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Hibore
26 Dec 21 22:26
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Went off far too fast. Fact. Well done Cry
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Report acey deucy December 26, 2021 10:41 PM GMT
Honestly i do despair sometimes.Sad
Report Hibore December 26, 2021 11:00 PM GMT
Consensus of trainers. Could have been a great race until run at Champion Chase pace on testing ground. Always going to throw up a strange result.

Doubt Ruby or AP would have praised her after watching previous races earlier that day. Nuts.

Maybe I’m wrong. Just vibe from Kempton.
Report Racingqueen December 26, 2021 11:15 PM GMT
one of the least to blame. went off too fast but taken on by Indo.

Cobden was clueless and Sheehan would never ride for Nicholls again if he had the choice imho
Report Racingqueen December 26, 2021 11:21 PM GMT
vibe from Kempton

Laugh

Tell the mugs to read a form book. Front runner taken on at the front doesn't mean the other mug jocks need to follow suit.

Frodons run was understandable once Minella Indo took her on.


What excuse does Cobden have for laying up with front runners?
What is Gavin Sheehans explanation for asking his mount for an effort 4 furlongs out?

Sheehans was by 4 furlongs the worst ride in the race

https://twitter.com/rob_hayward/status/1475218423932145664/photo/1
Report Hibore December 26, 2021 11:27 PM GMT
Trainers might be mugs but probably know more than muppets on here.

Unless you want to list your CV ?
Report smirnoff2therescue December 26, 2021 11:33 PM GMT
everyones an expert on ere hibore - you know that LaughLaughLaugh
Report Hibore December 26, 2021 11:42 PM GMT
Laugh

I’m sure a few on here could train a Gold Cup winner from their back yard.
Report GLASGOWCALLING December 26, 2021 11:45 PM GMT
Sounds like sour grapes to me, looking for excuses, try telling the

Winning connections she went off too fast.
Report the dealer December 27, 2021 12:01 AM GMT
"IF" she went off too fast, then surely the jocks who followed her should shoulder equal blame. Why would they follow a pace that was too fast, if it was that.
How did the in running times look ?
Report irishone December 27, 2021 7:58 AM GMT
She gave herself away in the interview at Down Royal after Frodon won there.
She was scared something would come up the inside.
Rachel got cut off at the bottom ofthe back straight but went up her inside at the bend at the end ofthe home straight, forcing frodon to go wide.
They went off fast because rachel was determined frodon would not dictate the pace.
Indo was all over the place on the all weather crossing
Report Manoleeds December 27, 2021 8:54 AM GMT

Dec 26, 2021 -- 11:21PM, Racingqueen wrote:


vibe from KemptonTell the mugs to read a form book. Front runner taken on at the front doesn't mean the other mug jocks need to follow suit.Frodons run was understandable once Minella Indo took her on.What excuse does Cobden have for laying up with front runners?What is Gavin Sheehans explanation for asking his mount for an effort 4 furlongs out?Sheehans was by 4 furlongs the worst ride in the racehttps://twitter.com/rob_hayward/status/1475218423932145664/photo/1


I'm still smarting from Sheehan's ride on Nina the Terrier.

Report jimmythewon December 27, 2021 9:28 AM GMT
This thread now holds the record for the highest percentage of utter p*** In a the thread. Frodon did not run his usual race??? Minella indo needed to be held up so that the speedier horses coul walk past him in the closing stages??? Utter drivel. A lot of talking through pockets apparent here. Ruining a race?? FFS, get a grip. Me. LAYED MI for a place. Cheltenham 26f form at Kempton?t
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 9:30 AM GMT
Grin
Report Hibore December 27, 2021 9:48 AM GMT
From the Racing Post review of the race. Great ride by Mullins when he saw what was unfolding up front btw.


This was a horse whose sole Grade 1 win came in a bumper more than three years ago and had not won in any capacity since December 2019. Before the race he said of Tornado Flyer’s chances: “On paper he has very little chance, with a bit of luck he might get into some of the small prize-money.”

£142,375 is a lot of prize-money by anyone’s standards, but if Tornado Flyer got lucky in any way it was in Frodon and Minella Indo taking each other on early. The first half mile of the race was run in consecutive sub-15 second furlongs. Tornado Flyer was second-last through the early stages, a good ten lengths off the leaders. While Rachael Blackmore and Bryony Frost cut each other’s throats, Mullins played the waiting game.
Report Storm Alert December 27, 2021 10:15 AM GMT
Early sub 15secs furlongs sealed Frost and Blackmore mounts fate. Taking each other on like that in the early part of the race reminded me of Scudamore and Brown on Beau Ranger and Desert Orchid in 87' and even the great Desert Orchid couldn't cope with crazy early fractions.

With those two setting crazy early fractions what was Cobden and Sheehan's excuses for committing four fences out? Similar question for Cooper I suppose. None of them covered themselves in glory. Mullins got lucky with the bad mistake at the first which effectively gave him no choice but to sit at the back, whether it was fate or he showed restraint, making his challenge after the 2nd last was the reason he won. I doubt Tornado Flyer will ever win a G1 chase again.
Report duncan idaho December 27, 2021 10:22 AM GMT
they went too fast but that hardly makes it a great ride from DM...he was on an habitual hold-up horse that was unproven at the trip, what else is he going to do...there's not a jock in the land who wouldnt have sat out the back and hoped it fell into his lap
Report differentdrum December 27, 2021 10:34 AM GMT
The only thing I couldn't understand was why she didn't cross to the rail when she was clear. She lined up wide to start with, but riding a front runner she was effectively pushed into going faster than she wanted to go by Minella Indo.
Report Ramruma December 27, 2021 10:50 AM GMT
Rachael must have questions to answer too. Since when has Minella Indo been a front-runner? It looks like she was obsessed with getting revenge on Frodon after Down Royal rather than winning the King George. At one point she even rushed Minella Indo up on the bend solely to push Frodon out wide before dropping back again.
Report Ramruma December 27, 2021 10:52 AM GMT
And btw, I think Rachael is the best jumps jockey currently riding, just not yesterday.
Report spyker December 27, 2021 10:57 AM GMT
At least frodon backers knew their fate early, whatever the other jocks did, that pace was silly
Report cardifffc December 27, 2021 11:15 AM GMT
i backed the winner so i thought briony did great...was also happy to see brian cooper depart at the last but i think TF would still have won
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 11:19 AM GMT
Brian Frost and Becky horror show.
Composure out the window.
Few more rides like that BF and Wadham will be your main work master Wink
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 11:20 AM GMT
Rachael not Becky. Who is Becky Confused
Report Brian December 27, 2021 11:26 AM GMT
How any one can blame a single jockey when the pace is too fast is beyond my simple mind. It implies all those senior jockeys are totally brainless
Report 1st time poster December 27, 2021 11:28 AM GMT
i backed the winner ew 1st 4 but batterig 4 of the 1st 7 fences doesnt arve help make your mind up where to be positioned in a race Laugh
Report FOYLESWAR December 27, 2021 11:31 AM GMT
guys it dont matter ,cant change the way the race was run or result yesterdays news ,look ahead not back .
Report happysandwich December 27, 2021 11:41 AM GMT
Brian,

“Brian Frost and Becky horror show”

I think the Jumping cuckoo’s taken a shine to you - he can’t get you off his mindLaugh
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 11:43 AM GMT
She's Brian...............................to her mates Wink
Report racing6699 December 27, 2021 12:11 PM GMT
It just proves yet again how one dimensional most jockeys are. they literally dont have a plan b. I agree - i think Mullins didnt have some great tactical plan he just got lucky in the circumstances.
Report ItsMeSwaddle December 27, 2021 12:21 PM GMT
Stinking ride, but she is untouchable.
Report Big muff December 27, 2021 1:14 PM GMT
Absolutely braindead ride imo. I think the clock in her head got well and truly stuck
Report duncan idaho December 27, 2021 1:17 PM GMT
it's the horse that's one-dimensional...if it needs to lead, your hand is forced
Report duncan idaho December 27, 2021 1:18 PM GMT
last year nothing took her on...this year something did
Report geoff m December 27, 2021 1:19 PM GMT
Bryony ruined the King George.
Hibore
Hibore26 Dec 21 22:26Joined: 23 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 25,414 | Blogger: Hibore's blog
Went off far too fast. Fact. Well done



Made it a better race than if they had gone a crawl
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 27, 2021 1:23 PM GMT
Im a big fan but she got the pace wrong but still managed to finish 4th, Sheehan rode worse that a 10lb claimer.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 1:27 PM GMT
I'm sure that the connections of Frodon are delighted Brian made it a better race for us watchers as the poor steed fell out the back of the telly Laugh
Hope it hasn't bottomed the horse.
Report LoyalHoncho December 27, 2021 1:33 PM GMT
I think that's coming anyway j-c-m. and have done since Nicholls almost totally ignored her in the winners enclosure a race or two ago.  The one thing he doesn't want at his yard door is controversy, of whatever nature.
I don't know if the female Ms Frost ruined the race or not but she most certainly ruined the chance of Frodon.  Finished miles adrift in a lucky fourth place for win and place backers on here.
I agree with several posts on here but for me Duncan's post about the Mullins tactic is the most apt.  I'm glad the lad won the race because he's a good jockey and seems a decent lad but the race definitely fell into his lap.
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 1:51 PM GMT
"the female Ms Frost" I'd never have guessed.
Report Racingqueen December 27, 2021 1:51 PM GMT
it's the horse that's one-dimensional...if it needs to lead, your hand is forced

Now don't go spouting facts around here. They aren't wanted Laugh
Report geoff m December 27, 2021 1:54 PM GMT
Ibrahim hit nail on head .Sheehan by far worst ride in race. But amateur race watchers either arent aware or ignore to suit their own twisted agenda.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 1:54 PM GMT
You can lead at a beneficial pace for your horse though
Any dope can go off full pelt.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 1:55 PM GMT
The thread is about Brian, Geoff
My god you fans are so guts deep in her you can't stand a bit of criticism Laugh
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 1:56 PM GMT
"Consensus of trainers."
What do they know?
More people in the game we must ignore, apparently
Report geoff m December 27, 2021 1:57 PM GMT
How much did you bet /win Laying Frodon??
Report geoff m December 27, 2021 1:59 PM GMT
Bryony riding Get The Appeal .How ironic.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 2:03 PM GMT
I backed her there. Not a bad ride on an outsider. I backed Tornado Geoff Shocked
Report layingisthewayforward December 27, 2021 2:04 PM GMT
Who says the race was ruined? OP backed Frodon i take it?
Report Hibore December 27, 2021 2:42 PM GMT
No, backed Chantry House. The post wasn’t about a lost bet it was how a race which should have been a classic was ruined by two stupid women.

I wanted to see a proper race not a farce.
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 2:48 PM GMT
No stupid men around then?
Report Racingqueen December 27, 2021 2:49 PM GMT
notice how Hibore uses the term "two stupid women'.....not two stupid jockeys.


We all know what Hibores real problem is LaughLaughLaugh
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 2:51 PM GMT
A bit like an earlier comment on this thread by another poster "The female Ms Frost"Plain
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 3:08 PM GMT
Fished to perfection Hibore Grin
Report duncan idaho December 27, 2021 3:10 PM GMT
Jumping-cuckoo-monk  27 Dec 21 13:54

You can lead at a beneficial pace for your horse though



not if another horse also wants to lead....fairly obviously, yday she had to go quicker than M Indo if she wanted to lead...and that was too quick
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 3:12 PM GMT
Well, I'm still not sure that excuses a suicidal pace for Frodon
Who is she trying to get to win?
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 3:16 PM GMT
Cuckoo clock trying his hand now. Plain
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 3:19 PM GMT
I've seen front runners concede the lead if they are going too fast
Is that not a decent strategy?
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 3:21 PM GMT
She probably was going too fast but that does not excuse the others following that pace.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 3:22 PM GMT
You don't need to narrate sparrow
We are all discussing one of the biggest races of the year on a h/r forum
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 3:25 PM GMT
What is that supposed to mean by way of an answer?
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 3:26 PM GMT
Discussing this big race by accusing people of fishing, yeah right cuckoo.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 3:30 PM GMT
I don't need you to pipe up saying cuckoo is trying his hand now.
That's narration old boy. No need.
Report sparrow December 27, 2021 3:34 PM GMT
Oh I apologise profusely if I have offended you, young man.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 27, 2021 3:36 PM GMT
That's better Grin
Report TOP3MAN December 27, 2021 3:39 PM GMT
OP = Robbie Dunne
Report loper December 27, 2021 4:13 PM GMT
OP = Robbie Dunne

Afraid not, merely an acolyte of Jcm, the real RD.
Report layingisthewayforward December 27, 2021 5:08 PM GMT
Hibore, the race was ruined by 2 stupid women?

Can i have some of what you're smoking please?
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 December 27, 2021 5:10 PM GMT
Apparently Danny Mullins had a chat with Ruby about tactics in this. One of the best judges of pace is still winning races despite being retired!
Report brendrew December 27, 2021 5:21 PM GMT
mullins rode them to sleep-blackmore taking on frodon not once but twice.
sheehan and cobden taking each other on 3 from home.
All cut each others throats.
Report Hibore December 27, 2021 5:34 PM GMT
This thread is like arguing with the anti vaxers. Facts don’t seem to matter or have any relevance?

I’m expecting someone to threaten to break my legs for posting anything negative about Ms Frost.
Report LoyalHoncho December 27, 2021 6:46 PM GMT
Nothing wrong with my calling her "the female Ms Frost".  For me she lost the right to be called "a jockey" when she made uncorroborated and unsubstantiated allegations of sexual misconduct against a male jockey.  Which she did of her own volition.  She used the sex/gender card to garner support, horror and sympathy, in order to blacken the name of a male jockey.
Get used to it because from now on I am going to be calling her the the "female Ms Frost".
She started it.
Report impossible123 December 27, 2021 7:49 PM GMT
It was without doubt Bryony went off too fast on that tacky ground - the jocks in the previous races clearly indicated that. Also, with Minella Indo (MI) up with the pace cutting each other's throat neither would have figured at the business end; the ride on Clan Des Obeaux (CDO) was not too clever either, still better than the last renewal as CDO was watching the other hyped horse (stablemate) which gifted the race to Bryony and Frodon deservedly.

Chantry House ran like a pig. His trainer did not cover himself with glory either running him on that ground, and a track that did not suit. I honestly thought Hendo would have learnt from the run of Santini last renewal, clearly not!
Report FOYLESWAR December 27, 2021 7:54 PM GMT
last year they let bryony set the fractions are yas saying they shoulda let her have it easy up front again ?
Report FOYLESWAR December 27, 2021 7:57 PM GMT
if me arnt had balls she be me unkle ! no matter who yer think was right or wrong it wont change the result,get over it !
Report impossible123 December 27, 2021 8:02 PM GMT
Last year it was g/soft, yesterday soft (probably much softer) as indicated by the winning time. A bit of professional astuteness and competence eg a clock in the head would have saved the blushes of a few jocks yesterday, I firmly believe.
Report irishone December 27, 2021 8:13 PM GMT
We all know what Hibores real problem is !
Report irishone December 27, 2021 8:13 PM GMT
We all know what Hibores real problem is !
Report irishone December 27, 2021 8:14 PM GMT
We all know what Hibores real problem is !
Report irishone December 27, 2021 8:15 PM GMT
layingisthewayforward27 Dec 21 17:08Joined: 08 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 3,662 | Blogger: layingisthewayforward's blog
Hibore, the race was ruined by 2 stupid women?

Can i have some of what you're smoking please?
Report irishone December 27, 2021 8:17 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaughExcitedLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

ROTFPMSL
Report irishone December 28, 2021 12:50 PM GMT
He just wanted to wave his willy in front of her
Report geoff m December 28, 2021 12:54 PM GMT
Good job she didnt win else the Bully Dunne would have lobbed his can of special brew thro the telly.
Report brendrew December 28, 2021 12:58 PM GMT
he must be loving that she is on  a grade 1 at leop in the savills chase.
Report ballyregan December 28, 2021 12:58 PM GMT
Robbie Dunne should feel hard done by with his willy waggling John Barrowman is a serial willy waggler in front of castmates on the Dr Who set and he was back on itv just this weekend
Report ItsMeSwaddle December 30, 2021 12:50 PM GMT
Yes its a novice race but can Big Paul Nics not find a jockey for the festival...Cobden and Frost simply awful. Worse than Nico!!!
Report Hibore December 30, 2021 9:19 PM GMT
Notice Lydia and Ruby didn’t mention Frodon by name when analysing the King George pace. Dare they mention anything negative about Bryony ?
Report Ramruma December 30, 2021 10:41 PM GMT
Apart from the times they mentioned Frodon, that is.
Report Hibore December 30, 2021 10:49 PM GMT
Don’t recall them saying Frodon/Bryony went a suicidal pace. They generalised and said race run much too fast.

Called out Gavin Sheehan though.
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