3:40 Newmarket 30 APR 2022 ITV 1m (Row) Qipco 2000 Guineas Stakes (Group 1) (British Champions Serie

I wouldn't want to be backing anything in the Guineas until i knew the ground and draw, specially the latter at Newmarket.

the only draw that stewy nahs is the loosing betting slip draw.

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I wouldn't want to be backing anything in the Guineas until i knew the ground and draw, specially the latter at Newmarket.



Ditto Andrew albeit I have 50 EW at 25s on Perfect Power. (Before it's last run) My thoughts at the moment are how many will be scratched.

Four scratched overnight. 15 runners at present.

Nmkt persisting with the official good, good to firm in places, despite a going stick figure from yesterday of 8.2. A year ago, the going stick number was 8.1 on race day, the official going was good to firm and the time was faster than standard.

the draw
1.coroebus
2. wizard of eye.
3.perfect power
4.luxembourg.
5 boundless ocean.
6.royal patronage.
7.berkshire shadow
8.light infantry.
9.tacarib bay.
10.eyedon.
11.point lonsdale.
12.lusail.
13.checkandchallenge.
14.dubawi legend.
15. native trail.

Winners last 20 years have come from stall 4 (last year) 15,17,9,3,1,16,3,6,12,1,5,17,6,10,9,3,11,3,1

Going stick at 12.00 was Stand Side 7.2, Centre 7.5, Far side 7.4, more watering today!!

which year was the golden highway ? couple of years ago ?

2018 when 9,10,14,11 and 12 was the finishing order. Saxon Warrior the winner.

ta

A few 3s in that draw tiger but more concerned about the draw.

Magna Grecia was the year of the so called Golden Highway
2019

The year MG won the race the finishing order for the draw was, 17,19,3,1,5, yes indeed, they did call it the golden highway as they came for the nearside rail I recall.

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A few 3s in that draw tiger but more concerned about the draw.



Got that back to front. It should read that I'm more concerned about the going. How long can they go on watering.

15 for Native Trail. Is that good, ok or diabolical? Kameko the outsider won from the same draw. Stablemate Coroebus is drawn 1 - completely opposite side.

Any cutaway again? I remember AOB had several riding shotgun for Saxon Warrior to get a smooth clear passage.

Saxon Warrior came down the middle with zero assistance and won fair and square.

Some people who are not so bright thought Churchill was the recipient of team tactics. Utter bollocks.

interesting that aiden takes native trail on with point lonsdale again ,recent racecourse work with luxembourg and aiden says theres nothing between them  nothing between them on ratings either  frankie up and 14/1 available ,

I agree. I think the draw is also fascinating. You have the jolly and PL drawn on the standside and Luxembourg and Coroebus drawn on the outside. The stalls are central. I think the middle is the preferred choice so I think L & C are positiioned better. Setting off tomorrow and can't wait for the first 2 classics of the season.

When Kameko won from a high draw, there was a strong wind (20-25 mph) blowing across the course from far side towards the stands. Those drawn high that day had an advantage as the low drawn runners got the brunt of the wind and they also provided the high drawn ones with shelter from that wind. And the stalls that day were positioned on the stands side, not centre, another plus for the high draw.

For day one, Prosser sticks to his going report of good, good to firm in places, with an overall going stick figure of 7.5.

However, according to the Turftrax going map provided here:

https://www.turftrax.co.uk/going_maps.html

The ‘good to firm places’, extend all the way from the mile start to the dip and only the last two furlongs are shown as good.

Lies, damned lies and going reports.

It's a classic and all we're discussing is the draw advantage.

To me this means the race needs moving to a fairer and more suitable racecourse.



Good luck today all   

Looks like the far side of the draw
Is best
Low numbers?

Proves nothing , first winner was arguably more assertive the further stands side he went and 2/3 of stand side trio in the 7f got left in the boxes . Winner would have won anywhere .

perfect power has to be a big lay as stewy has stiffened it..currently on a run ot 18 loosers.

Won't see him before it runs


Wins = comes on as Bill Bigbollox
Loses = Come on tomorrow saying laid off pre race.



Needs a new scriptwriter imo

Luxemburg looks trained to the
MINUTE!!!

The fav is 5/4 to win; 3/1 to win by more than 1 length. Is the latter value?

ive backed dubawi legend e/w, point lonsdale small win

UAE parental/kidnapper does not seem to be here. Is he persona non grata?

Tacarib Bay 5 places at around 8-1

and a sly tenner at around 250 in the win market

good luck all

Sir James Doyle

Lusail was 6th

Moore you
****

well done winners.

Pat dobbs far worse than Moore.

Buick must have thought he was on Dancing Brave given how far back  he had the runner up for the first half of the race , especially given the way the horse had been ridden in it's previous five  runs / wins

Well pleased for James Doyle & you can see he is enjoying the moment

Well done Doyle! You rode a good race. A good compensation for Kingman.

Good race but come on a classic with a draw bias and creating deliberation after the race whether the best horse won on the day.

Should never happen , move it or sort it.

No bet ever in classics myself but don't agree with a draw bias in such a big race.

Good luck today all 

I hate Newmarket with a passion, not fit for proper racing.

I'm not sure. One cannot be certain the fav was on the wrong side given his pilot was not as forward as Doyle on the winner. What I'd say is Appleby/Godolphin ought to have sent either to France.

Will either take on Baaeed over 8f this season? The time was just above standard.

carrot1960 30 Apr 22 15:52 
Buick must have thought he was on Dancing Brave given how far back  he had the runner up for the first half of the race , especially given the way the horse had been ridden in it's previous five  runs / wins


was ahead of winner at halfway on drone.

Best horse won imo....was this the famous five selection at the start of this thread...can't be bothered to look

What has that got to do with anything ! ,

Native Trail was btn by a very good horse today,the best one
on the day.Whether the draw had anything to do with is another
matter,I would'nt be useing that today.

carrot1960 30 Apr 22 16:25 
What has that got to do with anything ! ,

plenty..how was it too far back when the winner was behind it? you're the worst in the forum..abso fckn clueless.

Native Trail came with a winning run but didnt finish as fast as the others on the other side.

Having watched the race again Coroebus was even further back than Native Trail most of the way. But, was still cruising when Native Trail made his move; Luxembourg stumbled just after the stall opened and was infront of Caroebus. The front 3 pulled  away from the rest at the finish.

I do not think the winner will be beaten by the runner-up, all things being equal. Luxembourg ran a very well given the stumble early on; a very promising prospect for Epsom.

BUICK too cocky (IMHO of course), he knows from previous that the horse does have speed but also it’s not one that the turbo responds immediately on, ridden too far out the back for a horse with that trait.

All the best

Whether the draw affected the result isn't the point , the fact is it shouldn't be a talking point before and after the race in a classic.

best horse won...simple.

The draw probably did play a part but I'm sure you could make up all sorts of scenarios where other horses could have won. Best horse and jockey on the day won. Not sure what track is fit for racing if Newmarket isn't.

Agree Rico but draw shouldn't be a deliberation.

I think that was a true group one race and that the first 3 will prove very decent. No excuses best horse won on the day.

Rice is correct. Native Trail all speed and had to be taken on today.
Would never have beaten the winner if it had been drawn next to it. How far does Luxembourg win the Derby by. Connections looked delighted with his run in the unsaddling enclosure.

as Coroebus was running away from him up at the finish, maybe not very far.

How far does Luxembourg win the Derby by.

level with winner 1.5 out..corebus ran away from it..

I think you are right Rico. The blue army are slowly (maybe not that slowly) crushing British G1 and classic racing. Coolmore as powerful as they are, cannot stop this total domination that Sheik Mo has bought. Here's a good stat for all the punters....In the last 5 years Godolphin have had about 3000 runners with a strike rate of ......wait for it....25%!!! You can bet them blind.

Coolmore as powerful as they are, cannot stop this total domination that Sheik Mo has bought.

Coolmore have drunk the well of Vincent O'Brien dry now - the best Northern Dancer sires are no longer theirs. Sheikh Mohammed has waited decades for this.

Well that may well be but in fairness to Coolmore they had to operate in a commercial environment. Darley has just bought any and everything, regardless of value. Its clear they are on top at the moment but there is no guarantee that will last. Coolmore may or may not have the best stallions at the moment (ND or otherwise) but their roster has some pretty smart prospects so the tide may yet turn.

You have to laugh at some posters on here. Coreobus not going for the Derby as trainer has stated that St James Palace next and will keep to a mile . Mile 2 at a push. Luxembourg slowly away nearly falls over and is 2 lengths behind the front two ov r inadequate trip.  I will say it again. How far does he win the Derby by?

Luxembourg slowly away nearly falls over

you need to rewatch...very slight stumble..cost it nothing.

steve pretending to be an expert on form.

forty or forte?

ydc

stewarty b 30 Apr 22 23:33 
Fairly steve but arithmetic my forty.

pmsl..thickest fcker in the forum.

Did StewyB get 7 places??

ricardo was 1st 10 for yesterdays happy hour...stewyb is in clover...

its his forty

You have to laugh at some posters on here. Coreobus not going for the Derby as trainer has stated that St James Palace next and will keep to a mile . Mile 2 at a push. Luxembourg slowly away nearly falls over and is 2 lengths behind the front two ov r inadequate trip.  I will say it again. How far does he win the Derby by? --  Well the fact they are not going for the Derby with Coroebus means they think they have a better one for it. I would still say maybe by not very far.

Zellie w&p (first 4)

gl

opps! wrong race

Well that's one off Godolphins out of the way at Chester true honcho. Beaten senseless by one of Aidans B team.

Are you laying the jolly for the Derby Rico? If so I might be interested. Just let me know for how much.

whats fav never looked

Did you lay it Rico??

lay what?

the Jolly?

never looked nee idea what price..doesnt look an obvious derby winner to me on its ginnees run.

I agree. Looks like Coolmore are dodging the race now.

Moore's probably told them it won't win so now looking for an alternative narrative to boost stallion prospects

fckn ell was 9/4 other day...its 9 now

I agree with A_T. I think they will look for a soft G1 later in the season and tell everyone he would have won the Derby if he had got there. Personally I think they should go for the French Derby but that would give the game away!!

Try My Best 05 May 22 00:06 
Are you laying the jolly for the Derby Rico? If so I might be interested.

What are you willing to lay non runner no bet?

Didn't think I would get a reply.

you dont want much do you.

you can have 1000?

Too short that Rico.

Well what a surprise. AOB had a proper Derby horse and his non staying guineas 3rd get an injury and can't run. You are lucky he did pull it out TYB otherwise you would have been donating to a bookies benefit. I give you more credit than to have taken 2-1 after the guineas, even though you thought he was unbeatable.

I think Ryan Moore and Aidan know slightly more than you. Trial after trial winner for the Ballydoyle boys and you only had to see Moore's response to the question who he thought was best. You are mighty lucky that he is not running. Would have been good to see you running for cover. Are you saying the horse has not got an injury?

doubt we'll see Luxembourg in the Autumn - trainer's record with his 3yos is dismal at that time of year. More likely 2023 - or not at all.

I think Ryan Moore and Aidan know slightly more than you.

Moore's record at picking the wrong one in the Derby is exceptional

Do you think he gets to choose all the time? The anti Ballydoyle bias on here is quite something. Thought they might have been congratulated for their winning exploits and consistency.

i suprised after tits guineas run you thort it would win a derby...wasnt remotely eyecatching imo.

Aye ok.

I think AOB has 5 left in plus a couple of his sons. I suppose he is a decent bet to win it with his mob handed tactics.