Boris’s Bottle

HS is back - Hallelujah!!

You can't use BSP as a determining factor if laying to level stake.  If you lay to a max BSP of 6.0 you need to lay to a set liability.

If you are laying to a price

Sorry lost most of my post there.

Options are

lay at BSP to set liability in which case stakes vary

or guess liability to win roughly a tenner, stakes will vary less but will still do so and rarely be exactly £10

or lay at a price

chopped it again.  I don't think it likes a less than or equals sign.

Last option should read lay at a given price (maximum 6.0) but say you lay a winner at 5.2 which returns at a BSP of 6.2 you lose £42 but it is recorded as a no bet.

Just wondering what you do in practice.

Six six six,

I’m not betting to a set liability. That would mean risking £50 every race.
I watch every race and wait until the last minute if need be, when I’m certain the odds are 6.00 or under. Over 6.00 and I leave the race alone.

You can't guarantee what the BSP will be.
Noble **** tells you that.

Hi Happysandwich,

Really glad to see you back posting on the forum.
As you have stated on many occasions this thread is just a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously.
Ignore the killjoy, he can’t help himself, so will be back at some point.

Good luck

Ok happy that makes sense.  A lot of monitoring though.  Good luck.

Thanks Lucky,

"As you have stated on many occasions this thread is just a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously."

You hit the nail on the head.

This is the 2nd time in 21 weeks me & Mrs H have seen our Winter Fuel Allowance money double.

At this rate we could get the gas boiler fixed.

Six_six_six,

This is my bet on the 2:15 Kelso including time I put it on & odds taken. Does that make it clearer?
That was a really exciting race, it looked certain to win in the last 50yds.
All 3 at Chester will be No Bets. The last 3 races look like ‘goers’.

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Goodtimes Badtimes
3.95
£10.00
£39.50
Ref: 267120257446 Matched: 14:11 04-May-22

Eborman,
HS is back - Hallelujah!!

Amen to that.

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Seddon
3.1
£10.00
£31.00
Ref: 267131299878 Matched: 16:00 04-May-22

Good to see you back HS. Best of luck.

Thanks Brian,

Just the Kempton 8:00 Soar Above and we're done for the day.

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds Backer's stake Your liability
Light Lily
3.5
£10.00
£25.00
Ref: 267158347802 Submitted: 19:28 04-May-22

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Soar Above
5
£2.54
£12.70
Ref: 267161563581 Matched: 19:57 04-May-22
Soar Above
5
£7.46
£37.30
Ref: 267161563581 Matched: 19:56 04-May-22

Boris’s Bottle has just turned into a Monkey.

But for how long ?

Today on my Google Sheet I’ve put the Betfair prices at the side that were available last night (Week 22).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_NbwCB7bvZhuTUFzjK5tzv5rEwBss-h05hKGENL9v-o/edit?usp=sharing

Interesting because the last 4 are all bigger this morning.
I’ll continue to do this and see if it’s beneficial, not necessarily price wise.
Bet over night for example.

WEEK 22
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday 9th May
Musselburgh 3:20	Aquamas	1st	2/1	3.34	£23.40
Southwell 6:50	Clear The Runway	1st	2/7	1.34	£3.40
Southwell 7:20	Coatguard Station	7th	10/11	2.06		£10.00
Tuesday 10th May
Chepstow 1:15	Dundory	4th	5/2	3.67		£10.00
Beverlry 3:40	Elixsoft	3rd	15/8	2.93		£10.00
Newcastle 5:30	Murau	3rd	5/6	1.91		£10.00
Wednesday 11th May
Newton Abbot 2:35	Oxwich Bay	2nd	8/1	11.00			No Bet
York 3:00	Highfield Princess	1st	11/2	7.11			No Bet
Gowran Park 3:50	Evening Verse	3rd	9/1	14.00			No Bet
Bath 5:30	Symbol Of Hope	4th	13/2	9.83			No Bet
Bath 7:00	Eight Of Diamonds	2nd	7/4	2.93		£10.00
Perth 8:10	Takethepunishment	3rd	100/30	4.93		£10.00
Perth 8:40	Petite Rhapsody	2nd	9/2	6.40			No Bet
Thursday 12th May
Salisbury 2:05	Viadelamore	5th	3/1	4.03		£10.00
York 3:00	Lightening Company	5th	14/1	19.50			No Bet
Salisbury 3:45	After Eight	3rd	6/1	8.13			No Bet
Salisbury 4:18	Regal Envoy	2nd	2/1	3.58		£10.00
Newmarket 5:25	Lucia Jay	5th	11/4	3.95		£10.00
Clonmel 7:55	Ciankyle	10th	20/1	34.00			No Bet
Newmarket 8:20	Kitsune Power	2nd	5/2	4.27		£10.00
Friday 13th May
Newmarket 1:10	Liangel Hope	4th	10/1	12.60			No Bet
York 1:50	Jungle Time	7th	25/1	29.50			No Bet
York 1:50	Primrose Ridge	6th	10/1	12.90			No Bet
York 1:50	Yahsat	2nd	7/2	5.25			No Bet
York 3:35	Max Vega	5th	7/1	7.90			No Bet
Aintree 5:50	Carran Cross	3rd	7/4	3.13		£10.00
Aintree 8:45	Fascinating Rhythm	10th	10/1	10.80			No Bet
Saturday 14th May
Newmarket 1:50	Groundbreaker	4th	13/2	8.40			No Bet
Bangor-On-Dee 2:15	Charlie's Glance	P.U.	3/1	4.60		£10.00
Newmarket 2:25	I'm A Gambler	9th	9/1	12.50			No Bet
Wexford 2:30	Imperial Ruler	5th	5/2	3.80		£10.00
Navan 3:15	Collective Power	5th	17/2	7.52			No Bet
Chelmsford 3:10	Flying Standard	5th	6/1	10.00			No Bet
Thirsk 3:30	Mandobi	1st	30/100	1.33	£3.30
Bangor-On-Dee 4:00	Outback Frontiers	2nd	11/4	4.35		£10.00
Doncaster 6:05	Lady Reset	2nd	4/1	6.38			No Bet
Doncaster 6:35	Definitive Force	8th	11/4	4.30		£10.00
Doncaster 8:10	Roudemental	3rd	9/4	3.38			No Bet
Doncaster 8:10	Come On John	4th	9/2	6.60			No Bet
Sunday 15th May
Stratford 1:52	Give Me A Cuddle	1st	2/1	3.53	£25.30
Naas 2:45	Comhra	2nd	7/2	5.00		£10.00
Stratford 3:52	Lily Glitters	3rd	5/4	2.36		£10.00
				Weekly Totals	£55.40	£170.00
				Weekly P/L		£114.60
				Losing bets	4
				Winning bets	17
				No Bets	21
			Weekly	Losing	Winning
	Lost	Won	Profit	Bets	Bets	No Bets
Week 1	£57.50	£170.00	£112.30	4	17	11
Week 2	£54.20	£60.00	£5.80	4	6	7
Week 3	£116.80	£150.00	£33.20	6	15	24
Week 4	£143.10	£160.00	£16.90	7	16	4
Week 5	£100.90	£60.00	£40.90	5	6	10
Week 6	£129.80	£90.00	£39.80	6	9	15
Week 7	£76.60	£110.00	£33.40	4	11	20
Week 8	£61.85	£130.00	£68.15	5	13	23
Week 9	85.70	£120.00	£34.30	6	12	13
Week 10	£211.60	£50.00	£161.60	9	5	20
Week 11	£80.20	£130.00	£49.80	6	13	15
Week 12	£202.71	£140.00	£62.71	11	14	18
Week 13	£131.20	£160.00	£28.80	6	16	18
Week 14	£34.40	£70.00	£35.60	2	7	40
Week 15	£80.20	£40.00	£40.20	6	4	12
Week 16	£175.40	£140.00	£35.40	8	14	12
Week 17	£94.50	£150.00	£55.50	8	15	27
Week 18	£117.90	£150.00	£32.10	5	15	41
Week 19	£87.50	£140.00	£52.50	5	14	22
Week 20	£135.80	£190.00	£54.20	9	19	46
Week 21	£147.10	£190.00	£42.90	10	19	25
Week 22	£55.40	£170.00	£114.60	4	17	21
		Overall P/L	£389.44	136	277	444
		Boris's Bottle	£200.00
		Total	£589.44

HS

A licence to print money!!

Well done... a lot of form study and analysis must go into your system

HS

A licence to print money!!

Well done... a lot of form study and analysis must go into your system....with a little help from Mrs HS, no doubt

What I admire the most is that after sixteen weeks of positive/negative variance in equal amounts you would have been losing a little (after commission) but because you don't pay commission you didn't realise this. So after sixteen weeks of following this utterly pointless sh1te and going absolutely nowhere, you stuck it out knowing that there were a few weeks of positive variance just around the corner. Pure genius. And fun to boot!

Happysandwich

WD, keep it going and with commission at 20p a winner, a nice profit after 22 weeks.

Eborman

I know Mrs H celebrates with Hi-5's adding to the fun aspect. Happy does it more as a daily project to keep himself amused, he's never bothered about the money, i know this for a fact.

Andrew

Yep followed both this thread and all yours from the beginning.

Long may HappyS continue with this, and indeed you with yours - main reasons for me continuing to read BF Horse Racing Forum!!

PS ... my bank balance needs topping up after 3 days at the Dante Meeting... so please help a poor Yorkshireman with some more of your profitable lays!!!!

Cheers Eborman

Eborman,

Better than my old John Bull printing outfit.

Andrew,
An interesting fact.
Starting with 20 pts  on any day over the last 22 weeks it would still be showing a profit and at no point would you have been out of the game.
Hope a few on here make a note of that and try it.

“Happy does it more as a daily project to keep himself amused, he's never bothered about the money, i know this for a fact.�
Never a truer word said.

Eborman, just read your last post as I was about to press the send button.
Thanks, shows me my efforts aren’t wasted.

Try doing mine (and no other bets) for just a £10 a time, it won’t make you rich but it will give you a lot of fun.

Well done hp, you put an awful lot of work into this..

The Management 03 May 22 14:26 
I'm gonna leave this thread to HS

The Management 15 May 22 17:25 
What I admire the most is that after sixteen weeks of positive/negative variance in equal amounts you would have been losing a little (after commission) but because you don't pay commission you didn't realise this. So after sixteen weeks of following this utterly pointless sh1te and going absolutely nowhere, you stuck it out knowing that there were a few weeks of positive variance just around the corner. Pure genius. And fun to boot!

it took just under 2 weeks but you certainly are not a man of your own word

Individuals like The Management need a 'soft target'.

Recently TM had latched on to Gaze733 but as Gaze hasn't posted for a couple of weeks TM has switched his attention back to happysandwich.

Thanks Billy,

I’ve finally got it down to a fine art and it’s now a Labour of love (with the Conservatives money ).

tyred,

I’ve actually brought it on myself for being too successful.

top2rated16 May 22 10:22Joined: 28 Feb 04 | Topic/replies: 12,695 | Blogger: top2rated's blog
Individuals like The Management need a 'soft target'.


WALOFS - I'll happily challenge ANYBODY that is fiddling results, talking bollox, deluded or telling lies. hth.

he is quietly SEETHING now

^ Oh - And any half wits that start dozens of threads when they have absolutely nothing of interest to say.

I do whatever I like and no nobjob like you is going to tell me what to do, get a life and stop worrying about what others do !

Ffos Las 1:10 Wild Max 2nd 4/9 BFSP 1.49

^
Good start to the week and no surprise to me whatsoever because I’ve seen it happen so many times in the last 414 races I’ve bet on.

Well done Happy!

Another 20p in commission dodged - takes you to about £55.00 in total so far.

The OP's doing no one any harm,why don't you let it go.

Owe Kay. Rodger and Owt.

I took BFSP 6.00 although it returned 6.07.
So I'm taking that as a result.

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Run The Jewels
6
£1.24
£7.44
Ref: 268773924864 Matched: 18:41 18-May-22
Run The Jewels
6
£3.76
£22.56
Ref: 268773924864 Matched: 18:41 18-May-22
Run The Jewels
6
£5.00
£30.00
Ref: 268773924864 Matched: 18:41 18-May-22

I know you have already got away with a lot of fiddling your figures - and Wednesdays fiddle (above) doesn't seem to bother anybody either (it's just a bit of fun!) - but surely you aren't going to try and get away with just pretending that the 15:40 at Haydock never took place today?

There are so many other "errors" in your numbers - and they are always in your favour - but I don't think you can get away with just ignoring a winner at BFSP of 5.30! - That is a bit blatant, even for you! (imo).

WEEK 23
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday 16th May
Ffos Las 1:10	Wild Max	2nd	4/9	1.49		£10.00
Carlisle 2:30	Ghathanfar	6th	5/1	7.60			No Bet
Ffos Las 2:55	Jony Max	2nd	9/4	3.64			No Bet
Ffos Las 2:55	Lord Bryan	1st	5/2	3.61			No Bet
Carlisle 3:05	Detective	1st	7/2	5.49	£44.90
Leicester 5:50	Angels Landing	8th	20/1	28.00			No Bet
Leicester 6:50	Al Azhar	3rd	10/11	1.97		£10.00
Leicester 7:50	Pure Dreamer	1st	5/2	4.13	£31.30
Tuesday 17th May
Hexham 5:33	Johnson's Blue	1st	15/8	3.13	£21.30
Huntingdon 6:17	Mortlach	1st	4/6	1.69	£6.90
Killarney 7:55	Dark Voyager						No Bet
Wednesday 18th May
Warwick 3:30	Sofia's Rock	3rd	7/4	3.00		£10.00
Kempton 6:00	Encouraged	1st	13/8	2.81	£18.10
Cork 6:40	Run The Jewels	8th	4/1	6.00		£10.00
Thursday 19th May
Market Rasen 2:40	Diligent	4th	11/2	6.40			No Bet
Sandown 6:45	Nolton Cross	3rd	5/2	3.58		£10.00
Sandown 7:15	Akhu Najla	3rd	11/4	4.30			No Bet
Sandown 7:15	Encourageable	6th	25/1	37.40			No Bet
Friday 20th May
Goodwood 1:00	Kaasib	6th	11/4	3.93		£10.00
Goodwood 1:35	Pangloss	8th	12/1	17.30			No Bet
Bath 2:55	Amasova	4th	5/1	6.91			No Bet
Catterick 6:28	Yasmin From York	4th	11/4	4.46		£10.00
Worcester 6:55	Fountains Chief	1st	1/33	1.04	£0.04
Downpatrick 7:55	Handy Headon	1st	6/4	2.76	£17.60
Curragh 8:15	Moon Daisy	14th	18/1	29.20			No Bet
Saturday 21st May
Haydock 1:25	Sango	3rd	4/1	6.12			No Bet
Goodwood 1:45	Evocative Spark	9th	11/2	7.68			No Bet
Goodwood 1:45	Wonderful World	6th	9/1	12.00			No Bet
Haydock 2:35	Outgate	3rd	7/1	8.51			No Bet
Curragh 2:45	A Case Of You	3rd	13/8	2.76			No Bet
Curragh 2:45	Brad The Brief	1st	9/2	6.72			No Bet
Goodwood 2:50	Ravens Ark	4th	9/1	12.30			No Bet
York 2:55	Look Out Louis	14th	9/2	6.60			No Bet
Haydock 3:10	Go Bears Go	4th	9/4	3.75		£10.00
Curragh 3:20	Buckaroo	6th	3/1	5.87		£10.00
Goodwood 4:00	Haseefah	1st	13/2	7.40
York 4:07	Looking For Lynda	6th	3/1	4.42		£10.00
Curragh 4:30	Max Mayhem	9th	9/1	13.30			No Bet
Goodwood 4:35	Mr Beaufort	4th	3/1	4.50			No Bet
Goodwood 4:35	Bonita B	8th	12/1	18.60			No Bet
York 4:42	Golden Voice	2nd	15/8	3.15		£10.00
Lingfield 6:15	Major Gatsby	2nd	11/2	7.60			No Bet
Stratford 7:00	Dogon	4th	5/2	3.81		£10.00
Stratford 8:00	Dhawin	2nd	2/1	3.01		£10.00
Lingfield 8:15	T Maxie	6th	2/1	3.06		£10.00
Sunday 22nd May
Nottingham 1:30	Secret State	1st	1/3	1.43	£4.30
Curragh 2:10	Pirate Jenny	1st	5/2	3.78	£27.80
Curragh 2:40	Lord North	4th	2/1	3.28		£10.00
Curragh 4:20	Rough Diamond		6/1	7.83			No Bet
Fakenham 4:25	Isaac Wonder						No Bet
Fakenham 4:25	Al Roc						No Bet
York 4:35	Azure Blue						No Bet
York 6:05	Phoenix Aquilus						No Bet
				Weekly Totals	£172.24	£150.00
				Weekly P/L		£22.24
				Losing bets	9
				Winning bets	15
				No Bets	28
			Weekly	Losing	Winning
	Lost	Won	Profit	Bets	Bets	No Bets
Week 1	£57.50	£170.00	£112.30	4	17	11
Week 2	£54.20	£60.00	£5.80	4	6	7
Week 3	£116.80	£150.00	£33.20	6	15	24
Week 4	£143.10	£160.00	£16.90	7	16	4
Week 5	£100.90	£60.00	£40.90	5	6	10
Week 6	£129.80	£90.00	£39.80	6	9	15
Week 7	£76.60	£110.00	£33.40	4	11	20
Week 8	£61.85	£130.00	£68.15	5	13	23
Week 9	£85.70	£120.00	£34.30	6	12	13
Week 10	£211.60	£50.00	£161.60	9	5	20
Week 11	£80.20	£130.00	£49.80	6	13	15
Week 12	£202.71	£140.00	£62.71	11	14	18
Week 13	£131.20	£160.00	£28.80	6	16	18
Week 14	£34.40	£70.00	£35.60	2	7	40
Week 15	£80.20	£40.00	£40.20	6	4	12
Week 16	£175.40	£140.00	£35.40	8	14	12
Week 17	£94.50	£150.00	£55.50	8	15	27
Week 18	£117.90	£150.00	£32.10	5	15	41
Week 19	£87.50	£140.00	£52.50	5	14	22
Week 20	£135.80	£190.00	£54.20	9	19	46
Week 21	£147.10	£190.00	£42.90	10	19	25
Week 22	£55.40	£170.00	£114.60	4	17	21
Week 23	£172.24	£150.00	£22.24	9	15	28
		Overall P/L	£367.20	145	292	472
		Boris's Bottle	£200.00
		Total	£567.20

The above should be :-

Weekly P/L  minus   Â£22.24

Plus Sundays full results, which I hadn't got round to completing.
Posting the weekly sheet on here is very time consuming especially the red type.
On my Google link it is just like the normal Excel workbook which I update directly after I get the result.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_NbwCB7bvZhuTUFzjK5tzv5rEwBss-h05hKGENL9v-o/edit?usp=sharing

Sunday 22nd May
Nottingham 1:30	Secret State	1st	1/3	1.43	£4.30
Curragh 2:10	Pirate Jenny	1st	5/2	3.78	£27.80
Curragh 2:40	Lord North	4th	2/1	3.28		£10.00
Curragh 4:20	Rough Diamond	7th	6/1	7.83			No Bet
Fakenham 4:25	Isaac Wonder	3rd	20/1	34.70			No Bet
Fakenham 4:25	Al Roc	1st	3/1	4.40			No Bet
York 4:35	Azure Blue	5th	12/1	15.50			No Bet
York 6:05	Phoenix Aquilus	P.U.	18/1	25.80			No Bet

If this was real and you were actually doing these bets, you'd be able to get the numbers correct by taking them from your account statement, so you would know that £10 at 1.04 is 40 pence (not 4 pence!).

You'd also know that £10 at 5.90 (Farhh To Shy) is a loss of £49.00 (not £40.90) and that 15/8 winner Strategic Fortune didn't have a BFSP of just 2.44! - and those are just the "errors" (always in your favour!) from a quick glance at a couple of weeks!   

I thought you were just fiddling all your winning bets by pretending you don't pay commission - but it turns out you are also regularly fiddling the payout (in your favour) on lots of the losers as well - but completely ignoring a losing bet (-£43.00) and excluding it from your records is a new low even for you - so all your numbers are just pure fantasy!

on the plus side, it gives you something to do as it seems like you have OCD.

Don't you ever get tyred of all wannabe holy grail seekers telling lies and fiddling their results?

Is there anything you want to dispute in my 13.59 post (above) or is it 100% accurate iyo?

obsession is not good unless it's with chocolate

foxy top,

The man certainly seems obsessed with me but tbh I no longer see his posts as I have him blocked.

15:40 race at Haydock on Friday - also blocked?


20May22
Haydock inner C5Nv 4K    1m    Gd    9-11    1/6 by ¾L Awaal 9-11            7/2    P J McDonald   
18Apr22
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25Mar22
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Billy Liddle,

These are todays Lays :-

Beverley 5:20  Otto Oyl
Warwick 5:35 Kerosene Light
Wexford 5:45 Gotthenod
Ripon 6:55 Tamarama

You can find Thursdays on my Google thread which I update after each result.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_NbwCB7bvZhuTUFzjK5tzv5rEwBss-h05hKGENL9v-o/edit?usp=sharing

You making a few bob happy? Tough ol game this laying lark

Shanelee1966,

Read my OP then look at the data at the bottom of Week 24.
Of the £200 I put in on 15th December I have at this moment in time in my Betfair account £595.82 just Laying to win a tenner.
It’s more fun now than when I started because the money has now become irrelevant.

It has completely changed my view on backing horses.

The days of lumping on something I fancied and sweating on the result are gone.

Well done on your thread, found it at last.

                                              Keep on Truckin and laying..

Good morning Billy you’re up early?

The interesting thing I’ve just noticed is the Loss/Win ratio 143 – 287 exactly 2 to 1.
The 465 No Bets eliminate too bigger risk.

This is my old HTS thread :-

https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31685253/lay...

It’s still ticking along.

WEEK 24
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday 23rd May
Leicester 1:20	Mostallim	5th	100/30	4.93		£10.00
Ludlow 2:30	Hard Lines	3rd	5/1	5.93		£10.00
Leicester 4:25	Ey Up it’s the Boss	1st	11/4	4.00	£30.00
Ludlow 4:35	Kilbarry Leader	1st	2/1	3.15	£21.50
Tuesday 24th May
Bangor 1:40	Could Be Trouble	2nd	7/4	2.86		£10.00
Bath 2:50	Chairman	1st	6/4	2.66	£16.60
Bath 3:20	Girl In The Picture	8th	4/1	5.70		£10.00
Bath 4:55	Owen Little	8th	2/1	3.50		£10.00
Newcastle 6:00	Post Impressionist	2nd	6/4	3.05		£10.00
Lingfield 6:10	Malrescia	1st	5/6	1.94	£9.40
Lingfield 6:40	Phinow	6th	5/1	6.60			No Bet
Lingfield 6:40	Coolmeen Royal	7th	18/1	18.80			No Bet
Newcastle 7:00	Substantial	2nd	8/11	1.91		£10.00
Wednesday 25th May
Warwick 5:35	Kerosene Light	1st	7/4	3.00	£20.00
Wexford 5:45	Gotthenod	6th	7/1	10.50			No Bet
Ripon 6:55	Tamarama	1st	10/11	2.02	£10.20
Thursday 26th May
Yarmouth 1:00	Commandment	5th	12/1	17.00			No Bet
Ripon 2:20	Shake A Leg	1st	4/1	5.40	£44.00
Ripon 2:50	Scottish Summit	3rd	4/1	5.30		£10.00
Ripon 3:20	Better Half	8th	16/1	29.70			No Bet
Yarmouth 3:30	Dandy Maestro	3rd	11/10	2.48		£10.00
Ripon 4:25	Birkenhead	2nd	4/9	1.50		£10.00
Sandown 6:15	Rumstar	3rd	13/2	8.35			No Bet
Sandown 6:15	Democracy Dilemma	6th	9/1	11.70			No Bet
Sandown 8:35	Roxzoff	1st	12/1	15.00			No Bet
Sandown 8:35	Griffin Park	7th	25/1	32.19			No Bet
Friday 27th May
Brighton 3:55	Covert Mission	4th	5/2	3.70		£10.00
Haydock 6:55	Nicholas George	3rd	7/2	5.79		£10.00
Limerick 7:10	The Declaimer	7th	18/1	28.00			No Bet
Stratford 8:05	Say About It	1st	14/1	21.00			No Bet
Saturday 28th May
Punchestown 1:55	I'll Be That Lady	2nd	15/8	3.00			No Bet
Punchestown 1:55	Echoes Of Family	6th	11/2	7.63			No Bet
Punchestown 1:55	Alpha Male	1st	10/1	18.60			No Bet
Haydock 2:20	Contact	1st	100/30	4.69	£36.90
Chester 2:35	Origintrail	1st	13/8	2.75	£17.50
Cartmel 2:44	Lady Reset	6th	100/30	4.78		£10.00
Catterick 3:04	Rebel At Dawn	4th	5/2	4.2		£10.00
Cartmel 3:19	An Tailliur	2nd	9/4	3.47		£10.00
Haydock 3:30	Happy Power	6th	7/1	9.13			No Bet
Beverley 3:50	Udaberri	3rd	9/2	5.62		£10.00
Navan 4:00	Sun King	6th	11/4	4.10		£10.00
Cartmel 4:29	Oscar Wilde	8th	9/4	3.45		£10.00
Cartmel 5:04	Romain De Senam	2nd	15/8	3.28		£10.00
Sunday 29th May
Punchestown 1:55	Beyond Ambitious	4th	6/5	2.30		£10.00
				Weekly Totals	£206.10	£200.00
				Weekly P/L		£6.10
				Losing bets	9
				Winning bets	20
				No Bets	15
			Weekly	Losing	Winning
	Lost	Won	Profit	Bets	Bets	No Bets
Week 1	£57.50	£170.00	£112.30	4	17	11
Week 2	£54.20	£60.00	£5.80	4	6	7
Week 3	£116.80	£150.00	£33.20	6	15	24
Week 4	£143.10	£160.00	£16.90	7	16	4
Week 5	£100.90	£60.00	£40.90	5	6	10
Week 6	£129.80	£90.00	£39.80	6	9	15
Week 7	£76.60	£110.00	£33.40	4	11	20
Week 8	£61.85	£130.00	£68.15	5	13	23
Week 9	£85.70	£120.00	£34.30	6	12	13
Week 10	£211.60	£50.00	£161.60	9	5	20
Week 11	£80.20	£130.00	£49.80	6	13	15
Week 12	£202.71	£140.00	£62.71	11	14	18
Week 13	£131.20	£160.00	£28.80	6	16	18
Week 14	£34.40	£70.00	£35.60	2	7	40
Week 15	£80.20	£40.00	£40.20	6	4	12
Week 16	£175.40	£140.00	£35.40	8	14	12
Week 17	£94.50	£150.00	£55.50	8	15	27
Week 18	£117.90	£150.00	£32.10	5	15	41
Week 19	£87.50	£140.00	£52.50	5	14	22
Week 20	£135.80	£190.00	£54.20	9	19	46
Week 21	£147.10	£190.00	£42.90	10	19	25
Week 22	£55.40	£170.00	£114.60	4	17	21
Week 23	£172.24	£150.00	£22.24	7	10	21
Week 24	£206.10	£200.00	£6.10	9	20	15
		Overall P/L	£361.10	143	287	465
		Boris's Bottle	£200.00
		Total	£561.10

well done happysandwich. Boris shall be giving you another £400 shortly.

At least £700 I would think, time to up the stakes

just £400, I'll be letting them know happysandwich won the extra from Boris's first bottle so won't need it.

Thanks swifty.

Brian,
I have bet on all the above winners & losers and watched all the ‘No Bets’.
I’ll keep laying them to win just a tenner because that’s what keeps it fun.
Plus it makes it easy for others to understand.

The money is irrelevant to me, honest, but proving I can show a profit over a year will be quite an achievement.

Even according to your own dubious figures you are averaging £12 per week - but you are fiddling more that £12 per week with your dodgy settling, ignoring commission and even completely omitting results that don't fit your agenda!

Strange how every settling error/omission is always in your favour and even though I have pointed out some clear/blatant errors and omissions you have still refused to correct your numbers to reflect the reality.

You are just another attention seeking fantasist, fiddling results to show a pretend profit (on paper).

Happysandwich

My earlier response was tongue in cheek. I understand your motives. Keep it going.

Thanks Brian, I’m sure a few of the old posters like yourself (no pun intended) will get back on here with a bit of good banter soon.

Two bets 2 wins today, which is a nice start to the week.

It had a bad run at the beginning of Week 24 but managed to finish with 8 on the bounce in my favour and only a £6.10 loss on the week.

Well done hs, hard game laying. Doing really well.

Thanks Billy,

Suprised how I recovered after the first 2 you borrowed off me Saturday both won.

Newbury 3:40 1st 9/1

Billy, I thought as soon as that comes on your screen you’ll nick it off me and use it on your thread – like you did Saturday.

And how’s this for gambles 6/1 into 5/2  - 2nd.

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Nizaaka
5.1
£10.00
£51.00
Ref: 270118786513 Matched: 15:41 31-May-22

Still no explanation for omitting the 7/2 winner (BFSP was 5.30) Phantom Flight (15:40 at Haydock on Friday 20th May) ??

Then today - you omit another 5/2 winner (BFSP was 3.88) Lady Tilbury (18:15 Tipperary)

What is the point of having "rules" if you are just going to do whatever cheating it takes to manufacture a pretend profit?

Looks like there will be only 2 Lay bets from the 9 selections today.

Tramore 6:46 Tom McGreevy
Down Royal 8:20 The Last Mardi

WEEK 25
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday 30th May
Windsor 5:05	Chief White Face	3rd	2/1	3.85		£10.00
Redcar 5:15	Point Of Woods	13th	9/1	12.50			No Bet
Ayr 7:30	Impressor	2nd	2/1	3.27		£10.00
Tuesday 31st May
Leicester 3:00	Duel Identity	2nd	5/2	3.70		£10.00
Newbury 3:10	Grand Scheme	1st	9/1	11.70			No Bet
Newbury 3:40	Nizaaka	2nd	5/2	3.73		£10.00
Yarmouth 7:29	Twelfth Knight	2nd	7/2	6.20			No Bet
Wednesday 1st June
Nottingham 2:30	Beggarman	3rd	2/1	3.21		£10.00
Curragh 6:45	Neo Soul	6th	11/4	4.20		£10.00
Ripon 7:40	Poptronic	1st	15/8	3.20	£22.00
Kempton 8:00	Morgan Fairy	3rd	7/4	2.86		£10.00
Thursday 2nd June
Leicester 1:00	Central City	5th	6/4	2.56		£10.00
Uttoxeter 1:07	Blueberry High	4th	17/2	17.10			No Bet
Ffos Las 7:30	Sister Michael	4th	15/8	3.17		£10.00
Chelmsford 8:10	Lila Girl	1st	13/8	2.90	£19.00
Friday 3rd June
Epsom 2:00	Commander Straker	3rd	5/1	6.67			No Bet
Epsom 2:00	Legend Of Xanadu	1st	4/1	5.50			No Bet
Epsom 4:30	Thoughts Of June	3rd	14/1	17.50			No Bet
Catterrick 4:45	Tadita Twitch	5th	11/4	4.36			No Bet
Catterrick 4:45	Burning Emotion	3rd	11/2	7.48			No Bet
Tramore 5:36	Leac An Scail Lady	2nd	6/1	9.04			No Bet
Catterrick 5:48	Burtonwood	6th	25/1	44.00			No Bet
Tramore 6:46	Tom McGreevy	2nd	4/1	5.51		£10.00
Down Royal 8:20	The Last Mardi	1st	11/8	2.52	£15.20
Saturday 4th June
Epsom 2:00	Box To Box	5th	7/1	8.80			No Bet
Epsom 2:35	Roman Mist	3rd	12/1	14.90			No Bet
Worcester 3:30	Shentri	4th	9/4	3.87		£10.00
Doncaster 3:41	Outsmart	5th	15/2	10.50			No Bet
Epsom 3:45	Fine Wine	9th	8/1	9.40			No Bet
Epsom 4:30	Piz Badile	12th	9/1	12.00			No Bet
Epsom 4:30	Westover	3rd	25/1	31.90			No Bet
Hexham 4:55	Motown Lake	3rd	6/4	2.54		£10.00
Doncaster 5:21	Aquapiano	2nd	10/1	14.10			No Bet
Sunday 5th June
Perth 2:55	Floating Rock	3rd	11/2	7.26
Listowal 3:05	PrincessRajj	1st	12/1	16.00			No Bet
Goodwood 3:50	Dream Composer	1st	7/2	4.79	£37.90
Perth 4:01	Minella Trump	1st	7/4	2.90	£19.00
Musselburgh 4:16	Rory	3rd	6/1	8.23
Goodwood 4:50	New Heights
Perth 5:02	Pammi						No Bet
Perth 5:02	Young William						No Bet
				Weekly Totals	£113.10	£120.00
				Weekly P/L		£6.90
				Losing bets	5
				Winning bets	12
				No Bets	21
			Weekly	Losing	Winning
	Lost	Won	Profit	Bets	Bets	No Bets
Week 1	(£57.50)	£170.00	£112.30	4	17	11
Week 2	(£54.20)	£60.00	£5.80	4	6	7
Week 3	(£116.80)	£150.00	£33.20	6	15	24
Week 4	(£143.10)	£160.00	£16.90	7	16	4
Week 5	(£100.90)	£60.00	(£40.90)	5	6	10
Week 6	(£129.80)	£90.00	(£39.80)	6	9	15
Week 7	(£76.60)	£110.00	£33.40	4	11	20
Week 8	(£61.85)	£130.00	£68.15	5	13	23
Week 9	(£85.70)	£120.00	£34.30	6	12	13
Week 10	(£211.60)	£50.00	(£161.60)	9	5	20
Week 11	(£80.20)	£130.00	£49.80	6	13	15
Week 12	(£202.71)	£140.00	(£62.71)	11	14	18
Week 13	(£131.20)	£160.00	£28.80	6	16	18
Week 14	(£34.40)	£70.00	£35.60	2	7	40
Week 15	(£80.20)	£40.00	(£40.20)	6	4	12
Week 16	(£175.40)	£140.00	(£35.40)	8	14	12
Week 17	(£94.50)	£150.00	£55.50	8	15	27
Week 18	(£117.90)	£150.00	£32.10	5	15	41
Week 19	(£87.50)	£140.00	£52.50	5	14	22
Week 20	(£135.80)	£190.00	£54.20	9	19	46
Week 21	(£147.10)	£190.00	£42.90	10	19	25
Week 22	(£55.40)	£170.00	£114.60	4	17	21
Week 23	(£172.24)	£150.00	(£22.24)	7	10	21
Week 24	(£206.10)	£200.00	(£6.10)	9	20	15
Week 25	(£113.10)	£120.00	£6.90	5	12	21
		Overall P/L	£368.00	157	319	501
		Boris's Bottle	£200.00
		Total	£568.00

Forgot the last 3 results in.

Still ahead of the game after six months.

Goodwood 4:50	New Heights	5th	3/1	4.31		£10.00
Perth 5:02	Pammi	5th	2/1	2.98			No Bet
Perth 5:02	Young William	3rd	28/1	50.00			No Bet
				Weekly Totals	£113.10	£130.00
				Weekly P/L		£16.90
				Losing bets	5
				Winning bets	13
				No Bets	21

Well done hp, can't knock someone doing laying over half a year and still on top..  Well done..

Thanks Billy,

I’m still trying to figure out why it’s done so well. It can’t be just luck.

It’s interesting reading some of the banter on the early pages and I’m sure the results, so far, have surprised a few of them.

Maybe they could now give us their thoughts?

Obviously you can't mend something that's not broken.

HS

A most enjoyable, enlightening and profitable thread.

Thank you

Thanks Eborman,

Thanks Eborman,

Now you want a discussion, some input and some opinions ??????

Way back, on your very first utterly pointless thread like this, some people very kindly offered you some informed views, input, thoughts and opinions - on how you could develop this sort of simplistic nonsense to genuinely make it pay (without all the cheating and false accounting you are doing).

You basically threw your toys out of the pram! - Told everybody to feck off because you were old and sick, wanted to keep it simple and that it was just a bit of fun.

Be honest ffs - you don't want any thoughts, input or discussion. You really just desperately want some attention and for a few people to say "Well done!"

Finally made a Monkey out of Boris at £10 a Lay for 6 months.

My Betfair account after yesterdays results stands at £721.21p (on this thread it stands at £668.30p).

Andrew, Mr Spreadsheet and Lucky Luciano, whom I go racing with, have photostats of every page of my Betfair account since 15th December to support this. I updated it yesterday so anyone who is interested can see it by clicking “happysandwich’ on the New Community and my Photo Gallery.

The nice profit over 6 months doesn't guarantee the next 6 will be the same but it has provided an OAP and his wife with a lot of stress free fun every day, better still Boris paid for it (and a day at Royal Ascot).

HS
but it has provided an OAP and his wife with a lot of stress free fun every day,

and me also

HS
but it has provided an OAP and his wife with a lot of stress free fun every day,

and me also

Long may you continue!

Eborman,

Glad you’re getting the same fun as us two.

I will carry on with the thread but will NOT increase my £10 stake.

Providing Sundays 2 don’t do too much damage it will be a good week.

Sunday 12th June
Downpatrick 2:55 Frazel Express
Gowran Park 4:15 Lady Arwen

Posting this Excel chart on here is a nightmare because of putting every minus amount in red individually.
Does anyone know the best way of doing them?

The Google Sheet is no problem at all.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_NbwCB7bvZhuTUFzjK5tzv5rEwBss-h05hKGENL9v-o/edit#gid=0

WEEK 26
	Horse Name	Position	Odds	BFSP	Lost	Won	No Bets
Monday 6th June
Gowran Park 2:20	Timourid	11th	9/2	6.48			No Bet
Southwell 2:45	Kings Creek	4th	7/2	5.27		£10.00
Southwell 4:30	Overtougeorge	3rd	10/1	14.50			No Bet
Windsor 5:05	Bang On The Bell	4th	12/1	17.20			No Bet
Tuesday 7th June
Salisbury 3:45	Aiming High	4th	2/1	3.20		£10.00
Chelmsford 7:55	Dubai Elegance	5th	33/1	41.90			No Bet
Wetherby 8:10	Hellenista	2nd	11/4	3.92		£10.00
Wednesday 8th June
Yarmouth 1:18	Otto Oyl	1st	15/8	2.94	£19.40
Fontwell 2:45	Limelighter	4th	7/2	4.72		£10.00
Wexford 3:45	Iridescent	6th	5/2	3.70		£10.00
Haydock 4:40	Pride Of America	1st	5/6	1.95	£9.50
Hamilton 8:20	Chookie Dunedin	8th	5/1	7.00			No Bet
Thursday 9th June
Yarmouth 2:50	Henry The Fifth	3rd	9/2	6.60			No Bet
Yarmouth 2:50	Harry The Norseman	2nd	5/2	3.36			No Bet
Newbury 3:10	Elegant Verse	5th	9/2	5.80			No Bet
Newbury 3:10	Yummylicious	4th	11/1	12.60			No Bet
Leopardstown 6:15	Pretreville	3rd	4/1	6.00		£10.00
Haydock 7:55	Aryaah	10th	11/4	4.02		£10.00
Uttoxeter 8:05	Duke Of Luckley	Race Cancelled					No Bet
Uttoxeter 8:05	Soul Icon	Race Cancelled					No Bet
Friday 10th June
York 2:00	Brancaster	3rd	28/1	35.60			No Bet
York 2:30	Explicit	1st	Evens	2.08	£10.80
Chepstow 2:40	Some Nightmare	10th	3/1	4.37		£10.00
York 3:00	Candescence	7th	9/2	6.30			No Bet
Chepstow 4:20	Blue Hero	7th	9/2				No Bet
Sandown 4:25	Claritudo	4th	5/2	3.50		£10.00
York 5:10	Charging Thunder	5th	100/30	4.97		£10.00
Clonmel 5:35	Cottie	2nd	13/8	3.18		£10.00
Newton Abbot 6:16	Cool Stone	2nd	2/1	3.7		£10.00
Newton Abbot 6:51	Leapaway	3rd	7/1	9.61			No Bet
Newton Abbot 6:51	Kauto The King	1st	9/2	5.87			No Bet
Goodwood 6:59	Rosa Mystica	4th	13/2	9.39			No Bet
Goodwood 6:59	Woodlands Charm	3rd	100/30	4.58			No Bet
Aintree 7:48	Krypton Gold	3rd	4/1	6.00			No Bet
Aintree 7:48	Scots Poet	4th	9/1	12.00			No Bet
Goodwood 8:09	Otago	4th	9/1	12.90			No Bet
Clonmel 8:30	Woodlfield Syphony	16th	9/1	11.00			No Bet
Aintree 8:53	Liffeydale Dreamer	3rd	6/5	2.32		£10.00
Saturday 11th June
Bath 1:15	Tibbie Dumbar	5th	11/10	2.25		£10.00
Hexham 1:20	Follow Your Fire	8th	3/1	4.48		£10.00
Sandown 2:50	Mitbaahy	1st	9/2	6.60			No Bet
Hexham 3:10	Ask Paddington	1st	2/1	3.17	£21.70
Chester 3:20	Point Lynas	10th	33/1	48.90			No Bet
York 3:40	Ingra Tor	11th	7/2	5.18			No Bet
York 3:40	Harry three	1st	15/2	8.80			No Bet
York 3:40	Devaste	3rd	16/1	20.00			No Bet
Downpatrick 4:05	School Lane	5th	9/1	12.00			No Bet
Bath 4:11	Wisper	5th	7/2	4.89		£10.00
Worcester 6:00	Ragamuffin	2nd	6/4	2.65		£10.00
Leicester 6:45	Haven Lady	3rd	85/40	3.45		£10.00
Worcester 7:30	Samos Island	5th	4/1	5.40		£10.00
Leicester 8:15	Miss Belladonna	2nd	9/2	6.85			No Bet
Sunday 12th June
Downpatrick 2:55	Frazel Express	3rd	11/2	7.40			No Bet
Gowran Park 4:15	Lady Arwen	6th	3/1	4.24		£10.00
				Weekly Totals	£61.40	£200.00
				Weekly P/L		£138.60
				Losing bets	4
				Winning bets	20
				No Bets	30
			Weekly	Losing	Winning
	Lost	Won	Profit	Bets	Bets	No Bets
Week 1	£57.50	£170.00	£112.30	4	17	11
Week 2	£54.20	£60.00	£5.80	4	6	7
Week 3	£116.80	£150.00	£33.20	6	15	24
Week 4	£143.10	£160.00	£16.90	7	16	4
Week 5	£100.90	£60.00	£40.90	5	6	10
Week 6	£129.80	£90.00	£39.80	6	9	15
Week 7	£76.60	£110.00	£33.40	4	11	20
Week 8	£61.85	£130.00	£68.15	5	13	23
Week 9	£85.70	£120.00	£34.30	6	12	13
Week 10	£211.60	£50.00	£161.60	9	5	20
Week 11	£80.20	£130.00	£49.80	6	13	15
Week 12	£202.71	£140.00	£62.71	11	14	18
Week 13	£131.20	£160.00	£28.80	6	16	18
Week 14	£34.40	£70.00	£35.60	2	7	40
Week 15	£80.20	£40.00	£40.20	6	4	12
Week 16	£175.40	£140.00	£35.40	8	14	12
Week 17	£94.50	£150.00	£55.50	8	15	27
Week 18	£117.90	£150.00	£32.10	5	15	41
Week 19	£87.50	£140.00	£52.50	5	14	22
Week 20	£135.80	£190.00	£54.20	9	19	46
Week 21	£147.10	£190.00	£42.90	10	19	25
Week 22	£55.40	£170.00	£114.60	4	17	21
Week 23	£172.24	£150.00	£22.24	7	10	21
Week 24	£206.10	£200.00	£6.10	9	20	15
Week 25	£113.10	£130.00	£16.90	5	13	21
Week 26	£61.40	£200.00	£138.60	4	20	30
		Overall P/L	£516.60	161	340	531
		Boris's Bottle	£200.00
		Total	£716.60