2023 4:32 PM BST
His time of month, Mr Grumpy.
Report Jumper45 May 26, 2023 4:48 PM BST

May 24, 2023 -- 3:02PM, racing6699 wrote:


May 24, 2023 -- 12:13PM, DonegalPrince wrote:Jimnast, I think one of the main problems is that the individuals in positions of control in JCR (and countless other organisations who promote this sort of drivel) are not intending to stay in the company/institution/organisation for any length of time. They parachute in on promotion from somewhere else, do their 3 years or so, then "move on" to face "new challenges" having "achieved all they can" to a completely separate job. They KNOW that the best way to impress prospective future employers is to have this sort of inane rubbish on their CV. I was a lawyer in Government service. Spent 30 years at it. Those who were Business Managers or HR "Directors" never stayed longer than 3-4 years tops and then would go onto the Foreign Office/Home Office on promotion , then a charity etc etc. They had no skin in our game as I did. Same with the JCR. They'll all be off in 2 years or so boasting to some gullible woke Managing Director that they had an LGBT+ tent at Epsom. Be enough to get them the job.This is soooo true! - well said


If any who bat for the other side wanted to get into racing, they'd have done it through the normal channels just like the rest of us. No doubt many have. Do they really need a drag performance?

The only question that remains to be asked within ITV? Which presenter draws the short straw to present from the gay tent? A McCoy/Ruby double act would be comedy gold.

Report dambuster May 26, 2023 6:32 PM BST
If anyone likes a bet at both meetings or bats for the opposition so be it,
But why don't racecourses do more to attract the  middle aged working class man that has kept them going for the last 40+ years
by offering them midweek dross racing for £5 entrance  and Saturdays where they can take there partner in for free.?
All this segregation and having LGBTQ and Remembering a Black kid who was murdered 30 years ago is all very well.
But you have to balance it up with things like a Lee Rigby day, a white British soldier who was murdered by 2 black muslim extremists.
Because if you don't, the average middle age racegoer will be lost forever, and the LGBTQ and any other minority they bow to, won't come back in a hurry because its just not there scene, so they should look after the people who have looked after them over the years
Report mitolo May 26, 2023 6:40 PM BST
cant forget tomorrow as it hasnt happened yet tobes. will set me alram for 2 pm. gone off early today so should conk out before 6

me last minute guesses aint working
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 6:50 PM BST
No worries mitolo,you don't owe anything mate,just rather have your pick than a wildcard!!
Report halcyon days May 26, 2023 7:14 PM BST
Day after day... alone the hill

The man with the lipstick was standing perfectly still

But nobody wants to know him, they can see that he's just a fool
Report Ramruma May 26, 2023 7:26 PM BST
Stepping carefully around the rampant homophobia on this thread, there are some groups who do seem to be missing from racecourses.

For instance, there are lots of Black punters in betting shops (and football clubs, it turns out). Maybe try to interest them in going racing. But NOT by a special tent.
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 7:36 PM BST
There has never been any reason that excludes black punters going racing ramruna ditto most other groups,ethnic or not? Not the case for disabled regardless of ethnicity etc?

About time the term phobia was used in its proper sense instead of trying to make the majority thinking it is wrong to be afraid e.g when last was arachnophobia cited as being wrong?
Report mitolo May 26, 2023 7:36 PM BST
homophobia? a phobia is an irrational fear. who is scared of people like me, rationally or otherwise?

in my experience as a bisexual i dont encounter it. quite the reverse, we receive special treatment
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 7:38 PM BST
You forgot the sheep mitolo or were you being inclusive?Wink
Report Cider May 26, 2023 7:39 PM BST
We could try not judging people by their skin colour. They aren't homogeneous.

It's just wrong headed in my view. You can't bribe or force people to do things they don't want to do. Especially if the primary objective is to polish your own public halo.

The summer music festivals are full of culturally ethnic music, and performers, 99.9% of the attendees are caucasian.

There's nothing wrong with that (aside from the hypocrisy).
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 7:43 PM BST
90% of them would probably not recognise a horse if it bit them cider so the after racing concerts are just another example of those in power not selling the actual product?
Report LoyalHoncho May 26, 2023 7:52 PM BST
Surely it isn;t the fact that the tent will be there it is the absolute certainty that our lily-livered tv show and the associated media will not just give it far more attention and spotlight than it should but will also actively promote it to an nth degree.
It is sickening.  Be as bent as a corkscrew if you want.  I;m not interested in anything other than the racing.  And I am sure 99% of you on here echo these sentiments.
I've said it for you.  Love
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 7:54 PM BST
What are the odds of the tent being the "Social" stable with Olly fronting it iyo?
Report Cider May 26, 2023 7:55 PM BST
I suppose it makes sense financially for the courses, primarily it's much more about that then attracting people for the sport.

It's a massive challenge. The world has changed and getting young people to leave their house in 2023 is a battle, never mind spending their day paying and attending a racecourse for the sport. They'll leave for a p1ss up, but not necessarily what the racecourses want.

If it was up to me, and I had the capital to play with, I would be doing something around laying on free transport/parking and heavily subsidised admission. In general, not the Derby meeting. In short, doing what it takes to fill the course with people there to enjoy the sport. The sport for what it is, and not pretending to be something it's not.
Report mitolo May 26, 2023 7:57 PM BST
a corkscrew is not bent( iw ould know) it wouldnt work if it was
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 7:58 PM BST
Laugh
Report steerforth May 26, 2023 8:01 PM BST
The ONLY way to attain true integration is to stop highlighting differences. It's not "inclusive" to exclude those who feel legitimately uncomfortabe being force fed a socio political agenda. We rightly condemn the abhorrent prejudices of the past, but replacing one form of prejudice with another is not sustainable. Open minded liberal thinkers are  tiring of this and it is beginning to unwind.
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 8:09 PM BST
Simple facts negate all the bull being spouted by those in control of the sport and media.Racing was known as the sport of Kings when punters were not a factor in financing it.The world shifted and punters became the backbone in finance,it shifted several times and then "Kings" e.g Arabs became the saviours in conjunction with punters!!

Where at any time did gays,freaks,crossdressers et al ever have a stake before the Racing Post and ITV went pink?
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 8:24 PM BST
Any odds o Philip Schofield suddenly getting a new contract or being at the Derby meeting with a boyfriend saying "First time ever,loving the tent"?
Report onlooker May 26, 2023 9:06 PM BST
err NO  - Looks like that 'pop-Up' appearance- will be - a NON-Runner.

TV presenter Phillip Schofield has admitted he lied to his colleagues and the media about an affair he had with a younger male ITV employee.

The former This Morning host said his affair with the man, who the BBC is not naming, was "unwise but not illegal".

In a statement to the Daily Mail, Schofield confirmed the relationship took place while he was still married.

He has resigned from ITV with immediate effect and will no longer present the British Soap Awards next month.

Schofield will also not front a new prime-time series which ITV had said last week they were developing with him.
Report CagliariG May 26, 2023 9:16 PM BST
1.01 it will happen then!!!
Report LoyalHoncho May 27, 2023 12:36 AM BST
Oooh!  Get you ducky.  Ok then - as kweeeer as a bottle of chips.
Report dambuster May 27, 2023 10:42 AM BST
If Olly is made to report from inside the tent, how many people will switch off ?, don't forget, they are trying to appease
about 1% of the population, whilst taking the other 99% for granted
Report salmon spray May 27, 2023 1:18 PM BST
What's the IA stand for? I would hate to look ignorant on twatter.
Report stu May 27, 2023 3:06 PM BST
Into anything? Laugh
Report Wesdag May 27, 2023 3:09 PM BST
intersex asexual
Report salmon spray May 28, 2023 9:54 AM BST
Thanks Wesdaq.
Intersex has me beat though.
Report Cider May 28, 2023 11:09 AM BST
Delightful dancing around this on talking points.

I have no idea if Nick Luck reads this forum. Just in case.

Nice attempt at trying to portray the people raising concerns about this as the knuckle draggers, the screwy face was a nice touch. While referencing the 'chuntering', others accusing the JC of virtue signalling (as if Laugh ), and the term 'woke' being bandied around in the conversation about it. Wow, that's a shocker.

However, yes. You are one of these very people. The 'high status' virtue signallers. Struggling to read out the absurd (latest, subject to change) alphabet soup mnemonic and keeping a straight face (no pun intended).

And the other people on 'the sofa' do what other people in broadcasting or a public profile typically do. Tip toeing around the egg shells to avoid some 'activist' bully on twatter having a pop at them. Oh what wonderful times we live in.
Report Ramruma May 28, 2023 11:20 AM BST
to be fair, some of the objectors are knuckle draggers who have had a fit of the vapours that gay people even exist. The trouble is, these people are counter-productive because they drown out more rational objections that the JC's well-intentioned tent is unlikely to succeed even on its own terms and risks making things worse, even if it does boost the cv's of the virtue-signalling bigwigs who devised this plan.
Report Ramruma May 28, 2023 11:24 AM BST
salmon spray -- I think intersex is what used to be called hermaphrodite: people born with both male and female body parts.
Report stu May 28, 2023 11:25 AM BST
Basically, putting this issue alongside racing is a square peg into a round hole (ooh matron).

Racing has naff all to do with promoting sexual rights and recognition does it? So a blatant attempt at 'showing off' about sex at a race meeting by using a 'big gay/drag etc tent' is about as logical as a Spike Milligan sketch - in fact, come to think of it, he'd have probably loved to have done such as sketch and it would have been seen as ludicrous and rather funny as well!
Report Cider May 28, 2023 11:33 AM BST
It's intellectually ridiculous though, Ramruma. He knows what he is doing. Because masked up antifa types shout in woman's faces, it doesn't mean everyone on the left, or supports gay rights is a fascist. Or all people who care about animals will break into a racecourse and try to stop races. Every position has its unsavoury extremes.

Normal, every day people think this stuff is nuts. Most I would say, if they were able to speak freely. The people who have a 9-5, a family, a semi detached house, one holiday a year and maybe go racing a few times a year as one of their few treats.

Fair enough, if he thinks it's a great idea, make the positive case. Not deliberately smear anyone who doesn't think it's a great idea.
Report stu May 28, 2023 11:41 AM BST
I do think that's a good point cider - there is far too much polemical argument these days, which little debate in between about issues.

Seems like debates are less allowed these days for some reason. I'm neither a massive fan of pc movements, nor do I assume every rights issue is not important - there should be middle ground to debate issues, but there isn't really these days, is there?

It's partly why the tories have kept power so long - they spotted a few polemical positions that were popular (e.g. immigration) and stuck with them to their benefit.
Report Cider May 28, 2023 11:57 AM BST
Smearing is just a lazy (now unfortunately commonplace) tactic to shut down objection. Immigration, since you mention it, is another obvious policy area where that happens. Whichever side you are on, there's a valid case on either side. I feel that the positive case for mass immigration is weak, but it is legitimate to argue for it. I don't feel that those who argue for (or in fact allow it) are nasty, horrible people, just that they are wrong.

This was of course exposed in all the covid stuff, and those of us who always argued from when they were first suggested that lockdowns were terrible and we would pay a heavy price for them were shut down as (take your pick, granny killers, flat earthers, covid deniers, lockdown deniers, yada yada).

What changed in the last couple of decades, and the last few years especially is that there is now only one 'acceptable' position, and if you aren't aligned with that, you are thick, lazy, racist, far right, bigoted, regressive, et al.
Report stu May 28, 2023 12:02 PM BST
Yes, the 'naming' approach is a symptom of polemical argument I agree - you're either a lefty 'wokey' or you're a right wing 'gammon' these days.

I'm neither, so find these arguments very frustrating must admit.
Report stu May 28, 2023 12:06 PM BST
But, at times will agree with some of the points argued by both sides - the concept missing is pluralism, that you don't have to agree with everything on either side of the argument, and are allowed to pick and choose which points you agree on.

I partly blame social media must admit - it's a huge hotbed for promoting the 'pick a banal side' polemical view and shout it constantly on social media at each other...
Report Cider May 28, 2023 12:13 PM BST
It's very difficult to get the unvarnished facts out to joe public. Pretty much anything in the public arena has an agenda. I'm a stats man and statisticians usually take strong pride in presenting data and findings in a neutral way. Covid turned the ONS upside down, and now they are blatantly political. The BBC is a long lost cause. It is depressing.
Report stu May 28, 2023 12:16 PM BST
Totally agree about the beeb yep. I find myself struggling to watch most of their programmes must admit. Sad for such an institution.
Report freddiewilliams June 3, 2023 3:46 PM BST
Anybody see if stewy and formface are in there yet
Report saddo June 3, 2023 5:27 PM BST
Take your heed out of rico's arris and have a look.
Report stu June 5, 2023 12:35 PM BST
So, were there any pics/reports of this supposed great new aspect of racing...?

Or is it just going to be done, and then forgotten about?
Report stu June 10, 2023 10:53 AM BST
So by the tumbleweed around about it (not just on here but anywhere I've seen), I'm guessing it's the latter...?
Report Ramruma June 10, 2023 11:40 AM BST
On the other hand, the rainbow tent clearly did not cause the total collapse of racing that some on here predicted.
Report stu June 10, 2023 11:49 AM BST
Fair claim too ramruma - there can be overreaction in both directions I suppose. Just that it's all a bit pointless to have done in the first place?
Report Cider June 10, 2023 12:11 PM BST
Collapse of racing? Not sure anyone predicted that. Embarrassing, self serving virtue signalling that nobody at the track for the racing would be remotely interested in was my thoughts. I view racing on RTV, it was never mentioned. But this nonsense was on the hill I believe, so nowhere near where the RTV coverage was centred. The only non sport they discussed from my memory was the threats from AR.
Report casemoney June 10, 2023 2:04 PM BST
Plenty more to come When Sir Knee takes the Helm
Report casemoney June 10, 2023 2:06 PM BST
Main push will be to get this mob Access to Kids in School  .
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