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17 Jun 22 22:06
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Thady surely less than 18 months from being sole name on the licence.  Frankie sounds like he won’t even make it even that long as stable no.1.

Who gets it ?  Bound to be a young buck on the rise .. Harry Davies ? Snowy De La Sayette ?

I mean they regard themselves as stable no1 in England do job is up probably top 3 after Balydoyle/ Godolphin.

Would James Doyle slot in ?? Would they be able to coax C Keane? ( even tho coolmore couldn’t pry him from Lyons cold dead hands )

Won’t be long til we know. Frankies time is over.
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Report penzance June 19, 2022 8:37 PM BST
Rode a fav,Gymnaste, @ R.Ascot few years back
Report salmon spray June 19, 2022 8:41 PM BST
Must be Rab surely.
Report impossible123 June 19, 2022 9:27 PM BST
Hollie as a jockey I can wholly accept. Thady as my trainer? Maybe not given the plentiful supply of trainers to choose from.

I hope Hollie gets her chance to be stable jock for a large powerful stable soon. A stable jock needs to be good at debrief too.
Report acey deucy June 19, 2022 10:20 PM BST
Sparrow my friend recons Josephine rode at least one Winner for Gosden and had a few rides for him.
Report sparrow June 19, 2022 10:28 PM BST
Thats hardly all over her then, acey.  I was following her from a 7lb claimer with Stan Moore right up to the season when she had over 100 winners and it couldn't have been more than a few rides for Gosden.
Report Ramruma June 20, 2022 12:00 AM BST
Shame about JoGo who was going places until she wasn't. Likewise Sammy Jo Bell.
Report brigust1 June 20, 2022 9:28 AM BST
Gosden snr added playfully: "I'm very proud, as Thady is, because it's the youth team that are obviously taking over here. It's quite obvious I'll be surplus to requirements quite soon, and it'll be the youth with Hollie and Thady". Racing Post.
Report PHS June 20, 2022 9:44 AM BST

Jun 20, 2022 -- 9:28AM, brigust1 wrote:

Gosden snr added playfully: "I'm very proud, as Thady is, because it's the youth team that are obviously taking over here. It's quite obvious I'll be surplus to requirements quite soon, and it'll be the youth with Hollie and Thady". Racing Post.

Already posted 5:09 yesterday.

Report brigust1 June 20, 2022 10:52 AM BST
Thank you PHS. I will be more on my guard in future.
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 23, 2022 12:46 PM BST
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Frankie aint gone yet but I'd like to see
Hollie Doyle given a chance with a powerful

Report acey deucy June 23, 2022 1:07 PM BST
No mounts from Gosden at Newmarket on Saturday rides shared between Hollie and Rab.Shocked
Report jonjon June 23, 2022 1:18 PM BST
It’s happening.

James Doyle the early front runner for the job gets the G3 mount.

And to add insult to severe traumatic injury. RAB gets the call up in the listed ?? 

That’s the final bullet then shirley
Report acey deucy June 23, 2022 1:23 PM BST
Yes it's the end for Frankie.Plain
Report swiftynifty June 23, 2022 1:33 PM BST
I feel it's Frankie's arrogance in recent times of just hand-picking the big days and races and then lacking sharpness, which will cost him the job.
Report prince monolulu June 23, 2022 1:40 PM BST
The moral of the story..........Don't bite the hand that's been feeding you (the horses).
Report wondersobright June 23, 2022 1:43 PM BST

Jun 23, 2022 -- 1:33PM, swiftynifty wrote:

I feel it's Frankie's arrogance in recent times of just hand-picking the big days and races and then lacking sharpness, which will cost him the job.

seen his other side with that incident with dylan on champions day...nasty piece of work

Report impossible123 June 23, 2022 2:09 PM BST
Dettori did not have a good Ascot - a very rare occurrence. However,  I'm sure AOB will give Dettori a few rides at prestigious meetings post this fallout; Dettori could even be in opposition against vindictive Gosden and beat trial jockeys.

This fallout between jockey and trainer is pretty common. It's only a sport. I'm sure big owners and stables will still use Dettori on big races esp the French.
Report DancingBraveTheBest June 23, 2022 2:24 PM BST
Not Rab surley......a horse that only just stays the 10 furlong trip and he rushes it up to force the pace.....incredible really imo.
Report johnnyrant June 23, 2022 2:24 PM BST
When you prepare such a special, one-in-a-million horse like Stradivarius to peak for the most important & prestigious G1 of his season, the Ascot GC, for 2 years running only to see Frankie completely blow it, Gosden understandably annoyed & expressed his disappointment. He did his job, Frankie didn't do his. You can say Dettori was unlucky on the filly in the Epsom Oaks but he has had a poor season by his high standards. How many winners has he actually ridden? It's a shame cos he's been great for the sport but the poor tactical, or 'unlucky' rides in big races are mounting up. Pyledriver another one in Dubai off the top of my head. Saga he would have won on last week if he was riding with more clarity and confidence. Pretty poor on Sunray Major at Haydock too. Dettori seemed to spend most of the GC looking around and worrying about what others were doing rather than staying calm and focused on riding Strad.
Benoit is an excellent young jockey and as long as he doesn't get sidetracked I think he is destined for the top.
Report wondersobright June 23, 2022 2:25 PM BST
there's another 1 that needs to retire ASAP...havlin
Report HallGreenSpy June 23, 2022 2:25 PM BST
Scratch Rab! Laugh
Report wondersobright June 23, 2022 2:28 PM BST
Report EVILROYSLADE June 23, 2022 2:33 PM BST
Gosden has a very short memory. Granted, the ride on Strad wasn't the best, but I doubt he would have won anyway. If, as expected he drops Frankie, I have no doubt he will have to be ready for a sting in the tail in future contests People need to look at some of the appalling rides Ryan Moore has dished up in the past, only to prove the doubters wrong, and come back all guns blazing.Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Report DancingBraveTheBest June 23, 2022 2:37 PM BST
Count Harry Davies out after that side to the other and back againSad
Report HallGreenSpy June 23, 2022 2:42 PM BST
Agree with all that evil apart from whether he would have won or not. All conjecture, but I think he wold have.
Report mrcombustible June 23, 2022 2:46 PM BST
Dettori misses out on Gosden mounts at Newmarket as Doyle and Havlin called up
Frankie Dettori will not be riding for John Gosden on Saturday
Frankie Dettori will not be riding for John Gosden on Saturday
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By David Milnes, Newmarket correspondent
UPDATED 2:17PM, JUN 23 2022
Frankie Dettori will not be riding for trainers John and Thady Gosden at Newmarket on Saturday, despite being in action for Ralph Beckett on the card, after losing the mounts on Sunray Major and Stowell.

Dettori has ridden Sunray Major, a half-brother to Kingman, in all bar one of his eight starts but has been replaced by James Doyle for the Group 3 House of Cavani Criterion Stakes (3.15).

Stowell, whom Dettori rode at Royal Ascot last week, will be partnered by Robert Havlin, who also rides Mimikyu for the Gosdens at Newmarket. Dettori has one ride on Lezoo in the Listed Maureen Brittain Memorial Empress Fillies' Stakes for trainer Ralph Beckett.

The absence of Dettori on any Gosden-trained runners comes a week after a public outburst by John Gosden following the defeat of Stradivarius in the Gold Cup at Royal Ascot.

Gosden had initially lamented the tactics employed by Dettori in dropping back through the field and having to switch wide in the straight on Stradivarius having been short of room. In response to the defeat, the eight-year-old's owner-breeder Bjorn Nielsen said: "You can't blame the horse here."

Frankie Dettori was criticised for his ride on Stradivarius (right) in last week's Gold Cup
Frankie Dettori was criticised for his ride on Stradivarius (right) in last week's Gold Cup
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The former champion trainer then doubled down on his criticism of Dettori the following day, while also criticising the rider's attitude after the Gold Cup, with the jockey also beaten on Saga in the Britannia Stakes and Reach For The Moon in the Hampton Court Stakes for the Queen.

Speaking after Dettori guided Inspiral to a wide-margin win in the Coronation Stakes, Gosden said: "Our hero overcomplicated it yesterday and I was clear in my definition of that. I think it's right to say what you think. It's over, it's past, it's finished and we move on.

"You can't keep looking back. You discuss it, you deal with it and you move on. These are horses; they need your full attention and not wandering around with your lip down. You just get on with it.

"The great thing is Stradivarius is still in good form and Saga – who should have won – as far as he's concerned did win."

The Racing Post has approached John and Thady Gosden and Frankie Dettori for comment.
Report .Marksman. June 23, 2022 2:50 PM BST
The clue is that Gosden has said that he would not run Stradivarius in the Goodwood Cup if Trueshan turns up.  (He had no worries about Trueshan at Ascot)
The assumption is that, with Trueshan in the race,  his newly preferred jockey would not be available for Stradivarius.
Report mrcombustible June 23, 2022 2:59 PM BST
Hollie has a retainer
Report DancingBraveTheBest June 23, 2022 3:13 PM BST
Cross Tom Marquand off the list alsoSad
Report LoyalHoncho June 23, 2022 3:23 PM BST
Frankie might have gotten away with the G.C. loss if he had looked at all up for the next race which was Saga.  His attitude pre-stalling was terrible, even Luke Harvey commented on it, and Saga should have won on paper and on course.  He left it far too far out of its ground.  Gosden clearly was desperate to give her maj a winner and his anger is easy to understand. 
I said at the time that something looked not quite right with Dettori and a mate of mine made a very salient comment when he suggested that there must be a doubt as to his hard, race-riding fitness with having so very few rides nowadays.  At 50 it has to be a factor.
Good luck to him anyway.  He's been brilliant for racing and has been brilliant for Gosden, who should be grateful for all the successes he has steered into his winning enclosure.
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 23, 2022 3:30 PM BST
He lost the stable the Oaks, a Prince of Wales and an Ascot GC in the last month. Just like a football player, you don't retire, the game retires you.
Report LoyalHoncho June 23, 2022 3:35 PM BST
Good point.  But it remains to be seen if he retires or not.
Report mrcombustible June 23, 2022 3:35 PM BST
Curtis, Tudhope,Benoit,Shoemark
Report carrot1960 June 23, 2022 3:36 PM BST
Anyone bar "Benny"
Report smartie3 June 23, 2022 3:40 PM BST
Benoit is still learning, but ultimately he will get the job. Maybe 2nd fiddleto Hollie for a couple of years. Benoit is an amazing mix of Piggot and Fallon
Report LoyalHoncho June 23, 2022 3:40 PM BST
Classic stables want classic jockeys and of these four Curtis and Tudhope look the most likely.  One thing is for sure the Gosdens need to get it absolutely right because their future Gp1 success depends upon the man on top being the best on each and every day.  They'll surely not take on an apprentice however talented they may be.
Report DancingBraveTheBest June 23, 2022 3:41 PM BST
I personally think Kevin Stott would be a fantastic aquisition for the Gosdens...ive always liked him and he dont seem to make too many mistakes imhoHappy
Report Whippin Piccadilly June 23, 2022 3:44 PM BST
It won't an apprentice. I'd think James Doyle would be his first choice. The Kingman days were some great days for them both. Would he be willing to leave Appleby though?
Report swiftynifty June 23, 2022 3:49 PM BST
As much as 2nd jockey at Appleby's is still a good job, he would surely take the Gosden job in a heartbeat if offered.
Report cryoftruth June 23, 2022 4:12 PM BST
If it really came to the job of number one for Gosden being up for grabs and I hope it’s not; I would go for Holly. I am sure her retainer would not stand in her way. It would be so good for racing. And she is simply an excellent rider.
Report Mick Sturbs June 23, 2022 4:32 PM BST
Who was stable jock before Dettori?  i can't remember.
Does he need a retained jockey or could he manage with using "the best available" on the big days
Havlin and Benny for the day to day stuff
Report workrider June 23, 2022 4:43 PM BST
Problem with that Mick is the best might already have a mount on the day...
Report A_T June 23, 2022 4:43 PM BST
Murphy's ban ends in Feb but his brand might be now too damaged
Report mrcombustible June 23, 2022 4:48 PM BST
Was Fortune his previous before Dettori
Report swiftynifty June 23, 2022 4:48 PM BST
Murphy   Drug problem TICK
         Drink problem TICK

Should fit right in.
Report carrot1960 June 23, 2022 4:50 PM BST
rankie Dettori will not be riding for John and Thady Gosden at Newmarket on Saturday.

While the Italian will be at HQ to ride the Ralph Beckett-trained Lezoo in the Listed Maureen Brittain Memorial Empress Fillies’ Stakes, owned by his friend Marc Chan, his name does not appear alongside two Gosden-trained runners on the card.

Having ridden both Sunray Major and Stowel for the majority of their careers, the former will be the mount of James Doyle in the Criterion Stakes with Robert Havlin on the latter in the Fred Archer Stakes.

The news comes after a testing Royal Ascot meeting for the Gosdens and Dettori.

Dettori came in for pointed criticism from Gosden senior following his ride on Stradivarius in the Gold Cup, and in the next race when the Queen’s Saga failed by a head to catch Thesis in the Britannia Stakes.

While it is not unusual for Dettori to miss the midweek action, he was expected to pick up where he left off this weekend.

Dettori’s manager Peter Burrell told the PA news agency: “We’re in the dark and searching for answers like everybody else.”

Gosden helped get Dettori’s career back on track following his split with Godolphin and the pair have enjoyed tremendous success.

The likes of Enable, Stradivarius, Golden Horn and Palace Pier have all helped keep Dettori at the top table, and on Friday the pair struck in the Coronation Stakes with Inspiral.

Betfair have opened a book on who will be the next retained rider at Clarehaven Stables, should Dettori be replaced.

Having partnered Nashwa to success in the Prix de Diane for the Gosdens on Sunday, Hollie Doyle has been installed as favourite at 4-11 ahead of James Doyle (no relation) and Colin Keane at 7-1.

“Off the back of reports that Frankie Dettori won’t be riding any of the Gosden runners in Newmarket, we have offered betting on who would replace him as stable jockey should the Calrehaven team wish to do so,” said Betfair spokesman Barry Orr.

“With John Gosden having spoken so effusively about Hollie Doyle and her considerable talent on more than one occasion, she is a red-hot favourite to land the plum job that would see her and her husband, Tom Marquand, become the first power couple of Newmarket.

“Irish champion Colin Keane is also an interesting proposition, but it could take a lot to lure him away from Ger Lyons.”
Report penzance June 23, 2022 4:50 PM BST
Was it Buick,before he went to Godolphin?
Report mrcombustible June 23, 2022 4:58 PM BST
Robert ‘Rab’ Havlin has developed into an accomplished horseman and a key figure at John Gosden’s stable in Newmarket

By Julian Muscat 06 July 2016
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Patience reaps its rewards, never more so than in the case of Robert Havlin. For many years a caterpillar, he has emerged from his chrysalis to take flight. The jockey who once seemed permanently grounded is now stretching his wings, enjoying the vista from on high. It is a sight many thought would never come his way.

It is all the more rewarding for the fact Havlin, 42, is approaching the career veteran stage. Most of the journeyman apprentices he rode with two decades ago have been and gone. Youth’s impetuousness has given way to measured appreciation. Life is thus all the sweeter for one able to appreciate it in a way that once would have been beyond him.

The Scotsman has, in fact, been posting decent numbers for some time now. Last year was his best yet, with 73 winners from more than 500 rides. But his metamorphosis came into sharper focus recently at Royal Ascot, where he rode his first winner aboard Ardad, trained by John Gosden, in the Windsor Castle Stakes. It took him a few days to realise the significance of the achievement.

“Everyone in the yard was buzzing and I really felt that,” he says. “Obviously I felt good myself; I hadn’t ridden one before and I was aware of it, but seeing all those happy faces made me realise how special it was.”

Havlin enjoyed it all the more for having friends around him with which to share the moment. Companionship is something he has always savoured, although in truth, it was nearly his undoing in his early years.

To appreciate this, you have to rewind the clock 20 years, when Havlin was the stable apprentice at Manton. Peter Chapple-Hyam’s successful tenure was coming to an end and there was discord among the staff that the best of patron Robert Sangster’s racehorses were being sold off for profit. In these circumstances, to have a pub within the grounds of Manton’s sprawling acres was well-intentioned but misguided. Havlin well remembers the legacy inherited by Gosden in late 1999, when he succeeded Chapple-Hyam at the storied estate.

“Some of the lads would be drunk when they came into work on a Monday morning and they were already on their last warning,” he recalls. “They knew John’s good side so they’d go into his office and say: ‘Guv’nor, I think I have a drink problem.’ And John would say: ‘OK mate, well done for admitting it. Now let’s get you some counselling to help you back on your feet.’”

I used to be the first one in the pub, so I always got on with the lads. I was enjoying life too much

Havlin maintains he was never that bad. “I think there were times when John wanted to say to me I needed some help, but I got a bit older and wiser and helped myself,” he relates. “I used to be the first one in the pub, so I always got on with the lads. I was enjoying life too much, I think.”

Gosden’s recollections are broadly similar, although he remembers their initial encounter with particular clarity. “The first time I met him, his BMW was lying on its side in a hedge,” Gosden relates with a chuckle. “He’d climbed out of the passenger side and I remember telling him it was best to leave the car where it was at that time of the night. Like a lot of young people, he had his wild side. There’s nothing wrong with that.”

Nevertheless, nights of revelry served to make Havlin lose focus at a critical stage in his apprenticeship. He started promisingly enough, riding 32 winners in 1996 and 15 in each of the next two years, but quickly tapered away.

“I never actually rode out my claim,” he reflects. “I was four winners away from it, but by then I’d lost a bit of interest. I went through those wild years and didn’t really get my head around it for a while afterwards.”

Havlin loved Manton. He relished the embrace of Chapple-Hyam’s gregarious regime. He felt part of a family he never really had; his parents divorced before he was three years old. He also cherished the paternal influence Gosden exerted on his rudderless life, so when Gosden announced he was moving to Newmarket in 2006, Havlin sensed the ground shifting under his feet.

“The boss told me he wasn’t in a position to offer me a job, but that if I ever moved to Newmarket, I should give him a call,” Havlin reflects.
After some soul-searching, he decided to up sticks. He was somewhat suspicious of change, partly because he felt comfortable in the Manton community, but Gosden was true to his word. The change made Havlin realise opportunity was slipping away.

“The thing about the boss is that he really cares about his staff,” Havlin says. “I’d seen that at Manton; sometimes I used to think that he cared too much, if anything. But when someone puts their neck on the line for you, you don’t want to let them down.

“I really felt that strongly,” he continues. “I was on the mat a few times in my younger days and I’ve had my bollockings on the way back from the races. The boss would say the famous phrase: ‘Be in my office at 12 o’clock,’ but that was a good thing. You realised he cared about you off the track as well as on it.”

Robert Havlin: hard work on the gallops has been rewarded with quality rides on the racecourse

This, of course, was a two-way street. In return for his patience, Gosden received the counsel of a fine judge, a rider with the rare ability to relax headstrong horses, not to mention those difficult, cussed, troubled thoroughbreds who have no prospect of fulfilling their potential without learning to cooperate.

Havlin acquired this valuable skillset in his mid-teens, when his mother dragged him out of bed early on Saturday mornings and took him to John Wilson’s yard at Cree Lodge, in the shadow of Ayr racecourse.

“It was funny, really,” Havlin says. “My father also wanted to be a jockey but he never told me about it. He spent a year with Dave Thom but then went back to Scotland because he was homesick.”

Havlin joined Wilson full-time on leaving school, by which time he’d already experienced things other wannabe jockeys would rarely encounter. Together with a few kids from his council estate, he spent evenings after school working for the local horse dealer, Alex White.

“He had coloured ponies arriving from Ireland twice a week and we would break them in one day,” he says. “I had a good few slaps from Alex. All the kids thought I was crazy back then but it probably stood me in good stead.”

Whatever lessons he learnt, Havlin has since morphed into a pivotal member of Gosden’s staff. He is instrumental in taking much of Clarehaven’s nascent talent forward towards their races. He rode Golden Horn in his work ahead of last year’s Dante and told Frankie Dettori he was aboard the wrong horse (Jack Hobbs) in that race. Ask him for the best he had ridden and he tempers his reply in nominating Kingman. “It’s probably because I rode him every day,” he says. “He was a phenomenal horse; he had everything.”

Havlin always bestrode top-class horses at home but he is now riding a better calibre of horse on the racecourse. He has long since shed the tag of capable deputy, as evidenced by a Royal Ascot triumph that jostles for CV space with his winning rides in the Derby Italiano and Oaks d’Italia, not to mention a smattering of Pattern-race triumphs in Britain.

Yet he remains at heart a team player, one happy to defer to Dettori on the big days even if he might have done most of the legwork. He admits there have been times when others have encouraged him to loosen his ties with Gosden in the quest for greater personal recognition. The prospect has never appealed.

“I like being part of something,” he says. “There’s not a lot of loyalty in this game and you can’t expect a different person to be loyal to you every year. You see kids today going to stables and not getting rides, then hopping over to someone else, and again the next year. How are they going to cope when they have a bad year?

The boss really cares about his staff. Sometimes I used to think he cared too much, if anything

“Sometimes you might wonder why you’re not jocked up on some of John’s horses and then, when they don’t run well, you think: ‘I’m glad I wasn’t on those.’ But that’s John, trying to protect you. When you’re younger you don’t see it that way. It’s only when you sit back and look at the big picture that you realise it.

“Loyalty is something you build over years and years, and I just love where I am now,” he continues. “As long as it keeps going, it’s more than enough for me. The top jockeys go to big meetings like Royal Ascot under a lot of pressure, whereas I don’t. Ardad was a 20-1 chance. I’d love to win a Classic one day – and you never know, that might just happen, but the main things is that I’m working for a great boss.”

He is also in a great place in his private life. Towards the end of the year he will point himself down a straight course with pews either side of him instead of running rails. He plans to marry Kelly, his partner of seven years, and with whom he has two daughters: India, aged 4, and Lucia, 2.

For Havlin, the emotional journey is almost complete. All that remains is for him to savour the remainder of a professional career rendered all the more rewarding for it coming to him so late in life. His is a refreshing story within the debris of shattered dreams so prevalent among those for whom success came too soon.
Report LoyalHoncho June 23, 2022 6:31 PM BST
Couldn't agree more cot.  I think she would be a perfect choice for all sorts of reasons, the primary one being she is a very able jockey who is hungry for the big successes.
Report know all June 23, 2022 6:35 PM BST
Dettiri is in Sardinia on a weeks holiday when any young jockey would not dare go on holiday when in the peak of the season and riding out beckons, sad to see the falling out they had some great winners together
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 6:46 PM BST
Looks like Holly.
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 6:49 PM BST
Hollie even!
Report barstool June 23, 2022 6:55 PM BST
So the cherry picking days are over.

Will have the appetite to work at it now?

My own take would be for him to retire at the Ascot Champions meeting in October.
Report sparrow June 23, 2022 6:59 PM BST
Betfair have made Hollie Doyle their odds-on favourite to be John and Thady Gosden's next number one rider in response to the speculation around Frankie Dettori's role with the Clarehaven operation.

Doyle, who became the first female rider to win a European Classic that holds Group 1 status when riding Nashwa to victory for the Gosdens in the Prix de Diane at Chantilly last weekend, is 4-11 to be next to get the coveted gig.

Betfair head of racing PR Barry Orr said: "With John Gosden having spoken so effusively about Hollie Doyle and her considerable talent on more than one occasion, she is a red-hot favourite to land the plum job.

"Irish champion jockey Colin Keane is also an interesting proposition, but it could take a lot to lure him away from Ger Lyons."

'She's hugely talented'

Gosden spoke highly of Doyle after she guided Nashwa to Prix de Diane glory at Chantilly last weekend.

After the race, Gosden said: "The owner-breeder of Nashwa, Imad Al Sagar, said to me two or three years ago he had a few jockeys he was looking at and wanted to retain one.

"He showed me the list and I said 'Hollie Doyle', and I know other people would back me on that.

"She's hugely talented and horses run for her. She's incredibly meticulous and hard-working and she analyses things properly."

Frankie Dettori and John Gosden timeline: the highs and lows

John and Thady Gosden's next retained rider

Betfair: 4-11 Hollie Doyle, 7 James Doyle, Colin Keane, 14 David Egan, 16 Rab Havlin, 20 William Buick, Tom Marquand
Report the dealer June 23, 2022 7:02 PM BST
Marquand looks a big price,
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 7:03 PM BST
It would be great to see Hollie with chances in all the big races. I hope it goes that way.
Report A_T June 23, 2022 7:09 PM BST
Burrell said: "Frankie rang up the Gosden office this morning to discuss riding plans for the weekend, as he usually does, but didn't get a call back. We're in the dark as much as anyone else, which is a strange position to be in.

"We only have questions, not answers. We know absolutely nothing, so we'll have to put the jigsaw together ourselves. Whatever John and Thady have done, we'll all have to move on with."

pretty shabby treatment if that's true
Report mrcombustible June 23, 2022 7:14 PM BST
Gosden is a friend of Matt Hancock so bad behaviour and lack of manners can be expected
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 7:19 PM BST
tad unfair. he rescued dettori when nobody wanted him.

after the 7.15 lester id go for faye mcmanoman.
Report the numbers seven June 23, 2022 7:21 PM BST
How about James McDonald, done brilliant at Ascot and in his interview dropped big hints he would be up for a stint in the UK. Agree about the shabby treatment A-T, bad form to sort your employees out live on ITV as well.
Report snowynoon June 23, 2022 7:25 PM BST
agree ,praise in public ,criticise in private ,Frankie is a legend and the biggest name in a sport with not too many big names ,dont let it end this way ,Gosden gone way down in my opinion .
Report the dealer June 23, 2022 7:29 PM BST
And frankie has always been a pillar of society ??,, I remember him publicly criticising a another jockey after a race a few times.

Lucky to get a second chance imho and he should be thankful of that
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 7:31 PM BST
i fink someones forgotten the terrible slagging dettori gave some kid having their first ride at ascot last year.
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 7:33 PM BST
Gosden is a friend of Matt Hancock so bad behaviour and lack of manners can be expected-  Well Frankie's record wouldn't hold up to JG's. I can't remember JG getting arrested with cocaine.
Report stocks June 23, 2022 7:33 PM BST
No class from Gosden He is All ways right never wrong !!!!! As for his son surprised he knows what end of the horse to put bridle on
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 7:35 PM BST
why are you surprised? hes been doing it all his life. wanchor. ask his mother.
Report the numbers seven June 23, 2022 7:37 PM BST
I have had lots of employees behave badly, some I have had to let go, doesn't give me the right to publicly criticise them and then not ring them up to let them know why I don't need them in work on Saturday. Thought he had more class than that.
Report penzance June 23, 2022 7:39 PM BST
Dettori showed bundles of class last year after the Gold Cup.
The other jockey was just a young rider making his way in the game.
Report penzance June 23, 2022 7:43 PM BST
The Champion Stayers that should read.
Report Daryl Revok June 23, 2022 7:44 PM BST
Are Gosden's owners 'progressive' enough to have a woman as top jock? Don't even make that a 4/11 shot.
Report A_T June 23, 2022 7:45 PM BST
i fink someones forgotten the terrible slagging dettori gave some kid having their first ride at ascot last year.

two wrongs don't make a right - there's no doubt Frankie has been a tw@t at times -  especially his awful book grovelling to everyone in sight and blaming all his troubles on everyone's favourite trainer Al Zarooni

I've always felt FD is two-faced lots of smiles for the camera but underneath quite different. give me Eddery, Kinane or Piggott any day. Did any of them even smile after winning a Derby or Arc nevermind prancing around like a pr@t

still doesn't made the apparent treatment of FD right.
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 7:47 PM BST
No class from Gosden He is All ways right never wrong !!!!! As for his son surprised he knows what end of the horse to put bridle on  -- What are you talking about? Thady is a decent guy. JG has been right more often than he has been wrong.
Report swiftynifty June 23, 2022 7:50 PM BST
If Frankie was around to ride work this week he might've been able to discuss the weekend's plans.
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 7:58 PM BST
toldya. faze de girl. shame i dint back this one strangerontheshore. bilko shore was no stranger to an acca.

its ld. did dettori get a going-over last year? if he did i dont recall it. and everyones always boring on about racing being so incestuous and cosy but a mild criticism of someone who can dish it out himself is lame and tame. you cant have it every way. what he said wasnt that bad. and i suspect reverse-snootiness against gosden(why bring his son into it?) who has always been the most helpful and straightforward of trainers. and not bad at it either.

nice that at will respond on the racing forum but legs it from politics. safer ground eh? less chance of being embarrassed.
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 8:05 PM BST
In fairness mitolo, its pretty tough there over in politics!!
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 8:21 PM BST
youisavinalaff. its full of weedy bedwetters who run away if you challenge their prejudice and dishonesty, and then they get you deleted. its embarrassing on a gambling forum. i turn up a few times a month,  and never unless ive had at least 2, usually 3 bottles.
Report jackboo June 23, 2022 8:38 PM BST
we is good .but.but.but . when he loses he claim then see if hes any good , i hope he is
Report basilbrush June 23, 2022 8:43 PM BST
Keane NAP, Tudhope NB though Frankie still better than both of them even at his age. Gosden is a narcissist, vile man.
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 8:47 PM BST
if you are to state such an opinion you should at least back it up. do you know him?
Report truehoncho June 23, 2022 8:52 PM BST
Keane NAP, Tudhope NB though Frankie still better than both of them even at his age. Gosden is a narcissist, vile man.  --  vile man??? stop it.
Report penzance June 23, 2022 8:56 PM BST
Keane's record of riding wnrs over here's not
that great.Don't know why he's NAP material,meself.
Report A_T June 23, 2022 9:04 PM BST
nice that at will respond on the racing forum but legs it from politics. safer ground eh? less chance of being embarrassed.

I managed to decypher what you said here - not been so easy on the politics forum
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 9:11 PM BST
nice excuse. if thats the case then why did you not say so? instead of saying i was a racist. so you formed an opinion based on something you didnt understand?

Report basilbrush June 23, 2022 9:11 PM BST
Mitolo is the resident village idiot, best ignored mate.
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 9:23 PM BST
we dont like foxes in this village baz. and those that reside here are well aware im not an idiot.

you stated clearly that gosden was a vile narcissist. quite strong. based on what? i did ask. but you wont say. who looks the idiot? and offensive too
Report the bairn June 23, 2022 9:34 PM BST
what about Nicola Currie, she's as good as any jockey. cheers.
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 9:49 PM BST
nicola done well recently after a tough time. i like her, she looks fit and strong but i know nuffink and care less.

i have no opinion, not bovvering with who the gaily-attired midget is. doesnt make any difference to what i do. you can always spot a mug when the 1st thing they ask is; who is the jokey?

successful wagons i know(a few) simply arent interested
Report CROPSICK June 23, 2022 9:53 PM BST
James Doyle end of.
Report mitolo June 23, 2022 9:59 PM BST
Sad rip james
Report 11kv June 23, 2022 10:01 PM BST
Fair play to Gosden for speaking his mind, after all we on here are always after criticism when its justified...
Report hulk23 June 23, 2022 10:08 PM BST
at least a dozen on here that would've won the Gold Cup on Stradivarius.

any of them applied ?
Report LoyalHoncho June 24, 2022 12:23 AM BST
Do you seriously think Dettori rode a good race on Stradivarius?  We don't have to be jockeys to know otherwise.
For me he hastened his own demise not just by getting Saga beat but by how he got it beat.
He moped around at the start and it was clear he was in a real negative, self-pitying place instead of using his experience to shrug it all off and get the next one home.  The Gosdens clearly wanted a winner for her maj and he wasn't tuned in and left the horse with far too much to do in a race that he was laid out for.  I think that is what;s got them so hopping mad.  That and saying immediately post-Gold Cup defeat that the horse wasn't good enough at eight.
Report The Dragon June 24, 2022 7:44 AM BST
Lots of differing views on this this, Both gosden and dettori have been very very successful in their differrent spheres so both are to be admired for that. I think the way Gosden went about this business was very poor and showed him in a very bad light.

Having said that its his shout and if he think FD should be changed then its his right to do that - nothing lasts forever and i am sure te decsion was made for the right business reasons - his communication skills over it were appalling which is either arrogance or he did it when he was very very angry.

in terms of replacement bookies tend not to get the priceson theses sorts of issues so kit looks like Hollie. I wont be backing it mind!.
Report brigust1 June 24, 2022 8:36 AM BST
Loyal seems to have a grip on things. Of course no mention of the flaming row JG and FD had in the weighing room. And of course from all of the horses he has ridden he knows FD rode a bad race on a horse narrowly beaten who the majority of punters believed couldn't win. It is likely Stradivarius, who everyone knows is a thinker, will have a chance to redeem himself with a new jockey aboard, in the Goodwood Cup.
I was a real fan of Gosden's but this is shallow. I now personally think Gosden thinks he is the reason for all successes and it has nothing to do with the jockey. Best he moves on. He can spend his retirement knowing that when the challenge came to stand together he ran for the hills. This is what he will be remembered for in his dotage.
Report bluebook June 24, 2022 12:17 PM BST
Just heard on the news that the Queen is back riding again.

Maybe the old duck could ride her own horses with the Gosdens.
Report GEORGE.B June 24, 2022 1:29 PM BST
Yes, we're being asked to believe that her maj, who didn't feel up to riding in a carriage for the jubilee or royal ascot, is back riding horses Crazy

Back on topic, there is a relatively recent example of an apprentice being given a "top job" - Colin Keane for Ger Lyons.

Probably raised a few eyebrows at the time, but fair play to Ger, evidently a very good judge of jockeys!

So I'm not ruling out Benny Wink
Report Daryl Revok June 24, 2022 1:54 PM BST
I reckon Frankie's business manager will be picking up a lot of new clients after his input in this
Report impossible123 June 24, 2022 4:02 PM BST
James Doyle is on a hiding to nothing. If given the post his retainer with the best parent of Dubai will be history; if not he'd be considered by most 2nd to Hollie!

I'm sure Bin Suroor and AOB, and his boys will use Dettori more if Clarehaven does have a new stable jockeys.
Report prince monolulu June 24, 2022 4:25 PM BST
Captain Bob from Yarmouth just asked Hollie if she had anything to say about the Gosden situation but she said 'no comment' and blushed profusely. Maybe her self consciousness was a sign that she's been given the nod?
Report wondersobright June 25, 2022 3:20 PM BST
KS Love
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