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Report swiftynifty September 13, 2021 1:20 PM BST
sagefrom, I agree. It was high quality stuff. But when they showed their Wimbledon girls clash from 3 years ago you can see why. Both fantsastic ball strikers.
Report sageform September 13, 2021 1:25 PM BST
ImSoLucky, they must have a laser system. There were no lines judges so the calls of out must be computer generated. Nobody questioned any calls, even the umpire.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 13, 2021 1:37 PM BST
Cheers
Wink
Report Ramruma September 13, 2021 1:58 PM BST
Aiui there was no point in challenging line calls because they only had Hawkeye which would simply confirm its own decision. There were no human line judges or alternative computer systems, so no-one to overrule Hawkeye.
Report Lee Ho Fooks September 13, 2021 2:02 PM BST
Which means it was the same judgements for both of them
Report 1st time poster September 13, 2021 2:05 PM BST
wierd thinking for a gambling forum if brighton beat man city in epl,then you beat brighton it makes you a better team than city.
not sure how fancied,seeded she was but emma was drawn to play last years semi finalist in 1st round proper who withdrew with injury so emma beat an alternate and so picked up the beatable opponents a beaten semi finalist would expect to beat/draw in early rounds
Report duncan idaho September 13, 2021 2:08 PM BST
I did find it odd that the only time she fell was when she was in trouble and she did manage to graze her knee...May have been nothing but these things seldom are.


Cry


the King of Bad Takes
Report sparrow September 13, 2021 2:18 PM BST
Laugh
Report A_T September 13, 2021 2:18 PM BST
What ever system Flushing Meadows uses needs to be rolled out everywhere.

should be but little chance at Wimbledon or Roland Garros
Report sageform September 13, 2021 2:20 PM BST
So she fell over and risked a more serious injury in order to get 2 minutes medical time out! She said in her interview (which I believe) that she really wanted to carry on in case it stiffened up but was not allowed to by the umpire. I have no idea what Fernandez was complaining about.
Report BARROWBOY September 13, 2021 3:54 PM BST
Fernandez has apparently apologised now saying she didn’t realise it was a blood injury.in terms of how the trainer/ injury situation is abused & used as a tactic by many players these days that particular incident was absolutely blameless.
Report Wesdag September 13, 2021 4:03 PM BST
Fitting that this thread is in the horse racing section as from some of the comments, it's clear that many know fcuk all about the sport.
Report TameTheTiger September 13, 2021 4:16 PM BST
She speaks better English than most of the English people that are questioning her nationality
Report Celtic warrior September 13, 2021 4:32 PM BST
love that tame.

overnight 18m aussies and 4m kiwis have become british citizens.
Report steerforth September 13, 2021 4:37 PM BST

Sep 13, 2021 -- 9:54AM, BARROWBOY wrote:


Fernandez has apparently apologised now saying she didn’t realise it was a blood injury.in terms of how the trainer/ injury situation is abused & used as a tactic by many players these days that particular incident was absolutely blameless.


Seems very odd that that couldn't be explained to her quicly to avert the quite protracted conversation. She was arguing for as long as it took to get the knee fixed up.

Report Wesdag September 13, 2021 4:49 PM BST
Probably designed to whip up the crowd v Emma.

Why would a player want to interrupt their service rhythm by feigning injury when break point down?

Crazy
Report 11kv September 13, 2021 4:56 PM BST
Portmanpark = left wing agitator .clueless and seething....
Report Wesdag September 13, 2021 5:08 PM BST
Those crabbing that Emma hasn't beaten any top seeds, then given she was 150 before the start obviously shows seeding isn't the be all & end all.

Very rarely in women's tennis will the no1 face the no2 in a slam final.

Only players on form go deep in slams, seeding is irrelevant.
Report 1st time poster September 13, 2021 5:46 PM BST
SEEDING IS IRRELEVANT absolute dogshoite

it gives you a pathway to final avoiding  the next best player and half the best players in the field, anyone beating a seed /top seed inherits that pathway,
its a gambling forum ,with people over reacting to her performances with her avoiding the top dozen players you may get an inflated  price for players ranked above her when they meet,
Report 11kv September 13, 2021 6:07 PM BST
Citizen of the world I like that.......Happy
Report Wesdag September 13, 2021 6:31 PM BST

Sep 13, 2021 -- 11:46AM, 1st time poster wrote:


SEEDING IS IRRELEVANT absolute dogshoiteit gives you a pathway to final avoiding

Report Wesdag September 13, 2021 6:33 PM BST
player ranked 150 wins - how come?

women players are notoriously flaky

*seedings not so relevant, it's form that counts
Report The Management September 13, 2021 6:47 PM BST
Have to agree with Wesdag to an extent - what she achieved (without even dropping a set) is truly amazing - but the ladies game (even at the highest level) is full of flakes, bottlers and the mentally fragile.
Report TameTheTiger September 13, 2021 6:53 PM BST
Will she be the wondergirl the papers are saying she is and go on to win many majors ? Or is it that she was in the right place at the right time, playing no one in the top 10, and facing an unseeded teenager in the final, and wont be seen again in the latter stages of a major  ?
Report sparrow September 13, 2021 6:57 PM BST
I expect most people on this thread will be highly delighted if she never wins another final. I think all players should have their family history checked before being allowed to play so as to satisfy the purists.
Report 11kv September 13, 2021 7:02 PM BST
Agreed Sparrow,but I think she does have something to enable her to go on and win more tournaments.

Each to their own but if I was born in a country be it Canada, Algeria,Spain Italy blah blah surely you would show some small allegiance to them and play for them on the world stage.I do not know her full history and do not want to but to me I cannot fathom it..........
Report The Management September 13, 2021 7:06 PM BST
The first thing is to stay injury-free and she seems to have had at least her fair share of injuries as a junior. In her own words she had no pressure, no expectations and nothing to lose these past 3 weeks - and that will never ever be the case again, she has got a lot of hype and expectation to live up to now.

Whoever took the 3.60 for Wimbledon 2022 is an optimist imo! Shocked
Report sparrow September 13, 2021 7:07 PM BST
I along with most other people cannot remember anything before I was 2 years of age so this girl who has only known this country as home should not have all this nonsense thrown at her. It shames this country that people can behave in such a manner towards a young person in this way.
Report maleuk01. September 13, 2021 7:09 PM BST
She came to England at 2 years old!

She doesnt know any other country!

Well done to her!

i watched it, she was awesome.

A new superstar.

18 years old,10 matches and not 1 set dropped. Incredible.
Report 11kv September 13, 2021 7:12 PM BST
Her mum and dad went to Canada though and they welcomed them with open arms I would guess, but with most world citizens they end up in the UK for some to me unknown reason.(The UK is finished in my eyes)

Perhaps you could shed some light on this and by the way I think she is a smashing player and a winner,I'm not knocking her for what she has achieved...
Report maleuk01. September 13, 2021 7:23 PM BST
that has nothing to do with Emma. mother Chinese,Dad Romanian.

She only knows the uk.

i agree if coming here at 15 or onwards.

She came here at 2 years old and is considers herself as English.

And rightly so!

Good luck to her.
Report Wesdag September 13, 2021 7:42 PM BST
Absolutely.
Report impossible123 September 13, 2021 7:48 PM BST
She understands and can identify the significance of "Sweet Caroline", not Rule Britannia. With the grounding and upbringing by her parents **** from Romania (depraved) and China (starved) hardwork and respect of others have been drummed into her; nothing comes easy, hard work is a necessity.

Unlike some of our locals whose parents were once immigrants, but still have yet to cotton onto these two qualities that differentiate between ethnic minorities.
Report 11kv September 13, 2021 10:25 PM BST
I'm off for a pint with Onlooker,this place is done.
Report Celtic warrior September 13, 2021 11:41 PM BST
Sadly this thread highlights the open wounds of brexit Britain

Citizen of nowhere v person of somewhere

Portman blame that on your labour or liberal gods who rejected and spat on my leave vote, treating me as noone.
Report Ramruma September 14, 2021 1:07 AM BST
@WESDAG re how come ER won off 150 (btw am I the last person to notice her initials are ER as in the Queen -- that's how British she is!! Except she is the Queen in Canada as well. Skip that.)

Anyway, remember she'd not be off 150 if she'd not had to drop out of Wimbledon with breathing difficulties. At the time it was put down to anxiety but imo at the US Open at times she seemed to be breathing rather heavily. Hope I'm wrong!

Anyway, ER really is good with a tennis bat, and lucky to be playing at a time after the Williams sisters' hegemony, and when Naomi Osaka, probably the most talented player around, has her own issues, so Emma really could go on to be the best in the world, although now she is a known quantity so all the other players and the coaches will be studying the videos to work out how best to play against her.
Report impossible123 September 14, 2021 6:55 AM BST
"Citizen of nowhere v person of somewhere"

The majority of anti-Brexit on this forum are probably non-British or UK domicile. Also, an "immigration" abuse by new EU membership citizen is certainly non-conducive for the development and enhancement of UK economy eg lesser and not highly uneducated/qualified EU citizens doing menial tasks or skivvy jobs.

A more selective and targeted approach/policies eg those employed in Australia and New Zealand will not only enhance their economies in the future it will most likely ensure a more harmonious and coherent society too.
Report sparrow September 14, 2021 8:11 AM BST
Celtic warrior 13 Sep 21 22:41 
Sadly this thread highlights the open wounds of brexit Britain

Citizen of nowhere v person of somewhere



Yes somewhere "over the rainbow" Laugh
Report sageform September 14, 2021 8:44 AM BST
Only a small minority of British people oppose migration per se. It is the relative numbers coming here compared to the resources they need that is causing friction. If we opened our borders to all, how many would come? 10 million, 100 million? We might ask how her parents came here but surely Emma herself should be welcomed as a breath of fresh air. A lot of nonsense will be written of course. For a start, how much of the £1.8 million will she actually get? After taxes, salaries for her help team etc. she will be lucky to get the million. Still not bad for an 18yo fresh out of school. She is not qualified for the end of season top 8 tournament so may not play a top ten player before Australia in January.
Report penzance September 14, 2021 11:26 AM BST
Fck knows what Brexit has to do with a young
girl winning a Grand Slam.
Report 1st time poster September 14, 2021 11:29 AM BST
she,s tipped to be  uk,s 1st billion pound sportsperson bet you FARAGE wished he could even dream of been able to afford to live next door to her, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report portmanpark September 14, 2021 11:36 AM BST
11kv...i have zero interest in politics....never voted once......but I dislike any form of racism or bullying......plenty of it on this forum
Report Hayden September 14, 2021 12:09 PM BST
Lots of opinions posted with some far more biased than others in more ways than one.

It's an undisputable fact that Raducanu had one of the most fortunate passages in grand slam history with an 11th seed the most difficult obstacle on paper.

Of course she has done fantastically well as you can , like horse racing you can only beat what's put in front of you.

The perspective needed though is to assess what she needs to do to consolidate all this praise and the answer for me is to hit the top 10 in the rankings.

If you're a top 10 ranking with a grand slam under your belt as well then you've dismissed any fluke claims and arrived as a proper tennis talent that required a lot more success than a 2 week tournament with an apparent fortunate passage along the way.

Of course she should hit the top 10 from what we've seen but let's drop this " dominating tennis " nonsense until that happens as an absolute minimum.
Report Celtic warrior September 14, 2021 12:17 PM BST
I have no interest in tennis but rather like the men few women DOMINATE:

serena
Ash barty..the best come on richmond tigers
Graf
Evert
Navratilova


Only 18 but not there yet girl!!

In fairness she has never said that though its these hysterical saddos in constant need of a 'British' sporting champion who are to blame
Report 1st time poster September 14, 2021 12:32 PM BST
heard her ex coach mark petchy say on tv she can improve her
serve 30%
forehand 30%
backhand slice 35%

overhead.volley around trhe net etx by over 60%
basically not realising he,s rubbishing a grand slam as he spoke,a young lady who can improve her game by 50% plus wins a slam without dropping a set
means if she doesnt do it again not only not miproved an inch but can backwards from 50%,
usually uk media  she,sw young she can only get better,best example michael owen argrentina rather than been a starting point it turned out to his pinnacle at international level,same with rory he,s got steadly worse as he,s got older
Report Celtic warrior September 14, 2021 12:35 PM BST
Dare I say it from a future betting point of view she will be bad value to back. Again nothing to do with her tennis ability
Report Wesdag September 14, 2021 12:50 PM BST
All this talk about her not having beaten a top 10 player really is farcical.

The current top 10 isn't packed with legends of the sport ffs.

The current 2,3 & 4 ranked players have been in 2 slam finals between them (Pliskova 2).

Bottom line is, Emma will be seriously competitive against anyone in the top 10 because basically, they're not a fantastic set of players.
Report handtorofe September 14, 2021 1:00 PM BST
What Emma achieved was incredible anybody expecting her to dominate tennis or win another grand slam soon is expecting much too much. if she gets into the top ten in the next year she will have done well. i enjoyed watching both players a breath of fresh air to watch great tennis from girls not built for power
Report 1st time poster September 14, 2021 1:27 PM BST
i enjoyed it and surprised by the level
but you can get a great game of tennis,looks good quality because the players are equally matched,someone else osaka etc might have blown both away,
time will tell
Report Wesdag September 14, 2021 1:38 PM BST
Osaka got beaten by Fernandez.
Report 1st time poster September 14, 2021 1:41 PM BST
OK
DIDNT LOOK at fernandez route through
cheers
Report 1st time poster September 14, 2021 1:43 PM BST
do the uk still have british championships imagine konte would like a go at emma ,or are things like that old hat
saw emma is now the british no 1,
wasnt there another uk lady did vewry well at wimb
Report stattman September 14, 2021 1:51 PM BST
She has even got a mattress named after her now Grin
Report impossible123 September 14, 2021 6:29 PM BST
I think winning the US Open does not automatically mean she's top of her class. However, repeating the same achievement at Wimbledon will go a very long way towards it though. But, 1st she'll need to be involved in semi-finals (at least) in the next few impending tournaments if she's to be considered a genuine star of the near future.

She's a breath of fresh air to British Tennis with her steeliness and determination she showed in the US Open.
Report Wesdag September 14, 2021 7:22 PM BST
I think she & everyone with any knowledge about the sport know that.
Report brigust1 September 15, 2021 9:49 AM BST
I see Tracy Austin won the US Open at age 16 beating Chris Evert in the final. If Emma matches anything like that, as far as opposition is concerned, she will be great.
Report Facts September 15, 2021 11:00 AM BST
handtorofe.

There was plenty of power in both their strokes
Report Facts September 15, 2021 11:07 AM BST
Wesdag 13 Sep 21 15:03 
Fitting that this thread is in the horse racing section as from some of the comments, it's clear that many know fcuk all about the sport.



Ironically many know fcuk all about horse racing too !Laugh
Report stewarty b September 15, 2021 11:47 AM BST
tbf she speaks fluent Mandarin which gives her a passport to millions from the the trillions.
Report handtorofe September 15, 2021 12:36 PM BST
facts i know both girls had great powerful ground strokes i was referring to their build especially Leyla
Report Ramruma September 15, 2021 12:46 PM BST
@stewarty b -- tbf she speaks fluent Mandarin which gives her a passport to millions from the the trillions.


Now it has been mentioned, we may as well have the links:-

Emma speaks Mandarin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq1xM87Rk7w

Emma knows at least two of the words to Sweet Caroline:
https://twitter.com/ESPNUK/status/1437038359575253003?s=20
Report Facts September 15, 2021 4:28 PM BST
handtorofe.



ok
Report Ramruma September 16, 2021 5:41 AM BST
Interesting article in the Telegraph about how ER played lots of different sports as a child, and that research has shown that kids who do this are more likely to make it to the very top than those who specialise early. Also a warning to parents not to be too controlling!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2021/09/15/rise-emma-raducanu-salutary-tale-pushy-parents-everywhere/
Report BARROWBOY September 16, 2021 2:16 PM BST
Is there something strange about her family?in an interview she said something about her efforts not usually good enough for her parents.,she didn’t exactly rush back to the uk after being in the us for quite a time & im sure they could have gone to the final despite COVID if they’d really wanted.in the welcome home photos this morning mother nowhere to be seen.
Report Wesdag September 16, 2021 2:26 PM BST
im sure they could have gone to the final despite COVID

curious to know how given that anyone in UK for last 14 days can't travel to US
Report Wesdag September 16, 2021 2:38 PM BST
Maybe you should alert social services.
Report sparrow September 16, 2021 2:39 PM BST
Laugh
Report 11kv September 16, 2021 7:24 PM BST
Could have gone via Canada
Report Wesdag September 16, 2021 7:48 PM BST
Yes, and they would've had to stay in Canada for 14 days before travelling to New York.
Report Wesdag September 16, 2021 7:49 PM BST
It is not possible for most British nationals to enter the USA if they have been in the UK, Ireland, Schengen zone, Iran, Brazil, China, South Africa or India within the previous 14 days.
Report swiftynifty September 16, 2021 7:55 PM BST
How do the jockeys get exemptions? Elite sportsmen?
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 17, 2021 12:23 PM BST
I see her father is a fx currency trader
Probably got an account on BF
LaughLaughLaugh
Report sparrow September 17, 2021 12:33 PM BST
What about her grandfather or maybe her uncle. I think we need to be told.
Report Celtic warrior September 17, 2021 4:44 PM BST
Lucky, that makes sense. London is the world centre for fx trading. It sounds more important a job than it really is in reality. I trade all my companies fx on-line now. Its just like betfair really!beware those fat fingers.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 17, 2021 6:08 PM BST
Just read the DMAIL saying the mother is also a trader
REALLY
Cor blimely

DevilLaughWink
Report Ramruma September 17, 2021 6:22 PM BST
That will come in handy as her $2.5 million prize money will need to be changed into pounds before she can spend it.

45% income tax and a fair chunk to her entourage (coach, physio and whoever else she hugged after the win) won't leave her as much as you'd think. You can see why so many top athletes go broke after they retire.
Report geoff m September 17, 2021 6:40 PM BST
Ram: The $2.5 million is a drop in the ocean to what she will earn off the court.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 17, 2021 6:42 PM BST
After shes put sum into Bitcoin
Put the rest in
SOFI

DevilGrinWink
Report Wesdag September 17, 2021 6:42 PM BST
You're right Ram.
I'd rather stay skint than pay few a flunkies helped me earn $2.5m & pay 45% tax.
Crazy
Report Wesdag September 17, 2021 6:42 PM BST
*pay a few
Report Wesdag September 17, 2021 6:43 PM BST
Not sure Ram is familiar with marketing.
Report Ramruma September 17, 2021 7:44 PM BST
Yeah she will make a fortune from sponsors and adverts, here, in America and in China since she speaks the lingo.

But it was a joke based on her parents being fx (foreign exchange) traders, as had just been reported in this thread.

And then I was just struck that everyone (papers etc) is throwing around the £1.8M figure but somewhere down the line she will only get less than half. Lots of sports people end up skint because they take the net figure, start spending, and then don't have enough left for the tax bill. Though if I'd left that out, maybe the joke would have been more obvious.
Report Wesdag September 17, 2021 7:51 PM BST
Yeah, must be terrible she'll only end up with half.

Should've stayed at home & played on Betfair instead - far more lucrative & sensible.
Report ballyregan September 17, 2021 7:53 PM BST
wesdag she would not be allowed to play on betfair properly she is under 25 so she would have a 500 a month affordability limit applied
Report 11kv September 18, 2021 2:18 PM BST
Blocked in Canada anyway.
Report Ramruma September 18, 2021 2:36 PM BST
We know ER speaks English, Canadian and Chinese. Can she speak Romanian?
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 18, 2021 2:38 PM BST
Canadian Cheese Wiz
DevilGrinLaugh
Report 11kv September 18, 2021 5:12 PM BST
Laugh
Report Celtic warrior September 18, 2021 7:28 PM BST
I would guess she can speak romanian as her dad does. That adds £2.49 to her marketability
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 19, 2021 5:03 PM BST
Her LBD will be
CHANEL
no 5
Laugh
Report Ramruma September 22, 2021 6:29 AM BST
From the Telegraph's report of the Tiffany deal:-

Raducanu’s only two existing endorsement deals are with sporting brands and are set to be eclipsed, quickly. Raducanu is signed to one-year rolling contracts with Nike and racket supplier Wilson, worth “only” £100,000-a-year when combined. After the status elevation from Tiffany & Co., these are expected to swiftly be replaced by rival brands or renewed for at least 10 times their previous value.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/girl-diamond-earrings-emma-raducanus-deal-tiffany-means/

As an aside, it looks like the battle for raquet vs racket has been lost.
Report 11kv September 22, 2021 4:40 PM BST
Could be a pin up girl for BC Hydro or Tim Horton coffee shops....
Report Ramruma September 22, 2021 5:44 PM BST
Oh do keep up. Emma beat the Canadian who lives in Florida in the final. Of course, now it turns out Emma's Chinese.
Report Wesdag September 22, 2021 5:54 PM BST
Emma OCD case.
Report 11kv September 22, 2021 7:28 PM BST
Molson.
Report doantwin2easy September 22, 2021 11:10 PM BST
Is there something strange about her family?in an interview she said something about her efforts not usually good enough for her parents.,she didn’t exactly rush back to the uk after being in the us for quite a time & im sure they could have gone to the final despite COVID if they’d really wanted.in the welcome home photos this morning mother nowhere to be seen.

There could be a variety of reasons why the parents were a no show. One thing is probably true - that those parents who don't molycuddle and reward their kids too easily, generally instil a determination in their offspring to do better. Whether this helps them become settled, rounded people in later life, is open to question. Having said that, ER seemed like a very sweet, happy little 11 year old when interviewed as an u12 UK national finalist.

Agassi hated the game as a kid but did it cos his dad pushed him and was determined to live up to expectations. Roddick's dad was a disciplinarian of military standard. ER has that steeliness that is very rare. She talks about executing and understands that winning is a mentality - she has self belief in abundance and thrives under pressure (despite her wobble at Wimbledon). We haven't see the likes of her in the woman's game in most of our lifetimes. Anyone who thinks she is a flash in the pan, like a lot of the others we've had in GB, is mistaken. She really is that good and the level of the final was very high... not to drop a set in qualifying or in the main draw is good going. The main danger to her is embracing the celebrity lifestyle.

She might not fulfil her potential immediately. Sampras won very little for a while after winning the US open at 19 and she'll have a target on her back. But she'll follow in the footsteps of Seles and Hingis as young slam champions. Little doubt for me.
Report olddesperado September 25, 2021 6:41 AM BST
Sacked her coach apparently.
Report Ramruma September 25, 2021 11:50 AM BST
She changes coaches more often than she changes socks. The guy who has just been sacked replaced the coach she had at Wimbledon. Nothing to see here.

Aiui, she hires a coach based on what specific part of her game she feels needs improvement, then moves on to the next one. The danger is, I suppose, that the very top coaches might prefer something more permanent.
Report swiftynifty September 25, 2021 11:53 AM BST
Who is making these decisions for her, a manager, LTA or her parents?
Report The Management September 25, 2021 12:04 PM BST
"Sacked her coach" is a bit harsh - Andy Richardson was only ever there on a week to week type basis and was essentially just a "chaperone" and friendly face from her past while she was in the States. Pretty sure they would also have ended that temporary arrangement if she had lost in the first round of qualifying.
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