I think Moore was trying to avoid a battle with the Bolger horse but the winner kept drifting across further than he wanted. I'll be surprised if its reversed but more surprised that Gary O'Brien had no idea why the enquiry was called.
I think Moore was trying to avoid a battle with the Bolger horse but the winner kept drifting across further than he wanted. I'll be surprised if its reversed but more surprised that Gary O'Brien had no idea why the enquiry was called.
Was worse than the Dragon Symbol/Campanelle race at Ascot. Frankie was still able to ride a finish that day. But of course the finishing distance was shorter and different stewards.
Was worse than the Dragon Symbol/Campanelle race at Ascot. Frankie was still able to ride a finish that day. But of course the finishing distance was shorter and different stewards.
now wheres that switch!!! Sep 21 14:10 2nd would have got to him comfy if not moving 7 lanes due to Moore deliberately making that manoeuvre..
clueless comment.
now wheres that switch!!! Sep 21 14:10 2nd would have got to him comfy if not moving 7 lanes due to Moore deliberately making that manoeuvre..clueless comment.
there's no doubt should have been a reversal - stanley and nevison saying keane wanted to challenge wide as if that makes a difference, winner took the second at least 20 yards wider of the racing line up the complete length of the leopardstown straight, how anyone can say keane didn't stop riding is beyond me, if he had have gone full bore on that line there would have been a very dangerous collision
there's no doubt should have been a reversal - stanley and nevison saying keane wanted to challenge wide as if that makes a difference, winner took the second at least 20 yards wider of the racing line up the complete length of the leopardstown strai
christ it's like a parade of fools on this forum...of course it was never getting past, it was like an F1 race, the car (horse) half a length in front can control where the second has to race, if tarnawa had been allowed to race in a straight line whilst SMB drifts to the outside, then tarnawa wins, hence there should have been a reversal, this was way worse than dragon symbol and cappanelle
christ it's like a parade of fools on this forum...of course it was never getting past, it was like an F1 race, the car (horse) half a length in front can control where the second has to race, if tarnawa had been allowed to race in a straight line wh
Only just watched it Never have I heard so much drivel ,claiming to be expert summary as the so called professional on ITV.
We might as well give up if that is not a dq.
Tarnawa was nearly off the course .
Only just watched itNever have I heard so much drivel ,claiming to be expert summary as the so called professional on ITV.We might as well give up if that is not a dq.Tarnawa was nearly off the course .
Was there any contact? If no ,it's the same answer as others in the UK recently. Although it's likely SMB carried Tarnawa across the track it's impossible to say that Tarnawa wouldn't have gone in that direction of her own accord. So has to stand for me.
Was there any contact? If no ,it's the same answer as others in the UK recently. Although it's likely SMB carried Tarnawa across the track it's impossible to say that Tarnawa wouldn't have gone in that direction of her own accord. So has to stand for
Sorry , Most people on here believed the result would stand , the price to keep it never exceeded 1.2 approx, so not as many fools on here as some would suggest !
Sorry , Most people on here believed the result would stand , the price to keep it never exceeded 1.2 approx, so not as many fools on here as some would suggest !
it's impossible to say that Tarnawa wouldn't have gone in that direction of her own accord
99.5% of horses dont end up twds the near side at Leopardstown imho
it's impossible to say that Tarnawa wouldn't have gone in that direction of her own accord99.5% of horses dont end up twds the near side at Leopardstown imho
"Colin thought he'd get it," said the runner-up's trainer Dermot Weld, who was visibly annoyed that the inquiry verdict went against the Aga Khan's runner-up.
"He said the winning rider apologised to him and if you watch Ryan Moore's left hand, he is edging the horse over. He knows exactly what he is doing. She's been carried halfway across the track and I thought Ryan could have done a better job of keeping his horse straight."
He added: "The stewards made the decision and I accept it, and so does his Highness. We're very disappointed but we'll move on now."
What was your big takeout from the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown?
What should not be lost in the fallout is just how good St Mark's Basilica is. The 2020 Dewhurst hero is now the holder of the French 2,000 Guineas and Derby crowns. He added the Eclipse in July, confirming his status as one of the most exciting colts to emerge from Ballydoyle during the current incumbent's reign.
O'Brien was non-committal about where he would go next, but it wouldn't be surprising if this was the last time we see him on the racecourse. There is a yawning Galileo-shaped hole to fill in Coolmore, and this son of Siyouni is exactly the sort of stallion prospect 'The Lads' have so desperately been seeking. He missed York due to injury, but recovered in time to produce another devastating performance here.
"He's just an exceptional horse," O'Brien said of the 5-6 favourite. "We're so lucky to have him, and it's to keep him safe now and have him to go off to stud, which is going to be very exciting for us all.
"He has all the Galileo strong qualities, in that he is genuine and his head goes down when you ask him to lengthen. And then he is getting the speed from Siyouni, who is by Pivotal, so he is a beautiful blend of speed and determination."
'All roads lead to Longchamp now'
Reflecting on the cat-and-mouse nature of the race, he added: "You knew turning in everyone was getting ready to pull the trigger. They were pulling back the arrow to let it fly, so it was going to be whoever had the most speed then."
Not for the first time, that proved to be St Mark's Basilica, who was trimmed from a general 3-1 to 2-1 for next month's Champion Stakes. It remains to be seen whether he will turn up there.
Here, though, he was brilliant once again, and his quality ensured Ger Lyons and Jessica Harrington were not the only ones to depart with winners. O'Brien's blushes hardly need saving, but, if you're going to win just one, trust him to plunder the one that matters most.
For Weld, that remains the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe. He was left to rue whether they might have been better off letting Tarnawa stride on here, but there will be another day.
"Hindsight is great, and we did consider letting her go on," he mused. "If Colin had it over, it's quite simple, he felt if we challenged on the inside he would have won.
"But with the Arc being my target all year, I didn't want to change what has been a winning formula, so that's why we rode her the way we did. All roads lead to Longchamp now."
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"Colin thought he'd get it," said the runner-up's trainer Dermot Weld, who was visibly annoyed that the inquiry verdict went against the Aga Khan's runner-up."He said the winning rider apologised to him and if you watch Ryan Moore's left hand, he is
all these pundits today telling us a horse travelling 60 yds across a track as its going forward doesnt lose any/little ground,does that mean the 10,000 commentaries/pundits in the past telling us a horse HAS THREW A RACE AWAY by drifting across track have been talking absolute shoite think coms/pundits are been far to generous to moore in their praise for executing a plan,avoiding poetic etc etc why would you want to give ground away to avoid getting involved with a fight with a horse people thought wouldnt stay,surely you,d want to drag a suspect stayer in to a street fight he may well have wanted to come down the middle but in the end the horse went where it wanted to go and moore had lost control of it imo but now the pundits have decided it was a brilliant pre planned tactical ride, i very much doubt it
all these pundits today telling us a horse travelling 60 yds across a track as its going forward doesnt lose any/little ground,does that mean the 10,000 commentaries/pundits in the past telling us a horse HAS THREW A RACE AWAY by drifting across tra
Try running past somebody who is running at an angle towards you........
I did not back Tarnawa but this is the final straw for me after 50 years following racing. Because they did not bump , all credit to the jockey on the second ,we do not switch the positions .
Try running past somebody who is running at an angle towards you........I did not back Tarnawa but this is the final straw for me after 50 years following racing.Because they did not bump , all credit to the jockey on the second ,we do not switch the
1st time poster 12 Sep 21 11:29 all these pundits today telling us a horse travelling 60 yds across a track as its going forward doesnt lose any/little ground
hope the people saying 60yds never have to estimate for a carpet.. #clowns
1st time poster 12 Sep 21 11:29 all these pundits today telling us a horse travelling 60 yds across a track as its going forward doesnt lose any/little groundhope the people saying 60yds never have to estimate for a carpet.. #clowns
No contact = no foul= no reversal = depends on which stewards are adjudicating e.g English or Irish e.g Goodwood v Leops? I can see why some thought there should have been a revised result,I backed Tarnawa btw.However I am dubious that without contact i.e solely Tarnawa being intimidated there were grounds to disqualify the winner.
Had Keane been able to keep a straight line I have no doubt he would have won,surprised nobody has mentioned the weights and ratings,imo makes Tarnawa the best horse in the race at a trip short of optimum,great trial for the Arc?
No contact = no foul= no reversal = depends on which stewards are adjudicating e.g English or Irish e.g Goodwood v Leops? I can see why some thought there should have been a revised result,I backed Tarnawa btw.However I am dubious that without contac
dancingbrave - no personal sleight intended, apologies...I'm prepared to believe the words/thoughts of an Irish Champion Trainer and Jockey over those of the Leopardstown stewards on saturday. if owner of Tarnawa appealed I'd bet odds on it would be successful. as below posters have said, that there was not a serious incident speaks volume for the self preservation inclinations of both Tarnawa and Colin Keane.
dancingbrave - no personal sleight intended, apologies...I'm prepared to believe the words/thoughts of an Irish Champion Trainer and Jockey over those of the Leopardstown stewards on saturday. if owner of Tarnawa appealed I'd bet odds on it would be
Nicely put by Chris Cook RP - crazy that bans for riding approaching 'dangerous' where the health of horses and jockeys is put at risk seems to be (in some quarters) less of an issue than 1 or 2 strikes of the whip above the mandated level (although of course that is a breach of the rules and should be punished according to the rules)
Evidently the stewards agree with me, as both winning jockeys were suspended for careless, five days for Foley and one for Moore. Are those penalties sufficient to focus the minds of those jockeys and make them think: 'I better not do that again'? Surely no one thinks so.
A Group 1 win in exchange for a five-day suspension is a tidy bargain for any jockey unless he's booked on the favourite for an even bigger Group 1 a fortnight later.
In Ireland and in Britain, we don't put anything like enough emphasis on jockeys keeping their horses straight in the closing stages and we are all losers by it. That includes the jockeys, who are as likely to lose out by interference as to profit by it and, along with the horses, are at risk of serious injury on the rare occasions that someone hits the deck.
From the perspective of this spectator, it is terribly unsatisfying to watch a finish like the Irish Champion Stakes. These top-class races are supposed to show which horse is best, not leave you wondering.
Nicely put by Chris Cook RP - crazy that bans for riding approaching 'dangerous' where the health of horses and jockeys is put at risk seems to be (in some quarters) less of an issue than 1 or 2 strikes of the whip above the mandated level (although