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Whippin Piccadilly
13 Sep 21 16:19
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Where does he rank on your "Greatest 2 Mile Chaser" list? He's at the top of mine

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By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 13 Sep 21 16:23
Just above Sprinter Sacre, Viking Flagship, Moscow Flyer.
By:
Greenacres
When: 13 Sep 21 16:27
Why do I feel there could be a changing of the guard at Seven Barrows with James Bowen coming very much to the fore!!
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 13 Sep 21 16:30
A monster when that turbo kicked in.
By:
penzance
When: 13 Sep 21 16:41
gone out in one piece,owes no one.
Class horse.
By:
ashleigh
When: 13 Sep 21 17:34
to spend his retirement with fitzy.Wink
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 13 Sep 21 18:05
Superb horse. That race against Cyrname took its toll, on both of them.
By:
Gordon63
When: 13 Sep 21 18:14
very very good horse - bit short of sprinter sacre and badsworth boy and I'd say moscow flyer would have beaten altior more often than not...someone with more knowledge of equine physiology and physchology than myself would have to comment but I find it hard to believe that one single race affected cyrname and altior to the apparent extent that it has
By:
Mat22
When: 13 Sep 21 21:02
Awesome Nag.
Would love to know What Henderson thinks between A Prime Sprinter Sacre v a Prime Altior over 2m at Cheltenham Who comes out on top???
Sprinter for me but only just.Cool
By:
portmanpark
When: 13 Sep 21 21:38
over rated
By:
jimnast
When: 14 Sep 21 08:08
without doubt behind the 3 gordon mentions and to be honest i dont think portmanpark is that far out.
By:
wroughtironronn
When: 14 Sep 21 10:28
Is Fitzy going into dressage then.......
By:
salmon spray
When: 14 Sep 21 13:36
He'd never have caught Dunkirk.
By:
antony_27
When: 14 Sep 21 16:00
Flagship Uberalles was a top class 2 miler in his day too imo
By:
glentoby
When: 14 Sep 21 16:32
Not sure where to rank him overall and not sure that Nicky ever pushed the issue of beyond 2 miles as far as he could/should have.Don't even agree with his view that the Cyrname race caused any damage,he was never flogged to bits in that race.As one of his biggest fans I doubt he ranks in the top two,two mile chasers,what I do think is he was probably the best that never ran in the KG on Boxing Day and probably could have won,too Frankel like imvho in terms of campaigning?
By:
handtorofe
When: 14 Sep 21 16:40
I think One man would have given most a run for their money if they had kept him to 2 mile
By:
duffy
When: 14 Sep 21 17:40
Good horse but below Sprinter, Viking, Masterminded, Pearlyman, Badsworth and probably Martha's Son maybe more.

Perhaps unfairly judged because his legacy is hamstrung as he reigned in a poor era.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 14 Sep 21 17:46
Send the poor horse some earplugs rather than polos.
By:
strontium
When: 14 Sep 21 20:02
I wish him a happy retirement, but he was nowhere near as good as peak Sprinter Sacre or Masterminded (just considering recent examples). As Duffy says, he ran in a poor division at the time.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 14 Sep 21 22:07
Poor Era? Laugh Yeah, Un Deux Sceaux(10xG1 Wins) & Min (7xG1 Wins) were complete mugs! Altior made them look selling class. As for Master Minded...please stop! Laugh Bridle merchant who beat what exactly? As much as I liked Well Chief and Co they weren't in the same league as UDS & Min.
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 14 Sep 21 22:14
I agree with Whipping Piccadilly.

Its hard to judge horses from different era's but anyone who doesn't rate Altior amongst the best ever two milers really should have a word with themselves.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 14 Sep 21 22:37
I like you Tiger! Grin Will you be available to take your place back in Team Shrewdie?
By:
strontium
When: 14 Sep 21 22:38
Sprinter Sacre beat Sizing Europe, a champion chaser, half the track in the Champion Chase.  Master Minded beat Voy Por Ustedes, a champion chaser, 19 lengths in the Champion Chase. Altior never did anything close to that. He was a good 10-12 lbs below the other two at their best. Still a fine horse, but not a great.
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 14 Sep 21 22:49
Its all bout opinions strontium and my opinion is that your opinion is misguided, misjudged and wrong.

Sorry WP, I'm a stubborn fooker and will stick to my word, wont go anywhere near anything where the hypocrite tobymug is involved. I wish you and the team all the best though.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 14 Sep 21 22:50
Totally fine about yourself thinking SS was better, but I ain't having MM. Get out of it! lol VPU won the weakest QM in history, it was already very weak before Well Chief fell early on in the race. VPU was a better horse at 2M4F anyway and duly turned the tables on the bridle merchant over that trip in emphatic style. ABSOLUTLEY no chance that MM was better than Altior...none whatsoever.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 14 Sep 21 22:51
Fair enough Tiger. Thanks man.
By:
jimnast
When: 15 Sep 21 12:14
good afternoon tiger

after having a word with myself i do accept the horse was not over rated i think in the end i was so fed up of the way henderson carried on i held it against the horse which of course its not the horses fault the trainer has gone the way he has gone,however i would still have him behind sprinter,badsworth and moscow.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 15 Sep 21 13:45
Btw, Credit to Walsh & Nicholls for achieving what they did with MM. Ruby was the perfect jockey to keep a horse on the bridle for as long as possible.
By:
sixtwosix
When: 15 Sep 21 19:37
Altior could well have been the strongest finisher of all the 2 mile champs.
However his flat spots a long way from home imo would have probably put him on the deck vainly attempting to keep in the same postcode as the superlative Sprinter Sacre.
I had my biggest ever bet on Sprinter Sacre at 1/4 in this race......he never looked anything other than the winner .....but I was still wobbling like a jelly.

Master Minded was like Cyrname given a ludicrous rating for one race , beating the very ordinary Voy Pur Ustedes.

Badsworth Boy was quicker and a slicker jumper (at Cheltenham) than any of the other champs.

3 , not 2 unlike the others , effortless victories under hands and heels by 10 lengths minimum to a distance .....he is still alone on 3 wins .....and may always be so.
By:
strontium
When: 15 Sep 21 20:13
Nobody has mentioned Flyingbolt yet, who Timeform have 18 lbs better than any of them.
By:
iswearitsoath
When: 15 Sep 21 22:16
Based on his Supreme win, he'd surely have won at least one champion hurdle (though he'd probably have looked in trouble at some stage. A great without doubt, but I agree that he reigned in a weak era and don't see how he could be rated above Sprinter Sacre or Moscow Flyer.
By:
iswearitsoath
When: 15 Sep 21 22:16
Based on his Supreme win, he'd surely have won at least one champion hurdle (though he'd probably have looked in trouble at some stage. A great without doubt, but I agree that he reigned in a weak era and don't see how he could be rated above Sprinter Sacre or Moscow Flyer.
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