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RacingCert
01 Aug 21 10:16
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I have quite a few books.
Sporting Life flat results dating from 1984, the odd Raceform, Chaseform, a few biographies and bits and pieces.
Is it worth the bother of eBay or should they go for pulp?
Or they could go to a good home for the price of the postage and a few beers.
Thanks.

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By:
scrabbler
When: 01 Aug 21 10:34
You could consider contacting a specialist dealer like Browzers or an auction site like Graham Budd. Of course, you might find that neither are interested in what you have got.
By:
RacingCert
When: 01 Aug 21 10:42
Thanks, Scrabbler.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 01 Aug 21 10:54
Another site that sells plenty of Raceform material - abebooks.co.uk
By:
RacingCert
When: 01 Aug 21 11:43
Cheers, Anorak.
By:
FatPunt
When: 01 Aug 21 12:14
Do you have Horse Trader or Mordin On Time?
By:
raspberrybottom
When: 01 Aug 21 12:24
Ebay is still pretty good, although they charge (12.8% + 30p)

You can put a reserve price on your auction though and charge postage.

You might be surprised at what you get!
By:
The Management
When: 01 Aug 21 12:31
When Mordin passes to the big parade ring in the sky, will his book become known as:

The Late Mordin On Time?
By:
Brian
When: 01 Aug 21 12:58
I decided to get rid of most of my sporting books some time ago. Sold some of the oldest racing ones (early 1950s) on E-bay but didn't get much for them but hopefully they went to someone who enjoyed them as I had. The majority I just give away just keeping a few I thought I might read again though never have!
By:
onlooker
When: 01 Aug 21 13:06
Plenty for sale on ebay..

Raceform etc - £3,£4,£5 dependent on condition and YEAR

Sporting Life Results books - £0

Biographies = 'Ten a Penny'

Bits and Pieces = ZERO ... unless you have some hidden gem that you are aware of ... although, with respect, it does not sound like it.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 01 Aug 21 13:25
If you have any on the subject of breeding, they could be quite valuable.
By:
whodareswins
When: 01 Aug 21 13:38
Very much depends on what you have.  Part year from books from the 1980s are likely to be pulp.  If an annual will be worth a few pounds dependent on condition.  RE & GB Way of Newmarket will let you know of the books worth and will buy if the right price.
By:
workrider
When: 01 Aug 21 13:48
Dropped a load down to our local Collage yesterday , they are having a sale for charity so thought to myself I'd let them have them hopefully someone enjoys them...
By:
slickster
When: 01 Aug 21 14:47
How convenient. A thread is started about racing books and hey presto wonky gave away loads yesterday. I mean, what are the chances? More attention seeking from the wonk.
By:
workrider
When: 01 Aug 21 14:50
Whats that you were saying about me following you around,get a life kiddo..
By:
themightymac
When: 01 Aug 21 15:11
I had 16 Timeform annuals in excellent condition. None of them the valuable ones. I offered them free to forum readers but nobody took up the offer. Put them in a local charity shop. Went back next month and lady said she sold them all which was good but seemingly they were bought by a woman for £2 each who cut them all up for Arts and Crafts Cry
By:
Facts
When: 01 Aug 21 16:09
Sacrilege Shocked
By:
RacingCert
When: 01 Aug 21 16:13
Yes, I do have Mordin on Time.

Perhaps the more interesting books would be:
Programming for Betfair.
Sprint Handicapping Explained - Jim Adams
Theme on a Pipe Dream - F H Sasse (a formula for buying breeding a Derby winner)
Sporting Life Grand National Souvenir Magazine 1988
and actually I think i’ll keep it because it’s a beautiful bookmark
John Ireland’s Racing Characters which is a coffee table book of caricatures.

Any thoughts on the above?
By:
onlooker
When: 01 Aug 21 16:26
Most racing books are much of a muchness

The Market is fairly thin - even more so since the current breed of punters have grown up knowing only the Internet - and would not know which way up to hold a proper Form Book... and even them more elderly  have been pushed into Digital rather than Print.

I have Boxes and boxes of books - Many Duplicates - Many rare .... Yet I hate to think that they will probably just go to waste, or be bought for peanuts, when I pass on.
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Your F H Sasse book might be interesting in seen in the right quarters - But like Tessio's famous book on Breeding a Derby Winner - will be ancient history now - as with breeding techniques and patterns changing - along with Coolmore/Ballydoyle adopting team--chasing tactics in the Derby ... such books are noe irrelevant and, sadly, obsolete.

The caricatures coffee table book - would simply be 'in the eye of the beholder' - some may be smitten by it - others think it an ugly irrelevance.
By:
RacingCert
When: 01 Aug 21 16:40
Thank you, Onlooker, I think.
Beautifully put.
By:
bluebook
When: 01 Aug 21 18:06
Let my copy of Mordin On Time go to house clearance, with a load of other books, when forced to move in fairly short order from where I was living.

Mind you, not sure I would've got much for it, as it was looking pretty grubby. Used to try to keep my own speed figures following his methods, so the pages were loose and yellowed.

Happy days crunching out the previous week's figures form the pull-out section of the Weekender. Notable winners on my figs included Sartorial I at 25/1, and Sauce Tartar at 8/1, both from the 2000 season.

Eventually gave up, as the time and effort involved in getting a set of figures you could trust I found could be more profitably spent elsewhere.

Not sure his methods would be of much use these days, but his writings were an absolute godsend back in the 90s when there was so little available on UK racing, other than the usual bios of top National Hunt legends.
By:
bluebook
When: 01 Aug 21 18:14
Also made a living for years selling books online.

Abe Books is ok, but you need a passport now as proof of id, residency, etc, for VAT purposes. My passport ran out years ago, and I've never bothered to renew it, so moved on to eBay and Amazon. Similar deal with Amazon, so ended up selling exclusively on eBay. Made good money at first, but by the end ( around 2015 ), was getting silly prices for books of some value. Taking their charges into account, probably not worth bothering with them unless you know you have a real rarity.

Rather sad state of affairs, but even most of the charity bags that pop through the letter box refuse to take books these days. Sad
By:
bluebook
When: 01 Aug 21 18:16
Shouldn't neglect to mention the valuable contribution that The Anorak made to educating us newbies back in the late 90s/early noughties too. Happy
By:
RacingCert
When: 01 Aug 21 19:26
Cheers, Bluebook.
My passport expired a way back too.
By:
bluebook
When: 01 Aug 21 19:48
Hoping to get an Irish one soon, so I can travel freely around the EU. Dad's mother was Irish.
By:
workrider
When: 01 Aug 21 21:29
Ah bluebook I knew you had some good in you..Laugh
By:
bluebook
When: 02 Aug 21 07:45
Applications taking up to around six months at the mo'. Sad

Also need to source various documents of my father's and his mother's to prove I have a dash of emerald blood coursing through my veins ( absolutely no question about the Guinness...). Will require liaising with the Irish embassy here, I think. Started to look into it just before Brexit 2020, but Covid put the mockers on the process.
By:
Gordon63
When: 02 Aug 21 09:15
bluebook - I'm hoping to have a Scottish passport in couple of years!  however once you're in an EU country, the chances of getting stopped for a passport check to gain entry to another EU country are slim to nil, so moving freely around EU is in vast majority of cases simply a matter of gaining entry at the first - unless of course you've paid an OCG to move you from one side of the continent to the other, avoiding all forms of detection, so you can have the privilege of being picked up by the RNLI whilst floundering at sea, in which case you don't need a passport of any colour, indeed better to not have any form of ID at all
By:
Celtic warrior
When: 02 Aug 21 10:41
Bluebook. I still have mordin on time and do my speed ratings based exactly on his method. One of the best betting books ever
By:
bluebook
When: 02 Aug 21 20:51
That's interesting to hear.

Do you calculate your own set of standard times, or do you use somebody else's ?
By:
bluebook
When: 02 Aug 21 20:54
Gordon63.

Though English born and bred, the blood is pretty much Scots/Irish - Scots from my mum's side ( she was a McCombie ), Irish from my dad's side.

Might explain why I've always felt a bit like a fish out of water here !
By:
know all
When: 03 Aug 21 08:00
i used to do times seriously but every day moving rails by they say 10 or 20m for different races is pure guessing by the person who guesses it and times have become quite obsolete imo compared to years ago when no rail was moved
By:
Celtic warrior
When: 03 Aug 21 09:24
Bluebook. I do my own standards. But based on his methodology. Take all the older handicaps and adjust for class. Noted then that my ratings for longer distances came out to high so then adjusted the standards. They work. I can share all spreadsheets. Just message me
By:
Celtic warrior
When: 03 Aug 21 09:25
Know all. I use the projection method which means that if rails are moved it makes little difference to ratings
By:
Celtic warrior
When: 03 Aug 21 09:26
Todays speed rating nap is rhubarb bikini. Chelmsford 2.00
By:
Gordon63
When: 03 Aug 21 10:27
an 11-1 shot with the infamous rab up!! christ it'll need speed to burn to win!!

seriously each of us will have their own methods and I've watched the andy holding videos (and several other time followers) and I have neither the time, nor inclination nor at the end of the day, the belief, that there is any significant 'edge'.  andy holding tips on oddschecker were (are) well in profit so he's doing what works for him (and those who follow him in) but percentage finishing speeds, time from 3f to 2f, etc etc IMO only give context, the variation in tracks, racing surfaces, jockeyship, competition, distances, track bias (and others) are important factors which can't be overcome by 'speed'.  but I'll be watching rab with interest!!

on a related note, what was the name of the mark johnston horse which initiated the infamous willoughby orgasm on stride pattern? i don't think it won again? but for me another measure which has very little influence on which horse wins any particular race
By:
Celtic warrior
When: 03 Aug 21 10:48
Gordon. I only do ratings for the all weather tracks. Only takes about an hour each week to maintain the ratings. Have a five year database now. It kept me from losing my head last year.

Each to their own betting wise I say.
By:
MythWA
When: 03 Aug 21 10:49
I had the most comprehensive collection of form books etc I wanted to give them away free tried every platform -no takers. Ended up at the tip.
By:
bluebook
When: 03 Aug 21 10:55
RHUBARB BIKINI !!

I've napped it in today's tipping comp'. Let's hope you're right !

I note it also has the best TS fig' of 74, not that I usually take any notice of them.

I liked it as a CD winner, dropping in class off a career low mark.

And thanks Cw for offering to share your spreadsheets.
By:
Gordon63
When: 03 Aug 21 11:18
Celtic, yeah that makes sense a much reduced dataset - I'm no fan of AW particularly in summer months (I think it should be banned!) however from afar it seems that Newcastle is the 'fairest' course and apart from the odd day at Chelmsford with much increased prize money, also the highest 'quality', is that supported by your figures?
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