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Tyrannitar
26 Jun 22 15:07
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I received an email from Unibet Friday 24/6/22 saying that they were processing my withdrawal of £708. I did not request this withdrawal and they are saying that it has been sent by Bank Transfer to an account in my name - they will not give me the account details.
I definitely did not request this withdrawal and nobody else has access to my account or it's related password. There must be some kind of security breach so please do not leave much money in your Unibet account until I can give updates. It does not seem safe atm.

This thread was initially posted on the General Betting Forum but I was advised to bring it over to here for help...

Thanks in advance
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Report casemoney June 26, 2022 3:12 PM BST
Plain
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 26, 2022 3:20 PM BST
Something similar happened to a friend with another bookie.  Someone hacked into his account and lost the balance deliberately at poker to the hacker.  He requested all the data on his account under GDPR and it showed the IP where the money transfer was done.  He put the IP into a tracker and it was right by someone at the bookies Head Office, so it was an inside job and he got his money back eventually after 6 months
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 26, 2022 3:25 PM BST
The GDPR  may also require them to give the bank details.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 3:29 PM BST
Thank you for your help and advice.

Unibet aren't taking this seriously at all.
Report impossible123 June 26, 2022 3:33 PM BST
'Tyrannitar', I hope you get your money back with a sincere apology. It's despicable how one's money can go missing willy-nilly.

As such, rule no 1: Never trust bookies. Even their reps on air speak with forked-tongues. And, those behind the keyboard in plush buildings/offices are a law unto themselves.

Unibet, the Champion Hurdle sponsor? Never!
Report swiftynifty June 26, 2022 3:37 PM BST
Tyrannitar, is that normal procedure to get an email re. withdrawals?
Report the dealer June 26, 2022 3:39 PM BST
It never happens that people give their log in details to someone else, lose the money and then claim it wasn't them.

Good luck to the OP in getting his money
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 3:46 PM BST
After being at this for 20 years I still get to be shocked by the treatment of customers by bookies. I have had the full spectrum of **** customer services over the years but, fair play, Unibet have stolen the show here.

" it is ultimately your responsibility to ensure you keep your
passwords and devices safe and secure..."

was the comment from their customer services advisor.

I had notified them as soon as I saw the email saying that "Your withdrawal is on it's way" (around 1 hour of receipt). Instead of simply stopping the withdrawal as I asked (via Bank transfer, obviously to an account that I have never deposited from) they went ahead and sent my entire account funds...
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 3:48 PM BST
swiftynifty - Yes, I do normally get emails from Unibet when I withdraw money.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 3:49 PM BST
These were simply funds in my account. If I had gambled them away that would show on my history.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 3:50 PM BST
Dear Jamie,

We have approved the below withdrawal and it has now left your Unibet account.

It can take from a few hours to 3 working days for you to receive the money, depending on your bank or e-wallet's processing times. You can check these on the Withdraw Money page, or by searching for your withdrawal method in the Help Centre.

If you haven't received your withdrawal after 3 working days, please get in touch with your bank or payment provider.

Date: 2022-06-24 13:34
Amount: 708.00 GBP
Payment via: Bank transfer
Transaction ID: 1927619357

Kind regards,
The Unibet Team
Report the dealer June 26, 2022 3:55 PM BST
The account you do use, has more money been deposited than withdrawn?
Report greedkillsmybankagain June 26, 2022 3:56 PM BST
Unibet always email u when a withdrawal.
Most don't
If had of been any other firm
When would u have realised?
Report greedkillsmybankagain June 26, 2022 3:58 PM BST
In this day when firms are restricting
How much someone deposit s per month
People don't want to withdraw
And this could happen
Report The Management June 26, 2022 4:01 PM BST
It's a sad reflection of the times we live in - but if you want any kind of customer service these days after you have been robbed/lied to/fobbed off or scammed by a corporation - you need to get on social media and do them some damage.

You can spend weeks/months getting nowhere with faceless minimum wage monkeys in some far flung foreign "contact" centre without any joy - but 10 minutes after you (accurately) do them some serious reputational damage on the interweb, miraculously some human being will get in touch with you and right all their wrongs.

Good luck - give them hell!
Report the dealer June 26, 2022 4:01 PM BST
It definitely could but I don't know any of them that you can withdraw to a new account, if you had a negative balance on any other card.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:02 PM BST
greedkillsmybankagain - yes, that's why I left the money there.

I would have realised when I signed in to my Unibet account - I keep track of my account balances (roughly)
Report second again June 26, 2022 4:02 PM BST
Can you withdraw to an account that you have not made a deposit from?I have always thought that was a rule.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:04 PM BST
Unfortunately, I don't really have an online presence - I use twitter once in a while.

I have reviewed them on Trustpilot but my **** review just goes at the bottom of a long line of other **** reviews !!
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 26, 2022 4:04 PM BST
shocking Jamie.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:05 PM BST
Can you withdraw to an account that you have not made a deposit from?I have always thought that was a rule ?

SO DID I !!
Report the dealer June 26, 2022 4:05 PM BST

Jun 26, 2022 -- 4:02PM, second again wrote:


Can you withdraw to an account that you have not made a deposit from?I have always thought that was a rule.


I didn't think you could

Report the dealer June 26, 2022 4:07 PM BST
I'm astounded they let that happen. So poor on many ways
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:12 PM BST
Meanwhile, someone out there has opened an account of some kind in my name. Unibet have these details and are not passing them on to me so I can notify them that my identity has been stolen.

Really worrying Scared
Report The Management June 26, 2022 4:14 PM BST
Tyrannitar - all you really need is an e-mail, the cc function and a bit of research to find some e-mail addresses for people with a bit of influence.

Have a look at all the crap they sponsor, start writing to some of the people they sponsor and copy them in. Explain what happened to you (keep it truthful and accurate) and enquire as to whether that is the kind of business they want their brand to be associated with. You might be surprised how quickly they get back to you!
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:15 PM BST
What with all the account limits/closures, scams and useless customer service I feel that this fantastic journey that I have been on for 20 years - earning my money from betting - is truly coming to an end.

Asda trolley parking for me...
Report the dealer June 26, 2022 4:16 PM BST
If all true, there are a few suggestions above that should help you out.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:16 PM BST
TheManagement - that's really helpful. Thank you.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:18 PM BST
the dealer - I can assure that this is all true. 100%. I am not sure how I can prove that to you.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:20 PM BST
Hi Unibet,

I have not requested any withdrawals recently.

Have Unibet initiated this withdrawal or has somebody hacked my account.

The card I use for Unibet ends 7440 ?

Please get back to me ASAP.

Yours sincerely,

Jamie Pashley


That was my email I sent them once I had found the withdrawal email. I had no response from this so I contacted them via live chat. I have kept the transcript of that chat.
Report the dealer June 26, 2022 4:25 PM BST
I'm not saying it's not but it is the betfair forum.

Good luck I hope you get your cash back
Report The Management June 26, 2022 4:26 PM BST
I have a mate who has a personal best of 7 minutes as a response time -  He got the £280 that was stolen from him and £100 "goodwill" - that was a Covid testing business at the Airport. He copied in half of the cabinet, the head of the BMA, BBC Watchdog, Martin Lewis and the Mayor of London. They were 100% in the wrong and having spent 3 weeks previously getting fobbed off and lied to (hours on hold, plus getting repeatedly cut off after hours on hold) - the director of customer care called him on a number that he wasn't even aware he had given them, 7 minutes after he pressed the send button!

^ That's a bit OTT - but you get the picture - don't get mad, get even! GL.
Report impossible123 June 26, 2022 4:28 PM BST
Social media and email the head honcho of Unibet and naming the individuals you've been dealing with. Very soon the manager of the department concerned will swiftly and courteously respond.

With bookies one's to hit back hard and swift. They are the vermin, scumbags the majority of them.

I hope the eagerly awaited Affordability Check and new Betting and Gaming Act will eradicate the sharp practices and wanton abuse of punters by bookies.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 4:31 PM BST
The final pishtake for me was, when I reported this to the Police via Action fraud their reply was

"You have indicated within your report that the misuse of your personal details or that of a company trading style played a part in the matter you are reporting. The use of another person’s identity, often referred to as identity theft, is not a police recordable crime."

WTF !!!

One way of keeping the crime rate down for Govt figures I suppose - don't count crimes as crimes.Angry
Report Cider June 26, 2022 4:49 PM BST
Tyrannitar

If this is true as you've laid it out, and no reason to think it isn't, Unibet won't necessarily be at fault, if someone has successfully managed to impersonate you.

Your challenge is to be able to get into touch with someone who knows what they are talking about.

I wouldn't bother on a Sunday evening, raise it as a complaint tomorrow in office hours.
Report Kardman June 26, 2022 4:49 PM BST
Hey up Jamie sorry to hear you've had this hassle. But if you look back thru this thread you will see that you have revealed your full name, the fact that you are a long term gambler, so we can presume you've got a few bookies accs & your debit card ends in 7440. Just saying....
Report JPSER June 26, 2022 5:03 PM BST
I dont really understand how this can happen after the banks changed it last year so the account numbers had to match up with your name. So someone has made a seperate bank account in your name, and given these details to unibet for the withdrawal?
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 5:06 PM BST
It seems that way
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 5:08 PM BST
I have emailed Henrik Tjarnstrom the CEO of Unibet and cc'd MP for gambling, Gambling Commission, Martin Lewis and Watchdog. I'll see if that has any effect.
Report JPSER June 26, 2022 5:17 PM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfAdux3XidM
Report onlooker June 26, 2022 5:45 PM BST
Excuse the 'naive' - but serious - question ...

How can 'Somebody' Open a Bank Account - in 'Your (or any other person's name) - without providing PROOF of WHO you claim you are?

Thought that would be practically impossible - given Bank's (so-called) New Account Rules - be it just a run of the mill Bank Account.

Don't shoot me - I am merely intrigued.
Report Daryl Revok June 26, 2022 6:09 PM BST
Give frontline C.S three chances to make it right, and then bump it up to the top table. Anything else is madness.
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 6:10 PM BST
So am I.

That's why I need the information of that account from Unibet.

If someone out there has an account in my name who knows what they will do ? Credit cards ? Loans ?
Report Tyrannitar June 26, 2022 6:14 PM BST
I have not lost any of my cards etc...not ever.

I applied for a paasport earlier this year...

I am scratching my head as to how anybody could get hold of my information. I live alone with my dog - and I don't think she has done this.

I really need to know where the Bank Transfer has been sent to as this might give me at least some form of clue.
Report impossible123 June 26, 2022 6:15 PM BST
I think credit rating agencies could furnish one with info regarding any loan or hp in process or taken out. But, never trust bookies. They pedal crack cocaine of betting and promote offers to the hilt for losers, problem gamblers and addicts. Bookies have no scruples, end of!
Report Thegamestraightlol June 26, 2022 7:25 PM BST
I had similar odd transaction balance gambled and lost on poker like at 3am, got money back after a week think inside job.Keep chasing it up.
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 26, 2022 7:26 PM BST
"I am scratching my head as to how anybody could get hold of my information."  Could be an inside job as was the case with my friend.  Could be an internal error mixing up 2 accounts with the same name.  I can recall being logged in to someone else's completely random account once on Betfair due to a technical issue so these things can happen.
Report impossible123 June 26, 2022 7:33 PM BST
'CLYDEBANK29', that's scary. It's never happened to me before. I hope it never does!
Report Senyatta June 26, 2022 8:15 PM BST
think you can always withdraw via bank transfer regardless of the net deposits rule. they couldn't have tried this with a random card. my guess is the hacker simply gave his own bank account details and used the OPs name when filling in the details. keep calm when messaging them OP and hopefully unibet will sort this in a timely manner
Report CLYDEBANK29 June 26, 2022 8:22 PM BST
impossible it happened to loads of users at the same time.  Maybe 10-15 years ago
Report JPSER June 26, 2022 8:25 PM BST
the problem is, that when you put through a bank transfer, if the account number you are sending the money to doesnt match the name then it pops up with a warning that the account name doesnt match the account number. if Unibet have continued with the transaction after that then thats pretty shocking really on their part
Report Kentish Man June 26, 2022 8:27 PM BST
I had my account with Coral reduced from about forty pound to pence without me using it. The bets were losing casino ones and I have never ever been a casino user. Still trying to get my money back.
Report Senyatta June 26, 2022 9:03 PM BST
I think once the OP received the email it was already too late and the money had left unibet's end. if you can find the time of withdrawal request in your account you will probably see it was made about 2-3 hrs before your email which explains why they were so unhelpful as the money was already gone
Report Ramruma June 27, 2022 9:05 AM BST
CALL THE POLICE. By OP's account, the money was stolen, not accidentally sent to the wrong account. This is what the police are for. We should not rely on social media shaming to counter theft.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 27, 2022 9:51 AM BST
........    The final pishtake for me was, when I reported this to the Police via Action fraud their reply was

"You have indicated within your report that the misuse of your personal details or that of a company trading style played a part in the matter you are reporting. The use of another person’s identity, often referred to as identity theft, is not a police recordable crime."
Report Trident June 27, 2022 10:42 AM BST
If your bookmaker doesnt have TWO FACTOR AUTHENTICATION (everyone reading this turn it on now everywhere )  I would close my account down immediately.
Report greedkillsmybankagain June 28, 2022 2:11 PM BST
Finds out ure login and password.
Then opens bank account in ure name.
To withdraw by bank transfer to an account
Like a savings not connected to ure bank card
Any news tyran
Report Tyrannitar June 28, 2022 3:48 PM BST
Dear Jamie,

This is a notification that your recent withdrawal of £708.00 has been cancelled and the money returned to your betting account.

The withdrawal was denied by our payment provider. Please make sure that your withdrawal details are correct and complete and request another withdrawal.

Kind regards,

The Unibet Team




Obviously I did not request a withdrawal but at least the money is back now - is it pure coincidence that, as of this morning, my local Police (Glos) are treating this as a crime and are investigating...?
Report Tyrannitar June 28, 2022 3:49 PM BST
I want to thank the community here for the support and advice.

This is obviously not the end of this but at least the money is back
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 28, 2022 3:51 PM BST
Good News. Happy
Report greedkillsmybankagain June 28, 2022 4:02 PM BST
Well-done
Report Boogie Cat June 28, 2022 4:02 PM BST
great news but youve probably lost 1 year of your life, stress relatedExcitedExcited
Report second again June 28, 2022 4:04 PM BST
Glad you have your money back.
Report Tyrannitar June 28, 2022 4:09 PM BST
"great news but youve probably lost 1 year of your life, stress relatedExcitedExcited"

Absolutely !!
Report BigDeal June 28, 2022 4:58 PM BST
Good to hear this.  Also good to know the intermediary payment processors are doing their due diligence.   Assuming you are staying with them, I would suggest you consider opening a brand new account with them i.e. dis-associate yourself from any account numbers / names you currently use. It's not fool-proof because obviously you still have to use some of your info, but is a sensible step nonetheless.
Report s.kenbo June 28, 2022 6:25 PM BST
A good result. Am I right in thinking that the money was bounced around and then returned, rather than Unibet actually listening to you and recovering it?
Report greedkillsmybankagain June 28, 2022 6:30 PM BST
Betfair.pp,sky,366,whil.laddies,coral
None if these email when a withdrawal
Report impossible123 June 28, 2022 6:59 PM BST
I'm glad the money is back in your account; £708 is a large sum for a bookie account to go awol. Now, bite the bullet and open one with another bookie with a history of representation on the high street. Something incredibly dodgy had happened no doubt someone was trying it on.

Bin Unibet. Once bitten, twice shy.
Report Tyrannitar June 28, 2022 7:35 PM BST
I'm not keen on using Unibet any more but...I already have an extremely large volume of ante-post World Cup bets with them. I have been buying WC bets are there since January Crazy
Report Tyrannitar June 28, 2022 7:41 PM BST
Yes, the money just bounced back - Unibet did nothing to stop this. Really useless Customer Services. They said that they were investigating this yet they didn't even know that the money had been returned to my account until I told them.

...and I wish I could more prominent bookmakers but my accounts are limited to incredibly small, if any, bets - ie pennies.
Bet365, BetVictor, Betfred, Ladbrokes, Corals, ****, William Hill all closed my accounts completely
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 29, 2022 12:20 PM BST
It's when you've been effectively barred by all the names on that list, and you find yourself clicking on outfits with names like Unibet, that you know the game is up. Just walk away. At some point you're going to be ripped off or welshed on by one of these online jokers, and that will cancel out whatever profit you might make by getting 20/1 about 14/1 shots.
Report Tyrannitar June 30, 2022 9:11 AM BST
Yeah, I think you're right. I have been trading on Betfair since the noughties (we all remember how easy it was to earn on Betfair in those days) and at one stage was invited up to their Manchester offices for a bit of fine tuning as I had been picked by them to become an area representative - helping new customers to learn how to use Betfair. It was supposed to be a 'big thing' and I would be earning a percentage of the LIFETIME spend of each new customer that I trained. I became the Gloucestershire trainer for Betfair. All was rosy. Then the Betfair structure changed somehow and the whole idea was scrapped.
These days I can't get more than a few quid on with any bookie (bar one) and once I get restricted on that one the game is pretty much up. It has been an amazing time though - I was a (fairly) young man when I started, living in a rented house with my 4 sons and wife and labouring on building sites. Due to going full-time on Betfair I own my own home and live a really comfortable life with a share of a couple of small businesses.
Ups and downs yes but TFF Betfair.
Just about time to concentrate on other things though.

Once again, many thanks to all the forumites who have added advice and support over my Unibet issue. I shan't be leaving money in accounts from now on.

Jamie
Report Trident June 30, 2022 11:16 AM BST
Glad you got your money back. May I strongly suggest( if you havent done already) You change all your passwords everywhere to unique long passwords. And turn on Two Step Authencation everywhere you can. ( and everyone who has followed this thread)

Betfair have had Two Factor as an option for years now- You would be amazed how many dont turn it on.( Google are doing the correct thing and turning on two factor for users as default.

If the problem was someone inside Unibet, who knows what other information and personal details they have collected.

Hopefully passwords are coming to an end with, FIDO2 Passwordless Authentication. But this is maybe 10 years off.........
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk June 30, 2022 1:07 PM BST
You must have Two Factor, agreed
Sorry to say sensitive information is too tempting for bookmaker staff and hackers
Report The Management June 30, 2022 1:20 PM BST
tyrannitar - pleased to hear you got your money back.

And they (The Racing Post) wonder why people are turning to the "the black market" Laugh - when you can't have a bet with any of the established high street names (accounts closed or restricted) and all the peripheral scum that have sprung up (just to cash-in on slots and casino games) are of the same ilk as Unibet!

Anyway, glad it worked out for you.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 1, 2022 2:16 PM BST
Glad you got your cash back.  I would still request the personal data on your account under GDPR and check the IP addresses that have accessed your account.
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