grand national i picked first five once and had winner few times picking them this way

You've got a great team to go to war with mepoor, I particularly like Burrows Saint and Snow Leopardess although I couldn't rule out any of your 5. GL

If he has to go back to Rubstic I suggest he is using a pin!

i did wonder if any one would ask how i did it, and deff not a pin lol. there is a common sense strategy to it.
first of all you delete any horse that has fell,pulled up, unseated,run out,basically any horse that has never finished a race in its career for any reason.
then you delete any horse that has never won over  3 miles minimum,
and basically these two moves leave you with my horses.
the next logical move would be to look at going if good ground burrows saint and kildisart would be the main two.
if soft ground the other three.
i might add there has been no horse younger than 8 win the race since before world war 2 dosnt mean alot but still.
lately the trend seems to be going down to  8 or 9, but two things you need for national is power to stay strong on feet at fences and speed to not get to attached,
so form is the final part of jig saw to try get winner and there is no doubt snow leapardess is worthy fav having won over fences lately and kildisart on his great run second at cheltenham is very good but has been lightly raced for what ever reason hopefully fit as he would fit bill,longhouse poet seems to relish heavy so might be to quick for him,burrow saint finish fourth in race before on similar ground so deff has most things right and extra year could make his stamina more,goodboy bobby he has only won once over 3 miles so deff stamina worry but he jumps well and should have speed to be right up there i can see him being one of those horse at half way your loving his jumping just hoping he dosnt just die.
hope the reason makes sense to most.

Problem with Snow Leopardess is the fact that no Mare has won for over 70 years.

Think he meant detached tyred

Maori Venture and Seagram (a couple of my picks) also liked to unseat or fall now and again

Anyone have the stats for mares who've gone into the race with a legitimate chance? Btw, Magic of Light almost ended the long losing run for mares in the race.

Foinavon had fallen, more than once. When he was trained by Tom Dreaper in Ireland, he fell once with Pat Taaffe. Betty Dreaper, Tom's wife, ran over to see if horse and jockey were ok. Pat was fine, but Foinavon was still lying down - eating grass. It was then they decided he was too lazy to be worth persevering with.

Going into the National, his form figs were 0F0040, all subsequent to Feb 4th, when he finished 2nd. The National was run on April 8.

The 4th of those figs was in the Cheltenham Gold Cup, and the last, the Saturday before Aintree, was in the April Fools Handicap at Leicester.

I think it's on Pathe news on youtube but it's funny how he ended up winning,

he was so far back that he completely missed all the mayhem ahead

ok i think i misread what you meant by the 4th, as in not finishing 4th but the fourth race in the series

elise, yes, sorry, it was a bit ambiguous. I meant the 4th figure in the sequence (a '0'), not the '4' in the sequence.

Fonavon finished 4th in the previous KG - Arkle's last race. Maigret was a 'bad' 3rd behind Dormant and Arkle, with Foinavon 5 lengths behind him. Scottish Final was a further 4 lengths back in 5th, and last to finish. Two fallers.

Anyone who is at all interested in racing should read the David Owen book Foinaven etc published in 2014 , a great read and you certainly feel a lot more empathy with the horse than before you read it .

yes i did mean not get detached ofcourse and ofcourse horses have won it before after misshaps but what i am saying is having sure footing more than jumping, and pace to be at least in contention are crucial. i have bet winners like mr frisk who i thought was very strong as lovely jumper and fast ground made him stick out, then red marauder because  the ground was heavy and i actually told any one a week before race if there was anything breed of gunner b bet it as love heavy and on day there was only one red marauder.thats why i mentioned ground earlier over that distance its crucial.
i am not saying its perfect by any means just stating fact that i done it before and worked, this forum badly needed some real horse racing chat i am sure every one would agree.

i didnt say i do this for every national, i said i done it once and got all five, but i study form and pick them for all differant reasons , i just thought any one looking for logical way to pick one would be interested and thats why i done it but if you look back in history there has been a few horses who won the race for those two reasons never having not finished a race and winning over at least three miles.but red maruader was breed of gunner b as i said and thats why i bet that one as stated, mr frisk loved firm ground hence why it broke course record in it.there is a lot of very clever clogs on here who i have never seen put a decent thread up in there life, yet the run every single thread down its the most bizzare thing, what i have stated is  5 horses and why and its there to see for any one interested so if not interested thats total fine, if some one could put up one of those 5 horses havnt  finished a race or won over 3 miles then i would understand critisized as i had it wrong.

Mepoor you won't be the first or last to relive an old betting experience but the old memory not got the details correct, it is still an interesting theory.

I recall reliving my first bet and I got the name, the course and the month and year correct but some one kindly told me I had got the price wrong (I thought it was 7/1 but it was 7/2) and the jockey and even on this thread my memory of Foinavon wasn't right. It's no big deal imo.

for a laugh ive just done a sort of reverse trends and got blaklion, coko beach, noble ****

I think what mepoor is trying to say in a nutshell is.....

It's not an exact science so do your own thing.

Double letter names. None have won since Mon Mome (100/1) in 2009. Another notable winner was Tipperary Tim (100/1) in 1928 and not forgetting Red Rum three times winner.

So it's about time for another.

Six go tomorrow

Brahna Bull 66/1

Dingo Dollar 50/1

Class Conti 100/1

Cloth Cap 25/1

Poker Party 66/1

Death Duty 33/1

Good luck, however you pick them.

Which one will be given the most "magic carrots" before kick-off?  is the likeliest.. imo.