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Didn't John have trouble with staff and drugs in the past?
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By Chris Cook, Senior reporter
UPDATED 5:15PM, OCT 21 2021
 
Franconia has been disqualified from a Listed race she won at Newbury last year, having tested positive for ketamine which, a disciplinary panel has accepted, probably derived from recreational use of the drug by her groom.

John Gosden, her trainer, was fined the unusually low sum of £500 by the panel, which decided he had taken precautions to avoid such an eventuality but could conceivably have done more.

Presenting the BHA's case, Tomas Nolan described how investigators were initially baffled as to the cause, ketamine being a powerful anaesthetic generally confined to veterinary clinics and not found in racing yards. Gosden said it was never used at his Clarehaven stables in Newmarket.

But, some weeks into the investigation, a staff member came forward to admit recreational ketamine use, which he said was confined to his weekends off. He was described by Gosden as a "vulnerable person" who had come into his employ as "a man in a bit of a muddle" and the panel directed that in the circumstances he should not be named.

The groom said he took care to wash himself and his clothes between using the drug and returning to his job, but had sometimes kept ketamine in his wallet, which he had taken with him and used on the trip to Newbury.

Nolan explained: "The individual believes there would have been residue in their wallet and that, as they used this wallet on the day of the positive, there was an opportunity for this residue to transfer to their hands and therefore into the system of Franconia."


Franconia wins the Listed Abingdon Stakes at Newbury in June last year
Franconia wins the Listed Abingdon Stakes at Newbury in June last year
Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)
Nolan said the BHA had consulted with an expert pharmacologist as to whether this could be a plausible cause of the positive test and was told that it could. The expert, he said, had "concluded the level found in this horse could be caused by coming into contact with only one 50th of the 25mg amount which is apparently commonly snorted by human users".

Gosden said he had been gratified by the groom's frankness in coming forward to confess their occasional habit. Asked what disciplinary action he had taken, the trainer said: "I should probably have fired him. Maybe I should have done.

"But he could have lied and denied and no one would have been any the wiser. It was the fact that he was open and we solved the whole case, if you like, that I felt in the end he had been honourable. He'd made a stupid mistake but he didn't try to do anything wicked.

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"I stood by him and will continue to do so. He seems quite content at the moment, maybe a little too happy-go-lucky. But suspending him wouldn't help, that becomes public, everyone knows who he is. Firing him, I don't think is right. What do I do? Do I cut his pay, I don't think that's right either. Maybe I'm too soft."

The panel chairman, Philip Curl, said: "We wish to acknowledge Mr Gosden's yard is well run and efficient. We also wish to commend him for all the co-operation he gave to the BHA in getting to the bottom of this matter.

"We conclude that, whilst in this particular case, Mr Gosden has used most reasonable precautions, we do not feel that he has proved that he used all reasonable precautions. We will spell out in the reasons [to be published in the coming days] some additional precautions we consider ought to have been taken."

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By:
knoxville
When: 21 Oct 21 17:28
up there with 'the dog ate my homework' excuse!
absolute nonsense
By:
wroughtironronn
When: 21 Oct 21 17:36
Mr Gosden seems to have a charmed life when it comes to Stewards
By:
mrcombustible
When: 21 Oct 21 17:40
Very similar to Oisin sleeping with a coke head.
By:
scrabbler
When: 21 Oct 21 17:45
About as plausible as Oisin and the cocaine contamination. As an anesthetic presumably it will act as a pain killer ?
By:
knoxville
When: 21 Oct 21 17:48
imagine the outcry if these ridiculous excuses were offered and accepted in criminal courts
By:
handtorofe
When: 21 Oct 21 17:54
Took it going to Newbury races very likelyLaugh
By:
geoff m
When: 21 Oct 21 18:07
Unbelievable Jeff!!
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 21 Oct 21 18:41
Gosden replacing Bob mortiner
on popular bbc panel gamr
By:
mrcombustible
When: 21 Oct 21 18:42
Wonder what Jim Bolger's opinion on this is?
By:
blackbarn
When: 21 Oct 21 19:48
No idiot would use Ketamine to enhance the racing performance of a racehorse. Do some research. Ah-ha - perhaps the plan was to stop it and it didnt work. Cool
By:
carrot1960
When: 21 Oct 21 20:06
It's not what happens it's who you are that counts
By:
geordie1956
When: 21 Oct 21 20:06
another slap on the wrist for a big name trainer ...
By:
ballyregan
When: 21 Oct 21 20:07
costner was exceptional in the untouchables
By:
11kv
When: 21 Oct 21 20:09
Perhaps the horse was depressed.
By:
blackbarn
When: 21 Oct 21 20:12
The horse won!!!    What bit of this don't you agree with. R

eading from the pharmacology report, Gosden said he had been impressed by the sensitivity of the testing equipment. "It was apparently 270 to 400 picograms that were picked up," he said. "One picogram is one trillionth of one gram."

The quantity involved was clearly not enough to have an effect on Franconia, as the Newbury performance was the second best of her five-race career. Gosden ridiculed any idea that he might have intended to dose a horse with ketamine.

"It creates a sort of trance-like state in human beings," he said, "and in a horse, if you give enough to affect them, they would immediately lose co-ordination and no doubt would have a terrible accident. So it's not the kind of thing you'd want anywhere near a horse, except in a clinic as anaesthetic."
By:
ballyregan
When: 21 Oct 21 20:39
yes 11kv someone will do a programme for horses depression soon they are doing it for all the other issues racing has to overcome.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 21 Oct 21 20:44
a forum 1st.

i conker wiv noxy.
By:
elisjohn
When: 21 Oct 21 20:56
not a bad performance that having wonderful tonight back in 4th
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 21 Oct 21 21:11
----you-have-to-laugh---21 Oct 21 17:41
Laugh  Laugh  Laugh
Brilliant!
By:
driver2
When: 22 Oct 21 03:20
Gosden should have fired the groom and not left his credibility in doubt. He might have only been fined £500, but the high profile owners have lost £17,000 and must be horrified that a happy-go-lucky junkie can get anywhere near their horses.
By:
chewy11
When: 22 Oct 21 08:02
If the groom had said he was using Keatmine to deal with the systemic bullying in racing his story would have been a lot more plausible to me.
By:
shoodacoodadidnt
When: 22 Oct 21 09:34
"probably derived from recreational use of the drug by her groom." - hilarious and nonsense
By:
chewy11
When: 22 Oct 21 09:40
Explaining how the filly had knocked 14 seconds off the 5f course record at Ascot Mr Godsend said that as a reward for the groom’s honesty in another failed drugs test case he was taken to the Breeders Cup meeting in America. However being an inveterate junkie the lad had let Mr Godsend down by first trying & then buying a Kilo of Crystal Meth.

To smuggle the drugs in the UK the groom put the package up the filly’s bottom. It is believed that during the passage (pardon the pun) from America residue from the outside of the package entered the horse’s system resulting in the scintillating performance that day at Ascot, although he’d always thought her “quite a nice horse”.

The groom has since left Mr Godsend’s employ & having spent several months playing the Harmonica outside Waitrose on Newmarket High St, he is now believed to be working in Ireland.

The committee accepted Mr Godsend’s explanation without question & wished him luck in the future.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 22 Oct 21 11:45
John Gosden takes a swipe at BBC negativity in drugs row
John Gosden: fined £500 following a BHA hearing into Franconia's failed drugs test
John Gosden: fined £500 following a BHA hearing into Franconia's failed drugs test
Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos)
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By Andrew Dietz
10:53AM, OCT 22 2021
 
John Gosden has taken a swipe at the BBC for its "negative" stance towards horseracing the day after he accused the broadcaster of putting a stain on his character in its reporting of his filly Franconia's positive test for ketamine.

The multiple British champion Flat trainer appeared on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Friday morning to discuss the BHA case concerning the disqualification of Franconia from a Listed race she  won at Newbury last year following the positive test.

When asked by BBC presenter Garry Richardson whether he felt there is a problem with drugs in racing, Gosden said: "I think there's a problem in this country and many others and I think the use of recreational drugs is endemic.

"Racing is a huge multi-billion-pound industry that is very well regulated and a big subscriber to the Treasury. The horseracing here is of the highest standard in the world and is something to be proud of, it's a good part of UK plc, and to that extent I don't understand why the BBC tend to want to be negative about it all the time, I'm afraid."

Richardson responded by saying the BBC reported the positive test "exactly the same as we would with any sports man, woman or anything else" and that he was grateful for Gosden explaining why it had happened.

John Gosden fined after ketamine used by groom led to Listed winner failing test

At a BHA hearing on Thursday, the disciplinary panel ruled that Franconia's positive ketamine test probably derived from recreational use of the drug by her groom.

Gosden was fined £500 by the panel, which decided he had taken precautions to avoid such an eventuality but could conceivably have done more.

During the hearing, Gosden deplored a report on Thursday's Today programme on BBC Radio 4, speculating his licence might be suspended on the basis only of the fact that ketamine had been found in Franconia.

"Due to the recent case of bullying and the Bryony Frost issue, now racing has become the next scapegoat," Gosden told the panel. "My name was up as having given ketamine to a racehorse, champion trainer looking at a potentially lengthy ban, it was very dramatic stuff on Radio 4.

"Everybody who won't bother to read the result of this inquiry will all assume that I go round giving ketamine to horses to make them win races. I can tell you it was pretty shocking to listen to. It puts a stain on your character."
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 22 Oct 21 13:26
Very good chewy Laugh
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Oct 21 14:19
if gosden is to believed the only things in his yard not getting drugs are the horses, jockeys,grooms
why is he so relaxed about have people who take drugs in his yard,if nothing else must make them all ewide open to be exploited /blackmailed etc in to doing something underhand
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Oct 21 15:41
yep - very funny chewyLaugh
Mr Godsend!  lol.
By:
sparrow
When: 22 Oct 21 15:47
Or even Saint John of Gosden.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Oct 21 15:55
lol
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Oct 21 15:57
He's on video record of saying categorically that the use of lasix on horses in America "weakens the breed" so he should know what persistent use of a class drug will do to the performance of a stablehand.  Surely.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 22 Oct 21 18:48
Gosden is untouchable. Havlin took the rap in this blatant race.
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y Andrew Dietz and Tom Collins
UPDATED 2:45PM, APR 22 2021
 
Robert Havlin was suspended for 21 days at Lingfield on Wednesday for his ride on Stowell, who was a fast-finishing second to stablemate and 2-9 favourite Polling Day.

In a race which stirred much debate, 16-1 newcomer Stowell finished strongly under Havlin behind the John and Thady Gosden-trained Polling Day in the 1m4f novice contest, having run into traffic problems behind the retreating front-running pair of Scampi and Reverend Hubert turning for home.

Following a lengthy inquiry, the stewards suspended Havlin for "failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to ensure Stowell obtained his best possible placing, in that after getting a clear run in the straight, the colt had not been asked for a sufficient effort".


Havlin told the stewards his instructions were to settle Stowell and ride him to obtain his best possible position, adding the colt was a fragile type who had a high knee action and that John Gosden had instructed him to ride under hands and heels and not to use his whip.

Havlin said his mount ran on well inside the final half furlong and stated, in his opinion, the winner was idling in front and therefore it appeared the runner-up had finished faster than he actually had. 

The trainers' representative stated he was happy with the ride, it accorded with the instructions given and they were very pleased with Stowell's debut effort.

Havlin, who plays a key role at the Gosden stable, is set to miss a major part of the early season, with his ban covering the dates May 5-8 and 10-26.

Polling Day, an expensive Derby entry, was Frankie Dettori's first ride at Lingfield since October 29 last year.

The in-running comment
Chased leaders, not clear run on inner home turn, in the clear and shaken up over 1f out, went second and 5 lengths down 1f out, tenderly handled and kept on strongly final 110yds, just held, eyecatcher, promising

4.35 Lingfield: full result, race replay and expert analysis

Havlin had made a good start to 2021 and has ridden 27 winners at a one-in-five strike-rate this year.

He has spent two decades with John Gosden, riding good horses such as Journey, Richard Pankhurst, Mehdaayih and Wissahickon for the Clarehaven yard.

The Scot, 47, enjoyed his best season in 2018 with 127 winners and he rode the 1,000th winner of his career last year.

Robert Havlin considering appeal against 21-day ban after eyecatching second

But he served a six-month drugs ban imposed by the French racing authorities in 2017.

Sky Sports Racing pundit Jason Weaver remarked that the ride on Stowell, who drifted from 8-1 to 16-1 before the off, was "very, very kid gloves".

In analysing the race, Weaver said: "Stowell has absolutely picked up under kid gloves all the way down the straight. He was checked in behind runners, it then opens up for him down on the inside and if he gets out at that point, he definitely goes and wins."
By:
roadrunner46
When: 22 Oct 21 19:35
nothing wrong with that ride, think it was just an overreaction by the stewards, god forbid the stewards never get it wrong
By:
1st time poster
When: 24 Oct 21 10:53
its pretty basic stuff in the world of work gosden intorduces mandatory drug/alcohol testing in his yard and if you fail its instant dismissal ,that in itself should stop/lessen the drug/alcohol use in gosdens yard
By:
1st time poster
When: 24 Oct 21 11:28
chappers thinks gosden is a hero boss so do his fellow gosden junkies frankie and the young kid
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 24 Oct 21 12:53
How did the horse win with an anesthetic in its system?
Must be a machine
How does the drug get from groom to horse. Did the groom kiss the horse?
It's good of Gosden to do his own investigation into this I must say Crazy
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 24 Oct 21 12:56
Chapman says Gosden has been a hero in all this
He looked after the groom/employee and the trainer isn't culpable.
The trainer is responsible for everything that goes on in his stable, imo
As for not sacking the member of staff, read between the lines ffs.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 24 Oct 21 18:35
Jumping, are you suggesting that the groom might reach out to the tabloids and reveal all?  Whatever all might be?
By:
wroughtironronn
When: 25 Oct 21 15:40
As the Stewards tug their forelocks and apologise for causing Sir John a degree of inconvenience
By:
portmanpark
When: 26 Oct 21 10:03
reading this thread you realise why anti vaxxers exist.....ketamine is a sedative and would not have helped the horse in any way.....blackbarn dont bother its not worth it...you cant educate pork
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