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04 Aug 22
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You have to look at the team names and colours.
Then you select a team to support.
Wear clothes of the same colour or even better by a scarf and rosette.
Go along to the track, shout for your team and cheer them into the winning enclosure.
They are doing this at six courses so you can follow your team all over country.
Then you select a team to support.
Wear clothes of the same colour or even better by a scarf and rosette.
Go along to the track, shout for your team and cheer them into the winning enclosure.
They are doing this at six courses so you can follow your team all over country.
Ignoring all the crap around it, the racing is pretty competitive and the prize money for the grade of racing is really good.
If you can ignore all the hullabaloo it is alright imhon
If you can ignore all the hullabaloo it is alright imhon
but therein lies the problem - we'd love to ignore the manufactured hullabaloo and welcome the better prize money at this level, however the sideshow will detract from the product which is symptomatic of the BHA leadership (sic) of the industry
no wagon gives a fig about prize money. aw 12 runner hcaps a lousy betting medium.
only good thing is they are all trying
only good thing is they are all trying
What does "no wagon gives a fig about prize money " mean ??
Never new Doncaster wax all weather
Never new Doncaster wax all weather
knew.
they are not interested.
didnt even look at it, assumed it was aw. was it not last time? i dunno or care.
they are not interested.
didnt even look at it, assumed it was aw. was it not last time? i dunno or care.
Who is the they, that are not interested?
I'm not digging you up about the spelling, I honestly don't know what point you are making
I'm not digging you up about the spelling, I honestly don't know what point you are making
How much is Chapman being paid by the organisers to continually talk about it?
It's on their channel, so I would guess the channel is telling him to plug it at every opportunity
Might have to watch with the sound off if the commentator gets into the team naming mode.
All live on itv4 all 7 races handicaps. This is disgusting rubbish only fit for the sheep who listen to the plugging of this nonsense. For mugs only.
You don't even need to watch it - barstool
The Betting Market movements on here - tell you what is leading ... and what has already fallen out of the back of the Telly.
The Betting Market movements on here - tell you what is leading ... and what has already fallen out of the back of the Telly.
I would rather watch Hollyoaks and i fakin hate Hollyoaks.
You could perhaps defend it by saying that it is no worse than 99% of the rubbish served up day in day out. This is always one of the worst weeks of the season - and there are many bad ones - with the Saturday 'highlight' the Shergar Cup. Sadly, there are still people desperate enough to bet on it, so it will inevitably continue unchecked. Who really wants to spend hours looking at races where it comes down to which horse got out of bed the right side, or which jock didn't mess up. Personally, I have just spent the week trying to nick a few quid on the athletics. Not many bookmakers keen to price up - I wonder why?
I will always defend The Shergar Cup we get to see the worlds best jockeys at times....What's not to like?
'World's best jockeys'? Hasn't Hayley Turner won it a couple of times?
You can say that but we have seen some proper Legends in the past.
I remember you posting back in the early 2000's but forget whether it was hunt or flat or both?
No big fan but valuable 0-90s as opposed to class 6 single figure fields? And for acey,the jockeys riding out for the places has to be a bonus!!?
I used to post all the time, and I was addicted back in the early century, but I now visit without regularity and it's like seeing an old bird and thinking, 'What the f...!'
It has to be full of the most negative people in the UK, the level of moaning everyday is off the scale.
Aug 4, 2022 -- 4:51PM, the dealer wrote:
It has to be full of the most negative people in the UK, the level of moaning everyday is off the scale.
Says one who is complaining, whining, whinging, crying, spitting the dummy!
I get it, I'm your go to tonight, no worries keep them coming
Spanking one as soft as you in the brain is not difficult or lengthy, peabean.
Dealer is spentgay, who hunted all his life for a lover and only found his hand and wrist, the poortwat.
He did try with two hands, but had to settle for two little fingers.
Do I want to see a bald and decrepit old man next time?
They've learnt from last year, simplifying the teams and not trying to compete with the Ebor meeting (I reckon they would have had at least one race with less than 7 runners if they had). Also it looks like ARC aren't allowed to over water at the moment 
. The prize money is good.
Still don't see it holding any great appeal, though. And the possibility of Chapman's team winning means I'll have to watch on BFLV.
. The prize money is good.Still don't see it holding any great appeal, though. And the possibility of Chapman's team winning means I'll have to watch on BFLV.
you have to admire enzo for his enthusiasm, if someone gave him a poo with glitter on he'd sound excited, does make the effort that man
I’ve been informed by a friend at Doncaster that there’s not many people there.
Racing League = Total nonsense, and the constant verbals is even worse.
Racing League = Total nonsense, and the constant verbals is even worse. --- It has turned out that way, everything is so amateur. Racing in teams if did properly could be better and even a good betting opportunity. Unfortunately the clowns running the show are clueless and we end up with this crass crap.
Only just put ITV on - in order to see the Mattice Photo Re-Run etc.
Who is the giddy girl in the Red Leggings/Pants and Green Coat ?
- interviewing jockey David Allan, as if he has just scored the Winning goal in the Cup Final
Who is the giddy girl in the Red Leggings/Pants and Green Coat ?
- interviewing jockey David Allan, as if he has just scored the Winning goal in the Cup Final
The 'jokes'/childish jibes (choose your own definition) - appear to be far more important than the racing.
I agree with Honcho and Basil (Blimey!!!) This is nonsense, and is merely tinkering at the edges at its worst.
i don't imagine for a second seasoned racing fans are the target market
Its just crass. Plenty of problems for racing and this is just a waste of an opportunity to get good racing and publicity for the sport on TV midweek. Its a shame really.
What is wrong with just plain coloured shirts?
They look like they have borrowed these from the Premier League.
They look like they have borrowed these from the Premier League.
the similarities with it's a knockout are there, aside from ze germans we're only missing stuart hall and he's prob confined to his house after 7pm
enzo is playing a blinder, he should get a job in pr for the tories
Although I was very sceptical about this, watching tonight has changed my mind. It appears that all
jockeys are trying. The runners aren't there to get a lower OR. Refreshing considering that most
handicaps contain at least half the field of non-tryers
jockeys are trying. The runners aren't there to get a lower OR. Refreshing considering that most
handicaps contain at least half the field of non-tryers
What is wrong with just plain coloured shirts?
They look like they have borrowed these from the Premier League.
and there's your killer question, answer that and you'll have your answer as to what they are trying to do
They look like they have borrowed these from the Premier League.
and there's your killer question, answer that and you'll have your answer as to what they are trying to do
The premier league for fifty quid!!! It was dreadful.
i didn't think the racing was that bad, agree with rog, was fine for in running, the itv stuff you can just ignore if it's not your thing, they should see how it plays out
Any racing with enough prize money can be made competitive. The Sunday series shows that (and its a good initiative). This is dreadful and is no advertisement for the sport. Its childish and complete waste of an opportunity. I'm not against some some of team competition but it needs to be professional and based on promoting the sport. What ever this was it wasn't a good promotion for the sport.
it's one meeting not racing as a whole, they are trying to attract a different demographic
Aug 4, 2022 -- 9:15PM, elise wrote:
it's one meeting not racing as a whole, they are trying to attract a different demographic
100% agree and with your comments above.
Well Elise, this was almost prime time telly. I'm not sure what the demographic was that they were trying to attract, but they would have had to be the type that still like watching Tom and Jerry. Its not one meeting, this is going on for a few weeks and I doubt many that watched will be urging their friends to tune in next time.
many of our demographic, i agree, but the 20 something football boom merchants in the pub who can't read form?
I agree with that. There is an opportunity to attract casual interest in racing and maybe thats what they are after. It seems to me with all the issues around attendance and small fields the amount of money they re putting i to this could be better utilised. Its mental they had 3 evening meetings tonight. Surely they should have just had Donny and a far better version of what we had. Team racing could be good for all of us. More competitive racing, lots of opportunity for betting shop punters, high profile races for owners etc. This attempt at it won't do too many much good,
It's basically a bookies benefit. The Golden Goose is almost extinct, very little of it left,fleeced by the bookies, and greedy or/and corrupt or incompetent racing bodies.
S De Souza intimated as much in his interview today,about his move to Hong Kong, BETTER prize money, which inevitably leads to better racing,better horses and British racing is getting left behind unfortunately.
S De Souza intimated as much in his interview today,about his move to Hong Kong, BETTER prize money, which inevitably leads to better racing,better horses and British racing is getting left behind unfortunately.
Cheap to get in https://www.arenaracingcompany.co.uk/TheSun "Get in on all the action with the Family Package, which includes 2 adult tickets and admission for up to 6 children, for just £9.50! This package must be purchased is 48 hrs in advance of Racing League fixtures. "
Didn't see many supporters dressed in their team colours last night.
Didn't see many supporters dressed in their team colours last night.
70 odd posts in and no-one has really nailed the problem here. This nonsense will not sell horse racing in the way that lights a fire in a certain mindset. Today's diehard racing audience was forged in the mid to late 20th century when there was no fanfare, no pictures and no "manufactured fun". It was always about the secrecy. The ducking and diving and the characters. The intrigue of reading between the lines to win a few quid. It's the darkness and the danger that sold racing to the masses. Working out what's off, and why today. Or tracking a horse for a target and being proved right. And it was absolutely bloody wonderful.
A 0-90 handicap with "points" to play for in team shirts, is anathema to the essence of racing's appeal.
Unfortunately, it's gone for ever. When will the market men get it?
A 0-90 handicap with "points" to play for in team shirts, is anathema to the essence of racing's appeal.
Unfortunately, it's gone for ever. When will the market men get it?
I remember similar comments regarding concert nights, ladies days, student days etc they will never be accepted by racing purists but they bring in much needed income. The golden generation of punters is going and won't be replaced,
The betfair forum with a hard core of serious punters will never accept such radical change
The betfair forum with a hard core of serious punters will never accept such radical change
didnt even look at it, assumed it was aw
This elegantly sums up this thread - minds made up beforehand, doesn't matter what is tried the responses will be the same and utterly brain dead - how long has thee been an aw track at Donny? Of course what racing needs is to attract old farts that still think it's the 1960's when even though everything was crappier those rose tinted specs kick in. As has been said competitive ew handicaps where most are trying their best for decent prize money in a format to try to attract new people, ignore the league stuff and just concentrate on the racing , is it really that hard?
This elegantly sums up this thread - minds made up beforehand, doesn't matter what is tried the responses will be the same and utterly brain dead - how long has thee been an aw track at Donny? Of course what racing needs is to attract old farts that still think it's the 1960's when even though everything was crappier those rose tinted specs kick in. As has been said competitive ew handicaps where most are trying their best for decent prize money in a format to try to attract new people, ignore the league stuff and just concentrate on the racing , is it really that hard?
I think they should just have team colour caps. Let the silks be in the normal colours. Helps to recognise the horses even for new viewers when they race again.
the dealer - don't dispute the 'short term' gain of music nights, ladies days etc BUT this is the route greyhound tracks went down and we all know where the 'six for' led
some of the 'golden generation' are still around and going racing far and near just as often as before, but carefully avoiding all the gimmicks and crazy summer saturdays
spkyer - yes my mind made up beforehand, you don't need to put your hand in a fire to know that it burns, anything with chapman and his like heavily involved is always going to be an ego trip and a pantomime and it's a crying shame the money and airtime (somehow found!) weren't directed to expanding the sky sunday series for example, which provides decent prize money for the grade, larger fields and competitive racing (I went to Musselburgh twice and Hamilton once for their days and very enjoyable although nowhere near a winner at Hamilton!)
racing is going down a one way street, it has fallen foul of marketing people who are always looking for a new edge or trend, all they actually need to do is provide value for money in respect of admission prices, facilities and particularly concession stands which are a rip off of epic proportions AND most important of all, decent cards with a spread of quality and distances etc far too many cards are dominated by Class 5/6 sprint handicaps
i think the poster you quoted has issues
some of the 'golden generation' are still around and going racing far and near just as often as before, but carefully avoiding all the gimmicks and crazy summer saturdays
spkyer - yes my mind made up beforehand, you don't need to put your hand in a fire to know that it burns, anything with chapman and his like heavily involved is always going to be an ego trip and a pantomime and it's a crying shame the money and airtime (somehow found!) weren't directed to expanding the sky sunday series for example, which provides decent prize money for the grade, larger fields and competitive racing (I went to Musselburgh twice and Hamilton once for their days and very enjoyable although nowhere near a winner at Hamilton!)
racing is going down a one way street, it has fallen foul of marketing people who are always looking for a new edge or trend, all they actually need to do is provide value for money in respect of admission prices, facilities and particularly concession stands which are a rip off of epic proportions AND most important of all, decent cards with a spread of quality and distances etc far too many cards are dominated by Class 5/6 sprint handicaps
i think the poster you quoted has issues
First Liv golf now this...there will be a breakaway horse racing league next
@steerforth
"Today's diehard racing audience was forged in the mid to late 20th century when there was no fanfare, no pictures and no "manufactured fun"...A 0-90 handicap with "points" to play for in team shirts, is anathema to the essence of racing's appeal."
That's the whole point surely? Racing's appeal came when it was the only legal thing to bet on (yes, I know 1980s bookies took football bets, ish, but) so there was an incentive to learn it. Given that pretty much every male in the case country "knows" football and the bookies offer betting on it, why would an 18yo learn an alien sport just to get a bet on?
The Romans went wild for chariot racing; they did not follow form or study pace, they supported the Reds or Greens or Blues or Whites - why not see if we can get a young audience to do the same for Flat racing?
"Today's diehard racing audience was forged in the mid to late 20th century when there was no fanfare, no pictures and no "manufactured fun"...A 0-90 handicap with "points" to play for in team shirts, is anathema to the essence of racing's appeal."
That's the whole point surely? Racing's appeal came when it was the only legal thing to bet on (yes, I know 1980s bookies took football bets, ish, but) so there was an incentive to learn it. Given that pretty much every male in the case country "knows" football and the bookies offer betting on it, why would an 18yo learn an alien sport just to get a bet on?
The Romans went wild for chariot racing; they did not follow form or study pace, they supported the Reds or Greens or Blues or Whites - why not see if we can get a young audience to do the same for Flat racing?
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