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01 Aug 21 10:16
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I have quite a few books.
Sporting Life flat results dating from 1984, the odd Raceform, Chaseform, a few biographies and bits and pieces.
Is it worth the bother of eBay or should they go for pulp?
Or they could go to a good home for the price of the postage and a few beers.
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Report scrabbler August 1, 2021 11:34 AM BST
You could consider contacting a specialist dealer like Browzers or an auction site like Graham Budd. Of course, you might find that neither are interested in what you have got.
Report RacingCert August 1, 2021 11:42 AM BST
Thanks, Scrabbler.
Report TheAnorak August 1, 2021 11:54 AM BST
Another site that sells plenty of Raceform material -
Report RacingCert August 1, 2021 12:43 PM BST
Cheers, Anorak.
Report FatPunt August 1, 2021 1:14 PM BST
Do you have Horse Trader or Mordin On Time?
Report raspberrybottom August 1, 2021 1:24 PM BST
Ebay is still pretty good, although they charge (12.8% + 30p)

You can put a reserve price on your auction though and charge postage.

You might be surprised at what you get!
Report The Management August 1, 2021 1:31 PM BST
When Mordin passes to the big parade ring in the sky, will his book become known as:

The Late Mordin On Time?
Report Brian August 1, 2021 1:58 PM BST
I decided to get rid of most of my sporting books some time ago. Sold some of the oldest racing ones (early 1950s) on E-bay but didn't get much for them but hopefully they went to someone who enjoyed them as I had. The majority I just give away just keeping a few I thought I might read again though never have!
Report onlooker August 1, 2021 2:06 PM BST
Plenty for sale on ebay..

Raceform etc - £3,£4,£5 dependent on condition and YEAR

Sporting Life Results books - £0

Biographies = 'Ten a Penny'

Bits and Pieces = ZERO ... unless you have some hidden gem that you are aware of ... although, with respect, it does not sound like it.
Report i_agree_with_nick August 1, 2021 2:25 PM BST
If you have any on the subject of breeding, they could be quite valuable.
Report whodareswins August 1, 2021 2:38 PM BST
Very much depends on what you have.  Part year from books from the 1980s are likely to be pulp.  If an annual will be worth a few pounds dependent on condition.  RE & GB Way of Newmarket will let you know of the books worth and will buy if the right price.
Report workrider August 1, 2021 2:48 PM BST
Dropped a load down to our local Collage yesterday , they are having a sale for charity so thought to myself I'd let them have them hopefully someone enjoys them...
Report slickster August 1, 2021 3:47 PM BST
How convenient. A thread is started about racing books and hey presto wonky gave away loads yesterday. I mean, what are the chances? More attention seeking from the wonk.
Report workrider August 1, 2021 3:50 PM BST
Whats that you were saying about me following you around,get a life kiddo..
Report themightymac August 1, 2021 4:11 PM BST
I had 16 Timeform annuals in excellent condition. None of them the valuable ones. I offered them free to forum readers but nobody took up the offer. Put them in a local charity shop. Went back next month and lady said she sold them all which was good but seemingly they were bought by a woman for £2 each who cut them all up for Arts and Crafts Cry
Report Facts August 1, 2021 5:09 PM BST
Sacrilege Shocked
Report RacingCert August 1, 2021 5:13 PM BST
Yes, I do have Mordin on Time.

Perhaps the more interesting books would be:
Programming for Betfair.
Sprint Handicapping Explained - Jim Adams
Theme on a Pipe Dream - F H Sasse (a formula for buying breeding a Derby winner)
Sporting Life Grand National Souvenir Magazine 1988
and actually I think i’ll keep it because it’s a beautiful bookmark
John Ireland’s Racing Characters which is a coffee table book of caricatures.

Any thoughts on the above?
Report onlooker August 1, 2021 5:26 PM BST
Most racing books are much of a muchness

The Market is fairly thin - even more so since the current breed of punters have grown up knowing only the Internet - and would not know which way up to hold a proper Form Book... and even them more elderly  have been pushed into Digital rather than Print.

I have Boxes and boxes of books - Many Duplicates - Many rare .... Yet I hate to think that they will probably just go to waste, or be bought for peanuts, when I pass on.

Your F H Sasse book might be interesting in seen in the right quarters - But like Tessio's famous book on Breeding a Derby Winner - will be ancient history now - as with breeding techniques and patterns changing - along with Coolmore/Ballydoyle adopting team--chasing tactics in the Derby ... such books are noe irrelevant and, sadly, obsolete.

The caricatures coffee table book - would simply be 'in the eye of the beholder' - some may be smitten by it - others think it an ugly irrelevance.
Report RacingCert August 1, 2021 5:40 PM BST
Thank you, Onlooker, I think.
Beautifully put.
Report bluebook August 1, 2021 7:06 PM BST
Let my copy of Mordin On Time go to house clearance, with a load of other books, when forced to move in fairly short order from where I was living.

Mind you, not sure I would've got much for it, as it was looking pretty grubby. Used to try to keep my own speed figures following his methods, so the pages were loose and yellowed.

Happy days crunching out the previous week's figures form the pull-out section of the Weekender. Notable winners on my figs included Sartorial I at 25/1, and Sauce Tartar at 8/1, both from the 2000 season.

Eventually gave up, as the time and effort involved in getting a set of figures you could trust I found could be more profitably spent elsewhere.

Not sure his methods would be of much use these days, but his writings were an absolute godsend back in the 90s when there was so little available on UK racing, other than the usual bios of top National Hunt legends.
Report bluebook August 1, 2021 7:14 PM BST
Also made a living for years selling books online.

Abe Books is ok, but you need a passport now as proof of id, residency, etc, for VAT purposes. My passport ran out years ago, and I've never bothered to renew it, so moved on to eBay and Amazon. Similar deal with Amazon, so ended up selling exclusively on eBay. Made good money at first, but by the end ( around 2015 ), was getting silly prices for books of some value. Taking their charges into account, probably not worth bothering with them unless you know you have a real rarity.

Rather sad state of affairs, but even most of the charity bags that pop through the letter box refuse to take books these days. Sad
Report bluebook August 1, 2021 7:16 PM BST
Shouldn't neglect to mention the valuable contribution that The Anorak made to educating us newbies back in the late 90s/early noughties too. Happy
Report RacingCert August 1, 2021 8:26 PM BST
Cheers, Bluebook.
My passport expired a way back too.
Report bluebook August 1, 2021 8:48 PM BST
Hoping to get an Irish one soon, so I can travel freely around the EU. Dad's mother was Irish.
Report workrider August 1, 2021 10:29 PM BST
Ah bluebook I knew you had some good in you..Laugh
Report bluebook August 2, 2021 8:45 AM BST
Applications taking up to around six months at the mo'. Sad

Also need to source various documents of my father's and his mother's to prove I have a dash of emerald blood coursing through my veins ( absolutely no question about the Guinness...). Will require liaising with the Irish embassy here, I think. Started to look into it just before Brexit 2020, but Covid put the mockers on the process.
Report Gordon63 August 2, 2021 10:15 AM BST
bluebook - I'm hoping to have a Scottish passport in couple of years!  however once you're in an EU country, the chances of getting stopped for a passport check to gain entry to another EU country are slim to nil, so moving freely around EU is in vast majority of cases simply a matter of gaining entry at the first - unless of course you've paid an OCG to move you from one side of the continent to the other, avoiding all forms of detection, so you can have the privilege of being picked up by the RNLI whilst floundering at sea, in which case you don't need a passport of any colour, indeed better to not have any form of ID at all
Report Celtic warrior August 2, 2021 11:41 AM BST
Bluebook. I still have mordin on time and do my speed ratings based exactly on his method. One of the best betting books ever
Report bluebook August 2, 2021 9:51 PM BST
That's interesting to hear.

Do you calculate your own set of standard times, or do you use somebody else's ?
Report bluebook August 2, 2021 9:54 PM BST

Though English born and bred, the blood is pretty much Scots/Irish - Scots from my mum's side ( she was a McCombie ), Irish from my dad's side.

Might explain why I've always felt a bit like a fish out of water here !
Report know all August 3, 2021 9:00 AM BST
i used to do times seriously but every day moving rails by they say 10 or 20m for different races is pure guessing by the person who guesses it and times have become quite obsolete imo compared to years ago when no rail was moved
Report Celtic warrior August 3, 2021 10:24 AM BST
Bluebook. I do my own standards. But based on his methodology. Take all the older handicaps and adjust for class. Noted then that my ratings for longer distances came out to high so then adjusted the standards. They work. I can share all spreadsheets. Just message me
Report Celtic warrior August 3, 2021 10:25 AM BST
Know all. I use the projection method which means that if rails are moved it makes little difference to ratings
Report Celtic warrior August 3, 2021 10:26 AM BST
Todays speed rating nap is rhubarb bikini. Chelmsford 2.00
Report Gordon63 August 3, 2021 11:27 AM BST
an 11-1 shot with the infamous rab up!! christ it'll need speed to burn to win!!

seriously each of us will have their own methods and I've watched the andy holding videos (and several other time followers) and I have neither the time, nor inclination nor at the end of the day, the belief, that there is any significant 'edge'.  andy holding tips on oddschecker were (are) well in profit so he's doing what works for him (and those who follow him in) but percentage finishing speeds, time from 3f to 2f, etc etc IMO only give context, the variation in tracks, racing surfaces, jockeyship, competition, distances, track bias (and others) are important factors which can't be overcome by 'speed'.  but I'll be watching rab with interest!!

on a related note, what was the name of the mark johnston horse which initiated the infamous willoughby orgasm on stride pattern? i don't think it won again? but for me another measure which has very little influence on which horse wins any particular race
Report Celtic warrior August 3, 2021 11:48 AM BST
Gordon. I only do ratings for the all weather tracks. Only takes about an hour each week to maintain the ratings. Have a five year database now. It kept me from losing my head last year.

Each to their own betting wise I say.
Report MythWA August 3, 2021 11:49 AM BST
I had the most comprehensive collection of form books etc I wanted to give them away free tried every platform -no takers. Ended up at the tip.
Report bluebook August 3, 2021 11:55 AM BST

I've napped it in today's tipping comp'. Let's hope you're right !

I note it also has the best TS fig' of 74, not that I usually take any notice of them.

I liked it as a CD winner, dropping in class off a career low mark.

And thanks Cw for offering to share your spreadsheets.
Report Gordon63 August 3, 2021 12:18 PM BST
Celtic, yeah that makes sense a much reduced dataset - I'm no fan of AW particularly in summer months (I think it should be banned!) however from afar it seems that Newcastle is the 'fairest' course and apart from the odd day at Chelmsford with much increased prize money, also the highest 'quality', is that supported by your figures?
Report Gordon63 August 3, 2021 12:34 PM BST
my value bet today - beltane in the 1.00 Catterick, fav very short and watson stable not in same form as past 2 years, I couldn't recommend ew at 4-1 so small win on machine at 6-1
Report The Sawyer August 3, 2021 2:03 PM BST
Celtic - what a player you are - vwd
Report Gordon63 August 3, 2021 2:03 PM BST
see these speed figures - fantastic!! lol
Report Celtic warrior August 3, 2021 2:08 PM BST
All my speed figures tie up. I.e they increase as you go up by rave class. Broadly equivalent across course and distance. So they tally up logic wise.

For what its worth rhubarb was 114 from Chelmsford 2nd April.
Next best 110

Worth  a dabble at the price
Report Macintoshmatty August 3, 2021 2:56 PM BST
well done Celtic, good pick, justifies the hard work
Report TheAnorak August 3, 2021 2:57 PM BST

The MJ juvenile that caused the Willoughby meltdown was called Visinari. Mind you, Willoughby wasn't alone - the influential and highly regarded speed figure guru on here, variously known as Bigmart, or Burkey, told everyone it was the best 2yo MJ had ever trained.

That debut win was, imo, influencd by the golden highway along the stands rail on the July course.
Report GLASGOWCALLING August 3, 2021 3:14 PM BST
Good Call Celtic. Happy
Report Gordon63 August 3, 2021 3:22 PM BST
The Anorak, cheers, just checked and yes no wins since, last run november 2020 10th of 10 at Chelmsford, I still recall the RTV piece when Willoughby was absolutely bouncing!! it was his ratner moment I think!! hardly seen for bigmart, I've asked around many of the salubrious, decadent, high end places he reportedly frequented but no hide nor hair, probably took a covid break on his private caribbean island and watched his pension pot reach even dizzier heights..he may return (now Scotland in Level 0) to surprise the folks of Leith or Gorgie with an audience, fingers crossed...
Report bluebook August 3, 2021 5:02 PM BST
Just got back in from a funeral and mood lifted appreciably when I saw RB had gone in !

Well done Cw. Happy
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