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Boogie Cat
17 Oct 21 17:52
Date Joined: 12 Dec 05
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used to dominate irish racing, now hes an also ran. maybe the yard has a sickness?
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Report Emitdeb October 17, 2021 7:55 PM BST
Carrot shortage.. (Magic variety)
Report MJK October 17, 2021 8:25 PM BST

Oct 17, 2021 -- 1:55PM, Emitdeb wrote:

Carrot shortage.. (Magic variety)

Can't believe it's taken 3 hours

Report slickster October 17, 2021 8:33 PM BST
Is switching to turnips. Hasn't perfected the correct dosage yet.
Report ItsMeSwaddle October 17, 2021 10:53 PM BST
Agree with all the above.
Report ItsMeSwaddle October 17, 2021 10:54 PM BST
Interestingly do you think the Irish carrot stash on the whole av been found...AKA CHELT...or just purely a combo of better horses with better hcap marks?
Report kavvie October 17, 2021 11:13 PM BST
is that the ap o brien who has trained 361 group 1 winners and  continues to break records? 17 group 1s in 2021 so far and 101 winners in 2021? that ap o brien is it?!?  or someone else?
Report Fashion Fever October 18, 2021 12:22 AM BST
he finds something to run on these big days as he's feels like he ort to have a runner
Report EastLower Gooner October 18, 2021 2:52 AM BST
And at one point he was on course to at least equal the G1 record.
Report Boogie Cat October 18, 2021 12:04 PM BST
lots of group winners, but it seems like people think he cheated.  it would be catostrophic for racing if he was.
Report Slicer October 18, 2021 12:26 PM BST
Hasn't anyone read the papers? Plenty of magic carrots & thaumaturgic (now there's a word for you) turnips available. Just no drivers to deliver them to Ballydoyle. I hope this clarifies the matter!
Report brassneck October 18, 2021 2:16 PM BST
Annie's sons are worth at least a billion each,and will soon be winning the gold cup,and the champion hurdle,and i am sure AP will still win 8 OR 9 derby's +,over the next few years,so don't panic,the rainbows are still hanging above the county of Tipperary.GrinGrin
Report casemoney October 18, 2021 2:36 PM BST
Snowfall 2020 v Snowfall 2021 among many others is what this stable does for the Average punter
Report MJK October 18, 2021 3:00 PM BST
Colin Keane
Report barstool October 18, 2021 3:04 PM BST
Just a 5% strike rate at this time of year suggests all is not well with the horses.

He is always slow to get going because his horses are not trained for the off and are allowed to develop gradually through the year.

Maybe his lot are just not as hardy this time round.
Report Emitdeb October 18, 2021 3:25 PM BST
Nothing to do with Jim Bolger demanding a level playing field...
Report barstool October 18, 2021 3:41 PM BST
I would hope not Emitdeb.

After the cycling and athletics scandals with doping with humans

I do hope not Emitdeb, but I get your drift.
Report barstool October 18, 2021 3:42 PM BST
Sorry for that garbage.

Hope there is no doping going on. Just trying to point out a probable reason.
Report 1st time poster October 18, 2021 3:55 PM BST
snowfall only 3 and has aw weight range off 60lb plus in his performances some only weeks apart
Report 1st time poster October 18, 2021 3:58 PM BST
imagine 2 match handicap races between love and snowfall based on their worst v best marks,they,d both be receiving stones from the other in one division
Report Macintoshmatty October 18, 2021 5:22 PM BST
I recently read one of those ' black horse is dying' books
The guy worked at a Coolmore stud farm
The book I read was mainly about trainers and their use of drugs in the US but also touched on Ireland
Didn't make good reading, if it's true and imo it looks like it is then you wouldn't be cheering home any Coolmore horses
The IHRB also comes out as not fit for purpose along with the entire judicial system
Report know all October 19, 2021 11:33 AM BST
anyone got and stats on him since jim made his claims because its a coincedence that its been as bad as i can ever remember, you have to woner if it will turn around, only time will tell
Report swiftynifty October 19, 2021 1:48 PM BST
new carrots delivered yesterday.
Report Slicer October 19, 2021 1:51 PM BST
Amazing how it beats the better fancied pair from JOB!!!!!
Report CROPSICK October 19, 2021 2:06 PM BST
too much reliance on Galileo line.
Report Boogie Cat October 19, 2021 2:10 PM BST
i think it would be a disaster if jim bolger was right. all those group 1s tainted, not to mention all those runners up wanting their due prize money.i personally hope bolger is wrong
Report impossible123 October 19, 2021 2:19 PM BST
Nevertheless, the bookies are still skinny on his runners. Anyone noticed the price of his runner in Keeneland at the weekend? That piglet was sent off fav, and bombed badly.

Money back on Luxembourg in the Vertem? At 6/4 it takes a shed load of shekels to win the same (if he wins).
Report EastLower Gooner October 19, 2021 2:30 PM BST
Which makes you wonder…if they’re not firing Stateside then it’s clearly not a drug issue Wink
Report impossible123 October 19, 2021 3:11 PM BST
No smoke without fire, as the saying goes. Then again a horse cannot outperform their proven potential if entered in the wrong race similarly, a Conference team cannot win the Premier League.
Report Emitdeb October 19, 2021 3:27 PM BST
Re...Soccer. Greece did win the Euros (2004)
Report Emitdeb October 19, 2021 3:46 PM BST
Magic Moussaka was mentioned.... Wink
Report impossible123 October 19, 2021 6:28 PM BST
Maybe he and Hendo could do a double retirement.
Report 1st time poster October 19, 2021 8:00 PM BST
well a few notable exceptions apart ,he has a host of 3 and 4 yrs olds who could improve stones next year and if they do we,ll still all be asking why
bad season
carrots back on stream
Report swiftynifty October 19, 2021 8:21 PM BST
What do Nicky Henderson, Aidan O'Brien and Bob Baffert have in common?
Report impossible123 October 19, 2021 8:26 PM BST
'A' Chemistry?
Report swiftynifty October 19, 2021 8:28 PM BST
no. B. All champion trainers in their respective countries.

And what is the difference?
Report impossible123 October 20, 2021 11:56 AM BST
I meant A level Chemistry.

The American case is still on-going (I believe) and trainer concerned is still allowed to run his charges at certain tracks but with more stringent testing prior. Is that not absurd? I thought there's a recognised protocol/code in horseracing issued by the Horse Racing Authority understood, signed-up and accepted by trainers and owners, and is definitive.

Otherwise it culd be a free-for-all or those trainers/owners with deep pockets playing the system,
Report swiftynifty October 20, 2021 12:45 PM BST
Baffert has been playing the system for years. We all know drugs are rampant, mostly legal and out of competition within certain timelines but sadly the reality is some bend the rules more than others.
Report penzance October 20, 2021 12:47 PM BST
why do people follow the sport if they believe
it's drug fuelled?
Report 1st time poster October 20, 2021 1:01 PM BST
they dont thats why its on its arris,bookies living on sports betting casino games
racecourses living on corprate,pop concerts
Report know all October 20, 2021 1:17 PM BST
anyone following obrien last few years has done well but i have curtailed them last few months, snowfall in the arc a friend on the pan crack had more on than me i wasnt that confident in the old days that would have been 7/4 and won it
Report EastLower Gooner October 20, 2021 6:18 PM BST
So I had a look at the Saturday cards and spotted something of interest.

Aidan is loaded up in both G1s in France (them Criterium races) although in one of them he’s taken on Goldspur so that might be difficult.

But enough yapping on him…I noticed Joseph has one in the Cox Plate ie last time out G1 winner State of Rest at 11/1 and I’ve backed him eachway.

He absolutely stormed home under Johnny V last time at Saratoga and the fact they’ve come straight here suggests that Joseph targeted this one a long way out.

That race would’ve been a nice tee up for Saturday ie super tight left handed track like Moonee Valley and the pace of the race ie fast early, then steady and moderate down the side and then quickening all the way to the line.

Think he’s got a decent chance imo

Also noticed Gold trip in the race but I’m not sure dropping to 10 around the Vallee will be his cup of tea. I think he’ll be better at one of the longer races at Flemington.
Report EastLower Gooner October 23, 2021 7:14 AM BST

Well done Joseph…splendid training performance there.
Report FOYLESWAR October 23, 2021 12:54 PM BST
well done east ,nyce won.
Report kavvie October 23, 2021 3:20 PM BST
has he retired yet?!?!?
Report kavvie October 23, 2021 3:24 PM BST
joseph o brien at 28 years old, now has won 2 melbourne cups a cox plate on the other side of the world and a breeders cup,and cheltenham races as a trainer.he also has won,as a jockey, the irish derby and several prestigious group1 all around the world.  some guy. some family.
Report workrider October 24, 2021 12:07 PM BST
Well done East , I shall be talking to its breeder on Tues , horse that is  Laugh at the Curragh .I'll pass on your congrats..
Report workrider October 24, 2021 12:21 PM BST
Did somebody just say, Aidan has just won ANOTHER BRITISH G1...Surely not sure the guys finished...Laugh Laugh Laugh
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