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By:
formoftheace
When: 05 Dec 22 18:52
You couldn’t possibly consider punting the yard….full of lay and place lay….
By:
sageform
When: 05 Dec 22 19:06
They have been poor recently but still showing a level stakes profit for the NH season. I would not back most of them at the moment but come March any horse trained J O'Neill and owned by a certain JP McManus will get close scrutiny from me.
By:
differentdrum
When: 05 Dec 22 20:18
I started this thread over a year ago. I haven't noticed a single entry, but he has recently crept into the Ballymore market at 33/1. It does beg the question as to what Jonjo has been doing with the horse.

https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31735987/johnnywho---irish-point-winner?post_id=561668525#561668525
By:
differentdrum
When: 06 Dec 22 14:25
Another winnerless day as expected. Jamie Brace spent most of the race trying to settle Sacre Coeur, but having kept her in contention the horse could only find the one pace in the straight. She might drop a couple of pounds, but the current tactics are not working, and if they go forward again her jumping is going to be a handicap. Inch House ran a respectable race, but nothing more. The horse was leaning towards the rail up the straight, but instead of trying to straighten him, O'Neill continued to use the whip in his right hand making the situation even worse. Mr Biggs has some size, but no engine.
By:
differentdrum
When: 06 Dec 22 16:45
O'Neill up to 15 losers in a row, and a fair chance assuming they race that will be 17 after tomorrow. It's interesting that for a supposed leading jock he doesn't seem to get outside rides for anyone except McManus. Why might that be?

It's a very poor quality day tomorrow matched by a couple of third division runners for the trainer. Arrivderci, like a few others, appears to have gone backwards. He showed nothing on chase debut, and no obvious reason why he should be winning tomorrow. Cawthorne Lad is a flat bred with plenty of racing done who doesn't look progressive. It looks a case of finding a race bad enough for him to be competitive. Not sure this is it.
By:
differentdrum
When: 07 Dec 22 17:29
No surprises today, no encouragement from Arrivederci, and Cawthorne Lad was closing late which might suggest O'Neill sat too long on the bridle. Trainer and jock both now on a losing run of 17.

Big day tomorrow, at least in a numerical sense, with eight runners split between Warwick and Newcastle.

Beginning at Warwick. Max Kendrick has another day out on Toute Chic. It's not the strongest novice, but Also Known As will need to step up on hurdling debut to even finish in the first six. Betty's Banjo stopped as if shot on her seasonal debut. If you could ignore that dire effort she would have an each way chance at a big price. The market should guide. Kept away from O'Neill Jnr, Manintheshadows has been ridden prominently, and been progressive at a low level. He looks to have every chance on chasing debut. At Newcastle, Blue Shark looks to follow up his surprise Ffos Las win for Jamie Brace. Again he looks to have every chance. Pulled out a month ago, Crebilly looks to have landed on an ordinary novice, but I do wonder whether if he will need a stiffer test. Monbeg Genius was poor on chase debut, and even if he steps up on that, he might find a couple too good. Impatient looks to have found a weaker bumper than the one he was pulled out of the other day.

A couple of obvious duffers, but it will a disappointing if they can't sneak at least one winner.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 07 Dec 22 22:00
Cawthorne Lad caught my eye, would of been a bit upset if i had backed it, going wide, running on late.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 08 Dec 22 09:49
Was some late money for caw,by all accounts this stable is having a larf.
By:
MJK
When: 08 Dec 22 12:54
Crebilly looks like it would have no trouble going up in distance, maybe even better for it.
By:
sageform
When: 08 Dec 22 13:30
Oy Oy. They have retreated to Newcastle but with at 4 well fancied ones. Three down, one to go. JP on a 4 timer perhaps? I have not backed any of them.
By:
Trident
When: 08 Dec 22 14:59
3.35 now on the exchange.. people laying off the multiples I expect?. 6/4 on Sportsbook which you can have a tenner max!
By:
HallGreenSpy
When: 08 Dec 22 15:26
Did one 0f his rags last night 20-1 at Warwick. Another reason to be gutted no he's back in form!
By:
differentdrum
When: 08 Dec 22 16:01
Day in the sun, or promise of more to come?

No doubt these were well placed. The three winners were never far off the pace, a rarity in itself. Blue Shark travelled with plenty of enthusiasm, and looks to have turned a corner. He can win again, and carry on progressing. Crebilly only had the one to beat, and I suspect the McCain horse isn't up to much. Monbeg Genius was able to dictate, and the opposition just fell away. The bumper horse was ridden for a gear that he didn't have.

Assuming racing survives - let's hope as this is the national hunt season after all - three runners tomorrow.

Anyharminasking makes a very quick reappearance, perhaps chasing the ground, and also warming up for the County Hurdle. This looks tougher opposition than last time, but going left handed might suit better. He needs to jump better. Not entirely sure what to expect from Flight Deck. He was all over the place at Aintree, but managed to race prominently before being touched off at Carlisle. Again this looks more competitive, and he might prefer softer ground. At Bangor Half The Freedom swaps a stiff track for a sharp one, and drops half a mile in trip. He faded tamely last time.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 09 Dec 22 17:33
Monbeg Genius is owned by thiefs who stole money from the taxpayer.

The string of revelations appears to have taken its toll on Mone, who announced this week that she was taking a leave of absence from the House of Lords with immediate effect – according to her spokesperson, “in order to clear her name of the allegations that have been unjustly levelled against her”.

The only speck of good news for the peer this week appears to have come in the 1.17pm race at Newcastle on Thursday, won by Monbeg Genius, a horse she bought for her husband as his “second wedding gift”.

The six-year-old gelding, bought for £80,000, was one of a number of acquisitions that Mone and her husband made in the months after they secretly received at least £65m from profits originating from PPE Medpro. In a change of direction, several of those assets are now for sale.
By:
differentdrum
When: 09 Dec 22 18:24
Races with obstacles taken away can be something of a farce. That said it looks as if Anyharminasking has run flat on a swift return. He was progressive before something kept him out last season's Festivals, and he needs to get back on that upward curve.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 11 Dec 22 10:03
Dollar Bae must have a favourites chance in the 2-28, humped 12st to a cosy victory lto.
By:
differentdrum
When: 11 Dec 22 10:41
Thanks for the prompt.

I actually thought Southwell was an all-weather meeting.

Dollar Bae is the obvious one of the three. I still think she would be better over further, and this might be too sharp a test. Ballybough Mary has her second run for the yard having switched from the Twister. He generally raced her on much slower ground. She didn't show much on chase debut, and hopes today rest on this being a weak race. Presumably, Dr Hegarty has his second step towards handicaps.

Looking forward to seeing Arctic Bresil finally make his rules debut at Cork. Shame the third favourite has been pulled.

Good to have two meetings. I suspect we won't be seeing much this week.
By:
differentdrum
When: 11 Dec 22 16:02
Ballybough Mary looks a slow boat. Dr Hegarty never at the races again. Dollar Bae probably won with a touch in hand, but didn't produce the gear the jock keeps expecting.

As ever the significant action was over in Ireland. Arctic Bresil was keen, and ignorant at several hurdles, but he could be pretty smart. I take very little notice of times, but he was 6 seconds faster than the impressive juvenile winner, and carried 12lbs more. Besides Blood Destiny, I thought Impervious showed a nice attitude to take the novice chase. Hopefully, her form doesn't tail off this year. Not sure what O'Regan was doing on Teagarden Jazz in the opener, and I am not sure what O'Brien/Ward were doing in turning a blind eye. Perhaps he might be worth bearing in mind for a Boodles, but it is probably worth bearing he mind she has yet to win under either code.

Fingers crossed we can get something other than the not so all-weather this week.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 11 Dec 22 16:14
..... As you say Dollar Bae looks likely to amake a step up in trip soon, Gme enough win though.

  Getting stopped 20% for a n/r you didnt fancy isnt ideal but a winners a winner.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 11 Dec 22 16:15
* game.
By:
differentdrum
When: 14 Dec 22 17:17
All three Ffos Las possibles were to due to have run at Warwick's abandoned meeting. The same comments apply to Betty's Banjo and Also Known As. I must correct my suggestion that Manintheshadows had been due to make his chasing debut. He had tackled fences at Uttoxeter, and some very ponderous jumping had put him out of contention after just three fences. He didn't get any better, and was pulled up. That was the last time O'Neill Jr was in the saddle.
By:
differentdrum
When: 18 Dec 22 15:06
A few of the stable dregs due out at Lingfield tomorrow. Last time Cawthorne Lad looked as if he would benefit from a step up in trip, and a stronger ride. He gets at least one of the two. On The Bandwagon showed a little more last time, but that was in a much smaller field. Bit surprised Brogan doesn't retain the ride. Also Known As looks outclassed in an above average novice hurdle. Destin D'ajonc was desperate on return, and probably wants softer ground. Punches Cross has shown next to nothing since the stable switch, and has dropped more than 30lbs. Irrespective of the degree of retained ability this trip looks too short, and presumably the idea is to at least try and get him to finish his race off.

Nice to have racing back today. Some pretty iffy rides, most notably from Cooper and Blackmore in the feature. They gave their mounts zero chance of winning. Interesting that Willie wasn't best pleased about Navan not being re-staged. He should try coping with the virtually non existent process over here.
By:
differentdrum
When: 19 Dec 22 16:13
Assuming Ludlow survives, Prince Escalus runs in the feature. Best form leading on sharp right handed tracks, but 6lb above last winning mark, and this might be a tad too competitive.

Very confident ride on Galopin Des Champs. I thought he was a little slow jumping in behind, but improved as the race developed. Appreciate It no more than adequate in the novice chase. The opposition looked weak.
By:
differentdrum
When: 19 Dec 22 18:51
Just noticed that today's bumper winner, Slade Steel, has been given various quotes for the Festival. Most are meaningless, as apparantly, he will stay in the bumpers this season. If a Telescope beats two by Arctic Cosmos I can't help but think it is a very weak race. Hopefully, when he reappears the markets take the opposite view. I wouldn't be taking any price for the Festival Bumper.

Sky are going 20/1 Hermes Allen for the Albert Bartlett. He has looked a very strong stayer, and the race looks perfect for him. If Nicholls committed him he would be around 4/1, possibly even shorter if he wins the Challow. Presumably, Sky have been given a steer that Nicholls no longer believes the longer race is his best option?
By:
differentdrum
When: 20 Dec 22 16:49
Not too bad a performance from Prince Escalus, particularly as he blew the initial start. Strange for a horse that has been doing his winning right handed, that he actually jumps a little to his left.

Disappointing that the Naas feature was marred by the removal of so many flights. We have enough flat racing as it is. I wouldn't give up on Absolute Notions. He should be better over further, but I think the ground was the bigger issue today. Hopefully, they mind him, and he gets better ground in the Albert Bartlett. Later on the card Impaire Et Passe looked Ballymore material for Willie Mullins. He probably beat nothing, but he came away in taking style. I wouldn't too excited about the opening novice chase. They appeared to finish very tired.

Another five due to go to Hereford. Mammies Boy makes his debut in the opener. The family hasn't thrown up anything decent for several years, and this looks a tough ask. Merveillo was poor on hurdling debut, and drops half a mile in trip. He needs to jump much better to be competitive. Yes Indeed was dropped a few pounds for his seasonal debut, but probably needs to drop a few more. Bertie's Bandana was weak in the market, and didn't travel before getting rid of O'Neill last time. He is another who looks too high in the weights. Magic Seven raced wide, but was quite impressive when winning over course and distance. He looks promising, but this is a tougher ask, and I am a bit surprised they haven't claimed 7lbs to offset the penalty. He looks far more of a 5/2 shot than the 13/8 Bet 365 have chalked up.
By:
differentdrum
When: 21 Dec 22 18:44
Nap hand of washing jobs today. Plenty of them failing to see their races out. Yes Indeed might nick one if his jumping ever comes together, but that's big if. I would give another jock a go on him. Magic Seven was much too short in the last and didn't get close to conceding the penalty. The ground was probably softer than ideal, but his limitations were exposed.

Another big day numerically tomorrow with four at Ayr, and two at Ffos Las. Again we are mainly dealing with low grade handicappers. The wind op seems to have sparked up Locks Corner, but you do wonder how long that will last. You didn't see much last time, but it looked as if he needed all of the trip on the soft ground. A drop of rain might help his cause. Are U Wise To That looks opposable on the basis he has been put in very short purely on the subsequent efforts of Attacca. That horse has wised up considerably since his debut. The Walford horse is an interesting debutant. Cobolobo hasn't won for more than two years, is only 3lbs lower than that last winning mark, and stopped as if shot on reappearance. Punches Cross was discussed above having missed a recent engagement. At least this is a more suitable trip. At Ffos Las Rocked Up won a poor Market Rasen novice before disappointing in two handicaps. The step up in trip and softer ground - she is a half sister to Pride Of Lecale - needs to work the oracle. Half The Freedom was disappointing last time. It's not beyond the realms that he could bounce back down in trip in first time cheekpieces.

The opener at Ffos Las is by far the best race of the day. It will be interesting to see if Firestream backs up, and in so doing looks a little more straightforward. Coleman got turned over on Parramount today, and I am sure bookmakers would love to see this one go west as well. Let's hope it doesn't.
By:
sageform
When: 21 Dec 22 21:26
Still woeful stuff from a so called top yard having top class facilities.
By:
differentdrum
When: 22 Dec 22 11:21
Yes, the hat trick now looks a blip. I like to think I am calling it as it is. The big mystery is why owners stand for it. There is just as much money being spent on horses in this yard as there is on those at Skeltons. Nobody in the media calls him out despite the 'cheeky chappie' being as far removed from an open book as you can get. How often is he interviewed?

Today's runners at Ayr appear very weak in market, and the couple at Ffos Las the exact opposite.
By:
differentdrum
When: 22 Dec 22 16:15
Locks Corner saves the day. He briefly looked outpaced, and boxed in turning for home, but he has again seen his race out well. Another boost for Blenkinsop.

Very little to shout about afterwards. Are U Wise To That bungled his way around, and needs to buck his ideas up considerably if he wants to live up to his pedigree. Cobolobo quickly waved a white flag when headed. He didn't go too fast as the winner sat a length off him. O'Neill did his not unusual scrubbing along having got into a bad position on Punches Cross, and it was soon inevitable he was going to pull up. Hard to believe they were daft enough to think they could start him over two miles. At Ffos Las Rocked Up travelled nicely, but lacked a gear in the straight. Half The Freedom shaped as if wanted to go back up in trip, but he looks a horrible ride, and clearly isn't one to trust. The cheek pieces made no difference if the idea was to get him to travel more kindly.

Firestream didn't come close to following up his Chepstow win, instead falling foul of an Evan Williams bookmaker special. That's two point and fire jobs that Coleman has come up well short on in the last two days.

Let's hope everything is on next week. The improving Blue Shark looks the pick of the stable entries over the next few days.
By:
sageform
When: 23 Dec 22 11:01
Yes, Firestream was from my horses to follow and I had a small bet in the morning in case it drifted but it went too short later. Not sure if it underperformed though. The winner could be special. Mr Rucker even agreed to an interview!  My other big fancy was Al Agaila at Lingfield and that did win.
By:
differentdrum
When: 23 Dec 22 12:58
Even though Firestream beat the others and was carrying a penalty I am not sure we saw the same horse as we did at Chepstow. He was much more exuberant there, and saw his race out very well. This time I felt the writing was on the wall three out. Perhaps the ground was softer than ideal, perhaps he isn't that good? I will reserve judgement on the winner until he follows up, or not. Malinas is not a great sire. The third also stepped up markedly having disappointed very badly in Ireland.

I had three bets yesterday, Firestream, and the two Walford winners at Ayr. They were a very good showcase for his talents, as first time over hurdles they both jumped very well.
By:
differentdrum
When: 25 Dec 22 12:03
Five runners tomorrow, none for the stable jock who is at Kempton to ride Champ.

Dana's Gem makes her debut in the mare's novice at Wincanton. A 24,000 3yo from an ordinary family she seems unlikely to figure. A rare ride for Lorcan Williams. Similarly, two for Robbie Dunne at Wetherby. Both could do without rain. Zabeel Champion, in first time cheekpieces, looks by far the pick of the two, but so far he hasn't come close to translating the best of his flat form. As previously suggested the improving Blue Shark looks the best chance of a winner in the last at Fontwell. If he handles the track he has very good prospects of completing the hat trick. Piper Tom completes the nap hand in the Huntingdon bumper. He was purchased for 60,000 having finished third in an Irish point. He went off favourite, and the two that beat him have subsequently shown ability under rules. He looks to have an each-way chance at the general 14/1.
By:
differentdrum
When: 26 Dec 22 16:50
Extremely fortunate each-way punt landed on Dana's Gem. Likely she would finished somewhere between fifth and seventh without the carnage. She showed enough to suggest that she can win a poor mare's novice over further. Both Zabeel Champion and Orrisdale dropped away tamely. Better ground might help. Blue Shark again travelled nicely, and just managed see off the second who had the kitchen sink thrown at him. You wouldn't expect Blue Shark to go up more than a few pounds. There was a little money for Piper Tom, but he was very quickly beating a retreat so either he isn't very good, or there was an issue.

Elsewhere I managed to get the King George totally wrong yet again. That's the second disastrous raid for Blackmore/De Bromhead in those colours. On that evidence Envoi Allen really does look finished. He was always in a poor position, and you shouldn't have to be effectively schooling an 8yo. The best so far from Bravesmansgame, but I think everyone realises this is chalk and cheese to Cheltenham. At least he showed that he can win from behind. Not very impressive from Deutsch. It would have looked even worse had he been in front.

Over in Ireland Lossiemouth was the star of the day. She jumped, travelled, and showed more speed than her rivals. I criticised the 7/2 quote for the Triumph after the last win, but it is hard to argue now. Gerri Colombe looked a smart stayer at Limerick, in fact as good as anything I have seen in that department this season. Can he do it on a quicker surface in March? Kilcruit minus Townend didn't look the same tool.
By:
differentdrum
When: 26 Dec 22 19:04
Eight runners tomorrow, split between Chepstow and Wetherby.

Two in the opening novice hurdle, but it would be a big surprise if either troubled the top two in the market. Preference would be for the unraced French bred as Mr Biggs, although he has the size his name implies, already looks exposed. Saint Davy made heavy weather of winning his bumper, but those who chased him have run well since, and he looks to have every chance in a not overly competitive staying novice. You would hope this test should suit Flight Deck, but he is 4lbs higher than his last winning mark, and he has to concede plenty of weight to a couple of potential improvers. Presumably, Time To Get Up was being prepped for this, but ran a shocker on his reappearance. He is very hard to fancy on that evidence.

At Wetherby, I would be pretty sure that we haven't seen the best of Pride Rock, but I suspect for the time being we will see another similar run tomorrow over an inadequate trip ahead of handicaps. Toute Chic will give the owner's son another run round. Big Ambitions was clueless on debut, but has a nice enough pedigree to figure if he is a good deal straighter for the experience.
By:
second again
When: 27 Dec 22 08:05
Time To Get UP has been lumbered with a few bob EW (7 places) of my money.With the form I am in he will be pulled up.Good luck with any you back.
By:
formoftheace
When: 27 Dec 22 11:04
Horrible yard to follow…or punt..
By:
sageform
When: 27 Dec 22 13:32
Saint Davy was a snip at £270k. Won by about 1 centimetre but unbeaten so could be OK.
By:
sageform
When: 27 Dec 22 14:19
Anyone on a Jonjo treble? Not me.
By:
second again
When: 27 Dec 22 14:27
Nor me.
By:
differentdrum
When: 27 Dec 22 16:50
Never in contention, but a little bit of promise from Inchester D'Amsyl. Likely better to come. As I said elsewhere I thought Saint Davy was beaten. He would have been a very unlucky loser with O'Neill for some reason losing his balance (he also lost balance after jumping the last on Comfort Zone) and irons, and then bungling the last. Horse has done very well to rally, and I would mark him up for the win. Perhaps a tilt at the Leamington Spa with a view to stepping up for the Albert Bartlett might be the route to take. Conditions did suit Flight Deck who produced a personal best. It's a mystery what happened at Aintree, but unfortunately that was a Pertemps Qualifier. Presumably, they will have another bash at qualifying. Much better from Time To Get Up who held every chance until fading from the turn in. Midlands National repeat?

At Wetherby Pride Rock was ridden into the ground. It appears they are doing their level best to make him look useless. Toute Chic was beaten at halfway. Better from Big Ambitions, but he was outpaced by the front three, and will be much better served by 2m4f+ and obstacles.

Elsewhere, no real surprise that Mullins dominated Leopardstown. Dysart Dynamo emerged as a threat to Jonbon, and Facile Vega did what he had to without being impressive. At Limerick where the ground was as bad as ever, Shecouldbeanything impressed in the mare's novice. Over here Edwardstone now has another blip on his record. Where was that Editeur Du Gite when I backing him last season? It's a very strange game at times. Since Bear Ghylls went wrong Nicky Martin has hardly trained a winner, but then along comes the thoroughly exposed The Two Amigos. You couldn't make it up.
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