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KeMoH
09 Nov 21 14:53
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Went into my local Billy's this morning and had £300 on Trap 6 in the 12.16pm at Central Park at odds of 11/8.

The bet was placed on one of the three betting terminals located within the shop.

The aforementioned Trap 6 was sent off the 8/15f and needless to say, duly obliged.

Seconds after the dog I won, I was called over to the counter by one of the members of staff and informed that their head office had just been in touch.

I'm now banned from betting on William Hill betting terminals in all shops and all future bets I wish to place, must be done so over the counter and rung through for clearance.

Just curious as to how this sort of ban can be enforced? What is stopping me going into a different Billy's and placing an SSBT bet there? And would they cancel and void the bet if I did just that?

Joke outfit imo

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By:
slickster
When: 09 Nov 21 15:04
Go into any other hills shop. Make sure you have several outfits and wigs to throw them off the scent. Fight fire with fire. Who's going to Know? Lower your stakes as well..
By:
KeMoH
When: 09 Nov 21 15:05
Wonder if they have circulated a CCTV image of my mug shot to all Billy premises in the local vicinity?
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:13
Picture will have been circulated to all local shops but you probably won't be recognised. Lower your stakes and use more than one shop if you can.
Software is quick to detect bets and limits can be set on machines locally.
You may have just been unlucky with the bet being a gamble, maybe they took a few bets on the same dog roughly at the same time, you will be tarred with the same brush.
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:15
It's not that an unusual occurrence
By:
DancingBraveTheBest
When: 09 Nov 21 15:17
Try backing a few losers, youll be ok then.
By:
KeMoH
When: 09 Nov 21 15:18

Nov 9, 2021 -- 3:15PM, the dealer wrote:


It's not that an unusual occurrence


from a more technical or maybe even legal perspective, if I managed to place an SSBT bet in a different shop, would Billy's have the right to void and cancel any such bet that was placed and be allowed to not pay out if the bet was a winner?

By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:20
I can't see how they wouldn't pay out in that circumstance and would have thought, if it was the case they didn't pay, you would have seen a case on social media by now
By:
saddo
When: 09 Nov 21 15:21
Never heard of the place, assumed it was cartoon racing. just looked it up Laugh
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:23
Yes although not a massive bet, £300 at there on a gamble would be seen as bad business IMHO
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 09 Nov 21 15:24
Nice touch by the dog trainer, 11/8 - 8/15 !!
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:24
Unless it's your normal bet and you weren't always on a gamble
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:28
That's not to say if you put the next bet over the counter you wouldn't get on but you will probably now be ptl all bets
By:
KeMoH
When: 09 Nov 21 15:33
I wouldn't have minded, but the dog (Trap 6) was available to back on 365 at 2/1 when the first show was put up early this morning!
By:
KeMoH
When: 09 Nov 21 15:34
I'm going to go back to Billy's later this evening, got a dog lined up running at Towcester. Will see how I get on putting a smaller bet on over the counter (in the same shop) and report back here Laugh
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 15:39
I would imagine 365 wouldn't be accommodating you for long either if most your bets are like that one.
By:
The Management
When: 09 Nov 21 15:45
They can do whatever they want - they are self regulated.

i.e. If you don't like it who would you complain to, where would you appeal?
By:
Pilsudski
When: 09 Nov 21 16:14
Apparently (and I don’t know for certain) some of those betting terminals are equipped with a camera.
By:
JJmbe
When: 09 Nov 21 16:18
I'll take 1.01 at the counter your getting sp only.
By:
slickster
When: 09 Nov 21 16:28
I strongly I'll advise you going back to the same shop. You will be offered 1.75. Unless you dress up and act like a mug.
By:
dr . atkins
When: 09 Nov 21 16:33
strange you got 300 on in my local hills its 2 pound max on all greyhound racing on the betting terminals
By:
spyker
When: 09 Nov 21 16:41
They can do whatever they want - they are self regulated.


As can any business selling any thing or service when it comes to serving customers, never heard of 'We reserve the right to serve who the feck we want?'
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 09 Nov 21 16:44
What are the GDPR rules regarding your image being circulated? Legal as long as it stays within the company?
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 09 Nov 21 16:54
What are the GDPR rules regarding your image being circulated? Legal as long as it stays within the company?

Not in Germany, they are really hot on personal data protection here. An employer is not even allowed to ask employees if they are vaccinated against covid.
By:
ballyregan
When: 09 Nov 21 16:57
slightly off topic regarding cctv and such my friends son works in factory that has cameras dotted around the factory they have an obsessive manager that watches the cameras at home on his laptop in the evening finding fault with the workers the next day who basically he does not like is he allowed to do this?
they say the cameras are for health and safety and for production targets
the company creates its own rules and say this is lawful seems dodgy imo
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 09 Nov 21 17:04


kemoh spotted by security
By:
KeMoH
When: 09 Nov 21 17:06
Frighteningly accurate Laugh
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 09 Nov 21 17:08
How times have changed. Back when Hills sponsored a lot of greyhound competitions including the Derby when it was run at Wimbledon you could get whatever you wanted on no problem whatsoever.
By:
dking2012
When: 09 Nov 21 18:13
I've been banned from using the terminals in all the hills within 30 min drive (about 15 shops). They regularly distribute cctv images and even my name, I know this because i know talk to the staff at my local and they always tell me when my mugs been circulated (which is often!). Tbf to the hills staff, most of the time they prevent me from using the machines - even if im new to the shop!
By:
Numismatist
When: 09 Nov 21 18:22

Nov 9, 2021 -- 4:14PM, Pilsudski wrote:


Apparently (and I don’t know for certain) some of those betting terminals are equipped with a camera.


None of them are equipped with a camera.

By:
dking2012
When: 09 Nov 21 18:22
Its quite funny really. When I enter a shop the staff press a switch behind the counter which essentially turns the machines off, i'm often told they are down for maintenance - others more blunt telling me not to come into the shop again. Apparently i'm pretty infamous at head office!
By:
dking2012
When: 09 Nov 21 18:22
Its quite funny really. When I enter a shop the staff press a switch behind the counter which essentially turns the machines off, i'm often told they are down for maintenance - others more blunt telling me not to come into the shop again. Apparently i'm pretty infamous at head office!
By:
dking2012
When: 09 Nov 21 18:23
They have a new version of the machines which have just launched in certain shops - these do have a pinhole camera equipped!
By:
dking2012
When: 09 Nov 21 18:23
They have a new version of the machines which have just launched in certain shops - these do have a pinhole camera equipped!
By:
Numismatist
When: 09 Nov 21 18:33
The design (eye) to add but no physical camera inside them. In the US, there’s a camera in all of the WH (Caesars) SSBT’s and used for remote monitoring.
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 18:36
I think facial recognition will come but when?
By:
Numismatist
When: 09 Nov 21 18:41
WH stopped its facial recognition trial at the start of 2020. The technology wasn’t good enough (too many false positives, and accuracy issues, particularly among different ethnicities) No thirst from the industry to invest in a joint solution and can’t see that changing any time soon.
By:
the dealer
When: 09 Nov 21 18:45
Cheers mate, I didn't realise that
By:
dking2012
When: 09 Nov 21 18:48
I was told the camera would likely not be used to prevent a customer betting, but allow a trader decide to accept a customers bet if its over the limits allowed. (again this is just from staff - can't confirm if true)
By:
Numismatist
When: 09 Nov 21 18:51

Nov 9, 2021 -- 6:48PM, dking2012 wrote:


I was told the camera would likely not be used to prevent a customer betting, but allow a trader decide to accept a customers bet if its over the limits allowed. (again this is just from staff - can't confirm if true)


Think the staff are having you on.

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