Nico.....Oh dear...

Even caught out at the start.

That was truly awful

Good on the steering jobs but so is any of them

Great training performance by the winner 

Should have won, the silver spoon kid blew it

stewy embarrassing himself again..#WAC

Mar 16, 2023 -- 3:59PM, Hayden wrote:

Great training performance by the winner

It was not a great ride. He also gave away a place on Walking on Air when beaten for a gap going to the last. Agree about the winner, I am getting very hopeful of A Plus Tard now.

horse was travelling as well as any..got in too close to 3 out and made a horrific mistake...

stewys blaming nico...you are an absolute embarrassent man.

pocket talking of course..if won £800 on winner.

WAC.

agree nico a bit slow to react at the start but horse never jumped well a lot of crap been said here as per usual.

steve completely gone with his stalking. I hope things get better with his mental health. They usually do if he gets some back up. That aside, he detests winners.

Mat22 16 Mar 23 15:04 
agree nico a bit slow to react at the start but horse never jumped well a lot of crap been said here as per usual.


wd stewy

Made a bad blunder 3 out and did well to stay intact but never started riding it until he knew Blackmore was home and hosed

Made a bad blunder 3 out and did well to stay intact but never started riding it until he knew Blackmore was home and hosed

Should have pulled him up after the bad mistake, absolutely no point giving the horse such a hard ride to finish 2nd. Stupid ride.

Nico looked like his bottle had gone, didnt ever ask for a stride at the fences or give him a kick into them. Very strange...

paul..= another clueless clown

in all truth even when siskin looked  unbeatable he usually needed a bit of pushing along early in his races then  went on  to travel better the further they went, big difference  now is  whisking jumping  is  not really top  class. (clearly jumping cost   it the race today) he wasn't closer up cos he couldn't  lay up or horse may just be becoming a bit tricky.al that said  with a clear round of   jumping he deffo have won

in all truth even when siskin looked  unbeatable he usually needed a bit of pushing along early in his races then  went on  to travel better the further they went, big difference  now is  whisking jumping  is  not really top  class. (clearly jumping cost   it the race today) he wasn't closer up cos he couldn't  lay up or horse may just be becoming a bit tricky.al that said  with a clear round of   jumping he deffo have won

blooming    predictive text!! whisking    should read shiskin

The slow start was a factor and was nico over racing him to get a position, i dont know but I have not seen Shishkin make that many mistakes in a race.

Rico= another forum bully

comms etc getting excited about finishing 2nd, he beat hitman,everythings beats hitman if your anyway near it over the last,about 2 stone below what they thought he was 12 months and a day ago,and barber still saying he,s back

hard to bully an anonymous typer.

Horse barely went a yard today. But he's been like that in 3 of his last 4 races. Maybe he's no longer right. Or maybe he wants a flattish track (at least not an upsy-downsy one like Cheltenham or Sandown). Maybe he also wants 3 miles - they went off at a good pace there and that seemed to unsettle him.

Anonymous typer lol

Could that be its last run at Cheltenham?
3m aintree
King George
Nothing left at chelts for it

nico being interviewed said horse never felt right today..without the 3 out blunder would it have won? debatable,possibly..nico done nothing wrong.

i agree he didnt do anything wrong, the trouble was, he didnt do anything right either. Looked as lethargic as the hoss

was still 5/4 before 3 out..some in this fred must have made plenty?

The issue is why a horse who is bred for 3m+ , has ran like he needs 3m plus, has only just been stepped up to 2m 4f when he is 9 years old. No 10 year old has won the gold cup for 30 years and Henderson now taking of stepping him up to 3m. He was finally fit and they have completely missed the opportunity of winning the Gold Cup . Feel sorry for the horse that his programme over the last 3 years has been so pathetically mapped out.

Perhaps, but even at his best he wouldn't have won the Gold Cup today.

Looking at his total book of rides this week, I am not really a fan. Very weak on Walking on Air and got left on Minella Indo. Mind you, apart from CH. Nicky has a very weak hand this season.

Nicky had a disappointing week - Marie's Rock, Jonbon, Shiskin, Luccia all very well beaten.

Time may prove that Jonbon ran to form but he was about the only one apart from CH and perhaps the one that was third in the Martin Pipe.

Nico DB is not a very good jockey. He rides so many shockers. Henderson is blindly loyal and its costing him.

I just think Shishkin did not enjoy being in among horses, that was the biggest chase field he had run against he is used to being prominent against 4-6 runners.

He got £79,500 for coming second.
Whether without the blunder he would have got to the winner is not certain.

Is he taking him to Liverpool? He’ll be interesting if he does.

Read on here he's going to the Bowl at Aintree. HdB also thinking about it for A Plus Tard. Could be an interesting race, especially if Nicholls has got something for it too.

Shiskin is a faster ground horse he struggles to travel on slow ground. There is often a race that pushes a horse to it’s limit after which they are not the same again.

Coneygree the Gold Cup
Shiskin the Tingle Creek really hard race to beat Energumene
Edwardstone being bottomed in January trying to catch Editeur Du Gite

The weaknesses they could previously overcome come to the surface mentally more after a tougher than tough run.

I should know being a horse psychologist. Had several sessions with them all to discuss this.

Yes, a hard race bottoming a horse is quite common. Altior at Ascot was another. I think one of the things that defines the really great horses is that they can come back from such races and do it again and again (e.g. Desert Orchid, Kauto Star).

Incidentally, Shiskin/Energumene was the Clarence House Chase, not the Tingle Creek.

This hard race stuff needs some understanding.
So Shiskin had a hard race which has finished him, but the second Energumene, had just as hard a race but won its next three races.

I get it now.

All the hype about Galopin Des Champs winning 2 or three Gold Cups is remarkably similar to what we thought and read about A Plus Tard last year. GDC might become a multiple Gold Cup winner but history tells us that he probably won't. Bravemansgame also had the hardest race of his life so we can only hope that he recovers from it.

Horses are all different Dr Crippen (which is kind of the whole point of the sport). Some can't, or won't, go back to the well.

Sage - quite so.

At some point any horse is going to be past its best. It can show in several ways. In Shiskin's case it was that race against Emnergumene where he was getting beaten for speed all up the straight, until after the last where the eventual second called enough.

I'd say Shiskin isn't as good as it was. But that's not to say it can't win big races at the moment.
Shiskin is a nine year old, so it's reasonable to expect his best days are behind him now. As with the majority of horses when they reach that age.
But as you strontiun says ‘’they’re not all the same.’’

A 9 year old NH horse is past it's best ??
Are you having a laugh !!

We have to make allowances for Facts.

He's a leftie. And it shows.