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stewarty b
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Anybody any thoughts apart from the FAV?
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Report Andrew.in.Sweden April 27, 2022 1:12 PM BST
I wouldn't want to be backing anything in the Guineas until i knew the ground and draw, specially the latter at Newmarket.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 27, 2022 1:16 PM BST
the only draw that stewy nahs is the loosing betting slip draw.
Report stewarty b April 27, 2022 1:21 PM BST
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I wouldn't want to be backing anything in the Guineas until i knew the ground and draw, specially the latter at Newmarket.




Ditto Andrew albeit I have 50 EW at 25s on Perfect Power. (Before it's last run) My thoughts at the moment are how many will be scratched.
Report stewarty b April 28, 2022 11:38 AM BST
Four scratched overnight. 15 runners at present.
Report TheAnorak April 28, 2022 11:47 AM BST
Nmkt persisting with the official good, good to firm in places, despite a going stick figure from yesterday of 8.2. A year ago, the going stick number was 8.1 on race day, the official going was good to firm and the time was faster than standard.
Report FOYLESWAR April 28, 2022 2:40 PM BST
the draw
1.coroebus
2. wizard of eye.
3.perfect power
4.luxembourg.
5 boundless ocean.
6.royal patronage.
7.berkshire shadow
8.light infantry.
9.tacarib bay.
10.eyedon.
11.point lonsdale.
12.lusail.
13.checkandchallenge.
14.dubawi legend.
15. native trail.
Report Tiger Tiger April 28, 2022 2:58 PM BST
Winners last 20 years have come from stall 4 (last year) 15,17,9,3,1,16,3,6,12,1,5,17,6,10,9,3,11,3,1
Report Tiger Tiger April 28, 2022 3:01 PM BST
Going stick at 12.00 was Stand Side 7.2, Centre 7.5, Far side 7.4, more watering today!!
Report morpteh mackem April 28, 2022 4:34 PM BST
which year was the golden highway ? couple of years ago ?
Report Tiger Tiger April 28, 2022 4:39 PM BST
2018 when 9,10,14,11 and 12 was the finishing order. Saxon Warrior the winner.
Report morpteh mackem April 28, 2022 5:25 PM BST
ta
Report stewarty b April 28, 2022 5:33 PM BST
A few 3s in that draw tiger but more concerned about the draw.
Report penzance April 28, 2022 6:04 PM BST
Magna Grecia was the year of the so called Golden Highway
2019
Report Tiger Tiger April 28, 2022 6:13 PM BST
The year MG won the race the finishing order for the draw was, 17,19,3,1,5, yes indeed, they did call it the golden highway as they came for the nearside rail I recall.
Report stewarty b April 28, 2022 6:30 PM BST
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A few 3s in that draw tiger but more concerned about the draw.




Got that back to front. It should read that I'm more concerned about the going. How long can they go on watering.
Report impossible123 April 28, 2022 7:50 PM BST
15 for Native Trail. Is that good, ok or diabolical? Kameko the outsider won from the same draw. Stablemate Coroebus is drawn 1 - completely opposite side.

Any cutaway again? I remember AOB had several riding shotgun for Saxon Warrior to get a smooth clear passage.
Report Try My Best April 28, 2022 7:57 PM BST
Saxon Warrior came down the middle with zero assistance and won fair and square.
Report Try My Best April 28, 2022 7:59 PM BST
Some people who are not so bright thought Churchill was the recipient of team tactics. Utter bollocks.
Report FOYLESWAR April 28, 2022 8:21 PM BST
interesting that aiden takes native trail on with point lonsdale again ,recent racecourse work with luxembourg and aiden says theres nothing between them  nothing between them on ratings either  frankie up and 14/1 available ,
Report Try My Best April 28, 2022 9:08 PM BST
I agree. I think the draw is also fascinating. You have the jolly and PL drawn on the standside and Luxembourg and Coroebus drawn on the outside. The stalls are central. I think the middle is the preferred choice so I think L & C are positiioned better. Setting off tomorrow and can't wait for the first 2 classics of the season.
Report TheAnorak April 29, 2022 9:12 AM BST
When Kameko won from a high draw, there was a strong wind (20-25 mph) blowing across the course from far side towards the stands. Those drawn high that day had an advantage as the low drawn runners got the brunt of the wind and they also provided the high drawn ones with shelter from that wind. And the stalls that day were positioned on the stands side, not centre, another plus for the high draw.
Report TheAnorak April 29, 2022 9:26 AM BST
For day one, Prosser sticks to his going report of good, good to firm in places, with an overall going stick figure of 7.5.

However, according to the Turftrax going map provided here:

https://www.turftrax.co.uk/going_maps.html

The ‘good to firm places’, extend all the way from the mile start to the dip and only the last two furlongs are shown as good.

Lies, damned lies and going reports.
Report Hayden April 29, 2022 1:05 PM BST
It's a classic and all we're discussing is the draw advantage.

To me this means the race needs moving to a fairer and more suitable racecourse.



Good luck today all   Happy
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! April 29, 2022 2:30 PM BST
Looks like the far side of the draw
Is best
Low numbers?
Devil
Report paulo47 April 29, 2022 2:53 PM BST
Proves nothing , first winner was arguably more assertive the further stands side he went and 2/3 of stand side trio in the 7f got left in the boxes . Winner would have won anywhere .
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 30, 2022 1:49 PM BST
perfect power has to be a big lay as stewy has stiffened it..currently on a run ot 18 loosers.
Report DIFERENT GRAVY 12 April 30, 2022 1:57 PM BST
Won't see him before it runs


Wins = comes on as Bill Bigbollox
Loses = Come on tomorrow saying laid off pre race.



Needs a new scriptwriter imo
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 30, 2022 2:01 PM BST
Happy
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! April 30, 2022 2:54 PM BST
Luxemburg looks trained to the
MINUTE!!!
Shocked
Report impossible123 April 30, 2022 3:13 PM BST
The fav is 5/4 to win; 3/1 to win by more than 1 length. Is the latter value?
Report elise April 30, 2022 3:35 PM BST
ive backed dubawi legend e/w, point lonsdale small win
Report impossible123 April 30, 2022 3:35 PM BST
UAE parental/kidnapper does not seem to be here. Is he persona non grata?
Report GEORGE.B April 30, 2022 3:38 PM BST
Tacarib Bay 5 places at around 8-1

and a sly tenner at around 250 in the win market Excited
Report GEORGE.B April 30, 2022 3:39 PM BST
good luck all
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 30, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Sir James Doyle Love
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 30, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Lusail was 6th Cry
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! April 30, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Moore you
****
Sad
Report FOYLESWAR April 30, 2022 3:45 PM BST
well done winners.
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 30, 2022 3:45 PM BST
Pat dobbs far worse than Moore.
Report carrot1960 April 30, 2022 3:52 PM BST
Buick must have thought he was on Dancing Brave given how far back  he had the runner up for the first half of the race , especially given the way the horse had been ridden in it's previous five  runs / wins
Report geordie1956 April 30, 2022 3:53 PM BST
Well pleased for James Doyle & you can see he is enjoying the moment
Report impossible123 April 30, 2022 4:00 PM BST
Well done Doyle! You rode a good race. A good compensation for Kingman.
Report Hayden April 30, 2022 4:10 PM BST
Good race but come on a classic with a draw bias and creating deliberation after the race whether the best horse won on the day.

Should never happen , move it or sort it.

No bet ever in classics myself but don't agree with a draw bias in such a big race.

Good luck today all  Happy
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 30, 2022 4:13 PM BST
I hate Newmarket with a passion, not fit for proper racing.
Report impossible123 April 30, 2022 4:15 PM BST
I'm not sure. One cannot be certain the fav was on the wrong side given his pilot was not as forward as Doyle on the winner. What I'd say is Appleby/Godolphin ought to have sent either to France.

Will either take on Baaeed over 8f this season? The time was just above standard.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 30, 2022 4:20 PM BST
carrot1960 30 Apr 22 15:52 
Buick must have thought he was on Dancing Brave given how far back  he had the runner up for the first half of the race , especially given the way the horse had been ridden in it's previous five  runs / wins


was ahead of winner at halfway on drone.
Report lead on April 30, 2022 4:23 PM BST
Best horse won imo....was this the famous five selection at the start of this thread...can't be bothered to look
Report carrot1960 April 30, 2022 4:25 PM BST
What has that got to do with anything ! ,
Report penzance April 30, 2022 4:29 PM BST
Native Trail was btn by a very good horse today,the best one
on the day.Whether the draw had anything to do with is another
matter,I would'nt be useing that today.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 30, 2022 4:35 PM BST
carrot1960 30 Apr 22 16:25 
What has that got to do with anything ! ,

plenty..how was it too far back when the winner was behind it? you're the worst in the forum..abso fckn clueless.
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 30, 2022 4:38 PM BST
Native Trail came with a winning run but didnt finish as fast as the others on the other side.
Report impossible123 April 30, 2022 4:50 PM BST
Having watched the race again Coroebus was even further back than Native Trail most of the way. But, was still cruising when Native Trail made his move; Luxembourg stumbled just after the stall opened and was infront of Caroebus. The front 3 pulled  away from the rest at the finish.

I do not think the winner will be beaten by the runner-up, all things being equal. Luxembourg ran a very well given the stumble early on; a very promising prospect for Epsom.
Report SHROPSHIRELAD April 30, 2022 5:00 PM BST
BUICK too cocky (IMHO of course), he knows from previous that the horse does have speed but also it’s not one that the turbo responds immediately on, ridden too far out the back for a horse with that trait.

All the best
Report Hayden April 30, 2022 5:10 PM BST
Whether the draw affected the result isn't the point , the fact is it shouldn't be a talking point before and after the race in a classic.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 30, 2022 5:13 PM BST
best horse won...simple.
Report truehoncho April 30, 2022 5:16 PM BST
The draw probably did play a part but I'm sure you could make up all sorts of scenarios where other horses could have won. Best horse and jockey on the day won. Not sure what track is fit for racing if Newmarket isn't.
Report Hayden April 30, 2022 5:17 PM BST
Agree Rico but draw shouldn't be a deliberation.
Report the dealer April 30, 2022 5:34 PM BST
I think that was a true group one race and that the first 3 will prove very decent. No excuses best horse won on the day.
Report Try My Best April 30, 2022 5:45 PM BST
Rice is correct. Native Trail all speed and had to be taken on today.
Would never have beaten the winner if it had been drawn next to it. How far does Luxembourg win the Derby by. Connections looked delighted with his run in the unsaddling enclosure.
Report truehoncho April 30, 2022 5:56 PM BST
as Coroebus was running away from him up at the finish, maybe not very far.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps April 30, 2022 6:36 PM BST
How far does Luxembourg win the Derby by.

level with winner 1.5 out..corebus ran away from it..
Report truehoncho April 30, 2022 6:52 PM BST
I think you are right Rico. The blue army are slowly (maybe not that slowly) crushing British G1 and classic racing. Coolmore as powerful as they are, cannot stop this total domination that Sheik Mo has bought. Here's a good stat for all the punters....In the last 5 years Godolphin have had about 3000 runners with a strike rate of ......wait for it....25%!!! You can bet them blind.
Report A_T April 30, 2022 7:13 PM BST
Coolmore as powerful as they are, cannot stop this total domination that Sheik Mo has bought.

Coolmore have drunk the well of Vincent O'Brien dry now - the best Northern Dancer sires are no longer theirs. Sheikh Mohammed has waited decades for this.
Report truehoncho April 30, 2022 8:09 PM BST
Well that may well be but in fairness to Coolmore they had to operate in a commercial environment. Darley has just bought any and everything, regardless of value. Its clear they are on top at the moment but there is no guarantee that will last. Coolmore may or may not have the best stallions at the moment (ND or otherwise) but their roster has some pretty smart prospects so the tide may yet turn.
Report Try My Best April 30, 2022 11:27 PM BST
You have to laugh at some posters on here. Coreobus not going for the Derby as trainer has stated that St James Palace next and will keep to a mile . Mile 2 at a push. Luxembourg slowly away nearly falls over and is 2 lengths behind the front two ov r inadequate trip.  I will say it again. How far does he win the Derby by?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 1, 2022 12:13 AM BST
Luxembourg slowly away nearly falls over

you need to rewatch...very slight stumble..cost it nothing.Laugh
Report stewarty b May 1, 2022 12:46 AM BST
steve pretending to be an expert on form.Laugh
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 1, 2022 1:18 AM BST
forty or forte?

ydc Laugh
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 1, 2022 1:19 AM BST
stewarty b 30 Apr 22 23:33 
Fairly steve but arithmetic my forty.

pmsl..thickest fcker in the forum.Laugh
Report DIFERENT GRAVY 12 May 1, 2022 6:12 AM BST
Did StewyB get 7 places??
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 1, 2022 10:31 AM BST
ricardo was 1st 10 for yesterdays happy hour...stewyb is in clover...

its his forty Laugh
Report truehoncho May 1, 2022 3:03 PM BST
You have to laugh at some posters on here. Coreobus not going for the Derby as trainer has stated that St James Palace next and will keep to a mile . Mile 2 at a push. Luxembourg slowly away nearly falls over and is 2 lengths behind the front two ov r inadequate trip.  I will say it again. How far does he win the Derby by? --  Well the fact they are not going for the Derby with Coroebus means they think they have a better one for it. I would still say maybe by not very far.
Report StillLearning May 1, 2022 3:37 PM BST
Zellie w&p (first 4)

gl
Report StillLearning May 1, 2022 3:47 PM BST
opps! wrong race
Report Try My Best May 5, 2022 12:04 AM BST
Well that's one off Godolphins out of the way at Chester true honcho. Beaten senseless by one of Aidans B team.
Report Try My Best May 5, 2022 12:06 AM BST
Are you laying the jolly for the Derby Rico? If so I might be interested. Just let me know for how much.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 5, 2022 1:48 PM BST
whats fav never looked
Report truehoncho May 7, 2022 1:10 PM BST
Did you lay it Rico??
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 7, 2022 1:16 PM BST
lay what?
Report truehoncho May 7, 2022 1:54 PM BST
the Jolly?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 7, 2022 2:18 PM BST
never looked nee idea what price..doesnt look an obvious derby winner to me on its ginnees run.
Report truehoncho May 7, 2022 2:27 PM BST
I agree. Looks like Coolmore are dodging the race now.
Report A_T May 7, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Moore's probably told them it won't win so now looking for an alternative narrative to boost stallion prospects
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 7, 2022 3:57 PM BST
fckn ell was 9/4 other day...its 9 now Shocked
Report truehoncho May 7, 2022 5:22 PM BST
I agree with A_T. I think they will look for a soft G1 later in the season and tell everyone he would have won the Derby if he had got there. Personally I think they should go for the French Derby but that would give the game away!!
Report Try My Best May 7, 2022 7:08 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 7, 2022 7:19 PM BST
Try My Best 05 May 22 00:06 
Are you laying the jolly for the Derby Rico? If so I might be interested.

LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Try My Best May 7, 2022 7:26 PM BST
What are you willing to lay non runner no bet?
Report Try My Best May 7, 2022 10:52 PM BST
Didn't think I would get a reply.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 7, 2022 11:20 PM BST
you dont want much do you.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 8, 2022 4:35 PM BST
you can have 1000?
Report Try My Best May 8, 2022 5:50 PM BST
Too short that Rico.
Report truehoncho May 8, 2022 8:21 PM BST
Well what a surprise. AOB had a proper Derby horse and his non staying guineas 3rd get an injury and can't run. You are lucky he did pull it out TYB otherwise you would have been donating to a bookies benefit. I give you more credit than to have taken 2-1 after the guineas, even though you thought he was unbeatable.
Report Try My Best May 8, 2022 9:16 PM BST
I think Ryan Moore and Aidan know slightly more than you. Trial after trial winner for the Ballydoyle boys and you only had to see Moore's response to the question who he thought was best. You are mighty lucky that he is not running. Would have been good to see you running for cover. Are you saying the horse has not got an injury?
Report A_T May 8, 2022 9:28 PM BST
doubt we'll see Luxembourg in the Autumn - trainer's record with his 3yos is dismal at that time of year. More likely 2023 - or not at all.
Report A_T May 8, 2022 9:28 PM BST
I think Ryan Moore and Aidan know slightly more than you.

Moore's record at picking the wrong one in the Derby is exceptional
Report Try My Best May 8, 2022 9:54 PM BST
Do you think he gets to choose all the time? The anti Ballydoyle bias on here is quite something. Thought they might have been congratulated for their winning exploits and consistency.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 8, 2022 11:02 PM BST
i suprised after tits guineas run you thort it would win a derby...wasnt remotely eyecatching imo.
Report Try My Best May 8, 2022 11:06 PM BST
Aye ok.
Report truehoncho May 27, 2022 11:03 AM BST
I think AOB has 5 left in plus a couple of his sons. I suppose he is a decent bet to win it with his mob handed tactics.
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