Bryony ruined the King George.

Honestly i do despair sometimes.

Consensus of trainers. Could have been a great race until run at Champion Chase pace on testing ground. Always going to throw up a strange result.

Doubt Ruby or AP would have praised her after watching previous races earlier that day. Nuts.

Maybe I’m wrong. Just vibe from Kempton.

one of the least to blame. went off too fast but taken on by Indo.

Cobden was clueless and Sheehan would never ride for Nicholls again if he had the choice imho

vibe from Kempton



Tell the mugs to read a form book. Front runner taken on at the front doesn't mean the other mug jocks need to follow suit.

Frodons run was understandable once Minella Indo took her on.


What excuse does Cobden have for laying up with front runners?
What is Gavin Sheehans explanation for asking his mount for an effort 4 furlongs out?

Sheehans was by 4 furlongs the worst ride in the race

https://twitter.com/rob_hayward/status/1475218423932145664/photo/1

Trainers might be mugs but probably know more than muppets on here.

Unless you want to list your CV ?

everyones an expert on ere hibore - you know that

I’m sure a few on here could train a Gold Cup winner from their back yard.

Sounds like sour grapes to me, looking for excuses, try telling the

Winning connections she went off too fast.

"IF" she went off too fast, then surely the jocks who followed her should shoulder equal blame. Why would they follow a pace that was too fast, if it was that.
How did the in running times look ?

She gave herself away in the interview at Down Royal after Frodon won there.
She was scared something would come up the inside.
Rachel got cut off at the bottom ofthe back straight but went up her inside at the bend at the end ofthe home straight, forcing frodon to go wide.
They went off fast because rachel was determined frodon would not dictate the pace.
Indo was all over the place on the all weather crossing

Dec 26, 2021 -- 11:21PM, Racingqueen wrote:

vibe from KemptonTell the mugs to read a form book. Front runner taken on at the front doesn't mean the other mug jocks need to follow suit.Frodons run was understandable once Minella Indo took her on.What excuse does Cobden have for laying up with front runners?What is Gavin Sheehans explanation for asking his mount for an effort 4 furlongs out?Sheehans was by 4 furlongs the worst ride in the racehttps://twitter.com/rob_hayward/status/1475218423932145664/photo/1

I'm still smarting from Sheehan's ride on Nina the Terrier.

This thread now holds the record for the highest percentage of utter p*** In a the thread. Frodon did not run his usual race??? Minella indo needed to be held up so that the speedier horses coul walk past him in the closing stages??? Utter drivel. A lot of talking through pockets apparent here. Ruining a race?? FFS, get a grip. Me. LAYED MI for a place. Cheltenham 26f form at Kempton?t

From the Racing Post review of the race. Great ride by Mullins when he saw what was unfolding up front btw.


This was a horse whose sole Grade 1 win came in a bumper more than three years ago and had not won in any capacity since December 2019. Before the race he said of Tornado Flyer’s chances: “On paper he has very little chance, with a bit of luck he might get into some of the small prize-money.”

£142,375 is a lot of prize-money by anyone’s standards, but if Tornado Flyer got lucky in any way it was in Frodon and Minella Indo taking each other on early. The first half mile of the race was run in consecutive sub-15 second furlongs. Tornado Flyer was second-last through the early stages, a good ten lengths off the leaders. While Rachael Blackmore and Bryony Frost cut each other’s throats, Mullins played the waiting game.

Early sub 15secs furlongs sealed Frost and Blackmore mounts fate. Taking each other on like that in the early part of the race reminded me of Scudamore and Brown on Beau Ranger and Desert Orchid in 87' and even the great Desert Orchid couldn't cope with crazy early fractions.

With those two setting crazy early fractions what was Cobden and Sheehan's excuses for committing four fences out? Similar question for Cooper I suppose. None of them covered themselves in glory. Mullins got lucky with the bad mistake at the first which effectively gave him no choice but to sit at the back, whether it was fate or he showed restraint, making his challenge after the 2nd last was the reason he won. I doubt Tornado Flyer will ever win a G1 chase again.

they went too fast but that hardly makes it a great ride from DM...he was on an habitual hold-up horse that was unproven at the trip, what else is he going to do...there's not a jock in the land who wouldnt have sat out the back and hoped it fell into his lap

The only thing I couldn't understand was why she didn't cross to the rail when she was clear. She lined up wide to start with, but riding a front runner she was effectively pushed into going faster than she wanted to go by Minella Indo.

Rachael must have questions to answer too. Since when has Minella Indo been a front-runner? It looks like she was obsessed with getting revenge on Frodon after Down Royal rather than winning the King George. At one point she even rushed Minella Indo up on the bend solely to push Frodon out wide before dropping back again.

And btw, I think Rachael is the best jumps jockey currently riding, just not yesterday.

At least frodon backers knew their fate early, whatever the other jocks did, that pace was silly

i backed the winner so i thought briony did great...was also happy to see brian cooper depart at the last but i think TF would still have won

Brian Frost and Becky horror show.
Composure out the window.
Few more rides like that BF and Wadham will be your main work master

Rachael not Becky. Who is Becky

How any one can blame a single jockey when the pace is too fast is beyond my simple mind. It implies all those senior jockeys are totally brainless

i backed the winner ew 1st 4 but batterig 4 of the 1st 7 fences doesnt arve help make your mind up where to be positioned in a race

guys it dont matter ,cant change the way the race was run or result yesterdays news ,look ahead not back .

Brian,

“Brian Frost and Becky horror show”

I think the Jumping cuckoo’s taken a shine to you - he can’t get you off his mind

She's Brian...............................to her mates

It just proves yet again how one dimensional most jockeys are. they literally dont have a plan b. I agree - i think Mullins didnt have some great tactical plan he just got lucky in the circumstances.

Stinking ride, but she is untouchable.

Absolutely braindead ride imo. I think the clock in her head got well and truly stuck

it's the horse that's one-dimensional...if it needs to lead, your hand is forced

last year nothing took her on...this year something did

Bryony ruined the King George.
Hibore
Hibore26 Dec 21 22:26Joined: 23 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 25,414 | Blogger: Hibore's blog
Went off far too fast. Fact. Well done



Made it a better race than if they had gone a crawl

Im a big fan but she got the pace wrong but still managed to finish 4th, Sheehan rode worse that a 10lb claimer.

I'm sure that the connections of Frodon are delighted Brian made it a better race for us watchers as the poor steed fell out the back of the telly
Hope it hasn't bottomed the horse.

I think that's coming anyway j-c-m. and have done since Nicholls almost totally ignored her in the winners enclosure a race or two ago.  The one thing he doesn't want at his yard door is controversy, of whatever nature.
I don't know if the female Ms Frost ruined the race or not but she most certainly ruined the chance of Frodon.  Finished miles adrift in a lucky fourth place for win and place backers on here.
I agree with several posts on here but for me Duncan's post about the Mullins tactic is the most apt.  I'm glad the lad won the race because he's a good jockey and seems a decent lad but the race definitely fell into his lap.

"the female Ms Frost" I'd never have guessed.

it's the horse that's one-dimensional...if it needs to lead, your hand is forced

Now don't go spouting facts around here. They aren't wanted

Ibrahim hit nail on head .Sheehan by far worst ride in race. But amateur race watchers either arent aware or ignore to suit their own twisted agenda.

You can lead at a beneficial pace for your horse though
Any dope can go off full pelt.

The thread is about Brian, Geoff
My god you fans are so guts deep in her you can't stand a bit of criticism

"Consensus of trainers."
What do they know?
More people in the game we must ignore, apparently

How much did you bet /win Laying Frodon??

Bryony riding Get The Appeal .How ironic.

I backed her there. Not a bad ride on an outsider. I backed Tornado Geoff

Who says the race was ruined? OP backed Frodon i take it?

No, backed Chantry House. The post wasn’t about a lost bet it was how a race which should have been a classic was ruined by two stupid women.

I wanted to see a proper race not a farce.

No stupid men around then?

notice how Hibore uses the term "two stupid women'.....not two stupid jockeys.


We all know what Hibores real problem is

A bit like an earlier comment on this thread by another poster "The female Ms Frost"

Fished to perfection Hibore

Jumping-cuckoo-monk  27 Dec 21 13:54

You can lead at a beneficial pace for your horse though


not if another horse also wants to lead....fairly obviously, yday she had to go quicker than M Indo if she wanted to lead...and that was too quick

Well, I'm still not sure that excuses a suicidal pace for Frodon
Who is she trying to get to win?

Cuckoo clock trying his hand now.

I've seen front runners concede the lead if they are going too fast
Is that not a decent strategy?

She probably was going too fast but that does not excuse the others following that pace.

You don't need to narrate sparrow
We are all discussing one of the biggest races of the year on a h/r forum

What is that supposed to mean by way of an answer?

Discussing this big race by accusing people of fishing, yeah right cuckoo.

I don't need you to pipe up saying cuckoo is trying his hand now.
That's narration old boy. No need.

Oh I apologise profusely if I have offended you, young man.

That's better

OP = Robbie Dunne

OP = Robbie Dunne

Afraid not, merely an acolyte of Jcm, the real RD.

Hibore, the race was ruined by 2 stupid women?

Can i have some of what you're smoking please?

Apparently Danny Mullins had a chat with Ruby about tactics in this. One of the best judges of pace is still winning races despite being retired!

mullins rode them to sleep-blackmore taking on frodon not once but twice.
sheehan and cobden taking each other on 3 from home.
All cut each others throats.

This thread is like arguing with the anti vaxers. Facts don’t seem to matter or have any relevance?

I’m expecting someone to threaten to break my legs for posting anything negative about Ms Frost.

Nothing wrong with my calling her "the female Ms Frost".  For me she lost the right to be called "a jockey" when she made uncorroborated and unsubstantiated allegations of sexual misconduct against a male jockey.  Which she did of her own volition.  She used the sex/gender card to garner support, horror and sympathy, in order to blacken the name of a male jockey.
Get used to it because from now on I am going to be calling her the the "female Ms Frost".
She started it.

It was without doubt Bryony went off too fast on that tacky ground - the jocks in the previous races clearly indicated that. Also, with Minella Indo (MI) up with the pace cutting each other's throat neither would have figured at the business end; the ride on Clan Des Obeaux (CDO) was not too clever either, still better than the last renewal as CDO was watching the other hyped horse (stablemate) which gifted the race to Bryony and Frodon deservedly.

Chantry House ran like a pig. His trainer did not cover himself with glory either running him on that ground, and a track that did not suit. I honestly thought Hendo would have learnt from the run of Santini last renewal, clearly not!

last year they let bryony set the fractions are yas saying they shoulda let her have it easy up front again ?

if me arnt had balls she be me unkle ! no matter who yer think was right or wrong it wont change the result,get over it !

Last year it was g/soft, yesterday soft (probably much softer) as indicated by the winning time. A bit of professional astuteness and competence eg a clock in the head would have saved the blushes of a few jocks yesterday, I firmly believe.

We all know what Hibores real problem is !

We all know what Hibores real problem is !

We all know what Hibores real problem is !

layingisthewayforward27 Dec 21 17:08Joined: 08 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 3,662 | Blogger: layingisthewayforward's blog
Hibore, the race was ruined by 2 stupid women?

Can i have some of what you're smoking please?

ROTFPMSL

He just wanted to wave his willy in front of her

Good job she didnt win else the Bully Dunne would have lobbed his can of special brew thro the telly.

he must be loving that she is on  a grade 1 at leop in the savills chase.

Robbie Dunne should feel hard done by with his willy waggling John Barrowman is a serial willy waggler in front of castmates on the Dr Who set and he was back on itv just this weekend

Yes its a novice race but can Big Paul Nics not find a jockey for the festival...Cobden and Frost simply awful. Worse than Nico!!!

Notice Lydia and Ruby didn’t mention Frodon by name when analysing the King George pace. Dare they mention anything negative about Bryony ?

Apart from the times they mentioned Frodon, that is.

Don’t recall them saying Frodon/Bryony went a suicidal pace. They generalised and said race run much too fast.

Called out Gavin Sheehan though.